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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:22:17 PM EST
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Remember China always plays the long game....10-20 years for them is nothing.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:48:16 PM EST
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Curious what they'll use as a E-2 type aircraft
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:54:55 PM EST
[#3]
Pretty cool casinos they got there.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 3:59:43 PM EST
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A ChiCom reverse-engineered copy of a Kuznetsov Class “carrier.” /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/laugh-29.gif |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:03:31 PM EST
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Let's hope it works |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:03:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing says fuck that ship like |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:05:16 PM EST
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Nukes is the correct answer. China has enabled THEIR proxy, North Korea, to have a nuclear capability. OUR proxies (Taiwan, South Korea, Japan) should have the same capability. I would be surprised if South Korea and Taiwan don't have a similar setup. All three countries have had fairly well functioning civilian nuclear power programs for decades. With F35s and a bunch of other fun toys coming online the Chinese and Norks are several generations of weapons tech out of date. In the event of a war they would probably try their usual 'Zerg Rush' tactic. But I doubt it would work. F35s feeding data to Tomahawk missiles launched from a single Ohio class SSGN conversion would make an awful mess of the people's liberation... Whatever. And I think we have more than one of those... |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:06:39 PM EST
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At the cost of how many helos / tilt-rotars from being staged for launch? Remember the primary purpose of a LHA is to land organic killer robots, not serve as a mini aircraft carrier. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:14:51 PM EST
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Actually, the Brits figured it out and clued us in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because they suck. We figured out in the 40's that catapults allowed heavier takeoff weights which helps in tons of ways. We didn't need to worry about how much money we'd save by having a carrier with short range aircraft. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:22:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Brits are stricken with a tiny military budget relatively speaking and don't desire to have much force projection. Their submarine force seems particularly overworked and under-equipped. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:38:49 PM EST
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Looks like they copied the Russian design, still the wonky bow ramp. If they didn't improve the power plant then they might as well just skip to the "set it on fire" phase. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:39:54 PM EST
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So this is another one of those ski-jump jobs? Serious question: Why hasn't the US ever gone with the ski jump? |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:41:30 PM EST
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The next one reportedly has catapults. They bought the HMAS Melbourne for scrapping in 1985 and finally got around to it sometime in 2000, after giving it a good going over. The Aussies reportedly left all the flight ops equipment in place. Allegedly some ChiCom pilots got some training on a land-based mock-up. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:43:51 PM EST
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I thought carriers were rendered obsolete by cheap hypervelocity ASM's. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:44:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Chinese spent time on the Brazilian carrier. Guess who trained the Brazilians? ETA: these are training carriers. They are training the first cadre of aviators,maintainers,launch and recovery personnel as well as establishing doctrine. They will have carriers comparable to France,at least,soon. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:45:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still, I wonder why they didn't put one on the America class LHA's. Wouldn't a ski jump let you launch heavier than going straight up off the deck in VTOL mode? |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 4:46:33 PM EST
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Looks like they copied the Russian design, still the wonky bow ramp. If they didn't improve the power plant then they might as well just skip to the "set it on fire" phase. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:00:14 PM EST
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OOOOOOOHHHHHHHhhhhhh…… China just launched its second, almost a baby carrier. SCARRY...…
Meanwhile in Norfolk, CVN 79 USS John F Kennedy is commissioned 
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:06:50 PM EST
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I'll bet it smells like Harbor Freight x100
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:09:35 PM EST
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Are they selling them at Harbor Freight yet?
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:11:07 PM EST
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Wonder if Russia will sell their last carrier to China. Maybe up for sale...slightly used. 
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:14:15 PM EST
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I thought carriers were rendered obsolete by cheap hypervelocity ASM's. No more so than soldiers were rendered obsolete by bullets, airplanes were rendered obsolete by anti-air guns and missiles, and ground vehicles were rendered obsolete by IEDs. Just because a carrier is an important asset that isn't entirely invincible doesn't mean we phase out the concept of having mobile airports we can park anywhere on earth. Just like with bullets for soldiers and IEDs for trucks, we develop technologies and tactics to mitigate the threat and just deal with the rest of the risk. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:22:25 PM EST
[#23]
They are the next major threat.
And they will have to be dealt with by children of the majority of posters here. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:31:07 PM EST
[#24]
Needs to be named the Walmart II.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:32:37 PM EST
[#25]
brace yourselves for all the self professed experts showing us how crappy Chinese tech is
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:37:45 PM EST
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Cool another tiny tot light cruiser with a parking ramp...these will make great practice targets.
Honestly why is it only the US and WWII Japanese could make anything close to real carriers without the autistic special needs ramps? Does any one else not know about steam (yes steam era) catapults or later variants? Holy fuck man... at least make it use hydraulics, electrics or some shit rather than stupid motor cycle jump ramps like evil Kenevil used in the 70's. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:38:07 PM EST
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Because they suck. We figured out in the 40's that catapults allowed heavier takeoff weights which helps in tons of ways. We didn't need to worry about how much money we'd save by having a carrier with short range aircraft. It's not like steam catapults and the arresting systems are top secret, I'm sure they were stolen decades ago.. so why not use them? to build a smaller boat? |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:39:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Deadtired No more so than soldiers were rendered obsolete by bullets, airplanes were rendered obsolete by anti-air guns and missiles, and ground vehicles were rendered obsolete by IEDs. Just because a carrier is an important asset that isn't entirely invincible doesn't mean we phase out the concept of having mobile airports we can park anywhere on earth. Just like with bullets for soldiers and IEDs for trucks, we develop technologies and tactics to mitigate the threat and just deal with the rest of the risk. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:44:12 PM EST
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No worries, it's made in china
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:46:47 PM EST
[#30]
never underestimate China
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:47:16 PM EST
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Let's hope it works better for them than the Russians. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 5:50:12 PM EST
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Wonder if Russia will sell their last carrier to China. Maybe up for sale...slightly used. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 11:02:45 AM EST
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brace yourselves for all the self professed experts showing us how crappy Chinese tech is |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 11:04:26 AM EST
[#34]
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Cool another tiny tot light cruiser with a parking ramp...these will make great practice targets. Honestly why is it only the US and WWII Japanese could make anything close to real carriers without the autistic special needs ramps? Does any one else not know about steam (yes steam era) catapults or later variants? Holy fuck man... at least make it use hydraulics, electrics or some shit rather than stupid motor cycle jump ramps like evil Kenevil used in the 70's. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 11:21:53 AM EST
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OOOOOOOHHHHHHHhhhhhh…… China just launched its second, almost a baby carrier. SCARRY...… Meanwhile in Norfolk, CVN 79 USS John F Kennedy is commissioned https://i.redd.it/7hsokmylujv31.jpg Chinese shipbuilding over the last 10 years. http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2018/06/keeping-eye-on-long-game-part-lxxiv.html In 2009 they had 0 carriers. Now they have two. In the same time period we also did 2 (Bush and Ford). They've done a lot of other stuff too. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 11:23:35 AM EST
[#36]
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Honestly why is it only the US and WWII Japanese could make anything close to real carriers without the autistic special needs ramps? Does any one else not know about steam (yes steam era) catapults or later variants? 
The Brits invented the steam catapult, they gave us the concept to us. Prior to that we had tried and used a variety of other methods (to include gunpowder). The ship the Chi-coms bought and studied was post WW2 UK built. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 11:28:05 AM EST
[#37]
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Cool another tiny tot light cruiser with a parking ramp...these will make great practice targets. Honestly why is it only the US and WWII Japanese could make anything close to real carriers without the autistic special needs ramps? Does any one else not know about steam (yes steam era) catapults or later variants? Holy fuck man... at least make it use hydraulics, electrics or some shit rather than stupid motor cycle jump ramps like evil Kenevil used in the 70's. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 11:52:36 AM EST
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A real carrier does not have a ski jump on the bow.
So the number is still zero. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:02:08 PM EST
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The Royal Navy is falling to pieces. Their submarine force seems particularly overworked and under-equipped. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The Brits are stricken with a tiny military budget relatively speaking and don't desire to have much force projection. Their submarine force seems particularly overworked and under-equipped. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:11:52 PM EST
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Don't forget to put in the scuttling valves that allow them to sink it to put out the fire... Or in Chinese Sea Dong. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:21:36 PM EST
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Just a rehash of an outdated soviet design the sold from Ukraine in 1985. Conventional steam propulsion and ski-jump take off ramp.
All quality Chinese manufacturing I am sure. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:24:00 PM EST
[#42]
I bet the cooks make a mean bowl of noodles.
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:24:48 PM EST
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OOOOOOOHHHHHHHhhhhhh…… China just launched its second, almost a baby carrier. SCARRY...… Meanwhile in Norfolk, CVN 79 USS John F Kennedy is commissioned https://i.redd.it/7hsokmylujv31.jpg |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:33:15 PM EST
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See below... And possibly not just steam cats, but EMALS. From 2018: China's Next Aircraft Carrier Will Be a Massive Leap Forward From 2017: Analysis: Chinese aircraft carrier program progressing substantially into the new year -------------------- The limitations of STOBAR have prompted China to continuing to pursue the development of catapults for launching its carrier-based aircraft. Satellite photos of the air base at Huludao show that China has constructed two parallel catapults, and analysts tell Defense News that it appears one of the catapults is an Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System while the other is a conventional steam catapult, based on satellite photos of the inside of the catapults during construction. Construction of the catapults was completed sometime between June and October 2016, with a satellite photo published by DigitalGlobe in mid-October showing a J-15 preparing to line up on one of the catapults. A photo of a PLAN J-15 with what appears to be a catapult launch bar on its nose wheel used to couple the aircraft to the catapult of the carrier during the launch sequence had surfaced the month before, adding further weight to the evidence that PLAN intends to switch to catapult-assisted takeoff but arrested recovery (CATOBAR) aircraft operations onboard its future carriers. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/D8uLWs2tMXVAiYzNhBWVdz8EPF4=/600x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/X6LWE5LOU5BJBIZ7HAIABEBBOU.jpg China has built two land-based catapult systems at a PLAN base near Huludao, Liaoning province. It is believed they became operational by October 2016. The construction of both types of catapults at Huludao suggests that China is exploring both technologies and has yet to decide on which type of catapult it will install on its future carriers. Chinese state media reported in 2014 that the country had reverse-engineered a land-based replica of the steam catapult and landing system from the Australian aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne, which had been sold for scrap to a Chinese company in 1985. Rear Adm. Song Xue, then-deputy chief of staff of the PLAN, had already confirmed as far back as 2013 that China would build more carriers that would be larger and with more aircraft-carrying capacity than the Liaoning. The first of these carriers, tentatively designated the Type 002, is expected to be able to conduct CATOBAR operations. https://i.imgur.com/KjQTXTO.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have they figured out how to make the powerplant work in this one? And it's still a shitty ski jump CV. Wake me up when they have CATOBAR and the training to use it effectively. Quoted:
The next one reportedly has catapults. They bought the HMAS Melbourne for scrapping in 1985 and finally got around to it sometime in 2000, after giving it a good going over. The Aussies reportedly left all the flight ops equipment in place. Allegedly some ChiCom pilots got some training on a land-based mock-up. From 2018: China's Next Aircraft Carrier Will Be a Massive Leap Forward From 2017: Analysis: Chinese aircraft carrier program progressing substantially into the new year -------------------- The limitations of STOBAR have prompted China to continuing to pursue the development of catapults for launching its carrier-based aircraft. Satellite photos of the air base at Huludao show that China has constructed two parallel catapults, and analysts tell Defense News that it appears one of the catapults is an Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System while the other is a conventional steam catapult, based on satellite photos of the inside of the catapults during construction. Construction of the catapults was completed sometime between June and October 2016, with a satellite photo published by DigitalGlobe in mid-October showing a J-15 preparing to line up on one of the catapults. A photo of a PLAN J-15 with what appears to be a catapult launch bar on its nose wheel used to couple the aircraft to the catapult of the carrier during the launch sequence had surfaced the month before, adding further weight to the evidence that PLAN intends to switch to catapult-assisted takeoff but arrested recovery (CATOBAR) aircraft operations onboard its future carriers. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/D8uLWs2tMXVAiYzNhBWVdz8EPF4=/600x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/X6LWE5LOU5BJBIZ7HAIABEBBOU.jpg China has built two land-based catapult systems at a PLAN base near Huludao, Liaoning province. It is believed they became operational by October 2016. The construction of both types of catapults at Huludao suggests that China is exploring both technologies and has yet to decide on which type of catapult it will install on its future carriers. Chinese state media reported in 2014 that the country had reverse-engineered a land-based replica of the steam catapult and landing system from the Australian aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne, which had been sold for scrap to a Chinese company in 1985. Rear Adm. Song Xue, then-deputy chief of staff of the PLAN, had already confirmed as far back as 2013 that China would build more carriers that would be larger and with more aircraft-carrying capacity than the Liaoning. The first of these carriers, tentatively designated the Type 002, is expected to be able to conduct CATOBAR operations. https://i.imgur.com/KjQTXTO.jpg I think there was talk of plans for doing something similar to the Brit carriers, minus the 100k workers, death and a month. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:40:46 PM EST
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The next one reportedly has catapults. They bought the HMAS Melbourne for scrapping in 1985 and finally got around to it sometime in 2000, after giving it a good going over. The Aussies reportedly left all the flight ops equipment in place. Allegedly some ChiCom pilots got some training on a land-based mock-up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have they figured out how to make the powerplant work in this one? And it's still a shitty ski jump CV. Wake me up when they have CATOBAR and the training to use it effectively. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:45:40 PM EST
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Built in 1964 put to sea in 1968 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OOOOOOOHHHHHHHhhhhhh…… China just launched its second, almost a baby carrier. SCARRY...… Meanwhile in Norfolk, CVN 79 USS John F Kennedy is commissioned https://i.redd.it/7hsokmylujv31.jpg CVN-79 is the new Ford-class carrier that is named for JFK. Christened on 7 Dec 2019, launched on 16 Dec. Due to be in service next year. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:50:01 PM EST
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In this thread the armchair admirals are laughing at the CCP newly acquired naval capability while on the other hand can't figure out why the US still has problem fighting goatfuckers living in caves. Five years ago PLAN didn't have any carriers.
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:51:07 PM EST
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Two man made reefs in the making?
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:51:39 PM EST
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never underestimate China |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 12:52:44 PM EST
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Built in 1964 put to sea in 1968 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OOOOOOOHHHHHHHhhhhhh…… China just launched its second, almost a baby carrier. SCARRY...… Meanwhile in Norfolk, CVN 79 USS John F Kennedy is commissioned https://i.redd.it/7hsokmylujv31.jpg 
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