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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:08:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If General Mattis had ordered (via Tweet) his Colonels to kick out all the Trannys, they would have probably hesitated before executing those orders. They might have even looked into whether it was a lawful order. They might have responded with questions, to refine the General's Tweet and to see how to go about making it a formal policy. If they wanted to do everything possible to execute the General's Tweet, they would probably have done an analysis of the task to see about policy implications and any 2nd and 3rd order effects. It would not have served the General well, had they simply saluted and said, "aye aye, Sir!" People like to ignore that injunctions had already been entered against DoD and the Armed Forces over transgender policy. You know this, but for the uninitiated - - they had to proceed slowly and do a very thorough review to be able to map out a policy that would allow them to comply with Trump's order while not violating an existing injunction or throwing one of the existing court cases firmly into the loss territory. Mattis literally did everything right to make it so Trump could implement his policy. Most people lack that kind of wisdom, patience, and understanding of how to dodge federal court landmines to make something happen over the protests of liberals. Yet the tards here act as if Mattis fucked it up. If suggest that people actually try learning about what Mattis did, but we both know that won't change anyone's mind. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:13:41 PM EDT
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Lol. GD is GDing. Fuck Mattis. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really??? Country of 320 million people and you think ot goes to shit because one senior citizen retires?? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:24:04 PM EDT
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Good. Mattis didn’t do shit to end the blatant SJW policies within the DoD. We need someone who will clear out all the plants as part of the social experimentation, and get back to the type of culture we had in the 1980s military under Reagan, where conducting combat operations was the primary focus above all. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:24:09 PM EDT
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Weren't Mattis and Tillerson for keeping the Obama's Iran deal intact?
If that was true, good firing for both of them. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:24:47 PM EDT
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Sorry but when someone insists we stay in Afgjanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc. While being completely cucked to defending our own border you can gtfo. Every single one of these fuckers would love to be in every country the world over for decades if not centuries if they had their way. All the while the DOD, that Mattis is in charge of, continually rejected defending our own border. He can get fucked with Pelosi, Schumer and Obama. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:29:03 PM EDT
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Pentagon brass upset that a civilian actually commands the military, are purging themselves out of principle lol
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:31:04 PM EDT
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I thought the warrior monk was going to really push out all of the bull shit of the Obama administration but he hasn't done shit. I have been very disappointed with his performance as Sec Def. Time to get someone with actual stones to do what it takes to make the US military an effective fighting force it is capable of, with recruiting that doesn't pander to mentally ill and deviants who will be nothing but problems for their already incompetent chains of command after decades of social engineering and Equal Opportunity Employment quotas being pushed over merit as a rule. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:31:05 PM EDT
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If I find myself disagreeing with SECDEF Mattis on anything military in nature, I’m going to assume I’m wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read the letter. He says in no uncertain terms why he resigned, and how his beliefs were at odds with the ideas and actions of the President. Trump is a fool for ignoring Mattis. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:32:15 PM EDT
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Pentagon brass upset that a civilian actually commands the military, are purging themselves out of principle lol
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:32:19 PM EDT
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Weren't Mattis and Tillerson for keeping the Obama's Iran deal intact? If that was true, good firing for both of them. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:34:41 PM EDT
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Where is Mattis going next, CNN or MSNBC?
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:41:16 PM EDT
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Once upon a time, regime change was our policy. Then Obama invited the Russians in to "help" get rid of the chemical weapons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:41:38 PM EDT
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RDak, this post from you is so on-brand; I've never seen a single post ("tell me what to believe!") so completely summarize a poster's entire body of work on this site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I admit Mattis did appear to be a bit of a leftie but Cincinnatus has been in the military for 32 years and he says otherwise. So who am I supposed to fucking believe...…..my limited knowledge of only "knowing" him based solely on seeing him on TV, etc., or someone who has been active military for 32 years who might ACTUALLY know him? I would imagine most people would rely on Cincinnatus's opinion over mine...…...right? 
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:43:22 PM EDT
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Pentagon brass upset that a civilian actually commands the military, are purging themselves out of principle lol
Mattis is NOT resigning over the President's National Security policies. He is disagreeing with the President's surprise departures FROM his National Security policies. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:45:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll bet they won't punish their soldiers for punching a terrorist. And they will be quite comfortable with feeding their soldiers into a meat grinder for their own whims or expediency. But yeah, for punching a terrorist. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:46:04 PM EDT
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Lol two years ago
"Mattis is the bestest eva!!!" On ar15.com Now its all"hes a democratic loser who did align with our dipshit in chief so he's an idiot" |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:49:00 PM EDT
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Lol two years ago "Mattis is the bestest eva!!!" On ar15.com Now its all"hes a democratic loser who did align with our dipshit in chief so he's an idiot" |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:52:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:55:52 PM EDT
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Once again most of GD mistakes talking big shit for doing big shit. Mattis did shit:
supported Iran deal did not reduce SJW impact: no reduction is SHARP training, etc.; still pushing women through combat arms/SOF training. Same old - same old in A'stan. Rejected defending our southern border. But, he talked tough, so GD fellated him. Na na na na na na na na Hey hey hey goodbye |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:57:37 PM EDT
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He was supposed to be some ruthless mythical man of war and The dude turned out to be an overhyped liberal
Lightweight Meh total letdown “I keep others awake at night” Lol give me a break 
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:02:12 PM EDT
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Make Wes. Clark the next Sec. Def. He is a total Democrat, but if Trump said I'll give you a pretty ribbon if you nuke the middle east; it would be a glowing crater by supper.
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:19:45 PM EDT
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While you are not wrong about the first part, they absolutely gave a shit. I'm gay. I lived in military towns. I knew gay military. Remember that fiasco in Beaufort SC? Where there was a "sting" type operation and they attempted to purge the corps of lesbians? They made a movie about it. The book was called "Conduct unbecoming" I was there. I knew those people. I knew all the details and distortions, how it was presented in the press, yada yada. NCIS (its not like on TV) followed people around, staked out places in Beaufort SC where they may go, like Jay's place, and The Yankee". They didn't have people there to investigate murders like on TV. It was all about teh ghey. The WM's didn't acknowledge my presence in public because they thought it would put a target on their back. Ironically I wasn't in the military, nobody gave a shit about me and nobody got kicked out because of me. I've had a few relationships with women Marines, know a lot of Marines of both genders and orientations. I (and others) would pretend to be involved with a gay person of the opposite sex for cover. There were even a couple of fake marriages. So they absofuckinglutly gave a shit. GD gives a shit too, I've been here a long time, I read the threads of obsession with teh ghey. You can find them at any moment on the first page. They care about them in the military, they care about them on TV sitcoms. . . the top 3 GD triggers are, black people, women, and teh ghey. I don't know which one GD hates worse. But I don't care about that. My skin is so hard it's now a chitonous exoskeleton. But don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. The military cared about the orientation of it's members so much they had investigators whose sole purpose was to follow people around and catch them. We get it, you don't like Trump. Don't pretend all of a sudden nobody cares about trannys in the suck. I know all kinds of stuff we consider common knowledge that non-gun people think is ridiculous conspiracy stuff. Other people just don't know. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:25:14 PM EDT
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Watching the fucking MSM you'd think Mattis and Trump had a screaming fight and he stormed out, quitting immediately! He's leaving in FEBRUARY, not immediately!
And, yeah, he couldn't handle Trump's 4D chess where bad guys could possibly become allies and long-time allies could be called for their weasel bullshit and fall from grace. Oh well, enjoy post-retirement life, Gen Mattis, you have earned your rest! |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:29:17 PM EDT
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Watching the fucking MSM you'd think Mattis and Trump had a screaming fight and he stormed out, quitting immediately! He's leaving in FEBRUARY, not immediately! And, yeah, he couldn't handle Trump's 4D chess where bad guys could possibly become allies and long-time allies could be called for their weasel bullshit and fall from grace. Oh well, enjoy post-retirement life, Gen Mattis, you have earned your rest! |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:31:03 PM EDT
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I don't particularly dislike Mattis, and when he was nominated I was pretty excited to see what he'd do... unfortunately I didn't really see much in the "action" department, and his opinions turned out to be (or perhaps always were) contrary to what I voted for Trump to undo. So I don't wish him ill, but I'm not sad to see him go.
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:35:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If General Mattis had ordered (via Tweet) his Colonels to kick out all the Trannys, they would have probably hesitated before executing those orders. They might have even looked into whether it was a lawful order. They might have responded with questions, to refine the General's Tweet and to see how to go about making it a formal policy. If they wanted to do everything possible to execute the General's Tweet, they would probably have done an analysis of the task to see about policy implications and any 2nd and 3rd order effects. It would not have served the General well, had they simply saluted and said, "aye aye, Sir!" I know my superior officers would not have accepted such an answer. Perhaps both you and the general are measures of just how far the U.S. military have fallen in the last half century. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:39:17 PM EDT
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I don't believe Thucydides would approve of your answer. I know my superior officers would not have accepted such an answer. Perhaps both you and the general are measures of just how far the U.S. military have fallen in the last half century. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If General Mattis had ordered (via Tweet) his Colonels to kick out all the Trannys, they would have probably hesitated before executing those orders. They might have even looked into whether it was a lawful order. They might have responded with questions, to refine the General's Tweet and to see how to go about making it a formal policy. If they wanted to do everything possible to execute the General's Tweet, they would probably have done an analysis of the task to see about policy implications and any 2nd and 3rd order effects. It would not have served the General well, had they simply saluted and said, "aye aye, Sir!" I know my superior officers would not have accepted such an answer. Perhaps both you and the general are measures of just how far the U.S. military have fallen in the last half century. They would have demanded it, unless they were corrupt and incompetent. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:40:00 PM EDT
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I'm seeing Spencer - SECNAV and Wilson - SECAF (would be first female) as possible nominees
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:41:13 PM EDT
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Nothing is ever Trump's fault. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:41:37 PM EDT
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The easy choice is Deputy: Shanahan
The next easy choice is Pompeo. He will fight the urge to nominate famous TV Generals, but you never know. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:48:16 PM EDT
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The easy choice is Deputy: Shanahan The next easy choice is Pompeo. He will fight the urge to nominate famous TV Generals, but you never know. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:49:26 PM EDT
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He didn't have the intestinal fortitude to tell Congress to piss off with the retard SJW garbage that is the #1 challenge for the military and DoD. We need someone who will clear out all the plants as part of the social experimentation, and get back to the type of culture we had in the 1980s military under Reagan, where conducting combat operations was the primary focus above all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good. Mattis didn’t do shit to end the blatant SJW policies within the DoD. We need someone who will clear out all the plants as part of the social experimentation, and get back to the type of culture we had in the 1980s military under Reagan, where conducting combat operations was the primary focus above all. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:51:08 PM EDT
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Someone earlier on in this thread made a comment about Mattis wanting to keep military style weapons out of the hands of civilians. I could not find anything on the interwebs to support that. Does anyone have a link? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:57:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: Do they? "Mattis is the last brake on a president that makes major life-and-death decisions by whim without reading, deliberation, or any thought as to consequences and risks," said a senior U.S. national-security official on Thursday, who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to talk freely. "The saving grace is that this president has not been tested by a major national-security crisis. But it will come, and when it does, we are fucked." Just goes to show if you say something often and long enough.... |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:04:11 PM EDT
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Once upon a time, regime change was our policy. Then Obama invited the Russians in to "help" get rid of the chemical weapons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:06:43 PM EDT
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It is rather simple. The United States and other countries goals for the region are not the same. The United States has accomplished our goal so now it is time for us to pick up our toys and go home. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:15:52 PM EDT
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You are the smartest man alive. Somehow his strategies are working despite your prognostications Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I did some checking up on a couple of Trump’s National Security advisors reaction to this news and I’m a bit surprised at how shaken they are but they still have confidence in POTUS despite their opposition to these decisions, so the sky isnt falling We see this with how he’s handling the Wall and Congress. We saw it with Obamacare repeal, and we see it with National Defense. Trump’s tactical Tweets and unscripted pronouncements scuttle his strategies (when there are strategies). Then his subject matter experts have to clean up the mess. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:47:08 PM EDT
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No because its either a lie or they are stupid and got him confused with McChrystal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone earlier on in this thread made a comment about Mattis wanting to keep military style weapons out of the hands of civilians. I could not find anything on the interwebs to support that. Does anyone have a link? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:48:55 PM EDT
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I think it is interesting how people are just making shit up about Mattis' handling of transgender policy, or are so dedicated to kissing Trump's ass that they can't do their own research to find out whether or not that Baby Boomer meme on Mattis is true. I don't know if it is deliberate misinformation, stupidity, or because people get their news from Facebook. Or, even, a mixture of all three. Mattis didn't screw anything up with the transgender issue. In fact, he handled it better than anyone ever dreamed the admin would be able to. Effectively, all the lawsuits and litigation are now dead. So, a Federal Court judge is NOT going to be the one who makes DoD policy. Mattis put together a study group with officers and enlisted, but he more or less let VP Pence and Perkins run the show. They came up with a policy that lets the current people serving stay in (this was to satisfy current court injunctions and settle the cases), cuts off surgeries after a certain date (deadline has already passed), doesn't let new transgender individuals join, and kicks out anyone serving who comes out as transgender. I know GD prefers that all trans, gay, and lesbian people get tossed out of helicopters, but that's a moronic fantasy unhinged from the real world and federal court orders. Mattis didn't fuck up anything with transgender service members. On the contrary, he allowed DoD to thread a needle and to implement the policy that Trump wanted. Pence and Perkins did the report for Mattis. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:51:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:52:25 PM EDT
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Blackwater’s founder and former CEO Erik Prince has courted President Donald Trump’s administration since he took office with the idea that the now 17-year Afghan War will never be won by a traditional military campaign. Prince has also argued that the logistical footprint required to support that now multi-trillion dollar endeavor has become too burdensome. Over the summer and into this fall Prince has engaged heavily with the media to promote the privatization; particularly as the Trump administration’s new South Asia Strategy, which was crafted with Mattis, passed the one-year mark.
In an previous exclusive interview with Military Times, Prince said he would scrap the NATO mission there and replace the estimated 23,000 forces in country with a force of 6,000 contracted personnel and 2,000 active-duty special forces. The potential privatization of the Afghan War was previously dismissed by the White House, and roundly criticized by Mattis, who saw it as a risk to emplace the nation’s national security goals in the hands of contractors. “When Americans put their nation’s credibility on the line, privatizing it is probably not a wise idea,” Mattis told reporters in August. But Mattis is out now, one in a series of moves that has surprised most of the Pentagon. Drastic change would “be more likely” now, one DOD official said. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/12/21/mattis-is-out-and-blackwater-is-back-we-are-coming/?fbclid=IwAR0VGnsJgggnnxrkEVRtmM6LsAPO-Fkuy5hQiOkvEIujHIP6IubMk_ve1FA Princes sister is Betsy Devos |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:54:43 PM EDT
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I admit Mattis did appear to be a bit of a leftie but Cincinnatus has been in the military for 32 years and he says otherwise. So who am I supposed to fucking believe...…..my limited knowledge of only "knowing" him based solely on seeing him on TV, etc., or someone who has been active military for 32 years who might ACTUALLY know him? I would imagine most people would rely on Cincinnatus's opinion over mine...…...right? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 4:08:50 PM EDT
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Make Wes. Clark the next Sec. Def. He is a total Democrat, but if Trump said I'll give you a pretty ribbon if you nuke the middle east; it would be a glowing crater by supper. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 4:12:00 PM EDT
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Pentagon brass upset that a civilian actually commands the military, are purging themselves out of principle lol
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Posted: 12/21/2018 4:55:17 PM EDT
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The Russians were not going to let Assad fall, they have had a close partnership with that regime for decades and use Tartus as a naval outpost. All this you know, and you know we were not going to push regime change to a point that it would have significantly escalated tensions. We also had to contend with the specter of who exactly would be taking over, and what would that look like. After Libya and Egypt, these were very legitimate concerns. Regime change was never a serious consideration, just occasional lip service in order to keep up appearances....that we cared. Countering ISIS and filling the western Syrian vacuum to upset Iranian intentions was always our main objective there IMO. The other was not feasible, nor was the public going to get on board. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:09:07 PM EDT
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Apparently the last straw for Mattis was when the Turkish Defense Minister said that a Turkey was going to slaughter the Kurds and throw them in ditches when the US pulled out. Mattis met with Trump and was reportedly livid. Mattis tried to change Trump's mind, Trump refused, Mattis gave him the resignation letter.
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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:11:48 PM EDT
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Apparently the last straw for Mattis was when the Turkish Defense Minister said that a Turkey was going to slaughter the Kurds and throw them in ditches when the US pulled out. Mattis met with Trump and was reportedly livid. Mattis tried to change Trump's mind, Trump refused, Mattis gave him the resignation letter. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:13:53 PM EDT
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If Turkey said that why would Trump go ahead and pull out anyways? Doesn't make sense and why would Mattis say we need to show respect towards our allies when they are shitting all over us out in the open? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apparently the last straw for Mattis was when the Turkish Defense Minister said that a Turkey was going to slaughter the Kurds and throw them in ditches when the US pulled out. Mattis met with Trump and was reportedly livid. Mattis tried to change Trump's mind, Trump refused, Mattis gave him the resignation letter. As for Mattis, the Kurds are our allies. They were the only ones beating ISIS during the Obama years. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they? "Mattis is the last brake on a president that makes major life-and-death decisions by whim without reading, deliberation, or any thought as to consequences and risks," said a senior U.S. national-security official on Thursday, who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to talk freely. "The saving grace is that this president has not been tested by a major national-security crisis. But it will come, and when it does, we are fucked." |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:16:58 PM EDT
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Mattis, who Trump described as a "bit of a Democrat": - Nomination universally supported by Democrats and NeverTrumpers - Involved in the Theranos scam - Fought Trump to keep Transgendered troops in the military - Fought Trump on sending troops to secure the border during the caravan - Caught going behind Trump's back to try and hire CNAS Obama flunkies at DOD - Pushed the "Global Warming is the REAL enemy" line - Fought Trump on his campaign promise of ending the Afghanistan War If you're throwing a tantrum over his exit, you're in the company of Democrats and NeverTrumpers. Think about that. |
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