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Maybe there needs to be an expansion of the first amendment.  Times are changing and the internet has become a primary source of news.  To allow private businesses that disseminate news around the world to use their position to censor free speech seems like George Orwell's 1984 in real life.  As it stands now, the internet is the only real alternative to the propaganda that spews forth every evening to the masses via television.  With an internet where the owners can present only what fits their ideology the world and it's people won't get all the news.  What happened in television will happen on the internet to some degree.  The question to ask is this.  Will the world be better off with or without a free speech internet?

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That's the narrative the far Left is trying to push. Just not so sure why so many here are so eager to follow along.

Trump similarly had the opportunity to disavow the Blood and Soil crowd, he opted not to.

I've never seen us so eager to hand over the narrative to an enemy since the "let's declare war on all of Islam" threads.

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Once we eliminate free speech for vile rhetoric, we are no longer a Republic but a Democracy based on majority rule. That is not what the United States is.

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Hold on a minute there, he declared both groups as wrong, this is the problem. Both groups were wrong, the media and the left and many on the right wanted this to be about singling out a specific group and ignore the actions of the other party.

I think Trump was right in his 1st statement and should have doubled down as to how hate speech is vile and only fuels the flames, but we have the 1st Amendment and because of that we need to respect the BoR and the Constitution. Instead he looks weak by then denouncing the Alt-Right, and should have given a distinction between those of a Nazi nature (which I think was a false flag)

Once we eliminate free speech for vile rhetoric, we are no longer a Republic but a Democracy based on majority rule. That is not what the United States is.

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Trumped walked into a trap and locked the door.

His apologists here that can't see that are only fooling themselves.

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Trumped walked into a trap and locked the door.

His apologists here that can't see that are only fooling themselves.

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This article say some lawyers committee was behind it:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/26/stormfront-internets-longest-running-white-suprema/

I'll speculate they probably sent a threatening letter saying something like SF was promoting violence against someone or a group of people.

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I want to point out a few things for clarity and to help with this discussion:

1) This is not about SF hosting. They can hook up to their cable modem at home and host their website. It's about routing to it through DNS. Currently that is the critical piece of the puzzle. DNS is like the phone book. You type in a name versus the IP address. This is critical because even in today's hosting world, servers can have dynamic IPs. Still doesnt make sense? Ok so new ARFCOM hosting gives us random IPs per server as we put them up (and take them down). We have an outside IP to route traffic through, but old days was 1 static IP per server. So if you don't have a constant name to go to (AR15.COM) then it's about knowing the IP to the server.

2) ICANN is responsible for names. It used to be government run because we built the internet and owned it. Obama gave it to the world because not being government meant no more restrictions on how they could act. This was a step towards shutting down those who have different or "harmfull" opinions and voices. The mere fact that it has been only about 2 years? (3?) and we are seeing this unfold is crazy. There may be some rules in place (system rules) which are blocking another transfer attempt for their domain, but a failure/rejection to transfer is not a transfer and should not be subject to the hold on transferring. So in short, we could be led to believe they have been hijacked when indeed it's just horrid luck of being caught in a technical rule because of transfer rejections. These company's have the right to reject transfer to them, I wont argue that, but the lock down is wrong and if it was a technicality, should be fixed so that in the future this doesnt happen to others.

3) As the ARFCOM turns. I try to have plans within plans within plans for our survival. By this I mean we will find a way to exist as a site. It may be we move to the dark side, it may be we run the site from the corner of the net with a satellite hijack shitty connection. WE WILL find a way to keep people talking. Even if I die tomorrow, someone else will have copies to the files and be able to bring it to life. That does not mean every plan can't be hit at once and snuff the life out of this place, but we have planned for the worst since NY went full commie and we high tailed to Texas.

4) The net is more complex than you think. Even if this site was up and running and hosted, states/companies could filter it out and block your access. The internet is a bunch of tubes, tubes that need to go through states and connecting points owned by enemies. If they are allowed to redirect or block traffic to things you care about, that's entirely in their hands. Al Gore invented it and he can damn well do with it as he wishes!

5) Freedom of speech cannot exist if we turn our heads when it's someone or something we detest. It's all or nothing. DU, ARFCOM, STORMFRONT, ANTIFA, NFL, NASA, SPACEX, RECIPE WEBSITES are all the same. Voices which should never be silenced. It's one thing to call for the killing of folks (that specific thing should be punished) and it's another to not allow them to speak at all. If we can silence one, we can silence any. To show appreciation for a silenced voice is to root for your own voice to be removed.

6) The ALT-LEFT labels anyone who opposes them as the most vile and evil things they can for a reason. ANTIFA is anti facism right? So how is it they employ facism to fight so called "facism"? The key is to rile up your side with cries of "ASSAULT WEAPONS", versus using the truth. In the end "semi automatic weapon" is still scary to some, but not as bad as "ASSAULT WEAPONS!" So now anyone who isn't found to be leftist enough, including many middle road leftists, are lumped into the pile of enemies who are Nazi's, Racists, and Sexists.

It's no longer enough for us to defend everyone's rights, as most of us here would do, it's now about survival when they come for you bit by bit. Like it or not, you are a sexist racist nazi to many folks on the left. Since scare tactics work to gather up the sheep, that's what they are doing. These sheep are allowing wolves in their midsts, to eliminate all other wolves. This ensures that when they are the only ones standing, they can have their way.

Most of us value freedom and want the constitution to apply to every citizen. We dont want to silence the left, the alt-left, or the alt-right. We see a land where our forefathers died to create a beacon of hope and liberty for all. It's just becoming more obvious that we are the last of those who believe this anymore. Your average Joe no longer cares. They just want their kids to not ride the bench at school, get an A like everyone else, take the same "advanced" classes as everyone else, get free college to put them on par with everyone else, and have the same job and pay as everyone else, regardless of them earning it. It's time to collect on the participation trophy of life and if not, then I will use facist tactics to silence you, all the while calling you a facist and symbol of evil.

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Website was implicated in more then 100 murders over the years.

BIRMINGHAM, Ala.        (AP) -- The founder of the internet's oldest white
supremacist site said he was trying to get back online Monday after a
company revoked its domain name following complaints that it promotes
hatred and is linked to dozens of murders. Don Black, a former Ku Klux Klan leader who has operated stormfront.org
since 1995, said he didn't receive any warning before Network Solutions
blocked the use of the stormfront.org name on Friday. Stormfront.org had more than 300,000 registered users, Black said, with traffic
increasing since a violent white nationalist rally in Charlottesville,
Virginia. Popular with the KKK and neo-Nazi groups, the site included forums where users sometimes promoted white power events.

Users of Black's website have been implicated in more than 100 murders, according to the
complaint, including 77 people slain by neo-Nazi Anders Breivik at a
camp in Norway in 2011. "Especially in the wake of tragic events in Charlottesville and the spike in hate crimes
across the country, Stormfront crossed the line of permissible speech
and incited and promoted violence," said a statement by Kristen Clarke,
executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. Black, speaking about the shutdown during an online radio show Monday, said
his site had rules against promoting violence or any crime. Black was a state KKK leader under former Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke,
who appeared on the radio show following Black and expressed his "full
support" for Black and the website.
Link

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The former is temporary schadenfreude; the latter -- being black balled from the Internet -- is disturbing censorship. No, not a 1A issue, but censorship from multiple non-governmental entities.

ETA And make no mistake: as the bar for "extremism" gets lowered, ARF will end up in the same boat.

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I'm literally happy to see the bad shit crazy left stick it to American Nazis.

I hope they don't stop until the few dozen of them that actually exist are taken down.

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What're all those FBI agents going to do with their time now?

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So this has nothing to do with ICANN or international bankers? No governing body or government oversight committee? Just a private company with plenty of competition responding to an accusation by a non-governmental civic activist group.

Amazing. I guess I should put my tiki torch and pitchfork down.

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Website was implicated in more then 100 murders over the years.

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Users of Black's website have been implicated in more than 100 murders, according to the
complaint, including 77 people slain by neo-Nazi Anders Breivik at a
camp in Norway in 2011. "Especially in the wake of tragic events in Charlottesville and the spike in hate crimes
across the country, Stormfront crossed the line of permissible speech
and incited and promoted violence," said a statement by Kristen Clarke,
executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. Black, speaking about the shutdown during an online radio show Monday, said
his site had rules against promoting violence or any crime. Black was a state KKK leader under former Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke,
who appeared on the radio show following Black and expressed his "full
support" for Black and the website.
Link

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that din of nihilists and frauds has been gone for some time now, and that still has had no bearing on me.

Arfcom is not comparable. And I would be amendable to invest in any legal fund this site requires.

I have seen great things happen here.

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I've gone over to Stormfront to look at their reactions to recent events (no, I'm not a fan, just wanted the read their reactions).  The fact is that their current events forum read a lot like GD, there's just lots of "Jews" and "N*****s" comments in threads.  It would be very easy for the left to make the leap to Arfcom as a hate site.

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I'm sure the good folks at Stormfront wouldn't care much for me either.

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I'm sure the good folks at Stormfront wouldn't care much for me either.

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Website was implicated in more then 100 murders over the years.




BIRMINGHAM, Ala.        (AP) -- The founder of the internet's oldest white
supremacist site said he was trying to get back online Monday after a
company revoked its domain name following complaints that it promotes
hatred and is linked to dozens of murders. Don Black, a former Ku Klux Klan leader who has operated stormfront.org
since 1995, said he didn't receive any warning before Network Solutions
blocked the use of the stormfront.org name on Friday. Stormfront.org had more than 300,000 registered users, Black said, with traffic
increasing since a violent white nationalist rally in Charlottesville,
Virginia. Popular with the KKK and neo-Nazi groups, the site included forums where users sometimes promoted white power events.



Users of Black's website have been implicated in more than 100 murders, according to the
complaint, including 77 people slain by neo-Nazi Anders Breivik at a
camp in Norway in 2011. "Especially in the wake of tragic events in Charlottesville and the spike in hate crimes
across the country, Stormfront crossed the line of permissible speech
and incited and promoted violence," said a statement by Kristen Clarke,
executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. Black, speaking about the shutdown during an online radio show Monday, said
his site had rules against promoting violence or any crime. Black was a state KKK leader under former Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke,
who appeared on the radio show following Black and expressed his "full
support" for Black and the website.
Link