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Posted: 5/7/2018 9:41:35 PM EDT

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No wonder take the guns first, due process second is sweeping the nation. It's a time-honored tradition - whatever it takes to meet goals. Fuck the law when it becomes a hinderance to meeting objectives.

BTW - how'd he do eradicating that communism? Seems to have spread like napalm fire on an oil field since. Where does the credibility come from?

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So, you're saying that circumventing a leftist Congress controlled by dimocRats sympathetic to the USSR in order to contain and eradicate communism on the southern border of mexico is high treason?

Do I understand you correctly?

If so, I can't fucking believe what I just read.

No wonder take the guns first, due process second is sweeping the nation. It's a time-honored tradition - whatever it takes to meet goals. Fuck the law when it becomes a hinderance to meeting objectives.

BTW - how'd he do eradicating that communism? Seems to have spread like napalm fire on an oil field since. Where does the credibility come from?

Good thing the American Revolution was before your time; you really would have stroked the fuck out.

Posted: 5/7/2018 9:50:40 PM EDT

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What did he get in trouble for back in the 90's, my memory is failing me?

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Sellin' guns to bad guys! Oh, and cocaine too.

Posted: 5/7/2018 9:54:33 PM EDT

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North's convictions were vacated and reversed.

All charges against him were dropped in 1991.

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A former convicted felon? Really?

North's convictions were vacated and reversed.

All charges against him were dropped in 1991.

They really didn't want it known how deep the flow of cocaine really flows thru D.C.

Quite frankly, I am still on the wall with ol' Oly. I'd like to believe he is honorable and doing
what he thought was right but I can't get around believing he is just another DC Swamp Monster.

What do you think?

Posted: 5/7/2018 9:56:22 PM EDT

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Guns for drugs!

This is gonna be kind of like Operation Fast and Furious except it's going to include cocaine too!

Posted: 5/7/2018 10:07:59 PM EDT

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*TOW ATGMS and HAWK missiles were hardly cutting edge in 1988. You know who deployed a HAWK battery a few years later during Desert Shield? The Germans. In Turkey (before they mutinied, that is). That's it. The HAWK missile system was so current at the time, the US deployed Patriot SAMs to SWA and Israel instead. Trust me when I say the Israelis weren't in any danger. ETA: And I never saw a HAWK battery anywhere over there.

*The TOW missile system that was LOS only was made obsolescent by TOW2B, which could defeat armor with reactive tiles. I have seen no information that indicates we sold the Iranians the more advanced version. Regardless, I don't care. Israel wasn't going to be defeated by the Iranians with 2,500 more TOW missiles on a second front while they simultaneously fought Saddam's Iraqi Army.

*No, you're simple. Period. If you can't see that the NRA is the national-level organization that UK and Australian gun owners wished they had to lobby on their behalf before their guns were outlawed and confiscated, then it's you who is truly gullible. Nobody said the NRA was perfect, or that it didn't need fresh management, but I haven't seen any new AWBs leave committee, either. Maybe you can point out an example to me. Go ahead. Change my mind, oh Enlightened One.

*I'm sorry you're jealous of WLP's compensation. Personally I don't care as long as I'm seeing a good faith effort on their part to put pressure on Congress to NOT let new gun control bills out of committee for a vote on the floors of either chamber. I guess class envy is a thing here in GD, though.

During her campaign, Killery named the NRA her #1 political enemy. Enough said.

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Keep mking excuses, they sold you the fuck out.

You haven’t because the R’s own congress and the executive.

Posted: 5/7/2018 10:10:40 PM EDT

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That's not how this works.

After he sends the guns, then we send the money.

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quick, lets all send them money to show how happy we are with this idea.

That's not how this works.

After he sends the guns, then we send the money.

But who gets the cocaine?

Posted: 5/7/2018 10:19:49 PM EDT

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shoulda been US Senator.

Posted: 5/7/2018 10:27:48 PM EDT

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What did he get in trouble for back in the 90's, my memory is failing me?

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Illegal gun running.

This is very possibly a step in the wrong direction, but ... at this point ... I'm just along for the wild ride until I die.

Posted: 5/7/2018 10:36:18 PM EDT

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The fucking NRA has more titles than the New England Patriots and the Alabama Crimson Tide put together.

Posted: 5/7/2018 11:21:41 PM EDT

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Wayne must go

Posted: 5/7/2018 11:25:38 PM EDT

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Nothing, conviction was reversed and charges dismissed.

Posted: 5/8/2018 12:35:26 AM EDT

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Why don't you go look up what Mattis has to say about the military setting its own political goals?

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Posted: 5/8/2018 1:05:10 AM EDT

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Why don't you go look up what Mattis has to say about the military setting its own political goals?

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Good thing the American Revolution was before your time; you really would have stroked the fuck out.

Why don't you go look up what Mattis has to say about the military setting its own political goals?

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Who cares? Lt Col. North was following the guidance of his elected boss as a member of the National Security Council at the time, not the USMC or DoD: You know, POTUS Ronald. R. Reagan, who ran on a platform to face down communism and literally won the 1980 election against Carter because of it? As in, Ronald Maximus Reagan's NSC? Yep-he was there because he was the right man for the job at the right time. His time as a young infantry platoon commander only shaped and developed him into the warrior this nation needed when the time came. Just because he wore the uniform of a US Marine Officer, doesn't mean he was operating in that capacity while assigned to the NSC. Understand?

Fuck the communists in Congress.

Besides, you're from CA. I don't care what you think. I had enough of you hand-wringing quislings when I grew up there, hence why I don't live in Cali anymore.

Also, stop with the blasphemy. You'll probably regret ever doing so someday (like I do, even if I slip up and act like a disrespectful communist heathen now and again).

Now go change your pants and undies. Nobody respects someone that walks about shamelessly after he's pissed their trousers upon hearing this traumatic news.

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:12:31 AM EDT

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I like him but odd choice. His company made tactical gear but he didn't believe civilians should be allowed to own his products.

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:18:58 AM EDT

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Well he definitely was a shooter with high capacity assault loads

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:24:20 AM EDT

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Don't you just hate it when the loyal Americans, who hate Communists, win one once in awhile? That just sucks!

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A former convicted felon? Really?

North's convictions were vacated and reversed.

All charges against him were dropped in 1991.

Thanks to the swamp and his being such a good team player - it's not like he was innocent of treason, he was let off hook by other traitors. Why not appoint OJ president of womens rights too?

Don't you just hate it when the loyal Americans, who hate Communists, win one once in awhile? That just sucks!

We sat and watched his hearing in the barracks everyday, NAS Cecil Field. We cheered him and jeered the representatives. He was doing God's work. He helped to he Americans held hostage, sell old soon to be scrap to Iran, and killing commies. What's not to love.

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:28:47 AM EDT

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We sat and watched his hearing in the barracks everyday, NAS Cecil Field. We cheered him and jeered the representatives. He was doing God's work. He helped to he Americans held hostage, sell old soon to be scrap to Iran, and killing commies. What's not to love.

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A former convicted felon? Really?

North's convictions were vacated and reversed.

All charges against him were dropped in 1991.

Thanks to the swamp and his being such a good team player - it's not like he was innocent of treason, he was let off hook by other traitors. Why not appoint OJ president of womens rights too?

Don't you just hate it when the loyal Americans, who hate Communists, win one once in awhile? That just sucks!

We sat and watched his hearing in the barracks everyday, NAS Cecil Field. We cheered him and jeered the representatives. He was doing God's work. He helped to he Americans held hostage, sell old soon to be scrap to Iran, and killing commies. What's not to love.

Amen, Brother. God bless him--and you and yours.

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:31:27 AM EDT

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*TOW ATGMS and HAWK missiles were hardly cutting edge in 1988. You know who deployed a HAWK battery a few years later during Desert Shield? The Germans. In Turkey (before they mutinied, that is). That's it. The HAWK missile system was so current at the time, the US deployed Patriot SAMs to SWA and Israel instead. Trust me when I say the Israelis weren't in any danger. ETA: And I never saw a HAWK battery anywhere over there.

*The TOW missile system that was LOS only was made obsolescent by TOW2B, which could defeat armor with reactive tiles. I have seen no information that indicates we sold the Iranians the more advanced version. Regardless, I don't care. Israel wasn't going to be defeated by the Iranians with 2,500 more TOW missiles on a second front while they simultaneously fought Saddam's Iraqi Army.

*No, you're simple. Period. If you can't see that the NRA is the national-level organization that UK and Australian gun owners wished they had to lobby on their behalf before their guns were outlawed and confiscated, then it's you who is truly gullible. Nobody said the NRA was perfect, or that it didn't need fresh management, but I haven't seen any new AWBs leave committee, either. Maybe you can point out an example to me. Go ahead. Change my mind, oh Enlightened One.

*I'm sorry you're jealous of WLP's compensation. Personally I don't care as long as I'm seeing a good faith effort on their part to put pressure on Congress to NOT let new gun control bills out of committee for a vote on the floors of either chamber. I guess class envy is a thing here in GD, though.

During her campaign, Killery named the NRA her #1 political enemy. Enough said.

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Yea, because Lt Col. North isn't on board with aiding our one true ally in the region.

I can support selling outdated weapons to Iran to kill their fellow muslims for eight years. Keeps them busy while Israel receives the advanced military aid from the United States to defeat either.

The administration was attempting to gain favor with the more "moderate" leftover elements from the Shah's regime still within the Iranian gov't. At the time, it had only been a few years since Iran was considered "the 51st state" by much of the world. So it didn't work. Are you crying over dead muslims now?

Furthermore, I know you think you're being exceptionally bright by bashing the NRA but in reality, you're a simple malcontent with little to offer just the rest of your fellow travelers. 5,000,000 members aligned against the radical leftists that want to disarm you, and you choose to feed your fragile ego by throwing a tantrum over a stupid statement that didn't really say anything. Here's a reality check for you: The NRA hasn't called for a "ban" on anything, and they're the only thing standing between being able to enjoy the freedoms we do now, or looking at airsoft as our next legal option to owning something that looks like a firearm.

You disgust me.

"Outdated" that system wasn't outdated in 1988.

"Are you crying over dead muslims now?" Ah, why would I?

"you're a simple malcontent" you are gullible and I pity you.

"5,000,000 members aligned against the radical leftists" LoL, look up Wayne's net worth. That is your NRA money at work.

*TOW ATGMS and HAWK missiles were hardly cutting edge in 1988. You know who deployed a HAWK battery a few years later during Desert Shield? The Germans. In Turkey (before they mutinied, that is). That's it. The HAWK missile system was so current at the time, the US deployed Patriot SAMs to SWA and Israel instead. Trust me when I say the Israelis weren't in any danger. ETA: And I never saw a HAWK battery anywhere over there.

*The TOW missile system that was LOS only was made obsolescent by TOW2B, which could defeat armor with reactive tiles. I have seen no information that indicates we sold the Iranians the more advanced version. Regardless, I don't care. Israel wasn't going to be defeated by the Iranians with 2,500 more TOW missiles on a second front while they simultaneously fought Saddam's Iraqi Army.

*No, you're simple. Period. If you can't see that the NRA is the national-level organization that UK and Australian gun owners wished they had to lobby on their behalf before their guns were outlawed and confiscated, then it's you who is truly gullible. Nobody said the NRA was perfect, or that it didn't need fresh management, but I haven't seen any new AWBs leave committee, either. Maybe you can point out an example to me. Go ahead. Change my mind, oh Enlightened One.

*I'm sorry you're jealous of WLP's compensation. Personally I don't care as long as I'm seeing a good faith effort on their part to put pressure on Congress to NOT let new gun control bills out of committee for a vote on the floors of either chamber. I guess class envy is a thing here in GD, though.

During her campaign, Killery named the NRA her #1 political enemy. Enough said.

He also sold the Iranians sidewinder, fricking a models. LMAO You can lose that one by pointing into the sun, you don't even need flares. Also some tomcats, without support. LoL. How long do you think those pigs fly without maintenance.

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:33:01 AM EDT

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He’s an asshole.

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:35:03 AM EDT

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Well, good! Some of us were a bit afraid he might be too "nice" to be effective in this role. Thanks for clearing that up!

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:40:45 AM EDT

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Who cares? Lt Col. North was following the guidance of his elected boss as a member of the National Security Council at the time, not the USMC or DoD: You know, POTUS Ronald. R. Reagan, who ran on a platform to face down communism and literally won the 1980 election against Carter because of it? As in, Ronald Maximus Reagan's NSC? Yep-he was there because he was the right man for the job at the right time. His time as a young infantry platoon commander only shaped and developed him into the warrior this nation needed when the time came. Just because he wore the uniform of a US Marine Officer, doesn't mean he was operating in that capacity while assigned to the NSC. Understand?

Fuck the communists in Congress.

Besides, you're from CA. I don't care what you think. I had enough of you hand-wringing quislings when I grew up there, hence why I don't live in Cali anymore.

Also, stop with the blasphemy. You'll probably regret ever doing so someday (like I do, even if I slip up and act like a disrespectful communist heathen now and again).

Now go change your pants and undies. Nobody respects someone that walks about shamelessly after he's pissed their trousers upon hearing this traumatic news.

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Good thing the American Revolution was before your time; you really would have stroked the fuck out.

Why don't you go look up what Mattis has to say about the military setting its own political goals?

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Who cares? Lt Col. North was following the guidance of his elected boss as a member of the National Security Council at the time, not the USMC or DoD: You know, POTUS Ronald. R. Reagan, who ran on a platform to face down communism and literally won the 1980 election against Carter because of it? As in, Ronald Maximus Reagan's NSC? Yep-he was there because he was the right man for the job at the right time. His time as a young infantry platoon commander only shaped and developed him into the warrior this nation needed when the time came. Just because he wore the uniform of a US Marine Officer, doesn't mean he was operating in that capacity while assigned to the NSC. Understand?

Fuck the communists in Congress.

Besides, you're from CA. I don't care what you think. I had enough of you hand-wringing quislings when I grew up there, hence why I don't live in Cali anymore.

Also, stop with the blasphemy. You'll probably regret ever doing so someday (like I do, even if I slip up and act like a disrespectful communist heathen now and again).

Now go change your pants and undies. Nobody respects someone that walks about shamelessly after he's pissed their trousers upon hearing this traumatic news.

That's a lot of effort to reply to someone from California about whom you don't even care.

Maybe you're a little testy because you know you're wrong? You know that the military isn't allowed to just go do whatever they please in direct opposition to the direction of the representative government elected by their people? Maybe somewhere, deep down, you know LTC North did something wrong and might not be the best face for the NRA?

Opposition to communists is all well and good. Hell, killing communists is all well and good if that's what has been tasked to you. Those in power in our military doing whatever they please despite what The People's elected representatives say, is something very different and not really that much better than communism. I assume that unlawful orders are still okay to disobey, right? I don't recall the part in the Constitution that said the military could defy Congress as long as they were opposing communism. Congress may be wrong (certainly is and often), but it is essential for the military to remain subservient to civilian government. If you disagree, that's really unfortunate.

General Jim Mattis brings insight and clarity to the nature of war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKIJKQRb53o

The whole thing is great. 8:20, I think, is where you should start. 7:45 isn't bad, either.

Between CA and blasphemy, you've got a lot of redirection going on. Try to focus and stay on the point, yeah?

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Posted: 5/8/2018 1:41:49 AM EDT

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Amen, Brother. God bless him--and you and yours.

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A former convicted felon? Really?

North's convictions were vacated and reversed.

All charges against him were dropped in 1991.

Thanks to the swamp and his being such a good team player - it's not like he was innocent of treason, he was let off hook by other traitors. Why not appoint OJ president of womens rights too?

Don't you just hate it when the loyal Americans, who hate Communists, win one once in awhile? That just sucks!

We sat and watched his hearing in the barracks everyday, NAS Cecil Field. We cheered him and jeered the representatives. He was doing God's work. He helped to he Americans held hostage, sell old soon to be scrap to Iran, and killing commies. What's not to love.

Amen, Brother. God bless him--and you and yours.

Thanks my man. It was a great time to be an American. After that twit Carter, Ronald Reagan was a God send. Yea he had his screw ups, but I never once doubted he loved the USA. Since that time the public is so cynical, myself included. Sad really and kids are missing out on not knowing deep down this is the best country in the world.

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:41:59 AM EDT

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He also sold the Iranians sidewinder, fricking a models. LMAO You can lose that one by pointing into the sun, you don't even need flares. Also some tomcats, without support. LoL. How long do you think those pigs fly without maintenance.

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Yea, because Lt Col. North isn't on board with aiding our one true ally in the region.

I can support selling outdated weapons to Iran to kill their fellow muslims for eight years. Keeps them busy while Israel receives the advanced military aid from the United States to defeat either.

The administration was attempting to gain favor with the more "moderate" leftover elements from the Shah's regime still within the Iranian gov't. At the time, it had only been a few years since Iran was considered "the 51st state" by much of the world. So it didn't work. Are you crying over dead muslims now?

Furthermore, I know you think you're being exceptionally bright by bashing the NRA but in reality, you're a simple malcontent with little to offer just the rest of your fellow travelers. 5,000,000 members aligned against the radical leftists that want to disarm you, and you choose to feed your fragile ego by throwing a tantrum over a stupid statement that didn't really say anything. Here's a reality check for you: The NRA hasn't called for a "ban" on anything, and they're the only thing standing between being able to enjoy the freedoms we do now, or looking at airsoft as our next legal option to owning something that looks like a firearm.

You disgust me.

"Outdated" that system wasn't outdated in 1988.

"Are you crying over dead muslims now?" Ah, why would I?

"you're a simple malcontent" you are gullible and I pity you.

"5,000,000 members aligned against the radical leftists" LoL, look up Wayne's net worth. That is your NRA money at work.

*TOW ATGMS and HAWK missiles were hardly cutting edge in 1988. You know who deployed a HAWK battery a few years later during Desert Shield? The Germans. In Turkey (before they mutinied, that is). That's it. The HAWK missile system was so current at the time, the US deployed Patriot SAMs to SWA and Israel instead. Trust me when I say the Israelis weren't in any danger. ETA: And I never saw a HAWK battery anywhere over there.

*The TOW missile system that was LOS only was made obsolescent by TOW2B, which could defeat armor with reactive tiles. I have seen no information that indicates we sold the Iranians the more advanced version. Regardless, I don't care. Israel wasn't going to be defeated by the Iranians with 2,500 more TOW missiles on a second front while they simultaneously fought Saddam's Iraqi Army.

*No, you're simple. Period. If you can't see that the NRA is the national-level organization that UK and Australian gun owners wished they had to lobby on their behalf before their guns were outlawed and confiscated, then it's you who is truly gullible. Nobody said the NRA was perfect, or that it didn't need fresh management, but I haven't seen any new AWBs leave committee, either. Maybe you can point out an example to me. Go ahead. Change my mind, oh Enlightened One.

*I'm sorry you're jealous of WLP's compensation. Personally I don't care as long as I'm seeing a good faith effort on their part to put pressure on Congress to NOT let new gun control bills out of committee for a vote on the floors of either chamber. I guess class envy is a thing here in GD, though.

During her campaign, Killery named the NRA her #1 political enemy. Enough said.

He also sold the Iranians sidewinder, fricking a models. LMAO You can lose that one by pointing into the sun, you don't even need flares. Also some tomcats, without support. LoL. How long do you think those pigs fly without maintenance.

I didn't know that. Then again, we could have sold those primates on either side of the conflict AMRAAMs and the results would have been the same.

Come to think of it, we could have given the IAF prototype sidewinders with the end-state being the Israelis would have ended up with something to show for it in the form of a favorable A2A kill ratio.

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:44:20 AM EDT

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I didn't know that. Then again, we could have sold those primates on either side of the conflict AMRAAMs and the results would have been the same.

Come to think of it, we could have given the IAF prototype sidewinders with the end-state being the Israelis would have ended up with something to show for it in the form of a favorable A2A kill ratio.

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Yea, because Lt Col. North isn't on board with aiding our one true ally in the region.

I can support selling outdated weapons to Iran to kill their fellow muslims for eight years. Keeps them busy while Israel receives the advanced military aid from the United States to defeat either.

The administration was attempting to gain favor with the more "moderate" leftover elements from the Shah's regime still within the Iranian gov't. At the time, it had only been a few years since Iran was considered "the 51st state" by much of the world. So it didn't work. Are you crying over dead muslims now?

Furthermore, I know you think you're being exceptionally bright by bashing the NRA but in reality, you're a simple malcontent with little to offer just the rest of your fellow travelers. 5,000,000 members aligned against the radical leftists that want to disarm you, and you choose to feed your fragile ego by throwing a tantrum over a stupid statement that didn't really say anything. Here's a reality check for you: The NRA hasn't called for a "ban" on anything, and they're the only thing standing between being able to enjoy the freedoms we do now, or looking at airsoft as our next legal option to owning something that looks like a firearm.

You disgust me.

"Outdated" that system wasn't outdated in 1988.

"Are you crying over dead muslims now?" Ah, why would I?

"you're a simple malcontent" you are gullible and I pity you.

"5,000,000 members aligned against the radical leftists" LoL, look up Wayne's net worth. That is your NRA money at work.

*TOW ATGMS and HAWK missiles were hardly cutting edge in 1988. You know who deployed a HAWK battery a few years later during Desert Shield? The Germans. In Turkey (before they mutinied, that is). That's it. The HAWK missile system was so current at the time, the US deployed Patriot SAMs to SWA and Israel instead. Trust me when I say the Israelis weren't in any danger. ETA: And I never saw a HAWK battery anywhere over there.

*The TOW missile system that was LOS only was made obsolescent by TOW2B, which could defeat armor with reactive tiles. I have seen no information that indicates we sold the Iranians the more advanced version. Regardless, I don't care. Israel wasn't going to be defeated by the Iranians with 2,500 more TOW missiles on a second front while they simultaneously fought Saddam's Iraqi Army.

*No, you're simple. Period. If you can't see that the NRA is the national-level organization that UK and Australian gun owners wished they had to lobby on their behalf before their guns were outlawed and confiscated, then it's you who is truly gullible. Nobody said the NRA was perfect, or that it didn't need fresh management, but I haven't seen any new AWBs leave committee, either. Maybe you can point out an example to me. Go ahead. Change my mind, oh Enlightened One.

*I'm sorry you're jealous of WLP's compensation. Personally I don't care as long as I'm seeing a good faith effort on their part to put pressure on Congress to NOT let new gun control bills out of committee for a vote on the floors of either chamber. I guess class envy is a thing here in GD, though.

During her campaign, Killery named the NRA her #1 political enemy. Enough said.

He also sold the Iranians sidewinder, fricking a models. LMAO You can lose that one by pointing into the sun, you don't even need flares. Also some tomcats, without support. LoL. How long do you think those pigs fly without maintenance.

I didn't know that. Then again, we could have sold those primates on either side of the conflict AMRAAMs and the results would have been the same.

Come to think of it, we could have given the IAF prototype sidewinders with the end-state being the Israelis would have ended up with something to show for it in the form of a favorable A2A kill ratio.

I was in the wing so when that came out we all laughed. That's why it stuck with me. The media was zomg, sidewinder and we were like yea the ones from Vietnam waiting to be destroyed. LoL

Posted: 5/8/2018 1:51:50 AM EDT

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He was the fall guy for the gipper in the Iran Contra gun running screw up back in the 80's.

Posted: 5/8/2018 2:00:02 AM EDT

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I was still in college when the leftists in the news and even on campus became unraveled over Lt Col. Oliver North telling Congress to eat shit. It was beautiful.

I later met him in 2006 when he was on a book tour in J-Action-Ville NC. I was proud to shake his hand-he's a great American. Most of us appreciated everything he did to bring about the fall of the Ortega regime in Nicaragua by funding the Contras (who were fighting the Sandinistas) and thus push back against Soviet expansion into Latin America during the Cold War. This, despite the Reds in the US Congress who did everything to undermine President Reagan's foreign policy of containing communism in the western hemisphere and who were sympathetic to Ortega and his leftist, pro-USSR gov't.

Added bonus: IIRC Lt Col. North facilitated the sale of US weapons to Iran in an effort to gain release of American hostages in the ME. Those same weapons were used to kill Iraqis in their 8 year slaughter with the Iranians. This, while we gave intel to Iraq so they could slay the persians more efficiently. More dead arabs and persians all around. Now, who doesn't get wood thinking about the way he smote two (types of) muslims with one stone in a manner which furthered our interests both in the ME and in Latin America? The man was the epitome of what being a true American really is.

Anyway, if the Contras murdered a leftists priest here and there because they were aiding the communist Sandinistas, then who the fuck cares unless you're a filthy communist? Fuck them.

For any of you haters out there, I hope this makes you so angry you piss all over yourself.

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Well said!

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That's a lot of effort to reply to someone from California about whom you don't even care.

Maybe you're a little testy because you know you're wrong? You know that the military isn't allowed to just go do whatever they please in direct opposition to the direction of the representative government elected by their people? Maybe somewhere, deep down, you know LTC North did something wrong and might not be the best face for the NRA?

Opposition to communists is all well and good. Hell, killing communists is all well and good if that's what has been tasked to you. Those in power in our military doing whatever they please despite what The People's elected representatives say, is something very different and not really that much better than communism. I assume that unlawful orders are still okay to disobey, right? I don't recall the part in the Constitution that said the military could defy Congress as long as they were opposing communism. Congress may be wrong (certainly is and often), but it is essential for the military to remain subservient to civilian government. If you disagree, that's really unfortunate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKIJKQRb53o
The whole thing is great. 8:20, I think, is where you should start. 7:45 isn't bad, either.

Between CA and blasphemy, you've got a lot of redirection going on. Try to focus and stay on the point, yeah?

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Good thing the American Revolution was before your time; you really would have stroked the fuck out.

Why don't you go look up what Mattis has to say about the military setting its own political goals?

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Who cares? Lt Col. North was following the guidance of his elected boss as a member of the National Security Council at the time, not the USMC or DoD: You know, POTUS Ronald. R. Reagan, who ran on a platform to face down communism and literally won the 1980 election against Carter because of it? As in, Ronald Maximus Reagan's NSC? Yep-he was there because he was the right man for the job at the right time. His time as a young infantry platoon commander only shaped and developed him into the warrior this nation needed when the time came. Just because he wore the uniform of a US Marine Officer, doesn't mean he was operating in that capacity while assigned to the NSC. Understand?

Fuck the communists in Congress.

Besides, you're from CA. I don't care what you think. I had enough of you hand-wringing quislings when I grew up there, hence why I don't live in Cali anymore.

Also, stop with the blasphemy. You'll probably regret ever doing so someday (like I do, even if I slip up and act like a disrespectful communist heathen now and again).

Now go change your pants and undies. Nobody respects someone that walks about shamelessly after he's pissed their trousers upon hearing this traumatic news.

That's a lot of effort to reply to someone from California about whom you don't even care.

Maybe you're a little testy because you know you're wrong? You know that the military isn't allowed to just go do whatever they please in direct opposition to the direction of the representative government elected by their people? Maybe somewhere, deep down, you know LTC North did something wrong and might not be the best face for the NRA?

Opposition to communists is all well and good. Hell, killing communists is all well and good if that's what has been tasked to you. Those in power in our military doing whatever they please despite what The People's elected representatives say, is something very different and not really that much better than communism. I assume that unlawful orders are still okay to disobey, right? I don't recall the part in the Constitution that said the military could defy Congress as long as they were opposing communism. Congress may be wrong (certainly is and often), but it is essential for the military to remain subservient to civilian government. If you disagree, that's really unfortunate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKIJKQRb53o
The whole thing is great. 8:20, I think, is where you should start. 7:45 isn't bad, either.

Between CA and blasphemy, you've got a lot of redirection going on. Try to focus and stay on the point, yeah?

Edited for god damned grammar (it's lower case, just pretend I'm invoking a different god).

Keep blathering. Maybe you'll talk yourself to sleep.

Seriously though, it amazes me how physical geography plays such a prominate role in shaping a person's false perceptions, no matter how incredulous. It's like an institutionalized collective hysteria.

Just stop, please. I get it; you've been taught to fear the military because you don't and cannot understand how it interacts with our government at the executive level. No need to put your hysteria or ignorance on display.

Stereotypes exist for a reason, BTW, and I'm embarrassed for you.

Don't be that guy. You're not the constitutional expert you think you are.

Posted: 5/8/2018 2:09:11 AM EDT

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Wish he was replacing Wayne LaPierre instead of Pete Brownell.

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Keep blathering. Maybe you'll talk yourself to sleep.

Seriously though, it amazes me how physical geography plays such a prominate role in shaping a person's false perceptions, no matter how incredulous. It's like an institutionalized collective hysteria.

Just stop, please. I get it; you've been taught to fear the military because you don't and cannot understand how it interacts with our government at the executive level. No need to put your hysteria or ignorance on display.

Stereotypes exist for a reason, BTW, and I'm embarrassed for you.

Don't be that guy. You're not the constitutional expert you think you are.

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Good thing the American Revolution was before your time; you really would have stroked the fuck out.

Why don't you go look up what Mattis has to say about the military setting its own political goals?

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Who cares? Lt Col. North was following the guidance of his elected boss as a member of the National Security Council at the time, not the USMC or DoD: You know, POTUS Ronald. R. Reagan, who ran on a platform to face down communism and literally won the 1980 election against Carter because of it? As in, Ronald Maximus Reagan's NSC? Yep-he was there because he was the right man for the job at the right time. His time as a young infantry platoon commander only shaped and developed him into the warrior this nation needed when the time came. Just because he wore the uniform of a US Marine Officer, doesn't mean he was operating in that capacity while assigned to the NSC. Understand?

Fuck the communists in Congress.

Besides, you're from CA. I don't care what you think. I had enough of you hand-wringing quislings when I grew up there, hence why I don't live in Cali anymore.

Also, stop with the blasphemy. You'll probably regret ever doing so someday (like I do, even if I slip up and act like a disrespectful communist heathen now and again).

Now go change your pants and undies. Nobody respects someone that walks about shamelessly after he's pissed their trousers upon hearing this traumatic news.

That's a lot of effort to reply to someone from California about whom you don't even care.

Maybe you're a little testy because you know you're wrong? You know that the military isn't allowed to just go do whatever they please in direct opposition to the direction of the representative government elected by their people? Maybe somewhere, deep down, you know LTC North did something wrong and might not be the best face for the NRA?

Opposition to communists is all well and good. Hell, killing communists is all well and good if that's what has been tasked to you. Those in power in our military doing whatever they please despite what The People's elected representatives say, is something very different and not really that much better than communism. I assume that unlawful orders are still okay to disobey, right? I don't recall the part in the Constitution that said the military could defy Congress as long as they were opposing communism. Congress may be wrong (certainly is and often), but it is essential for the military to remain subservient to civilian government. If you disagree, that's really unfortunate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKIJKQRb53o
The whole thing is great. 8:20, I think, is where you should start. 7:45 isn't bad, either.

Between CA and blasphemy, you've got a lot of redirection going on. Try to focus and stay on the point, yeah?

Edited for god damned grammar (it's lower case, just pretend I'm invoking a different god).

Keep blathering. Maybe you'll talk yourself to sleep.

Seriously though, it amazes me how physical geography plays such a prominate role in shaping a person's false perceptions, no matter how incredulous. It's like an institutionalized collective hysteria.

Just stop, please. I get it; you've been taught to fear the military because you don't and cannot understand how it interacts with our government at the executive level. No need to put your hysteria or ignorance on display.

Stereotypes exist for a reason, BTW, and I'm embarrassed for you.

Don't be that guy. You're not the constitutional expert you think you are.

Have you anything but ad hominem and guilt by association, or do you have something of substance?

I have no fear of our military, at the moment. I do fear a military that gets it in their head that they can do what they please if they think it's best, and the civilian representatives of The People be damned. If you don't, you do not and cannot understand how the military is supposed to interact with our civilian government. No need to put your insecurity and anger on display.

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I was in the wing so when that came out we all laughed. That's why it stuck with me. The media was zomg, sidewinder and we were like yea the ones from Vietnam waiting to be destroyed. LoL

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Yea, because Lt Col. North isn't on board with aiding our one true ally in the region.

I can support selling outdated weapons to Iran to kill their fellow muslims for eight years. Keeps them busy while Israel receives the advanced military aid from the United States to defeat either.

The administration was attempting to gain favor with the more "moderate" leftover elements from the Shah's regime still within the Iranian gov't. At the time, it had only been a few years since Iran was considered "the 51st state" by much of the world. So it didn't work. Are you crying over dead muslims now?

Furthermore, I know you think you're being exceptionally bright by bashing the NRA but in reality, you're a simple malcontent with little to offer just the rest of your fellow travelers. 5,000,000 members aligned against the radical leftists that want to disarm you, and you choose to feed your fragile ego by throwing a tantrum over a stupid statement that didn't really say anything. Here's a reality check for you: The NRA hasn't called for a "ban" on anything, and they're the only thing standing between being able to enjoy the freedoms we do now, or looking at airsoft as our next legal option to owning something that looks like a firearm.

You disgust me.

"Outdated" that system wasn't outdated in 1988.

"Are you crying over dead muslims now?" Ah, why would I?

"you're a simple malcontent" you are gullible and I pity you.

"5,000,000 members aligned against the radical leftists" LoL, look up Wayne's net worth. That is your NRA money at work.

*TOW ATGMS and HAWK missiles were hardly cutting edge in 1988. You know who deployed a HAWK battery a few years later during Desert Shield? The Germans. In Turkey (before they mutinied, that is). That's it. The HAWK missile system was so current at the time, the US deployed Patriot SAMs to SWA and Israel instead. Trust me when I say the Israelis weren't in any danger. ETA: And I never saw a HAWK battery anywhere over there.

*The TOW missile system that was LOS only was made obsolescent by TOW2B, which could defeat armor with reactive tiles. I have seen no information that indicates we sold the Iranians the more advanced version. Regardless, I don't care. Israel wasn't going to be defeated by the Iranians with 2,500 more TOW missiles on a second front while they simultaneously fought Saddam's Iraqi Army.

*No, you're simple. Period. If you can't see that the NRA is the national-level organization that UK and Australian gun owners wished they had to lobby on their behalf before their guns were outlawed and confiscated, then it's you who is truly gullible. Nobody said the NRA was perfect, or that it didn't need fresh management, but I haven't seen any new AWBs leave committee, either. Maybe you can point out an example to me. Go ahead. Change my mind, oh Enlightened One.

*I'm sorry you're jealous of WLP's compensation. Personally I don't care as long as I'm seeing a good faith effort on their part to put pressure on Congress to NOT let new gun control bills out of committee for a vote on the floors of either chamber. I guess class envy is a thing here in GD, though.

During her campaign, Killery named the NRA her #1 political enemy. Enough said.

He also sold the Iranians sidewinder, fricking a models. LMAO You can lose that one by pointing into the sun, you don't even need flares. Also some tomcats, without support. LoL. How long do you think those pigs fly without maintenance.

I didn't know that. Then again, we could have sold those primates on either side of the conflict AMRAAMs and the results would have been the same.

Come to think of it, we could have given the IAF prototype sidewinders with the end-state being the Israelis would have ended up with something to show for it in the form of a favorable A2A kill ratio.

I was in the wing so when that came out we all laughed. That's why it stuck with me. The media was zomg, sidewinder and we were like yea the ones from Vietnam waiting to be destroyed. LoL

It sounds like Lt Col. North sold the iranians Code H DRMO.....

That was pretty brilliant

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heads up! We got us a gook on the wire boys.

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Yea, because Lt Col. North isn't on board with aiding our one true ally in the region.

I can support selling outdated weapons to Iran to kill their fellow muslims for eight years. Keeps them busy while Israel receives the advanced military aid from the United States to defeat either (ETA: Iran or Iraq).

The administration was attempting to gain favor with the more "moderate" leftover elements from the Shah's regime still within the Iranian gov't. At the time, it had only been a few years since Iran was considered "the 51st state" by much of the world. So it didn't work. Are you crying over dead muslims now?

Furthermore, I know you think you're being exceptionally bright by bashing the NRA but in reality, you're a simple malcontent with little to offer just the rest of your fellow travelers. 5,000,000 members aligned against the radical leftists that want to disarm you, and you choose to feed your fragile ego by throwing a tantrum over a stupid statement that didn't really say anything. Here's a reality check for you: The NRA hasn't called for a "ban" on anything, and they're the only thing standing between being able to enjoy the freedoms we do now, or looking at airsoft as our next legal option to owning something that looks like a firearm.

You disgust me.

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So the NRA will have a president that sold arms to Muslim terrorists.

They can eat a dick.

You should take your own advice

Its rather ironic that you have an Israeli flag on your avatar but you find no fault in a guy who helped arm a regime that wants to destroy Israel.

Ollie will be good company to the folks at the NRA that will sell your 2A rights down the river.

Yea, because Lt Col. North isn't on board with aiding our one true ally in the region.

I can support selling outdated weapons to Iran to kill their fellow muslims for eight years. Keeps them busy while Israel receives the advanced military aid from the United States to defeat either (ETA: Iran or Iraq).

The administration was attempting to gain favor with the more "moderate" leftover elements from the Shah's regime still within the Iranian gov't. At the time, it had only been a few years since Iran was considered "the 51st state" by much of the world. So it didn't work. Are you crying over dead muslims now?

Furthermore, I know you think you're being exceptionally bright by bashing the NRA but in reality, you're a simple malcontent with little to offer just the rest of your fellow travelers. 5,000,000 members aligned against the radical leftists that want to disarm you, and you choose to feed your fragile ego by throwing a tantrum over a stupid statement that didn't really say anything. Here's a reality check for you: The NRA hasn't called for a "ban" on anything, and they're the only thing standing between being able to enjoy the freedoms we do now, or looking at airsoft as our next legal option to owning something that looks like a firearm.

You disgust me.

Also well said!

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Loyal American?!!!

if thats the case - Dear Iranians - if you are reading this meet me and my partner outside the armory, we'll get you all fixed up to terrorize Americans. No worries about legalities, we're using the proceeds to battle communism - per congress, this is acceptable, we will be branded loyal Americans, given awards, high paying jobs and a radio gig for these actions. Too bad we're not female, that would earn a presidential nomination! If thats the way it is, why the fuck should anybody obey the law?

ETA- based on current state of South America, helluva job brownie! They're doing so well they want to stay put, none of them want to invade USA! LOL.

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Don't you just hate it when the loyal Americans, who hate Communists, win one once in awhile? That just sucks!

Loyal American?!!!

if thats the case - Dear Iranians - if you are reading this meet me and my partner outside the armory, we'll get you all fixed up to terrorize Americans. No worries about legalities, we're using the proceeds to battle communism - per congress, this is acceptable, we will be branded loyal Americans, given awards, high paying jobs and a radio gig for these actions. Too bad we're not female, that would earn a presidential nomination! If thats the way it is, why the fuck should anybody obey the law?

ETA- based on current state of South America, helluva job brownie! They're doing so well they want to stay put, none of them want to invade USA! LOL.

You very obviously were not alive and/or were very young when all of this happened. Terrorism wasn't shit compared to the very real existential threat the commies posed to the world. Still isn't really.

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That coupled with Kraut's inexplicable and unexpected defeat at the ballot box...I think the NRA's on the way out, to live out the remainder of time as a mediocre vestigial organ of the RNC. Reform seems impossible.

However, without a convincing "800lb gorilla" guilt tripping amd brow beating everyone in the room, maybe some of the *actual* advocacy groups like SAF or (even) GOA can finally get some sunlight to grow on and come into their own.

It needs to be reiterated that the NRA has a large amount of "original sin" in its founding, as far as having little to nothing to do with Everyman Joe's gun rights, and everything to do with the country club. We have swayed it a good ways from that path, but the tendency has consistently been toward elitism, with a side of creeping disarmament.

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Have you anything but ad hominem and guilt by association, or do you have something of substance?

I have no fear of our military, at the moment. I do fear a military that gets it in their head that they can do what they please if they think it's best, and the civilian representatives of The People be damned. If you don't, you do not and cannot understand how the military is supposed to interact with our civilian government. No need to put your insecurity and anger on display.