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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:17:11 AM EST
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So who are the shooters in that picture? What is their criteria for "mass shooter"? Identify them and the source it came from. You have to do better than to spread some internet meme and present it as fact. [ETA] This is creating a false narrative. The cases we're talking about with one guy going apeshit and randomly executing people ARE young-ish white males aged 20-30 for the most part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Typically, no, they are not. Here's a photo collage, current as of Aug. 5th. https://i.imgur.com/8o0vL60.jpg [ETA] This is creating a false narrative. The cases we're talking about with one guy going apeshit and randomly executing people ARE young-ish white males aged 20-30 for the most part. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shooter-shooting-mugshots/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:17:55 AM EST
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I'm still trying to find a better copy of this video.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glp7EW6l85wGuy knows how to close and unload 
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:17:58 AM EST
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After every one of these shootings people get on this General discussion section and don't admit to what's really happening they Pander and intellectually masturbate. We have a problem with white male Mass Shooters. Not to mention the opioid epidemic which is killing over 50,000 people a year. But I noticed people on here can talk about the ghetto this and ghetto that.?? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:18:11 AM EST
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The fact that there were two DPS troopers in one car is very unusual. I don't think I have ever witnessed that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two things stand out to me. One is that the shooter was known to police, and two that there were two troopers in the patrol vehicle that attempted to pull him over. Now I haven't lived in Texas in a few years and maybe things have changed, but I never saw more than one Trooper riding in a DPS marked patrol vehicle. Maybe this guy that was known to police was under surveillance and this was a planned arrest by using the "pull him over for a traffic violation" ruse that the police sometimes use to arrest someone they have been surveilling. That would explain why the 2 troopers in the vehicle. Then the traffic stop goes to shit when he starts shooting at them before stopping and the guy then proceeds to go on a shooting rampage in traffic while fleeing. If this was a planned take down of a criminal under investigation then this is going to cause a bit of a sticky situation for the DPS and a lot of questions and second guessing by the media. Maybe they need time to figure out how to lay it all out for the public to not make it look like the cop's fault. And I'm not saying it was their fault that this guy went full retard when they tried to pull him over. Of course this is just speculation on my part but it's the only thing I can figure so far tha makes sense. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:19:55 AM EST
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Everyone with an opinion that isn’t yours=racist. Didn’t even see what the purse swinging is about, but any asshole that can’t argue on merit, logic, and evidence and instead pulls out the racist card instantly earns a block from me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Racists stick together...who wholda thunk it. Didn’t even see what the purse swinging is about, but any asshole that can’t argue on merit, logic, and evidence and instead pulls out the racist card instantly earns a block from me. I'm so sick of people that use the racist bullshit everytime somebody disagrees, has different idea, OPINION or calls them an idiot for actually being stupid with what they are saying. 
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:21:01 AM EST
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Yeah one of the two still being in training occurred to me and I was going to mention that possibility. Also, don't most troopers join the DPS from other departments? Or do they recruit off the street? I would think being a trooper is something you would get selected for as an established cop already but I don't know if that's how it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two things stand out to me. One is that the shooter was known to police, and two that there were two troopers in the patrol vehicle that attempted to pull him over. Now I haven't lived in Texas in a few years and maybe things have changed, but I never saw more than one Trooper riding in a DPS marked patrol vehicle. Maybe this guy that was known to police was under surveillance and this was a planned arrest by using the "pull him over for a traffic violation" ruse that the police sometimes use to arrest someone they have been surveilling. That would explain why the 2 troopers in the vehicle. Then the traffic stop goes to shit when he starts shooting at them before stopping and the guy then proceeds to go on a shooting rampage in traffic while fleeing. If this was a planned take down of a criminal under investigation then this is going to cause a bit of a sticky situation for the DPS and a lot of questions and second guessing by the media. Maybe they need time to figure out how to lay it all out for the public to not make it look like the cop's fault. And I'm not saying it was their fault that this guy went full retard when they tried to pull him over. Of course this is just speculation on my part but it's the only thing I can figure so far tha makes sense. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:21:15 AM EST
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Rookies don't go through FTO alone. Probably a FTO and his new hire. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:21:27 AM EST
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Is it just me, or does this whole thing look like a live-action mission from one of the GTA games...?
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:21:29 AM EST
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EXACTLY. So ask yourself: "What is more likely": 1) The cops, investigators, etc are ALL in on it and not a single one comes forward to expose some cover-up, or 2) The facts are just as we're being told. Occam's razor wins every time. The reason we don't know anything about the Las Vegas shooting is because there's nothing to know; the shooter really was an enigma that went nuts without any indication. Maybe the reason there's no information about this latest shooters is because releasing information would compromise the investigation. It is precisely because I trust most Americans to be decent and honest folks that I don't buy into conspiracy theory nonsense. There is no way to have potentially hundreds of people involved and ALL of them be corrupt and willing to suppress the "truth". Even if some of the people involved were to try to push an agenda, you couldn't silence all dissenters. Heck, the President of the US couldn't keep a soiled blue dress from making the news. It simply does not happen. Las Vegas still doesn't pass the smell test. The Sherriff was very disturbed by something other than the shootings. I can't discount that many of these were left leaning crazies. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:21:43 AM EST
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Rookies don't go through FTO alone. Probably a FTO and his new hire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two things stand out to me. One is that the shooter was known to police, and two that there were two troopers in the patrol vehicle that attempted to pull him over. Now I haven't lived in Texas in a few years and maybe things have changed, but I never saw more than one Trooper riding in a DPS marked patrol vehicle. Maybe this guy that was known to police was under surveillance and this was a planned arrest by using the "pull him over for a traffic violation" ruse that the police sometimes use to arrest someone they have been surveilling. That would explain why the 2 troopers in the vehicle. Then the traffic stop goes to shit when he starts shooting at them before stopping and the guy then proceeds to go on a shooting rampage in traffic while fleeing. If this was a planned take down of a criminal under investigation then this is going to cause a bit of a sticky situation for the DPS and a lot of questions and second guessing by the media. Maybe they need time to figure out how to lay it all out for the public to not make it look like the cop's fault. And I'm not saying it was their fault that this guy went full retard when they tried to pull him over. Of course this is just speculation on my part but it's the only thing I can figure so far tha makes sense. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:27:34 AM EST
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What happened in Alabama yesterday? HS kid took gun to football game. Family claims he was bullied. They didn't say he shot them all. Some were injured in the panic. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:27:51 AM EST
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Two things stand out to me. One is that the shooter was known to police, and two that there were two troopers in the patrol vehicle that attempted to pull him over. Now I haven't lived in Texas in a few years and maybe things have changed, but I never saw more than one Trooper riding in a DPS marked patrol vehicle. Maybe this guy that was known to police was under surveillance and this was a planned arrest by using the "pull him over for a traffic violation" ruse that the police sometimes use to arrest someone they have been surveilling. That would explain why the 2 troopers in the vehicle. Then the traffic stop goes to shit when he starts shooting at them before stopping and the guy then proceeds to go on a shooting rampage in traffic while fleeing. If this was a planned take down of a criminal under investigation then this is going to cause a bit of a sticky situation for the DPS and a lot of questions and second guessing by the media. Maybe they need time to figure out how to lay it all out for the public to not make it look like the cop's fault. And I'm not saying it was their fault that this guy went full retard when they tried to pull him over. Of course this is just speculation on my part but it's the only thing I can figure so far tha makes sense. 
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:28:20 AM EST
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No kidding. That must have been a hell of a first day in the field. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two things stand out to me. One is that the shooter was known to police, and two that there were two troopers in the patrol vehicle that attempted to pull him over. Now I haven't lived in Texas in a few years and maybe things have changed, but I never saw more than one Trooper riding in a DPS marked patrol vehicle. Maybe this guy that was known to police was under surveillance and this was a planned arrest by using the "pull him over for a traffic violation" ruse that the police sometimes use to arrest someone they have been surveilling. That would explain why the 2 troopers in the vehicle. Then the traffic stop goes to shit when he starts shooting at them before stopping and the guy then proceeds to go on a shooting rampage in traffic while fleeing. If this was a planned take down of a criminal under investigation then this is going to cause a bit of a sticky situation for the DPS and a lot of questions and second guessing by the media. Maybe they need time to figure out how to lay it all out for the public to not make it look like the cop's fault. And I'm not saying it was their fault that this guy went full retard when they tried to pull him over. Of course this is just speculation on my part but it's the only thing I can figure so far tha makes sense.
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:29:19 AM EST
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Still no ID on the shooter or weapon.
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:30:08 AM EST
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So what happened to the news conference?
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:30:24 AM EST
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Hopefully in half an hour we will get some answers. https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Authorities-responding-to-reports-of-active-shooter-in-Odessa-558964771.html
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:30:41 AM EST
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So what happened to the news conference? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:32:33 AM EST
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Fair enough, but how do you feel about some serious "climate change"? Q Revelation 20:15 "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I disagree with #4. I have been an athiest all my life but my beliefs are all Judeo Christian. I just don't believe in God or a supreme being. I will not deny the majority of athiest seem to be assholes, EG; suing about crosses, prayers at games the pledge of alliegence etc. Just know that not every athiest is a A Hole Q Revelation 20:15 "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." This will be my last comment as this is derailing the original topic. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:35:15 AM EST
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Basics HS kid took gun to football game. Family claims he was bullied. They didn't say he shot them all. Some were injured in the panic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happened in Alabama yesterday? HS kid took gun to football game. Family claims he was bullied. They didn't say he shot them all. Some were injured in the panic. 
I wonder if that fits Zhukov's standard for a mass shooting. Of course it's barely in the news for some reason. 
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:35:32 AM EST
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That's literally the definition of "mass shooter", brother. I don't know what else to tell you. You seem determined to believe that whites are the problem, so... you do you. The vast majority of the first type mass shooters aren't killing strangers just to be killing people. Those shitheads have a grudge against somebody that has most likely ripped them off or for financial gain. The second type is just some disaffected lunatic going out and shooting strangers just to amass a body count. They seek recognition, not retribution (usually). Denying such a difference exists has become a method used by the anti-gunners to pump up the numbers and attribute all shootings of 4 or more persons as the 'spree shooting' type. Of the past 10 of these 'spree shootings' of strangers (just to be killing people)....which ones weren't committed by white men? I'd wager that you stand a better chance of getting hit by lightning that to be shot by a 'spree shooter' with an AR-15. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:36:07 AM EST
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Everyone with an opinion that isn’t yours=racist. Didn’t even see what the purse swinging is about, but any asshole that can’t argue on merit, logic, and evidence and instead pulls out the racist card instantly earns a block from me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Racists stick together...who wholda thunk it. Didn’t even see what the purse swinging is about, but any asshole that can’t argue on merit, logic, and evidence and instead pulls out the racist card instantly earns a block from me. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:36:47 AM EST
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I'd say 9 counts of attempted murder is a pretty good go at it.
I wonder if that fits Zhukov's standard for a mass shooting. Of course it's barely in the news for some reason. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:37:13 AM EST
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So what happened to the news conference? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:38:14 AM EST
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So what happened to the news conference? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:40:31 AM EST
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There is a very good reason we don't know who this shooter is along with his entire lineage. He doesn't fit the gun control narrative and they are having to figure out how to make it fit. We've seen other shooter's social media scrubbed before our eyes. You are a fool if you think there is some harmless reason why this guy isn't identified already. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm now leaning illegal alien and the FBI and ATF are having to create citizenship papers and past REPUBLICAN voting records to hide the fact. We've seen other shooter's social media scrubbed before our eyes. You are a fool if you think there is some harmless reason why this guy isn't identified already. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:41:47 AM EST
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:43:49 AM EST
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:44:09 AM EST
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So it’s only a mass shooting if you see it on the MSM? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So who are the shooters in that picture? Identify them and the source it came from. You have to do better than to spread some internet meme and present it as fact. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:45:57 AM EST
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Looks like this stream is trying to go live https://www.yourbasin.com/live-now/
This one is live https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Authorities-responding-to-reports-of-active-shooter-in-Odessa-558964771.html |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:45:59 AM EST
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So this noon news conference, is it going to reveal any now information or just a line of state and local officials patting themselves and first responders on the back for doing such a great job as seems to have become the norm for these events?
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:48:20 AM EST
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So this noon news conference, is it going to reveal any now information or just a line of state and local officials patting themselves and first responders on the back for doing such a great job as seems to have become the norm for these events? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:48:38 AM EST
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So this noon news conference, is it going to reveal any now information or just a line of state and local officials patting themselves and first responders on the back for doing such a great job as seems to have become the norm for these events? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:49:00 AM EST
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4 or more people. That's a pretty low threshold. Another reason it doesn't hold water is because most of them - as far as I can tell - had some kind of motive that "makes sense". Robbery. Domestic violence. Drug deal gone wrong. I'm not excusing the level of violence, but we're talking about mass shooters in terms of a guy with no relation to the victims just blowing his top and going out in a blaze of glory. The other people on that list don't fit the bill. Call it a societal problem to ignore the others, but we tend to over-dramatize things we don't understand, like a guy driving from Dallas to El Paso and shooting a bunch of people in Wal Mart. That is inherently more scary than a gang-related shooting where 4 people are killed. That distinction has one upside...it makes the true rage/insanity driven mass shootings even rarer than they appear...if only it was reported that way. Lumping every four victim homicide into the "deranged killer with an semi-auto" category bolsters the ban argument, and diverts attention away from the "we have a serious inner-city crime issue". We're doing a poor job of framing the reality, or, maybe to be more accurate, the progressives/MSM are doing a better job hyping their agenda. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:50:29 AM EST
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After every one of these shootings people get on this General discussion section and don't admit to what's really happening they Pander and intellectually masturbate. We have a problem with white male Mass Shooters. Not to mention the opioid epidemic which is killing over 50,000 people a year. But I noticed people on here can talk about the ghetto this and ghetto that.?? What the white mass shooter myth gets right and wrong |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:50:31 AM EST
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Anyone have an update of what's come out this morning other than Zhukov not understanding white guys aren't the ones committing most of the mass shootings?
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:50:59 AM EST
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There is a very good reason we don't know who this shooter is along with his entire lineage. He doesn't fit the gun control narrative and they are having to figure out how to make it fit. We've seen other shooter's social media scrubbed before our eyes. You are a fool if you think there is some harmless reason why this guy isn't identified already. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm now leaning illegal alien and the FBI and ATF are having to create citizenship papers and past REPUBLICAN voting records to hide the fact. We've seen other shooter's social media scrubbed before our eyes. You are a fool if you think there is some harmless reason why this guy isn't identified already. Cocksuckers. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:51:07 AM EST
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I'd say 9 counts of attempted murder is a pretty good go at it.
I wonder if that fits Zhukov's standard for a mass shooting. Of course it's barely in the news for some reason.
Zhukov is saying black people don't commit mass shootings??? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:52:34 AM EST
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Anyone have an update of what's come out this morning other than Zhukov not understanding white guys aren't the ones committing most of the mass shootings? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:52:36 AM EST
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What has he said that's wrong? Is there not an opioid epidemic? Are the mass shooters that end up on these rampages not typically 20-30 year old white makes? Just look at this thread: We've had people blaming one or any of the following: Antifa, atheists, public education, illegal immigrants, etc. It's a ref;exive blame-game in the desperate hope that the bad guy is one of "them" - them being someone from a group we don't like. Add in a few conspiracy nuts that are claiming the FBI, police, and everyone else is working overtime to cover it all up, and you get your typical Arfcom GD derp thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After every one of these shootings people get on this General discussion section and don't admit to what's really happening they Pander and intellectually masturbate. We have a problem with white male Mass Shooters. Not to mention the opioid epidemic which is killing over 50,000 people a year. But I noticed people on here can talk about the ghetto this and ghetto that. Just look at this thread: We've had people blaming one or any of the following: Antifa, atheists, public education, illegal immigrants, etc. It's a ref;exive blame-game in the desperate hope that the bad guy is one of "them" - them being someone from a group we don't like. Add in a few conspiracy nuts that are claiming the FBI, police, and everyone else is working overtime to cover it all up, and you get your typical Arfcom GD derp thread. In any case, despite not being rampage style shootings, shooters of multiple people are overwhelmingly non-white. The left is taking shooting numbers including those people and dishonestly attributing it to white males. And the white males that ARE actually rampage shooters, overwhelmingly are non-conservatives who are either known to law enforcement or who had their impending actions reported, sometimes multiple times, to agencies - like the FBI - who did NOTHING. You want to whine about people bringing up antifa? We've had 3 antifa shooting incidents in the last year, including one attack on a federal facility and a public mass shooting. There have also been several attempted bombings, several incidents involving brandished weapons, and a few other fed buildings shot at that they're likely responsible for. Edit: And now we have another one, with the DHS facility they just tried to burn down. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:54:56 AM EST
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:56:46 AM EST
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:56:49 AM EST
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Landgraf seems to have a good head on his shoulders.
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:57:19 AM EST
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So who are the shooters in that picture? What is their criteria for "mass shooter"? Identify them and the source it came from. You have to do better than to spread some internet meme and present it as fact. [ETA] This is creating a false narrative. The cases we're talking about with one guy going apeshit and randomly executing people ARE young-ish white males aged 20-30 for the most part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Typically, no, they are not. Here's a photo collage, current as of Aug. 5th. https://i.imgur.com/8o0vL60.jpg [ETA] This is creating a false narrative. The cases we're talking about with one guy going apeshit and randomly executing people ARE young-ish white males aged 20-30 for the most part. Those other victims do not count. Ok. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:57:29 AM EST
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:58:46 AM EST
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After every one of these shootings people get on this General discussion section and don't admit to what's really happening they Pander and intellectually masturbate. We have a problem with white male Mass Shooters. Not to mention the opioid epidemic which is killing over 50,000 people a year. But I noticed people on here can talk about the ghetto this and ghetto that.?? What the white mass shooter myth gets right and wrong
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:59:35 AM EST
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:59:45 AM EST
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I'd say 9 counts of attempted murder is a pretty good go at it.
I wonder if that fits Zhukov's standard for a mass shooting. Of course it's barely in the news for some reason.
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Posted: 9/1/2019 12:01:15 PM EST
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After every one of these shootings people get on this General discussion section and don't admit to what's really happening they Pander and intellectually masturbate. We have a problem with white male Mass Shooters. Not to mention the opioid epidemic which is killing over 50,000 people a year. But I noticed people on here can talk about the ghetto this and ghetto that. I don't get your point. "We have a problem with white male Mass Shooters" - This statement is false ,the facts (statistics) say otherwise. "the opioid epidemic..." - What does this have to do with this post about the shooting in Texas or mass shooting? "..Pander and intellectually masturbate.." - Pander to who? As for intellectually masturbating, well isn't that what your doing with this nonsensical post. Why are you here (this gun website)? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 12:02:56 PM EST
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It is high noon
https://www.cbs7.com/livestream But so far, some dudes lifting weights and pulling ropes to see who is the World's Strongest Man |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 12:03:13 PM EST
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Anyone have an update of what's come out this morning other than Zhukov not understanding white guys aren't the ones committing most of the mass shootings? |
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