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Posted: 6/1/2019 7:41:36 PM EDT

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If you don't use the NATO phonetic alphabet, you end up with confusing shit like this.

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lol, I have to print that and use it next time I'm calling a net.

Posted: 6/1/2019 7:44:31 PM EDT

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P as in Phlegm, W was in wright, T as in thank you for your service, A as in aether

Posted: 6/1/2019 7:48:00 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/1/2019 7:49:29 PM EDT

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Quit judging people and k.i.s.s. we only need one.

Posted: 6/1/2019 7:51:14 PM EDT

[#5]

What's going on in here?

-Whiskey T. Foxtrot

Posted: 6/1/2019 7:53:42 PM EDT

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The only stupid thing about it is that there are two phonetic alphabets. Just use the NATO one and skip the Boy Tom David bullshit.

Posted: 6/1/2019 7:54:08 PM EDT

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I have a guy in the office, not really a stolen valor guy but he definitely wears camo outside of the office.

He is sorta autistic when it comes to military and history stuff. So I kinda just think he is a militaria buff and dont think much of it.

However when on the phone with customers and going over catalog numbers and sales numbers, its all military phonetic alphabet. There are times where I swear he is calling in air support or an artillery attack.

No one else in the office has issues speaking with customers and none of us need to rattle off sierra, foxtrot zulu all day, not sure why he does. I feel like this is confusing to customers, especially those that have no idea whiskey tango foxtrot he is talking about.

ETA....going to add the civilian vs military phonetic alphabet

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58463/27e0f11f3f6aeb9ba4897ea3a5e80f4f-965328.png

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lol, he thinks those are military phonetics....

Posted: 6/1/2019 7:54:22 PM EDT

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Its called the ITU Phonetic Alphatbet, and Yeah, I need to use it. Deal with it.

Posted: 6/1/2019 7:55:14 PM EDT

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You know why I use the NATO phonetic alphabet? Because I work with a lot of non-native, English as a second language people.

"George" for G is pants-on-head retarded; might as well just hang up the phone if you were speaking with Jorge.

Posted: 6/1/2019 7:56:31 PM EDT

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Mike
Yankee
Oscar
Bravo

Posted: 6/1/2019 8:00:18 PM EDT

[#11]

Allowed? Do you hate the right of expression? You some kind of language commie?

Posted: 6/1/2019 8:00:36 PM EDT

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Here you go, OP:

Posted: 6/1/2019 8:03:55 PM EDT

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So I can't say "Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform" anymore?

Posted: 6/1/2019 8:07:28 PM EDT

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Well done!

Posted: 6/1/2019 8:23:25 PM EDT

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I have a guy in the office, not really a stolen valor guy but he definitely wears camo outside of the office.

He is sorta autistic when it comes to military and history stuff. So I kinda just think he is a militaria buff and dont think much of it.

However when on the phone with customers and going over catalog numbers and sales numbers, its all military phonetic alphabet. There are times where I swear he is calling in air support or an artillery attack.

No one else in the office has issues speaking with customers and none of us need to rattle off sierra, foxtrot zulu all day, not sure why he does. I feel like this is confusing to customers, especially those that have no idea whiskey tango foxtrot he is talking about.

ETA....going to add the civilian vs military phonetic alphabet

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58463/27e0f11f3f6aeb9ba4897ea3a5e80f4f-965328.png

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I'm sure somebody has mentioned it already, but I'm positive you're required to use the Military/NATO standard phonetic alphabet in the aviation industry per FAA regulation, at least for pilots. I'm not sure, but I'm guessing they might require it in the maritime/shipping industries too. Heck, I think they even covered it in the HAM radio class I took years ago.

Granted, the customers might not understand him, what industry are we talking about?

Also, I have never seen that 'civilian' phonetic alphabet.

Posted: 6/1/2019 8:41:15 PM EDT

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Also, I have never seen that 'civilian' phonetic alphabet.

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I presume he's talking about the APCO phonetic alphabet used by police departments in many jurisdictions in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APCO_radiotelephony_spelling_alphabet

Posted: 6/1/2019 8:45:08 PM EDT

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F. F. S.

Posted: 6/1/2019 8:46:35 PM EDT

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I learned the NATO phonetic alphabet in high school in an aviation class. Never been in the military but I still use it regularly.

Posted: 6/1/2019 8:46:56 PM EDT

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F. F. S.

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:03:19 PM EDT

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Man that’s gold!

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:08:34 PM EDT

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so what else do you think us non military folks shouldnt be allowed to do?

I wear green socks sometimes, is that allowed?

sometime i hunt in camo clothing. is that verboten?

I sure dont want to offend anyone. especially the people in uniform by

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:09:15 PM EDT

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I wish more people would use it. Same as to stop calling "0" the number as "oh" like the letter.

You do realize that the 24 hour system was invented for train schedules. Also that in many places, like in Mexico, it is used in everyday life.

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:11:10 PM EDT

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Just finished reading the entire thread, definitely agree with the sentiment of, "Why do you want two competing standards?"

Another thought though: Isn't anything the U.S. government comes up with public domain (unless its classified obviously)? If so, then even if the U.S. military invented this (or any other) phonetic alphabet, it would be free for anybody to use.

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:13:13 PM EDT

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why not, I supose you object to them using 24h/Military time.

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:15:00 PM EDT

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I presume he's talking about the APCO phonetic alphabet used by police departments in many jurisdictions in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APCO_radiotelephony_spelling_alphabet

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Okay, that clears things up a little. Still, that system has got to be either dead or dying, right?

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:19:53 PM EDT

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Tell it to this guy

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:23:42 PM EDT

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"I say again, COMMANDO!"

(Well, you posted it twice).

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:33:54 PM EDT

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OP went off his anti-anxiety drugs. Seeing as how the military doesn't own the phonics alphabet, there is no problem. Take your meds and relax. Mike Yankee Oscar Bravo is a better strategy than getting wound up over really stupid, petty stuff. So you got your civilian/military chart out of a comic book or a box of Cracker Jacks?

He can wear all the army surplus he wants too. There is no law saying he can't.

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:34:50 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/1/2019 9:37:48 PM EDT

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I do it daily. Makes things crystal clear. I'm also an Amateur Radio operator so there is that...

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:39:37 PM EDT

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I do a lot of parts ordering at work that required numbers and letters. I use whatever comes to mind and tends to be a mix of everything. Mostly names.

Posted: 6/1/2019 9:40:08 PM EDT

[#32]

"Alpha Tango Tango Echo Tango Alpha."

https://youtu.be/ES7dzIXMCrs

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:08:28 PM EDT

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Yes. And use 24 hr time. And YYYYMMDD. It makes life sooo much fucking easier.

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:10:47 PM EDT

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Not sure if OP is totally ignorant of the civilian history of the International Civil Aviation Organization phonetic alphabet or is just trolling really hard.

Mike

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:16:20 PM EDT

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It’s only weird if he also says tree, fowr, fife, niner and gets pissed when people ask him to “repeat” himself.

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Friggin 20+ years alter and I still catch myself saying 'fife'

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:19:06 PM EDT

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I was taught the phonetic alphabet when I was in the service 50 years ago. When I left the service, they did a cranial operation on me to eliminate that and anything else I learned while I was in.

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:22:19 PM EDT

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Yes. And use 24 hr time. And YYYYMMDD. It makes life sooo much fucking easier.

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i used to hate it. then i had to build a dbase with date-indexed docs covering a 50 year period.

i'm now a believer.

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:31:54 PM EDT

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Signals

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:32:40 PM EDT

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i used to hate it. then i had to build a dbase with date-indexed docs covering a 50 year period.

i'm now a believer.

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Yes. And use 24 hr time. And YYYYMMDD. It makes life sooo much fucking easier.

i used to hate it. then i had to build a dbase with date-indexed docs covering a 50 year period.

i'm now a believer.

Agreed.

What drives me crazy is the confusion that can arise when you don't know if someone is using a MM/DD/YY format, or a DD/MM/YY format.

Example:

Is 01/09/18 January 9th of 2018, or September 1st of 2018?

Most Americans "assume" that it is MM/DD/YY but that is not always the case.

I liked the precision of military DTGs (Date Time Groups). It even uses a suffix ("Z" or "L") so you know if an event was Zulu time (GMT) or local time.

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:35:12 PM EDT

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IDRGAFWOPD

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:37:18 PM EDT

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IODITATTBMG.

(I only do if they are trying to ban my guns).

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:38:25 PM EDT

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Yes. And use 24 hr time. And YYYYMMDD. It makes life sooo much fucking easier.

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NATO phonetic alphabet and 24 hour clock because I am in transportation.

YYYYMMDD because it sorts correctly with no need to grok the concept of dates. But I thought US DOD used DD-mmm-YYYY, with a three-letter abbreviation for the month.

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:44:16 PM EDT

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so what else do you think us non military folks shouldnt be allowed to do?

I wear green socks sometimes, is that allowed?

sometime i hunt in camo clothing. is that verboten?

I sure dont want to offend anyone. especially the people in uniform by

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Oh, believe me. The OP is the only person who is offended...

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:47:00 PM EDT

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NATO phonetic alphabet and 24 hour clock because I am in transportation.

YYYYMMDD because it sorts correctly with no need to grok the concept of dates. But I thought US DOD used DD-mmm-YYYY, with a three-letter abbreviation for the month.

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Yes. And use 24 hr time. And YYYYMMDD. It makes life sooo much fucking easier.

NATO phonetic alphabet and 24 hour clock because I am in transportation.

YYYYMMDD because it sorts correctly with no need to grok the concept of dates. But I thought US DOD used DD-mmm-YYYY, with a three-letter abbreviation for the month.

Now you have me wondering since I actually don't remember anymore.

"DTG" is date time group, but IIRC I think time came first, then date.

Example:

2359Z24DEC2018 = Christmas Eve at one minute before midnight, GMT.

Might have been date first though:

24DEC20182359Z.

I think it was the former though (time first).

Someone please clarify my memory, thanks.

Posted: 6/1/2019 10:52:27 PM EDT

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Airline pilot.

Tango Lima; Delta Romeo

Foxtrot Yankee, Oscar Papa.

TC

Posted: 6/1/2019 11:00:50 PM EDT

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I presume he's talking about the APCO phonetic alphabet used by police departments in many jurisdictions in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APCO_radiotelephony_spelling_alphabet

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I can envision just how that came about.

Lt: "Hey sarge, get in here."

Sarge: {what now} "Coming lieut."

Lt: "I see the army is using words for letters to reduce confusion on the radio, see what you can come up with for us."

Sarge: {Why not just use the military phonetics} "Ok."

Adam, Boy, Charles...

Posted: 6/1/2019 11:04:50 PM EDT

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Tango Yankee Foxtrot Yankee Sierra.

Posted: 6/1/2019 11:08:20 PM EDT

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Agreed.

What drives me crazy is the confusion that can arise when you don't know if someone is using a MM/DD/YY format, or a DD/MM/YY format.

Example:

Is 01/09/18 January 9th of 2018, or September 1st of 2018?

Most Americans "assume" that it is MM/DD/YY but that is not always the case.

I liked the precision of military DTGs (Date Time Groups). It even uses a suffix ("Z" or "L") so you know if an event was Zulu time (GMT) or local time.

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Yes. And use 24 hr time. And YYYYMMDD. It makes life sooo much fucking easier.

i used to hate it. then i had to build a dbase with date-indexed docs covering a 50 year period.

i'm now a believer.

Agreed.

What drives me crazy is the confusion that can arise when you don't know if someone is using a MM/DD/YY format, or a DD/MM/YY format.

Example:

Is 01/09/18 January 9th of 2018, or September 1st of 2018?

Most Americans "assume" that it is MM/DD/YY but that is not always the case.

I liked the precision of military DTGs (Date Time Groups). It even uses a suffix ("Z" or "L") so you know if an event was Zulu time (GMT) or local time.

A well known public safety software used a number field for time entry, and allowed 2400 to be inputted. Try doing any time study with that mess.

I also used to joke that since the police department was "quasi-military" they should use quasi-military time like 17:00PM. Guess how that major department set up their overtime tracking.