They need that ammo in that massive depot in Moldova.

Ukraine will blow the top off if they even flinch toward it.’

... huh?

Like Albanias stores they went dry awhile ago.

Let me guess, the "walls are closing in" on Putin?

Is his "health failing"?

Is he "increasingly isolated" and "paranoid"

As I recall, the "Forrestal Disaster" was made far worse in part due to the fitting of the aircraft with very old & very badly stored 1950's vintage bombs that were sent over from the Philippines (where they had been openly stored exposed to heat & moisture) and did not have the more modern & temperature safe explosive filling.  The US had exhausted their stock of "modern bombs" and was resorting to using whatever it could scrape up to continue air operations against the Vietnamese.

On 28 July, the day before the accident, Forrestal was resupplied with ordnance by the ammunition ship USS Diamond Head. The load included sixteen 1,000 lb AN/M65A1 "fat boy" bombs (so nicknamed because of their short, rotund shape), which Diamond Head had picked up from Subic Bay Naval Base and were intended for the next day's second bombing sortie. Some of the batch of AN-M65A1s Forrestal received were more than a decade old, having spent a portion of that exposed to the heat and humidity of Okinawa or Guam, eventually being improperly stored in open-air Quonset huts at a disused ammunition dump on the periphery of Subic Bay Naval Base. Unlike the thick-cased Mark 83 bombs filled with Composition H6, the AN/M65A1 bombs were thin-skinned and filled with Composition B, an older explosive with greater shock and heat sensitivity.

Composition B also had the dangerous tendency to become more sensitive if it was old or improperly stored. Forrestal's ordnance handlers had never even seen an AN/M65A1 before, and to their shock, the bombs delivered from Diamond Head were in terrible condition; coated with "decades of accumulated rust and grime" and still in their original packing crates (now moldy and rotten); some were stamped with production dates as early as 1953. Most dangerous of all, several bombs were seen to be leaking liquid paraffin phlegmatizing agent from their seams, an unmistakable sign that the bomb's explosive filler had degenerated with excessive age, and exposure to heat and moisture.

According to Lieutenant R. R. "Rocky" Pratt, a naval aviator attached to VA-106, the concern felt by Forrestal's ordnance handlers was striking, with many afraid to even handle the bombs; one officer wondered out loud if they would survive the shock of a catapult-assisted launch without spontaneously detonating, and others suggested they immediately jettison them.? Forrestal's ordnance officers reported the situation up the chain of command to the ship's commanding officer, Captain John Beling, and informed him the bombs were, in their assessment, an imminent danger to the ship and should be immediately jettisoned overboard.

Faced with this, but still needing 1,000 lb bombs for the next day's missions, Beling demanded Diamond Head take the AN-M65A1s back in exchange for new Mark 83s,? but was told by Diamond Head that they had none to give him.

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American long-range guided ordnance are called "cruise missiles" because they are chill and cruise, confidently to their righteous targets.

Russian long-range guided ordnance are called "suicide drones" because they're bad, and suicidal and DRONEZ!!!!
Get it right!

Yeah that's one problem russia is facing right now but with their whole military, much of the stock that they do have has proven simply unusable.

They burned through their newest armored vehicles first and then started sending second, third tier vehicles. Same for rotor craft, same for missiles, etc. You'd think they would follow the same with arty.

why do you think they are running out of artillery shells?

RUS will be dropping more 30+ yr old ordnance and then 40 and 50 yr old shit ... Then nukes.

China and India and Iran will be resupplying them soon enough when they let everyone know Nukes are all they have left.

Pootypoo is NEVER going to give in.

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Apparently the reds are in full retreat mode. So we gave Ukraine 40 more billion and id bet my left nut thats not the last check we are cutting for it. I dont believe a GD thing any one says about that fucking war.

what does double digits mean?  How many we talking and where are you reading it from. Double digits is only meaningful when you know how many digits are in the initial equation.

well the views here are either "we saved money because it costs more to dispose of these weapons" or "CIA installed president Zelenski will come to my house take 10% of my money kick my puppy and fuck my wife"

I understand why you think you could get away with lying about what the first article said; very few people here actually read articles and three pages in no one has called out your lie. Never the less this is a particularly pathetic lie given that the actual truth can be found in the link: russia-forced-scale-back-missile-strikes-shortage. Not 'Russia is out of missiles', but rather Russia's limited stock of missiles forces them to limit their strikes.

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This will end when Putin dies or we quit paying the bill.

You are assuming that Ukraine and the various powers assisting them, would allow them to do that.

How do we know that the Russians aren't being fed disinformation indicating that if they give up and return to their pre-war borders, we will help Ukraine make a push into former Russian territory, maybe even toward Moscow?

If I wanted to goad this war to go on forever and eventually bankrupt the Russians, I would feed them disinformation indicating that if they return to their own border, various nations would assist Ukraine in mounting a counter attack and a deep offensive.

He does have an escape route.

He can leave Ukraine any time he wants

The Ukraine having A nuke that they could possibly use against a country that has built enough bunkers that apparantly make them feel they could "survive" a FULL nuclear exchange is not much of a deterrent IMO.

True, unless they mysteriously prove they have a thousand 100kt ready to go a dozen is not gonna stop the Russians.

The amount of double talk about the Ukraine conflict is ridiculous.

"Guys the Russian military is barely functioning, they're on the ropes, Ukraine is going to win."  

"Oh no Russia is going to use more powerful and sophisticated weapons.  If we lessen or drop support Russia will take over all of Europe."

Either they suck and are going to lose or they aren't.

The problem is probably that people on the internet are just repeating stuff they read in the news without thinking what it all means.

It's a telephone propaganda game on steroids.

Because that would be such a completely retarded thing to believe. We won't give the Ukrainians weapons that could reach deep into Russia but we're going to support Ukraine driving on Moscow? Even Russia doesn't have enough fetal alchohol syndrome going on to buy that nonsense.

They all parrot that like it’s the narrative or something.

I see, makes sense, last time I even looked at a general media channel was for the mid terms results and only the results so I am not in touch with the current hysteria.

Have been paying attention mostly to what historical objects have been lost honesty.

Be conservative and limit it to what we know with a high degree of certainty from ALOT of firsthand sources and documentary evidence.

Russians have been launching fewer and fewer PGMs.   They can still launch alot in spurts.   But the volleys are getting smaller with longer intervals between raids.

Their artillery fire has lessened.   They can still fire alot.   But they aren't doing massive constant walking barrages across multiple active offensives.   Because they no long even have multiple active offensives.   They've gone almost completely defensive everywhere but Bakhmut.   And they've been basically stalled there for months.   What does that tell you about their ability to marshall overwhelming artillery advantage and use it to steadily take ground piece by piece?   How does it compare to when they used artillery to level Mariupol block by block and take the rubble with infantry?

Empirically speaking, their strength is dramatically reduced.   You can visibly see it just from the results that have been playing out for the past few months.

Does that mean they've run completely out?  Certainly not.   They likely never will run completely out of anything.   They can make more.  

Can they make it fast enough to overwhelm Ukraine?   Well I don't know.   But it sure seems like they don't think they can since they're treating with Iran for munitions.

and used it on moscow

I doubt they had 91.25mio 152&122mm Arty rounds. On paper maybe, but not in reality.

There's a reason they try to get the from NK/Iran/your shithole of choice

And who cares we got our own commie take over going on here.

Personally I feel a more balanced take on this can be somewhere in the middle of those two statements.

Russia loosing in the idea of their stated goals in starting this conflict is a real possibility.  In that vein an argument could be made that they have already lost.

However, they are far from crippled or so out of steam to be forced out of Ukraine in the very near future.  They may not have been anywhere near the US in actual military might.  But they still are quite powerful because well. everyone else has been depending on us and really aren't that strong either.

So this mess is likely to continue on much longer than anyone really has stomach or attention span for.

The first casualty of war is truth.

Russias gonna quit anyday bro, you gotta believe me bro..

Those russkies probably still have warehouses full of MP-44's and PzKpfw V's

@Bacon_Grease What are those round drum looking things?

LOL

Want some great lakesideplace on Mars? I can sell you one very cheap. You can even pay in rubles if you wish so

They did store their T-72 on open fields with OPEN HATCHES. What makes you think they did take better care to their arty rounds?

Anti tank mines.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-tank_landmines

EVERYTHING is a distraction from the invasion of our homeland

Nuanced discussion happens in GD; but it's not the norm.

Quit? Lol no, but boy are they they dieing in numbers not seen since ww2

Assuming rational thinking, which many doubt now in Putin’s head. He may be so scared of losing that he uses smaller nukes and expects the west to capitulate immediately in fear of worse.

Good lord that's the headlines they are putting out? Easy to see why I cut them out.

Your avatar perfectly fits your posts.

That's my concern, it has been proven many a time in history that absolute autocrat will do absolutely insane things if back into a corner.

Putin as power hungry as he is a moderate compared to some of those around him too, if he gets toppled by the wrong person then, well, ww3 is a real possibility.

My posts are causing your butthurt like MRE Toilet Paper.

Well put. I agree.

They gave a shit ton of them to Syria.

They are having serious logistical problems with their railroad rolling stock making the 16,000 km round trip to NK. You would have thought the Russians would have fixed the track and road bed problem after the Russian/Sino war a 120 years ago.  The rolling stock is getting all beat to shit on the trip. A high percentage of the ill maintained freight cars are breaking down.

Which they want to take?

They can’t operate in NBC environments