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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:19:22 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: not quite accurate Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also, people inside can't hear you yelling "POLICE!" They just hear undistinguishable yelling. not quite accurate Do you think Joe citizen has any interest in getting in a shootout with police? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:20:07 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They should start using pizza delivery boys as cop car drivers to make sure they get the right address.  The Address Song (sing along) | Learn how to read an address! |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:21:10 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even more amazing is the number of LEOs that don't know or care about the difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Armed does not equal brandishing or assault. Armed is fine. Amazing there are gun owners that don’t know the difference Even more amazing is the number of LEOs that don't know or care about the difference. Indeed. they are often confused of the difference between misdemeanor brandishing and felony ADW as well. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:21:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, what if it wasn't the wrong address? Cop announces that the police are at your front door and you answer with a gun in your hand? You're a fucking retard. But it was the wrong address. 11:30 at night, I am answering the door with a gun at the ready with the weapon light on and interior lights off.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:21:52 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Armed does not equal brandishing or assault. Armed is fine. Amazing there are gun owners that don’t know the difference Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm about to get into the assassination business. Show up at someone's door at 3 in the morning. If they answer the door armed, blast them. If they are not armed, simply walk away and come back the next night, and the next night, and the next night, UNTIL they get pissed/scared and show up armed....and them BLAST THEM. https://media.tenor.com/v_h7ocKTs_QAAAAd/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting.gif https://media.tenor.com/Qo9KZKsWyTAAAAAM/legal-perfectly-legal.gif Armed does not equal brandishing or assault. Armed is fine. Amazing there are gun owners that don’t know the difference You don’t know if the murder victim was brandishing or pointing his weapon. You’re making assumptions based on the murderer’s occupation. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:22:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amazon, UPS etc usually attend the address alone. Here we have TWO officers who both misread the address ! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow. Those specific police officers seem to be really bad at that specific time. I don't know protocol needs to be put into place for this to stop happening but it needs to happen before more random innocent homeowners are killed by the government. If Amazon, UPS, and Fedex can't solve wrong address issues it's unlikely that you'll be able to statistically eliminate cops showing up at wrong addresses. It could be reduced for sure, but it's never stopping even if we go by the most extreme requests in this thread like jailing anyone involved in this fuck up for life. Everyone in this thread should contemplate their tactics for someone banging on their door at night claiming to be police. These stories are a good opportunity to think about such things. Amazon, UPS etc usually attend the address alone. Here we have TWO officers who both misread the address ! Don't confuse my post for excusing the officers in this case. I'm just saying that you won't statistically eliminate this type of event. It's going to happen no matter what "corrective actions" are applied to the police. It's a good opportunity to think about what you'd do if someone is banging on your door at night. No amount of flogging of the officers involved is going to undead this guy so it's a worthwhile thing to think about. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:23:33 PM EDT
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Should have released the hounds. While the unidentified strangers were busy with them, the homeowners could have dealt with (the then firing intruders) by calm and accurate rifle fire.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:25:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was making a point about generalizing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Aren’t you in NY? I was making a point about generalizing. And ended up making yourself look bad. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:25:58 PM EDT
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Apparently, the deceased person wasn't black
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:27:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amazon etc, doesn't murder people upon arrival. Do they? I don't know the stats, but I am thinking they don't do that. It is incumbent on PD to get it right, at least the right address. There are checks every step of the way to insure stuff like this. Who dropped that ball. Making sure the address is right is a big deal. For Amazon and the like its an error that is fixable, and happens with low enough occurrence they are willing to pay that price. For the cops, in this case shooting somebody, that price is too high. The company should fold if it happens only a couple of times. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow. Those specific police officers seem to be really bad at that specific time. I don't know protocol needs to be put into place for this to stop happening but it needs to happen before more random innocent homeowners are killed by the government. If Amazon, UPS, and Fedex can't solve wrong address issues it's unlikely that you'll be able to statistically eliminate cops showing up at wrong addresses. It could be reduced for sure, but it's never stopping even if we go by the most extreme requests in this thread like jailing anyone involved in this fuck up for life. Everyone in this thread should contemplate their tactics for someone banging on their door at night claiming to be police. These stories are a good opportunity to think about such things. It is incumbent on PD to get it right, at least the right address. There are checks every step of the way to insure stuff like this. Who dropped that ball. Making sure the address is right is a big deal. For Amazon and the like its an error that is fixable, and happens with low enough occurrence they are willing to pay that price. For the cops, in this case shooting somebody, that price is too high. The company should fold if it happens only a couple of times. I really don't understand why you don't understand my post. It has nothing to do with assigning fault. Literally nothing. Of course it's incumbent on the PD to get the address right. Of course the consequences are much higher than for Amazon if they don't. My point is that the probability of it happening may be reduced with corrective actions but it will never be zero so it's worth thinking about your own tactics for when someone is banging on your door at night. That's it. I'm not jumping in on the "who's at fault" thing going on in this thread. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:28:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: not quite accurate Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also, people inside can't hear you yelling "POLICE!" They just hear undistinguishable yelling. not quite accurate You have perfect comprehension when woken up? I know I don't. Even if it's my wife who's right next to me trying to communicate. Cops can't expect to wake someone up, present them with an unusual situation, and expect a textbook response. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:30:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t forget that in either case I bet officers friendly and incompetent probably all blinded the homeowner with flashlights and/or weapon mounted lights. Doubt it....youre likely to see them starting with guns holstered |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:31:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The article posted doesn't mention if the police responded to the wrong address by their own mistake, by dispatch's mistake, or by the 911 caller's mistake. So, are we just going to assume it was the police until we know otherwise? Either way the government murdered a guy. 
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:32:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doubt it....youre likely to see them starting with guns holstered Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don’t forget that in either case I bet officers friendly and incompetent probably all blinded the homeowner with flashlights and/or weapon mounted lights. Doubt it....youre likely to see them starting with guns holstered I guess we’ll see when the body cam footage is released. My bet is on unholstered weapons with weapon mounted lights that were illuminated and pointed in when the victim opened the door. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:33:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: not quite accurate Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also, people inside can't hear you yelling "POLICE!" They just hear undistinguishable yelling. not quite accurate Rather depends onn your house construction, double glazing, hearing loss, background noise such as tv etc |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:34:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Either way the government murdered a guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The article posted doesn't mention if the police responded to the wrong address by their own mistake, by dispatch's mistake, or by the 911 caller's mistake. So, are we just going to assume it was the police until we know otherwise? Either way the government murdered a guy. k |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:38:53 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think Joe citizen has any interest in getting in a shootout with police? Do you think cops have any interest in getting into shootouts with Joe Citizen? Regardless of your answer, that has what to do with your factually incorrect statement that I responded to? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:40:05 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't confuse my post for excusing the officers in this case. I'm just saying that you won't statistically eliminate this type of event. It's going to happen no matter what "corrective actions" are applied to the police. It's a good opportunity to think about what you'd do if someone is banging on your door at night. No amount of flogging of the officers involved is going to undead this guy so it's a worthwhile thing to think about. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow. Those specific police officers seem to be really bad at that specific time. I don't know protocol needs to be put into place for this to stop happening but it needs to happen before more random innocent homeowners are killed by the government. If Amazon, UPS, and Fedex can't solve wrong address issues it's unlikely that you'll be able to statistically eliminate cops showing up at wrong addresses. It could be reduced for sure, but it's never stopping even if we go by the most extreme requests in this thread like jailing anyone involved in this fuck up for life. Everyone in this thread should contemplate their tactics for someone banging on their door at night claiming to be police. These stories are a good opportunity to think about such things. Amazon, UPS etc usually attend the address alone. Here we have TWO officers who both misread the address ! Don't confuse my post for excusing the officers in this case. I'm just saying that you won't statistically eliminate this type of event. It's going to happen no matter what "corrective actions" are applied to the police. It's a good opportunity to think about what you'd do if someone is banging on your door at night. No amount of flogging of the officers involved is going to undead this guy so it's a worthwhile thing to think about. Totally agree. But a wife has lost her husband. Somebody has to be held accountable. Mistakes happen. But those making them have to compensate those who are affected. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:40:16 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have the ability to see who is at your door? You want the police to be wrong because you have a bias. ETA What makes you believe these cops weren't uniformed and driving marked cars? Nice retread account you fucking cocksucker |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:40:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think cops have any interest in getting into shootouts with Joe Citizen? Regardless of your answer, that has what to do with your factually incorrect statement that I responded to? Of course not. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:41:03 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't that get a woman shot by an officer? Yes, in front of her son I believe |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:42:04 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's horrible. So why the mix up of the address? They're cops, not pizza delivery drivers. Come on man! |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:42:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But it was the wrong address. 11:30 at night, I am answering the door with a gun at the ready with the weapon light on and interior lights off. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/stfu-big-1-37.jpg The idea that arfcom thinks it's a good idea to answer a door with a gun pointed towards the person at the door is fucking MIND BLOWING. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:44:29 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, because NO WAY would the bad guys yell "police" to get you to open up so they can rob you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, what if it wasn't the wrong address? Cop announces that the police are at your front door and you answer with a gun in your hand? You're a fucking retard. And there are SEVERAL documented examples of this home invasion technique. If they yell POLICE, I'm certainly not going to believe them anymore. I truly think that impersonating a police officer (like yelling POLICE SEARCH WARRANT OPEN UP MUDDA FUKKA) when you aren't should be a hard ten years in prison. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:44:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Totally agree. But a wife has lost her husband. Somebody has to be held accountable. Mistakes happen. But those making them have to compensate those who are affected. Yet the chimps flinging poo at each other in this thread still do not know WHO is at fault. The police? Dispatch? The original 911 caller? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:44:33 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice retread account you fucking cocksucker Not once did I change anything I've said. Illiterate. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:45:31 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Totally agree. But a wife has lost her husband. Somebody has to be held accountable. Mistakes happen. But those making them have to compensate those who are affected. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow. Those specific police officers seem to be really bad at that specific time. I don't know protocol needs to be put into place for this to stop happening but it needs to happen before more random innocent homeowners are killed by the government. If Amazon, UPS, and Fedex can't solve wrong address issues it's unlikely that you'll be able to statistically eliminate cops showing up at wrong addresses. It could be reduced for sure, but it's never stopping even if we go by the most extreme requests in this thread like jailing anyone involved in this fuck up for life. Everyone in this thread should contemplate their tactics for someone banging on their door at night claiming to be police. These stories are a good opportunity to think about such things. Amazon, UPS etc usually attend the address alone. Here we have TWO officers who both misread the address ! Don't confuse my post for excusing the officers in this case. I'm just saying that you won't statistically eliminate this type of event. It's going to happen no matter what "corrective actions" are applied to the police. It's a good opportunity to think about what you'd do if someone is banging on your door at night. No amount of flogging of the officers involved is going to undead this guy so it's a worthwhile thing to think about. Totally agree. But a wife has lost her husband. Somebody has to be held accountable. Mistakes happen. But those making them have to compensate those who are affected. I'm certainly not arguing with that. Getting an address wrong on a call like that is a fuck up no doubt and there is definitely a fruit of the poison tree aspect to be argued. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:46:20 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not once did I change anything I've said. Illiterate. Lol may want to re-read that again |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:46:30 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Take the police part out of it. If some stranger knocks on my door at 11:30 at night looking for their lost spouse, and I show up armed to answer, can they legally shoot me? In this scenario I wouldn’t think the police could legally shoot you let alone a civilian.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:49:36 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol may want to re-read that again I'm assuming he's using retread to describe the slightly altering of one's position to change the underlying meaning, which never happened. Either way he's a loser that needs to jump to words like cock sucker in internet arguments. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:49:48 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I truly think that impersonating a police officer (like yelling POLICE SEARCH WARRANT OPEN UP MUDDA FUKKA) when you aren't should be a fixed |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:50:57 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They screwed up by going to the wrong house. That said anyone is free to knock on your door anytime of day or night. And you are free to not answer your door. Which in this case may have been a wise decision.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:51:10 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm assuming he's using retread to describe the slightly altering of one's position to change the underlying meaning, which never happened. Either way he's a loser that needs to jump to words like cock sucker in internet arguments. No |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:51:31 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm assuming he's using retread to describe the slightly altering of one's position to change the underlying meaning, which never happened. Either way he's a loser that needs to jump to words like cock sucker in internet arguments. I took it as you making a new account to post in posts like these |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:53:01 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I took it as you making a new account to post in posts like these Believe whatever you want. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:56:22 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be death penalty. You went to wrong house and murdered someone simply because you saw them legitimately carrying a gun in their own house at night. No excuse. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:58:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Hopefully, I never get in trouble with the law, but if I do, I hope I can do the investigation into myself. While I found I made some mistakes, no laws were broken.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:59:42 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have the ability to see who is at your door? You want the police to be wrong because you have a bias. ETA What makes you believe these cops weren't uniformed and driving marked cars? Marked Cars? https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fake-cop-tries-pull-over-155210632.html |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:59:59 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The idea that arfcom thinks it's a good idea to answer a door with a gun pointed towards the person at the door is fucking MIND BLOWING. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But it was the wrong address. 11:30 at night, I am answering the door with a gun at the ready with the weapon light on and interior lights off. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/stfu-big-1-37.jpg The idea that arfcom thinks it's a good idea to answer a door with a gun pointed towards the person at the door is fucking MIND BLOWING. Nowhere in that post does he say he's pointing a gun at the person at the door. 
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:02:08 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rather depends onn your house construction, double glazing, hearing loss, background noise such as tv etc correct. Also factor in location of the person inside the house, the officers location outside |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:02:46 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nowhere in that post does he say he's pointing a gun at the person at the door. Then why is his weapon mounted light on? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:02:52 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dirty, corrupt, incompetent, murderous cops probably knew they were at the wrong address and planned to murder the guy. Deceased probably fucked the dirty cops girlfriend in high school and the murderer was just itching to get back at him. Sounds like a good start to a conspiracy theory netflix series. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:03:33 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't that get a woman shot by an officer? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:05:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why is his weapon mounted light on? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nowhere in that post does he say he's pointing a gun at the person at the door. Then why is his weapon mounted light on? Why not ask him directly? Maybe he stores it separately, and clicks it on. How about government agents take responsibility for the situation they are creating, and making us respond to? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:06:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like a camera system is absolutely necessary in todays world. If the homeowner had had one, likely he'd still be alive. God forbid we trust cops to know how to reap a map or street signs. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:07:18 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not ask him directly? Maybe he stores it separately, and clicks it on. How about government agents take responsibility for the situation they are creating, and making us respond to? .... I quoted him. Then you interjected. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:07:35 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, probably woken up, have to think everything through and get it all right, because the cops can't go to the right house. House numbers are clearly displayed on the front of house on google maps. Just how much of someone else's stupidity am I responsible for mitigating? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:07:44 PM EDT
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I am not LE. Obviously. Now...outside of the ghetto how likely is an officer really likely to be fired upon by a rural or suburban home resident? I'm not talking about an active warrant for a felonious individual. In other words, if a marked police car pulled up to a rural home in the country what % do you think they are going to take fire from that home? Why are the officers always so on edge and ready to engage? I would think (not my profession but no one has ever fired at postal employees delivering parcels at midnight to my knowledge) that the odds of a mistake would be a thousand times more likely to occur than to be fired upon by home owners.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:09:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've said the cops were wrong |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 2:09:49 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully, I never get in trouble with the law, but if I do, I hope I can do the investigation into myself. While I found I made some mistakes, no laws were broken. Looks like the state police are investigating the shooting |
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