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Posted: 9/30/2016 7:57:39 PM EDT
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Wow...I'm impressed...as usual!
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Posted: 9/30/2016 8:02:52 PM EDT
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If you are not tightening the bolt down tight, lock washers will do little good. Double nuts are great in this case where you cannot tighten it enough because you may crush the 2 x 4 between the mount. JME We red locktited them today. 
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Posted: 9/30/2016 8:12:10 PM EDT
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If you are not tightening the bolt down tight, lock washers will do little good. Double nuts are great in this case where you cannot tighten it enough because you may crush the 2 x 4 between the mount. JME We red locktited them today. It is never going to come apart on its own with or without the Locktite with the nuts tightened the way you did. If it was actually going to fly, I would have been a little more concerned. Looks great Guns and Spies. |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 8:54:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We red locktited them today. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you are not tightening the bolt down tight, lock washers will do little good. Double nuts are great in this case where you cannot tighten it enough because you may crush the 2 x 4 between the mount. JME We red locktited them today.  yup, never coming apart. |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 9:22:45 PM EDT
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While I love how the team displayed the flag in the case given the size constraints, it seems like the best part of that awesome pilot's picture is being blocked by those inside door edges. Is it just me? Would a casual observer be able to notice that the pilot is--in fact--holding the swag displayed within? ...Or maybe it's just the angle the pic was taken at? |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 9:24:32 PM EDT
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https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7547/29852236592_655e4cb62d_b.jpg While I love how the team displayed the flag in the case given the size constraints, it seems like the best part of that awesome pilot's picture is being blocked by those inside door edges. Is it just me? Would a casual observer be able to notice that the pilot is--in fact--holding the swag displayed within? Also, how does he type on that keyboard while wearing those gloves? |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 9:39:04 PM EDT
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Also, how does he type on that keyboard while wearing those gloves? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7547/29852236592_655e4cb62d_b.jpg While I love how the team displayed the flag in the case given the size constraints, it seems like the best part of that awesome pilot's picture is being blocked by those inside door edges. Is it just me? Would a casual observer be able to notice that the pilot is--in fact--holding the swag displayed within? Also, how does he type on that keyboard while wearing those gloves? With the pencil on the ledge above the keyboard. |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 9:43:01 PM EDT
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https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7547/29852236592_655e4cb62d_b.jpg https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5549/30025120805_22d545e761_b.jpg While I love how the team displayed the flag in the case given the size constraints, it seems like the best part of that awesome pilot's picture is being blocked by those inside door edges. Is it just me? Would a casual observer be able to notice that the pilot is--in fact--holding the swag displayed within? ...Or maybe it's just the angle the pic was taken at? Totally agree. I was hoping to get them cropped too. Here's what it currently looks like. I just forgot to post it. 
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Posted: 9/30/2016 9:54:21 PM EDT
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In case this has not been posted, here's a link to last year's project:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1781084_ALARM___U_Boat_Type_VIIC_1_8th_scale_class_project_2015_16Update_8_22_Blue_Stripe_pg56.html&page=1 |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 9:57:40 PM EDT
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With the pencil on the ledge above the keyboard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7547/29852236592_655e4cb62d_b.jpg While I love how the team displayed the flag in the case given the size constraints, it seems like the best part of that awesome pilot's picture is being blocked by those inside door edges. Is it just me? Would a casual observer be able to notice that the pilot is--in fact--holding the swag displayed within? Also, how does he type on that keyboard while wearing those gloves? With the pencil on the ledge above the keyboard. That's got to be maddening. Suppose I could get a juicy government contract if I designed a keyboard meant to be operated while wearing bulky gloves? |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 10:39:12 PM EDT
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That's got to be maddening. Suppose I could get a juicy government contract if I designed a keyboard meant to be operated while wearing bulky gloves? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7547/29852236592_655e4cb62d_b.jpg While I love how the team displayed the flag in the case given the size constraints, it seems like the best part of that awesome pilot's picture is being blocked by those inside door edges. Is it just me? Would a casual observer be able to notice that the pilot is--in fact--holding the swag displayed within? Also, how does he type on that keyboard while wearing those gloves? With the pencil on the ledge above the keyboard. That's got to be maddening. Suppose I could get a juicy government contract if I designed a keyboard meant to be operated while wearing bulky gloves? Hell yes, it would beat a pencil.....a Fricking pencil. 
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Posted: 10/1/2016 12:25:11 AM EDT
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Guns I love you man but.... This would have been more Epic..... Just saying...
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Posted: 10/1/2016 12:30:46 AM EDT
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Guns I love you man but.... This would have been more Epic..... Just saying...
<a href="http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/sparks556/media/69B05F0B-8BB4-429D-913C-7FC82D036AC8_zpsnomci1lj.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag145/sparks556/69B05F0B-8BB4-429D-913C-7FC82D036AC8_zpsnomci1lj.jpeg</a> Been done. A teacher and class build a 3/4 size one, I think?
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Posted: 10/1/2016 9:50:39 AM EDT
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Update 9/28 The frustrations of teaching. Some days, sticking my head in a vice might be less painful. I think, this shuttle would make an excellent coffin; for myself, of course. 
Trying to get kids inspired enough to understand what they are making and why it's important, instead of just getting something made and done, is the most frequent reason I want to smash my face on a wall. The day was going well, we probably go close to 80 or so holes stitched up in our bear. The cape tan seems good, and I haven't seen any slipping yet. I probably got close to 50 or more kids to stitch up at least one hole in the cape. We aren't done, but it went well. https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7775/29994075765_6bcbfb1b26_b.jpg One of my Art/welding students got one of our hangers finished and they look good. We even got it mounted on the shuttle this afternoon. We should have the other two on there tomorrow. This will allow us to get the shuttle flipped back over and start on he hinges of the cargo doors. We need to get them functional so the robotics can narrow down what they need to open and close them. https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8631/29366703304_28ccfce971_b.jpg This is all good news. Then one of my students who's also a welding student brings a wing bracket by to check for fit of the angle with the wing. This also looks right. Nope.  . Never checked for fit, just brought them by and said these are done. I was not able to look at them as we were cleaning up right at the bell.
When I did finally get over to check them, I found the outside bracket upside down on both, one tube turned 180, and the angles different. https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5749/29366694644_13cc098667_b.jpg Long pieces, the outside brackets are upside down, and the length of the tubes are not the same. https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8125/29960134986_3cd1143cd4_b.jpg Now we have to start all over. 5 weeks we've been waiting to get these done.  If they were tacked, it would be easil to just get pieces set correctly, but now.......now it's start over time.
Where's my wall.... 
Last year you said you might paint this on your wall? Now might be a good time to have that welding student paint it! "Once a task has begun do not leave till it's done. Be the task large or small do it well it not at all." EBR |
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Posted: 10/1/2016 10:00:08 AM EDT
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Update 9/30 Temporary display of the fantastic package we got from egress81 
We had a hard time displaying the American flag. We started with it folded properly, but it just looked too small in the display. I know some will not be happy with the way we displayed it, and I understand that. We had a few different people from the office look at it and they all approved of how we have it displayed. We think it's tasteful. I hope GD will approve. The girls worked pretty hard this morning trying to get the best look of the items. They will probably trim the pictures and make some slight moves to compensate for the display frame when we get a little more time. The latest Haiku is also displayed... 
https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5549/30025120805_22d545e761_b.jpg I see NO disrespect in the display. It's good to go by this Vet. EBR |
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Posted: 10/1/2016 10:02:15 AM EDT
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"One a task has begun do not leave till it's done. Be the task large or small do it well it not at all." EBR I forgot about that. ...... I need to get that on my list of "to do's."
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Posted: 10/1/2016 10:19:43 AM EDT
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I forgot about that. ...... I need to get that on my list of "to do's." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Once a task has begun do not leave till it's done. Be the task large or small do it well it not at all." EBR I forgot about that. ...... I need to get that on my list of "to do's." Be sure to spell "Once" correctly. I fixed my misspelling. EBR |
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Posted: 10/1/2016 10:24:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's got to be maddening. Suppose I could get a juicy government contract if I designed a keyboard meant to be operated while wearing bulky gloves? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7547/29852236592_655e4cb62d_b.jpg While I love how the team displayed the flag in the case given the size constraints, it seems like the best part of that awesome pilot's picture is being blocked by those inside door edges. Is it just me? Would a casual observer be able to notice that the pilot is--in fact--holding the swag displayed within? Also, how does he type on that keyboard while wearing those gloves? With the pencil on the ledge above the keyboard. That's got to be maddening. Suppose I could get a juicy government contract if I designed a keyboard meant to be operated while wearing bulky gloves? |
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Posted: 10/1/2016 6:51:18 PM EDT
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I'm no engineer and by no means am I being disrespectful, but if I was helping with the project I would install lock washers on all of the straight nut and bolt connections along with flat washers. JMO.
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No lock washers on the bolts, guns? ETA: First pic. I suppose it couldn't hurt, but even the custodian was happy with the way we set it up. Even if they came loose, it isn't going anywhere. The two nuts tightened down on each other are pretty solid.I'm no engineer and by no means am I being disrespectful, but if I was helping with the project I would install lock washers on all of the straight nut and bolt connections along with flat washers. JMO.
Using jam nuts gets rid of need for lock washer, and in this case could be safer. It can shrink and expand and the nuts won't come loose like a lock washer could. With wings on it looks like it could fly....dreams of youth in early 70's
..sorry for hijack guns 
Great job kids....ugh...spies
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Posted: 10/1/2016 6:54:12 PM EDT
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Looks amazing! |
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Posted: 10/2/2016 11:49:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you! She found the "NASA" font online yesterday and I think she was able to download it on her laptop, but if that didn't work, I'll let her know about helvecta. She is working on the first of three final designs. NASA's Graphics Standards Manual: |
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Posted: 10/3/2016 9:23:51 AM EDT
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Looking great |
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Posted: 10/3/2016 10:04:41 AM EDT
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I know the devil is in the details and thats where the bulk of your time will be
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Posted: 10/3/2016 10:20:58 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 10/3/2016 11:11:59 AM EDT
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Is that white rectangular thing a stratus II?
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Posted: 10/3/2016 11:16:25 AM EDT
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I dare you to write "Surprise Cockfag!" on the inside of the payload bay doors.
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Posted: 10/3/2016 11:17:47 AM EDT
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I bet you could make a Canadarm out of PVC pipe.
Make a Sat out of a 5 gallon homer bucket. |
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Posted: 10/3/2016 11:21:48 AM EDT
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Is that white rectangular thing a stratus II?
https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7547/29852236592_655e4cb62d_b.jpg Sure looks like it |
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Posted: 10/3/2016 1:00:39 PM EDT
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That is a cool photo! |
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Posted: 10/3/2016 1:31:52 PM EDT
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Another run for supplies today: rabbit cage hinges for doors caulking hardware for anchors and hanging $49.00 =270.71 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone always asks, what did this cost, and honestly, I really don't want to know. I've got an idea in my head by the end of these, and I'm probably not too far off, but for the sake of information, I will try to keep a running tally in this thread. I'm not sure if it's entirely fair, as some of each of these items will get used elsewhere, and on other projects, so it's not a precise cost list.
I may regret this, but here is our budget expenses for this project so far. 
$70- Wood $18-Screws $78- wood and a new 25' tape measure. Ours disappeared over the summer.  $42.71-- 2 more sheets of 1/2" chip board, and 10- 8' 1x2s sub total = $208.71 $13.00 wood = 221.71 Another run for supplies today: rabbit cage hinges for doors caulking hardware for anchors and hanging $49.00 =270.71 Updated supply list: Added items seen here, plus 4 more 1x2s. Some things here aren't exactly needed right now, but will need them soon, or are now missing and need replaced.  [
total $77 270.71 Subtotal so far: 347.00 |
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Posted: 10/3/2016 3:39:15 PM EDT
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looking awesome
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Posted: 10/3/2016 8:02:39 PM EDT
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Update 10/3
Good day over all. This is a bit embarrassing, and about as rednecked up as you get, but it makes the cowlings sit correctly. The cowlings are pretty symmetrical and flat on the bottoms, so adjusting the last few frames that were so sketchy to begin with was the right call. It just looks
The cowlings getting some rabbit screen skinning. 
We are starting on the thrusters that come off the back of the cowlings. We also started skinning the nose. That will be a challenge. The sides of the shuttle also are supposed to have the fabric panels that we are replicating with the rabbit cage, but I'm not sure if we will use that. We may just glue down fabric over the drawing boards in those areas, the doors for sure. 
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Posted: 10/3/2016 9:52:30 PM EDT
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Damn that's cool!
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Posted: 10/3/2016 9:57:49 PM EDT
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Damn that's cool! Principal was giving a tour today to a family who was considering having their student go to school here. We have several towns within 30min, so parents who live in one town, and work in another have a choice. The look on the dads face during the tour was pretty priceless. 
He also sported a Vortex optic tshirt. I didn't get a chance to talk to them, but I overheard the principal talking to them about the bear, wolf, and the shuttle. The student looked like this.
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Posted: 10/3/2016 10:59:36 PM EDT
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Update 10/3 We are starting on the thrusters that come off the back of the cowlings. We also started skinning the nose. That will be a challenge. The sides of the shuttle also are supposed to have the fabric panels that we are replicating with the rabbit cage, but I'm not sure if we will use that. We may just glue down fabric over the drawing boards in those areas, the doors for sure. Guns, that is looking absolutely fantastic. Every time I check in on your threads it makes me wish I'd had you as a teacher when I was in high school! Do you mean the OMS or the RCS? Out of curiosity, how are you planning to make the OMS and the SSME bells? |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 6:42:33 AM EDT
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I had a strange thought, but in might be quite amusing: Make a satellite sort of like suggested earlier, but label and make it look like "Cry Baby" from Firefly. Just have that thing in orbit near the shuttle.
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Posted: 10/4/2016 7:45:30 AM EDT
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Guns, that is looking absolutely fantastic. Every time I check in on your threads it makes me wish I'd had you as a teacher when I was in high school! Do you mean the OMS or the RCS? Out of curiosity, how are you planning to make the OMS and the SSME bells? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Update 10/3 We are starting on the thrusters that come off the back of the cowlings. We also started skinning the nose. That will be a challenge. The sides of the shuttle also are supposed to have the fabric panels that we are replicating with the rabbit cage, but I'm not sure if we will use that. We may just glue down fabric over the drawing boards in those areas, the doors for sure. Guns, that is looking absolutely fantastic. Every time I check in on your threads it makes me wish I'd had you as a teacher when I was in high school! Do you mean the OMS or the RCS? Out of curiosity, how are you planning to make the OMS and the SSME bells? Not exactly sure how we are doing the bells yet. I've got some ideas, and hopefully one of them pans out. I need to go look up what the proper terminology is for the pieces I was talking about. There are a line of 3 ports coming off at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions, sticking off the back of the cowlings. They cover the smaller two bells . Thats clear, right?
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Posted: 10/4/2016 9:13:12 AM EDT
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Not exactly sure how we are doing the bells yet. I've got some ideas, and hopefully one of them pans out. I need to go look up what the proper terminology is for the pieces I was talking about. There are a line of 3 ports coming off at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions, sticking off the back of the cowlings. They cover the smaller two bells . Thats clear, right?
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Update 10/3 We are starting on the thrusters that come off the back of the cowlings. We also started skinning the nose. That will be a challenge. The sides of the shuttle also are supposed to have the fabric panels that we are replicating with the rabbit cage, but I'm not sure if we will use that. We may just glue down fabric over the drawing boards in those areas, the doors for sure. Guns, that is looking absolutely fantastic. Every time I check in on your threads it makes me wish I'd had you as a teacher when I was in high school! Do you mean the OMS or the RCS? Out of curiosity, how are you planning to make the OMS and the SSME bells? Not exactly sure how we are doing the bells yet. I've got some ideas, and hopefully one of them pans out. I need to go look up what the proper terminology is for the pieces I was talking about. There are a line of 3 ports coming off at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions, sticking off the back of the cowlings. They cover the smaller two bells . Thats clear, right?
Clear as a bell!
What you're building there are the left and right OMS Pods. They house the Orbital Maneuvering System (OMS) and Reaction Control System (RCS) fuel tanks. Mounted at those 3 and 9 o'clock positions are the RCS Thruster Housings below the OMS engine bell. The OMS provides supplemental thrust during launch and maneuvering for a stable orbit as well as the deorbit burn. The RCS are for orbital pitch, yaw, and roll control. 
The holes on the nose of the orbiter are the forward RCS module: 
Here endith the lesson.
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Posted: 10/4/2016 2:06:31 PM EDT
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motion activated rcs modules on the nose
feed them with a co2 tank the classrooms nearby will love it so much more than the sub ping
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Posted: 10/4/2016 2:47:27 PM EDT
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cool pic from a video
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Posted: 10/4/2016 7:46:44 PM EDT
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motion activated rcs modules on the nose feed them with a co2 tank the classrooms nearby will love it so much more than the sub ping You make friends easily don't you.....
The robotics student across from me on the couch says, that's a no go.
He did show me some work ups for motorized hinges. They are going to start printing parts soon. Lots of admins from surrounding towns we touring our school today. The shuttle got lots of attention. It was fun to watch the reaction as they came around the corner to see it there in the hallway, students busy working on different parts. |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 7:47:50 PM EDT
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What you're building there are the left and right OMS Pods. They house the Orbital Maneuvering System (OMS) and Reaction Control System (RCS) fuel tanks. Mounted at those 3 and 9 o'clock positions are the RCS Thruster Housings below the OMS engine bell. The OMS provides supplemental thrust during launch and maneuvering for a stable orbit as well as the deorbit burn. The RCS are for orbital pitch, yaw, and roll control. http://pages.erau.edu/~ericksol/projects/shuttle/images/2orvil4.gif The holes on the nose of the orbiter are the forward RCS module: http://pages.erau.edu/~ericksol/projects/shuttle/images/2orvil3.gif http://i.imgur.com/PGGyD61.png Here endith the lesson. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Update 10/3 We are starting on the thrusters that come off the back of the cowlings. We also started skinning the nose. That will be a challenge. The sides of the shuttle also are supposed to have the fabric panels that we are replicating with the rabbit cage, but I'm not sure if we will use that. We may just glue down fabric over the drawing boards in those areas, the doors for sure. Guns, that is looking absolutely fantastic. Every time I check in on your threads it makes me wish I'd had you as a teacher when I was in high school! Do you mean the OMS or the RCS? Out of curiosity, how are you planning to make the OMS and the SSME bells? Not exactly sure how we are doing the bells yet. I've got some ideas, and hopefully one of them pans out. I need to go look up what the proper terminology is for the pieces I was talking about. There are a line of 3 ports coming off at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions, sticking off the back of the cowlings. They cover the smaller two bells . Thats clear, right?
Clear as a bell!
What you're building there are the left and right OMS Pods. They house the Orbital Maneuvering System (OMS) and Reaction Control System (RCS) fuel tanks. Mounted at those 3 and 9 o'clock positions are the RCS Thruster Housings below the OMS engine bell. The OMS provides supplemental thrust during launch and maneuvering for a stable orbit as well as the deorbit burn. The RCS are for orbital pitch, yaw, and roll control. http://pages.erau.edu/~ericksol/projects/shuttle/images/2orvil4.gif The holes on the nose of the orbiter are the forward RCS module: http://pages.erau.edu/~ericksol/projects/shuttle/images/2orvil3.gif http://i.imgur.com/PGGyD61.png Here endith the lesson. Great lesson, thank you. Going to print these pictures for some references for us. Good stuf. We will be building the bells in the next few days,more at least attempting to. |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 8:17:16 PM EDT
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Darn. I was hoping for a swiveling laser mount on the nose. "Student detected in hallway. Pew! Pew! Pew!" Le sigh.
Maybe next year. *IF* the robotics crew is up to the challenge!
Looking good!
(I wonder how many principals/senior admins are taking pictures, going back to their art staff and saying, "Look at what they're doing. Why can't you do that?!")
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Posted: 10/5/2016 2:14:24 AM EDT
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Good coverup. Those are actually photon torpedo ports at the very front in case the aliens get sporty on us. |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 2:33:29 AM EDT
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Great job. You and your class are impressive.
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Posted: 10/5/2016 5:02:24 AM EDT
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I can't believe I missed this thread till now. guns762, you do to good of a job hiding them!
Can't wait to see the final t-Shirt design. 
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Posted: 10/5/2016 11:32:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryUpdate 10/5 This Leisure_Shoot guy deserves a shout out. Thank you!
A little constructive critical evaluation is always good! I went back and looked at the angle of our wings. The students had called it correct, but on further evaluation we had too much angle. We have a little wiggle room, literally, once its up we can use the tethers to raise and lower the tips to the correct angle, but it's easy enough to change the angle now with the brackets. The tips of the wings were 44" from the floor. They are now 39.5". We trimmed a little material out from under the welds on the brackets, then raised the back of the brackets to lower the the angles. 
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Posted: 10/5/2016 11:49:36 AM EDT
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Looks great. Keep up the good work.
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Posted: 10/5/2016 12:42:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/5/2016 12:52:26 PM EDT
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