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Posted: 12/20/2018 10:12:05 PM EDT

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ISIS is almost totally eliminated, Trump will take a victory lap while Mattis will be left babbling about some supposedly bigger reason that no one will ever articulate.

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isis is practically eliminated but technically it is not totally 100% eliminated and technically there’s a few trying to get a guerilla campaign going in Iraq as of this month. See Iraqi News for details https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/12/09/after-defeat-in-iraq-isis-fights-on-in-last-enclave-in-syria/

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:13:51 PM EDT

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With complete with drawl it's not like we can still watch them 24/7 with spy satellites and bomb the shit of them from the sky. Oh they want to build a new training camp? Sure we can drop another MOAB on them.

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You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:13:57 PM EDT

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Didn't ISIS just execute 700 prisoners the other day?

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Yeah, pretty shitty of them to off some female civilians but isis going isis unfortunately

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:14:32 PM EDT

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I'm conflicted. I liked mattis, I also dont mind seeing Joes come home to their families with all of their arms and legs.

I think there are wars worth fighting, but we need to choose them carefully and get out as quickly as we can. So leaving Syria doesn't bother me...it also doesn't mean we can go back if need be or just adjust our foot print as needed.

If ISIS wasn't the reason we were there...what geopolitical imperative was worth our effort?

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Preventing Iranian hegemony of the middle east.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:14:55 PM EDT

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isis is practically eliminated but technically totally eliminated and technically there's a few trying to get a guerilla campaign going in Iraq as of this month. See Iraqi News for details https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/12/09/after-defeat-in-iraq-isis-fights-on-in-last-enclave-in-syria/

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ISIS is almost totally eliminated, Trump will take a victory lap while Mattis will be left babbling about some supposedly bigger reason that no one will ever articulate.

isis is practically eliminated but technically totally eliminated and technically there's a few trying to get a guerilla campaign going in Iraq as of this month. See Iraqi News for details https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/12/09/after-defeat-in-iraq-isis-fights-on-in-last-enclave-in-syria/

Well, they're still killing people wholesale...

ISIS Executes More Than 700 Prisoners and Detainees, Transfers Hundreds to the West of Euphrates

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:15:19 PM EDT

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The between the lines subtext of that letter is very damning.

Please spell it out for me.

"Boss, you fucking suck at the geostrategic level, and I cannot support you or work with you anymore."

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:15:38 PM EDT

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? Bolton, Mattis and others flat out said Iran. You can disagree with that assessment but it was voiced, though many think it was a bad idea to voice it https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/bolton-us-forces-will-stay-in-syria-until-iran-and-its-proxies-depart/2018/09/24/be389eb8-c020-11e8-92f2-ac26fda68341_story.html?utm_term=.034689625506 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/227A0830-2872-4E10-9360-320830FC9D95_jpeg-779471.JPG

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If you want to get it on with Iran...round up the Saudis and anyone else that wants them gone and go after them. Proxy wars take forever and get unpredictable.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:16:35 PM EDT

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There are less then 600 isis fighters left holed up in one small town that the syrian army can easily take. We currently have around 2000 troops in Syria.

Tora Bora?

Those numbers are utter horse shit.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:17:37 PM EDT

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Well, they're still killing people wholesale...

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Yeah I saw the pics. Pretty shitty but this was where al qaeda and isis split. isis felt any civilians not on their side were viable targets and al qaeda felt only western civilians should be targeted

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:18:09 PM EDT

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There are great starters and great closers and a good leader knows when to make the switch.

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Remember when picking Mattis was proof of Trump’s brilliance?

There are great starters and great closers and a good leader knows when to make the switch.

I agree. A good leader does know these things.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:18:25 PM EDT

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I get not wanting to be the world's cop, but if we're not going to do that, our rivals (Russia, China, Iran, etc.) will.

We were holding Syrian oil fields, which gave us a say in things while pummeling ISIS. Now Iran or Russia will control that.

But Trump knows more than all the generals, so I'm sure it's going to turn out fine.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:18:42 PM EDT

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Preventing Iranian hegemony of the middle east.

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I'm conflicted. I liked mattis, I also dont mind seeing Joes come home to their families with all of their arms and legs.

I think there are wars worth fighting, but we need to choose them carefully and get out as quickly as we can. So leaving Syria doesn't bother me...it also doesn't mean we can go back if need be or just adjust our foot print as needed.

If ISIS wasn't the reason we were there...what geopolitical imperative was worth our effort?

Preventing Iranian hegemony of the middle east.

Well in that case nobody did more to help Iranian hegemony along then Bush by inadvertently handing it over to Iran ostensibly. Great strategeeery!

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:19:22 PM EDT

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If you want to get it on with Iran...round up the Saudis and anyone else that wants them gone and go after them. Proxy wars take forever and get unpredictable.

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Iran sure loves its proxy wars and the Saudis don’t really fight for the most part. They hire mercenaries or beg others to at least lead the way

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:22:14 PM EDT

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What proof do you have that they are almost totally eliminated?

None.

Because it’s complete horseshit.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:22:43 PM EDT

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If 9/11 never happened and if we had no military at all. Question, where do you think we'd be on the border? I'm guessing if we had no national debt, no terrorist threats or military enemies and 9/11 never happened that we'd be in the same situation of Pelosi saying "it's immoral" to build a wall and Congress dragging its feet on paying for a wall

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If we treated the communist migrants as seriously of a threat as we treated these middle eastern shitholes, we absolutely could have had a wall and stronger immigration policies. It helps when we're actually able to keep the socialists migrants away from the voting boxes, by not allowing them here in the first place. We're rapidly approaching critical mass before it's impossible to ever have conservative control of washington again because we simply can't outvote all the imported voters. And who knows, we probably could have prevented 9/11 with much stronger border and immigration controls.

Here's a question, are the perpetual nation-building warhawks still going to be calling for us to get involved in every skirmish abroad after the socialists take control, completely open the borders, give the migrants the right to vote, we wind up reaching critical mass and are never able to elect another conservative majority again?

Are the happenings in Kandahar Afghanistan still going to be of critical importance to you when you have the boot of Ocasio Cortez and 10s of millions of socialists latin-american migrants on your throat?

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:22:51 PM EDT

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Fairly mixed feelings about all this, but the one thing I keep coming back to is a simple question:

What was the attainable and determinable end-state in the ME required for the US to pull out our troops?

I'm going to bet that no one can give a deterministic answer, and that any answer given will have so many qualifications and squishy conditionals that the US would NEVER be able to attain them.

Better for us to pull out and just be done with it. A neverending war (which is EXACTLY what we have) is not a solution regardless what some want. Far better for us to have a definitive end, and deal with the resulting consequences than to be stuck in an endless quagmire.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:22:58 PM EDT

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Resigning because Trump wants to finally pull out and save the US some coin.

Oh the humanity. Maybe now we can actually focus on America's #1 Geopolitical threat... Not the borders between Syria and Turkey, not the borders between Afghanistan and Iran.... the actual fucking invasion that is happening on our own soil.

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We can shit out $45 billion annually in perpetuity for an unwinnable conflict in Afghanistan, but we can't even pay for a fucking wall to keep these communists out? Yeah, I'd say it's about time we get our priorities straight.

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This.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:26:59 PM EDT

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I'm conflicted. I liked mattis, I also dont mind seeing Joes come home to their families with all of their arms and legs.

I think there are wars worth fighting, but we need to choose them carefully and get out as quickly as we can. So leaving Syria doesn't bother me...it also doesn't mean we can't go back if need be or just adjust our foot print as needed.

If ISIS wasn't the reason we were there...what geopolitical imperative was worth our effort?

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This.

We had absolutely no good reason to even be there.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:27:47 PM EDT

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? Bolton, Mattis and others flat out said Iran. You can disagree with that assessment but it was voiced, though many think it was a bad idea to voice it https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/bolton-us-forces-will-stay-in-syria-until-iran-and-its-proxies-depart/2018/09/24/be389eb8-c020-11e8-92f2-ac26fda68341_story.html?utm_term=.034689625506 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/227A0830-2872-4E10-9360-320830FC9D95_jpeg-779471.JPG

If you want to get it on with Iran...round up the Saudis and anyone else that wants them gone and go after them. Proxy wars take forever and get unpredictable.

Our Senators who want us to stray in Syria to confront Iran, want us to break with Saudia Arabia because they whacked a ISlamic Brotherhood buddy playing footsie with Iran.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:27:56 PM EDT

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Call me crazy but I think getting out of Syria and a deep troop reduction in Afghanistan is real winning and if Gen. Hand-Grenade and the saber rattlers in Congress take offence then, well, fuck them.

Let's put it all in perspective....

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Even if those numbers are off by 25% illegals kill more Americans in a year than OBL or the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor. Let that sink in.

Now, where should our troop strength be concentrated.....On our border or in some sand-land?

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Troop reduction happened. Obama reduced forces from 100,000 to 9,800 and the Taliban seized or contests 55% of Afghanistan now. If you oppose US forces staying in Afghanistan, an interesting guy to read is Bill Roggio’s Long War journal. A lot of what everyone is debating on this thread he already covers

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:31:15 PM EDT

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Fairly mixed feelings about all this, but the one thing I keep coming back to is a simple question:

What was the attainable and determinable end-state in the ME required for the US to pull out our troops?

I'm going to bet that no one can give a deterministic answer, and that any answer given will have so many qualifications and squishy conditionals that the US would NEVER be able to attain them.

Better for us to pull out and just be done with it. A neverending war (which is EXACTLY what we have) is not a solution regardless what some want. Far better for us to have a definitive end, and deal with the resulting consequences than to be stuck in an endless quagmire.

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People have been asking that on twitter, on tv, on Facebook, and no one gives an answer. In fact one expert said the DOD & Mattis's plan for Afghanistan was the same one they have been pushing for years. Effectively slaughtering people to the lynch pin is the only option that would work and no one in the Pentagon has the balls to put it on paper in a formal briefing.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:32:01 PM EDT

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If we treated the communist migrants as seriously of a threat as we treated these middle eastern shitholes, we absolutely could have had a wall and stronger immigration policies. It helps when we're actually able to keep the socialists migrants away from the voting boxes, by not allowing them here in the first place. We're rapidly approaching critical mass before it's impossible to ever have conservative control of washington again because we simply can't outvote all the imported voters. And who knows, we probably could have prevented 9/11 with much stronger border and immigration controls.

Here's a question, are the perpetual nation-building warhawks still going to be calling for us to get involved in every skirmish abroad after the socialists take control, completely open the borders, give the migrants the right to vote, we wind up reaching critical mass and are never able to elect another conservative majority again?

Are the happenings in Kandahar Afghanistan still going to be of critical importance to you when you have the boot of Ocasio Cortez and 10s of millions of socialists latin-american migrants on your throat?

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? So you feel if there was no military no Afghanistan and no wars overseas the Congress would take immigration and building a wall seriously? Yes or no will suffice

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:33:21 PM EDT

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Fairly mixed feelings about all this, but the one thing I keep coming back to is a simple question:

What was the attainable and determinable end-state in the ME required for the US to pull out our troops?

I'm going to bet that no one can give a deterministic answer, and that any answer given will have so many qualifications and squishy conditionals that the US would NEVER be able to attain them.

Better for us to pull out and just be done with it. A neverending war (which is EXACTLY what we have) is not a solution regardless what some want. Far better for us to have a definitive end, and deal with the resulting consequences than to be stuck in an endless quagmire.

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https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2018-featured-story-archive/anniversary-of-us-embassy-bombings-in-east-africa.html

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:34:11 PM EDT

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You think that those 2,000 troops in Syria are all about ISIS? That’s cute.

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Like I said there will be all kinds of "real" reasons for Mattis resigning because the official one looks so bad.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:34:39 PM EDT

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This fucking sucks but he looks old and tired & Trump is probably an asshole of a boss.

I had no idea he was 68. I thought he was 80.

Mattis has done enough, he can write a book and go fishing.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:36:34 PM EDT

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Isn't the CIA running everything anyway?

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:36:45 PM EDT

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Our Senators who want us to stray in Syria to confront Iran, want us to break with Saudia Arabia because they whacked a ISlamic Brotherhood buddy playing footsie with Iran.

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Yeah, Congress is all over the place whether it’s funding the wall or how best to deal with Iran or Saudi Arabia. Whatever the best thing to do is, Congress struggles to do nothing and taxpayers groan as the debt grows, even if it’s something more of us agree on like repealing Obamacare, Congress can’t get it done

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:37:34 PM EDT

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How many trannies are there in the US armed forces? How many trannies are impeding the ability of the armed forces to do its job?

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GD is so deranged it is taking up for trannys in the military!!!! I'm reminded of the feminists taking up with the Muslims! GD has essentially become DU!!

I wonder what other thing GD hates that they will flip on because of feels.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:40:12 PM EDT

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Like I said there will be all kinds of "real" reasons for Mattis resigning because the official one looks so bad.

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Well, at least he packed bags unlike all the “deep state” types trying to hamstring the admin from within. Bongino isn’t the only one who’s quit .Gov

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:41:05 PM EDT

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Fairly mixed feelings about all this, but the one thing I keep coming back to is a simple question:

What was the attainable and determinable end-state in the ME required for the US to pull out our troops?

I'm going to bet that no one can give a deterministic answer, and that any answer given will have so many qualifications and squishy conditionals that the US would NEVER be able to attain them.

Better for us to pull out and just be done with it. A neverending war (which is EXACTLY what we have) is not a solution regardless what some want. Far better for us to have a definitive end, and deal with the resulting consequences than to be stuck in an endless quagmire.

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2018-featured-story-archive/anniversary-of-us-embassy-bombings-in-east-africa.html

Ok... and that says what about a DETERMINISTIC END-STATE? Give us an actual state which can be obtained to ensure that does not happen, which at the same time is not "keep our troops over there forever."

You can't.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:41:26 PM EDT

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What proof do you have that they are almost totally eliminated?

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Can you tell me who ISIS is exactly? Because bombing targets for “moderate” rebels that are probably actually ISIS is pretty fucking retarded and I’m pretty fucking sure we did it.

We have ZERO right to be Syria to begin with.

I hope Mattis takes his trannies with him.

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Posted: 12/20/2018 10:42:17 PM EDT

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This isn't good. When it comes to war, Mattis is the subject matter expert. Trump should be following his advice. What does Trump know about war? Does he really think he knows more than the generals?

I am grateful that Trump stopped Hillary. I was hoping that in time he could have been molded into a capable leader that displayed rational behavior. But with each passing day, I can only conclude that the guy is a hopeless fucktard. Trump is done. There's no way he can win re-election. He'll be lucky if he finishes out his present term.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:43:55 PM EDT

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I want off Trump's wild ride.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:44:54 PM EDT

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This isn't good. When it comes to war, Mattis is the subject matter expert. Trump should be following his advice. What does Trump know about war? Does he really think he knows more than the generals?

I am grateful that Trump stopped Hillary. I was hoping that in time he could have been molded into a capable leader that displayed rational behavior. But with each passing day, I can only conclude that the guy is a hopeless fucktard. Trump is done. There's no way he can win re-election. He'll be lucky if he finishes out his present term.

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Why are we in any wars to begin with right now?

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:45:14 PM EDT

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Simply not normal or a solid presidency. This is what everyone that didn't support Trump warned about... This administration is turning into a banana republic style of politics.

Adamant Trump supporters remind me of the South Park cop... Anything at all Obama did was utter garbage although anything bad about Trump this is them:

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Just between Chief of staff, Communications director, Press secretary, National Security Adviser, FBI director, CIA director, Trump has tore through 18 senior level folks in 2 years. Obama went through 7 in 8 years and Bush 9 in 8 years.

Simply not normal or a solid presidency. This is what everyone that didn't support Trump warned about... This administration is turning into a banana republic style of politics.

Adamant Trump supporters remind me of the South Park cop... Anything at all Obama did was utter garbage although anything bad about Trump this is them:

https://www.chronicle.com/blogs/linguafranca/files/2017/11/Nothing-to-See-15a34a2fc727c8.jpg

Yea, it's Trump that's turning us into a banana republic. Not the fact that there are two sets of laws for Democrats and the rest of us.

Not because Hillary sold influence for hundreds of millions of dollars. Not because Hillary stored SAPs on an unsecure server. Not because Hillary wiped her server and the FBI helped cover it up. Not because Obama flew pallets containing billions of dollars to Iran with no Congressional oversight. Not because Obama used bank fines as a slush fund, where instead of having the banks pay fines to the general fund, they cut a deal and had them funnel the money to left wing organizations, who in turn donated hundreds of millions to Democrats and Democrat causes.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:45:23 PM EDT

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Ok... and that says what about a DETERMINISTIC END-STATE? Give us an actual state which can be obtained to ensure that does not happen, which at the same time is not "keep our troops over there forever."

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Any other parameters you want to pile on? How about constrain ROE while you’re on a roll. Don’t stop now. Btw Japan waves hello

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:46:11 PM EDT

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Resigning because Trump wants to finally pull out and save the US some coin.

Oh the humanity. Maybe now we can actually focus on America's #1 Geopolitical threat... Not the borders between Syria and Turkey, not the borders between Afghanistan and Iran.... the actual fucking invasion that is happening on our own soil.

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https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_43/2621716/181028-migrant-caravan-al-0906_629b8917d31827524d5de50573bf0896.fit-760w.jpg

We can shit out $45 billion annually in perpetuity for an unwinnable conflict in Afghanistan, but we can't even pay for a fucking wall to keep these communists out? Yeah, I'd say it's about time we get our priorities straight.

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#1 existential threat to our country. More than China or the Soviet Union ever posed.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:46:25 PM EDT

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GD is so deranged it is taking up for trannys in the military!!!! I'm reminded of the feminists taking up with the Muslims! GD has essentially become DU!!

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How many trannies are there in the US armed forces? How many trannies are impeding the ability of the armed forces to do its job?

GD is so deranged it is taking up for trannys in the military!!!! I'm reminded of the feminists taking up with the Muslims! GD has essentially become DU!!

I wonder what other thing GD hates that they will flip on because of feels.

It is sad, useful idiocy abounds on here today. I am enjoying a new sacred cow being gored. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:46:44 PM EDT

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Can you tell me who ISIS is exactly? Because bombing targets for “moderate” rebels that are probably actually ISIS is pretty fucking retarded and I’m pretty fucking sure we did it.

We have ZERO right to be Syria to begin with.

I hope Mattis takes his trannies with him.

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So you don’t know who ISIS is but can assure me they are defeated?

Also, you should probably read up on who we are bombing targets for.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:47:40 PM EDT

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This isn't good. When it comes to war, Mattis is the subject matter expert. Trump should be following his advice. What does Trump know about war? Does he really think he knows more than the generals?.

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Generals tend to concern themselves with the "How to win wars."

Politicians tend to concern themselves with the "Why are we fighting this war, and what does 'Victory' look like."

Perhaps GEN Mattis couldn't answer the latter question to Trump's satisfaction.

I dunno if that's what happened, I'm just speculating. But I knew plenty of military officers who can "How" pretty damn well but if you ask "Why," they either go deer-in-the-headlights or sputter with rage -- to hide the fact that they don't know why either.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:48:47 PM EDT

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So you don’t know who ISIS is but can assure me they are defeated?

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I never said they were defeated. Who are we bombing targets for because all signs point to no one fucking knows.

What business do we have in another foreign county? Tell me?

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:48:50 PM EDT

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No military? Now you're putting words in my mouth. And yes, I absolutely think we could get a wall and immigration control if we had kept our eye on the ball.

And again, are you going to be so concerned about foreign shitholes when the Dems take over, amnesty the migrants, open the borders, establish their reich and plunge this country into shithole status?

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:48:52 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/20/2018 10:49:46 PM EDT

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Well in that case nobody did more to help Iranian hegemony along then Bush by inadvertently handing it over to Iran ostensibly. Great strategeeery!

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Good point.

You should definitely not vote for Bush again.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:50:19 PM EDT

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Ok... and that says what about a DETERMINISTIC END-STATE? Give us an actual state which can be obtained to ensure that does not happen, which at the same time is not "keep our troops over there forever."

You can't.

Any other parameters you want to pile on? How about constrain ROE while you’re on a roll. Don’t stop now. Btw Japan waves hello

You're not answering the question. What is the required verifiable and attainable conditions for "victory"? You have no answer and get whiny when called on it.

Give me a plan with an end victory condition, the forces needed for it, and the ultimate cost needed that is NOT on an infinite timescale with limitless resources spent. Because currently we don't have ANY of that except "keep our troops there to kill bad guys at whatever cost".

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:50:28 PM EDT

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This isn't good. When it comes to war, Mattis is the subject matter expert. Trump should be following his advice. What does Trump know about war? Does he really think he knows more than the generals?

I am grateful that Trump stopped Hillary. I was hoping that in time he could have been molded into a capable leader that displayed rational behavior. But with each passing day, I can only conclude that the guy is a hopeless fucktard. Trump is done. There's no way he can win re-election. He'll be lucky if he finishes out his present term.

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Gee I don't know, I guess he figured after 17 years the generals haven't figured it out so maybe he would take a stab at it. It is not like there isn't tons of professional opinions for and against on the matter. I thought that was what Presidents did, you know why you elected him, because I am pretty sure he laid all this out then.

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:51:36 PM EDT

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People have been asking that on twitter, on tv, on Facebook, and no one gives an answer. In fact one expert said the DOD & Mattis's plan for Afghanistan was the same one they have been pushing for years. Effectively slaughtering people to the lynch pin is the only option that would work and no one in the Pentagon has the balls to put it on paper in a formal briefing.

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I have nothing against killing people that have earned a killing. It is the fundamental job of the military to kill the enemy and break their shit, but it should never be done lightly and it should violent and quick. Occupations are always bad juju in the long run.

17 years in Afghanistan and we haven't made enough progress to substantially reduce our foot print without losing all of our objectives? That's not acceptable. How does it ever end?

Posted: 12/20/2018 10:51:40 PM EDT

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Why are we in any wars to begin with right now?

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This isn't good. When it comes to war, Mattis is the subject matter expert. Trump should be following his advice. What does Trump know about war? Does he really think he knows more than the generals?

I am grateful that Trump stopped Hillary. I was hoping that in time he could have been molded into a capable leader that displayed rational behavior. But with each passing day, I can only conclude that the guy is a hopeless fucktard. Trump is done. There's no way he can win re-election. He'll be lucky if he finishes out his present term.

Why are we in any wars to begin with right now?

Be be be because the whole world will die if we don't!!