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Posted: 6/17/2023 3:12:21 AM EDT
[#1]
Safety on is the correct answer.
Anyone who says off is a safety violator and needs to be re-educated. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 3:13:25 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a round chambered? If not, swap mags, chamber a round, then safety on. If so, safety on, swap mags. If thinking is too hard, you shouldn't be shooting. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 3:24:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Safety on is the correct answer. Anyone who says off is a safety violator and needs to be re-educated. I am a follower of the safety science, but a speed reload is done with the finger off the trigger, weapon oriented to the threat, and with intent to fire. Safety off in a speed reload satisfies the USMC-specific weapons safety rules. Tactical reloads = safety on 100% |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 3:30:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So in this instance I cannot follow the "safety on while reloading" or it would be very clunky to attempt that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you have a round chambered? If not, swap mags, chamber a round, then safety on. If so, safety on, swap mags. If thinking is too hard, you shouldn't be shooting. Yes. That tends to be understood in these discussions, since there are instances with certain firearms where the selector/safety cannot be moved. Pedantry abounds. ETA: It's a little clunky to say "safety on during reloads except when impossible" but maybe it needs to be explained. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 3:54:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am a follower of the safety science, but a speed reload is done with the finger off the trigger, weapon oriented to the threat, and with intent to fire. Safety off in a speed reload satisfies the USMC-specific weapons safety rules. Tactical reloads = safety on 100% Nah man. Put it on safe. It'll immediately tell if you have a malfunction if it won't go on safe. You should be transitioning to a pistol anyway and primary goes on safe as you transition. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 4:05:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. That tends to be understood in these discussions, since there are instances with certain firearms where the selector/safety cannot be moved. Pedantry abounds. ETA: It's a little clunky to say "safety on during reloads except when impossible" but maybe it needs to be explained. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 4:28:37 AM EDT
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Safety on until an imminent threat has been properly ID'ed and follow the four rules.
So if I am already pointing the gun with my sights aligned, I have obviously made the decision to shoot at that point. This means that I'm going to destroy whom it's pointed at until they're no longer a threat no matter how many mags it takes to do so, then the safety goes back on. Even if this is part of a drill that requires a mag change and am still engaging targets then still no, as I am still following the four rules. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 4:30:04 AM EDT
[#8]
The answer is… It depends.
If it’s an admin reload where I’m in cover and I’ve already looked around for more threats, but not actively engaging a threat. Yeah, because at this point, I’ve already got the safety back on, since I’m not currently shooting something. If I’m in the middle of shooting some fuckers, my focus is getting my gun back up as fast as possible. No need to add additional steps to this process. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 4:40:39 AM EDT
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LE rifle instructor for many years.
Speed reloads we don't engage the safety. Tactical reloads the safety is on. Two completely different reloads done under two completely differing circumstances and time/threat constraints. I'm always open to adopt new techniques but nothing I've seen in this thread has convinced me to deviate from the above. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 4:44:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question here... Do you do the same with every firearm that has a safety (including bolt rifles, pistols, and shotguns), or just with an AR? Yes. And I went further, every firearm I carry defensively has a safety. I decided to do that not so much because I wanted a safety on everything, but because I have a safety on some things, and I wanted no variation in my muscle memory. No "which gun is it I have today.. is there a safety?" - there's a safety, and I always flip it. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 5:29:41 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't know. I don't carry a personal protection pistol with a safety. Just saying. Safety on |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 5:56:27 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. And I went further, every firearm I carry defensively has a safety. I decided to do that not so much because I wanted a safety on everything, but because I have a safety on some things, and I wanted no variation in my muscle memory. No "which gun is it I have today.. is there a safety?" - there's a safety, and I always flip it. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 6:06:04 AM EDT
[#13]
Safety flicking only works when done in between robotic movements.
I’ve gotten rid of all of my Glocks because none of them had a safety. They were just too dangerous. Also, when I’m recording myself handling guns, I always perform a safety check for the camera so that the viewers can be safe from ND’s. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 6:11:00 AM EDT
[#14]
If your hand is off the grip, then the safety should be on or the rifle stored unloaded. Otherwise, why?
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Posted: 6/17/2023 6:24:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Off. Train how you fight. On. Train how professionals fight. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 6:27:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not putting the safety on for mag changes. How stupid Don't you sell insurance. Hmm. Can I interest you in some competency? No? You just said you're going to reload a gun and chamber a round with the safety off in a high stress environment. Would you insure that? |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 6:29:52 AM EDT
[#17]
I want to see all you safety on people do your speed reloads with an M9
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Posted: 6/17/2023 6:51:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't you sell insurance. Hmm. Can I interest you in some competency? No? You just said you're going to reload a gun and chamber a round with the safety off in a high stress environment. Would you insure that? |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 7:03:06 AM EDT
[#19]
Literally shocked to see a discussion here. Based on the thread title I assumed this was a troll thread.
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Posted: 6/17/2023 7:04:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends. Am I in a firefight? Will I need to shoot again RFN? Then it's off. If I'm plinking/target shooting or on a busy range, it's on. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 7:05:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2023 7:05:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2023 7:16:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought this was the new standard, safety on during reloads. And, I thought this was discussed and rehashed at least 5 years ago. I also remember a discussion about this during an old Primary/Secondary podcast and even some of the guys that were trained not to do it agree that they should do it.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjse5gepntEThis is the way, muscle memory. If you are not engaging target, it should be on. YMMV |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 7:32:07 AM EDT
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Twist rifle to throw mag at next person over to establish dominance. Safety on. Scan left and right. Insert mag. Scan left and right. Hit bolt release. Scan left and right. Flip safety off and immediately back on. Scan left and right. Strike a pose. Repeat from the beginning.
Saves cost in ammo and looks operator AF. (If I’m ever in a group firefight I hope the people I’m with don’t do something ridiculous like putting the safety on in an active engagement situation during a mag change.) |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 7:36:10 AM EDT
[#25]
I engage the safety while transitioning between targets in an array.
One can never be too safe. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 7:43:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Safety flicking only works when done in between robotic movements. I’ve gotten rid of all of my Glocks because none of them had a safety. They were just too dangerous. Also, when I’m recording myself handling guns, I always perform a safety check for the camera so that the viewers can be safe from ND’s. I haven't lost my sense of humor, have I? ... what you wrote is sarcasm... isn't it? |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 7:47:30 AM EDT
[#27]
I put the safety on in between shots. I've worn out 3 safety switches so far on my AR, but gun safety is Paramount.
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Posted: 6/17/2023 7:55:27 AM EDT
[#28]
Maybe it makes sense for a paper punching range toy
But on reliable rifles the safety stops you from chambering the first round |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 8:00:17 AM EDT
[#29]
Safety on. While competition may not require it, competition rules are not real. Most people who carry a rifle professionally have to work around standards, policies, procedures and norms that dictate this decision.
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Posted: 6/17/2023 8:00:18 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I put the safety on in between shots. I've worn out 3 safety switches so far on my AR, but gun safety is Paramount. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 8:18:54 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I put the safety on in between shots. I've worn out 3 safety switches so far on my AR, but gun safety is Paramount. This is the way, buncha amateurs all up in this thread… |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 8:26:31 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm going to keep the gun pointed at the target it's not going on safe. If it's coming off target then it's on safe. That's because it keeps my muscle memory simple: on target, off safe / off target, on safe in all situations |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 8:35:46 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun is empty, why put it on safe? You only reload when the gun is empty? You're doing it wrong. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 8:40:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That. Retarded government nonsense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m not putting the safety on for mag changes. How stupid That. Retarded government nonsense.  Rifle Shooting Drill. Mag Change. Athlon Outdoors Ballistic magazine |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 8:42:57 AM EDT
[#35]
Empty = emergency reload = no safety. I'm only emergency loading because I ran the gun dry and am actively under threat.
Bullets still in mag but getting low + a few moments + cover = tactical reload = safety can go on. It probably is already on in that scenario. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 8:47:25 AM EDT
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for the OP - do you turn on the safety when you do make changes for your pistol? (whether it be a 1911 or a Glock).
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Posted: 6/17/2023 8:49:14 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should get better instructors. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ve never taken a single class in which a single instructor thought it was a good idea to engage the safety on mag changes. You should get better instructors. @MadMonkey +1 I’ve taken classes at Sig Sauer Academy since 2003 and every instructor has taught safety on during mag changes. Almost all of them have been current/former LEO or current/former military, many of them both. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 8:59:48 AM EDT
[#38]
On for me because that’s how I was trained. Ive done enough repetitions that I don’t have to think about it. I only have relevant training with M16/M4, but I can flip the safety off quicker than my support hand can get back on the forend every time, regardless of the scenario.
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Posted: 6/17/2023 9:13:28 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends. Am I in a firefight? Will I need to shoot again RFN? Then it's off. If I'm plinking/target shooting or on a busy range, it's on. This is the correct answer. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 9:21:54 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Off. Train how you fight. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 9:27:00 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And if you're doing it fast adding unnecessary administrative movements is going to be awesome. If you run dry, then your safety is gonna be off. Leave it off and change mags. If there is a lull, chances are you are moving or stationary behind cover and have already gone back to safe. Leave it on and top off. If for whatever reason you are not stationary or moving, then leave it off and top if you want. Im not real sure what you're so confused about or even going on about. I in no way suggested doing anything that isn't already widely accepted practice or how circumstances would end up. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 9:29:58 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The thread was about magazine changes or reloading. Yes, which means you put the safety on. Fuck this isn’t hard. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 9:30:31 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my rifle of choice. Do I still follow safety on or off during mag changes? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/346870/PSA-Type-56-feature_jpg-2854233.JPG Stop using trash. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 9:31:14 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Twist rifle to throw mag at next person over to establish dominance. Safety on. Scan left and right. Insert mag. Scan left and right. Hit bolt release. Scan left and right. Flip safety off and immediately back on. Scan left and right. Strike a pose. Repeat from the beginning. Saves cost in ammo and looks operator AF. (If I’m ever in a group firefight I hope the people I’m with don’t do something ridiculous like putting the safety on in an active engagement situation during a mag change.) If I'm ever in a group firefight I hope they do but I know their 3D printed gats will be too busy falling apart to get that far into winning. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 9:38:59 AM EDT
[#45]
I put safety on when changing mag and when ever not ready to shoot.
But my AR is an open bolt MG. Mac10 lage ar upper so different animal 
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Posted: 6/17/2023 9:42:28 AM EDT
[#46]
Emergency reload = no safety. Just one more thing to possibly fuck up if you are in a gunfight. I'm quicker not using it, even though people tell me I can be as quick if I use the safety. Don't care. Muzzle is downrange toward the threat AND my finger is off the trigger during the reload.
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Posted: 6/17/2023 9:54:24 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: it was never on to begin with My man..... |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 9:58:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my rifle of choice. Do I still follow safety on or off during mag changes? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/346870/PSA-Type-56-feature_jpg-2854233.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my rifle of choice. Do I still follow safety on or off during mag changes? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/346870/PSA-Type-56-feature_jpg-2854233.JPG It doesn't matter; the trash can will catch any NDs caused by tripping while reloading on the move. Quoted: Beretta 92, 1911, AK pattern, AR15, Remington shotgun, Mossberg shotgun, SxS shotgun with tang safety, Glock, P320, M1903, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, etc.... are all really really different. If you are flipping the safety on all these when you reload God praise to you for knowing every manual of arms under duress. Personally I don't use the safety while reloading because I alternate between training with AR and an 1866 Chassepot and I want to keep a consistent manual of arms. Some people might say that it's stupid to train to fight with both a modern, highly ergonomic rifle and an antique, but I do it anyway. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 10:12:07 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryNot me, I want to slap people when they call a magazine a clip. 
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Posted: 6/17/2023 10:15:17 AM EDT
[#50]
With an AR, it’s just become muscle memory to safe the gun after I’m done pulling the trigger, so that’s what I do.
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