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Posted: 2/24/2007 8:24:46 AM EDT
Though this is news from last week, it requires aggressive action in terms of contacting your political representatives...
THE MOST SWEEPING GUN BAN EVER INTRODUCED IN CONGRESS; McCarthy Bill Bans Millions More Guns Than The Clinton Gun Ban On Feb. 14, 2007, Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) introduced H.R. 1022, a bill with the stated purpose, "to reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes." McCarthy's verbiage warrants explanation. Presumably, what she means by "assault weapons ban" is the Clinton Gun Ban of 1994. Congress allowed the ban to expire in 2004 for multiple reasons, including the fact that federal, state and local law enforcement agency studies showed that guns affected by the ban had been used in only a small percentage of crime, before and after the ban was imposed. With the nation's murder rate 43% lower than in 1991, and the re-legalized guns still used in only a small percentage of crime, reauthorizing the Clinton Gun Ban would be objectionable enough. But McCarthy's "other purposes" would make matters even worse. H.R. 1022 would ban every gun banned by the Clinton ban, plus millions more guns, including: - Every gun made to comply with the Clinton ban. (The Clinton ban dictated the kinds of grips, stocks and attachments new guns could have. Manufacturers modified new guns to the Clinton requirements. H.R. 1022 would ban the modified guns too.) - Guns exempted by the Clinton ban. (Ruger Mini-14s and -30s and Ranch Rifles; .30 cal. carbines; and fixed-magazine, semi-automatic, center-fire rifles that hold more than 10 rounds.) - All semi-automatic shotguns. (E.g., Remington, Winchester, Beretta and Benelli, used for hunting, sport shooting, and self-defense. H.R. 1022 would ban them because they have "any characteristic that can function as a grip," and would also ban their main component, called the "receiver.") - All detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles-including, for example, the ubiquitous Ruger 10/22 .22 rimfire-because they have "any characteristic that can function as a grip." - Target shooting rifles. (E.g., the three centerfire rifles most popular for marksmanship competitions: the Colt AR-15, the Springfield M1A and the M1 "Garand.") - Any semi-automatic shotgun or rifle an Attorney General one day claims isn't "sporting," even though the constitutions of the U.S. and 44 states, and the laws of all 50 states, recognize the right to use guns for defense. - 65 named guns (the Clinton law banned 19 by name); semi-auto fixed-magazine pistols of over 10 rounds capacity; and frames, receivers and parts used to repair or refurbish guns. H.R. 1022 would also ban the importation of magazines exempted by the Clinton ban, ban the sale of a legally-owned "assault weapon" with a magazine of over 10 rounds capacity, and begin backdoor registration of guns, by requiring private sales of banned guns, frames, receivers and parts to be conducted through licensed dealers. Finally, whereas the Clinton Gun Ban was imposed for a 10-year trial period, H.R. 1022 would be a permanent ban. H.R. [email protected] Why you should be very scared about H.R. 1022 - AWB II NRA-ILA Who to contact page |
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Sucks.
They are really pushing their luck pissing off so much of the armed population like that. |
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What's that rumbling sound...
ETA: Alright, I'm finally ready and willing to get off my ass and actually start contacting my state representatives. How can I find out what district I'm in and who I need to contact? |
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Thanks for the info Ed....Here we go again!! It will NEVER stop is seems. I sure hope this time around EVERY gun owner will stand up and say enough is enough even WITH a democratic house and senate! Nancy Pelosi and the Brady campaign are REALLY going to show their strength in the next presidential election especially if a democrat gets in office and the house and senate stays their way! They ARE starting already it seems with this latest bill. I hope a few of them remember what happened during Clinton's 2nd term when he openly admitted the NRA and gun voters were responsible for the loss at that time.
I will venture with this bill and sometime in the VERY near future we will see the Supreme Court finally rule definitively on our 2nd amendment. These next several years are going to be VERY scary years for gun owners with liberal comments such as "terrorist guns" need to be banned for national security etc. We can thank Jim Zumbo to start this terrorist hysteria already! I feel the future of gun ownership in this country will be tested like it never has before in the upcoming years all the while the UN sits awaiting in the winds. Thanks again for the heads up Ed! Vic |
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NRA-ILA has a great resource for how/who to contact: www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/ |
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Awesome, just what I needed.
Another question, email, snailmail, or personal visit? Is it exactly kosher to just go to their office and ask for 5 minutes of their time? How does that work exactly? ETA: Everyone ought to go stick that link in their respective hometown forum. In fact, hell, that oughta be tacked in every hometown forum. Good idea? |
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what the hell is this?
Yeah I think it is about time I joined too. |
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IMO, the sweeping scope of this legislation is a good thing. The FUDDS, the deer hunters, the skeet shooters, the Garand/WWII Great War purists, the "only got a 10/22 and a S&W Model 10" crowd, and the A-Teamers will now have to either stand with us or hang with us. The Zumboes can no longer deny that they're exempt from this stupidity since they only want to hunt. wganz ¶ |
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I knew this was coming I just didn't realize those bastids would try so soon.
+1 on what wganz stated on including everyone This is gonna be a long nasty battle. I wonder how this is gonna affect gun prices this weekend at the show? |
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Ayep. |
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us can call me what you want but here we go fellas..put your seat belts on,they have a axe to grind with us and they arent going to be bput down easily again.every time the democraps are put in power this happens.
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I fired off letters to all 3 of my Congress critters yesterday. To my knowledge, HR 1022 hasn't yet stained the Senate with its presence, and, with any luck and effort, won't. All the same, I went ahead and warned my Senators of this piece of horrible legislation, asking that they work to prevent any such shenanigans occurring in the Senate, and vote against HR 1022 in the event things get that far.
Below, I humbly submit the body text of my letter to my Representative, should you wish to crib/borrow from/copy it. Remember to fill in your state, and edit for your Senators if you write them as well. You may wish to hit different high points of HR 1022 than I did. There was no way to address all the evils of this bill in a one-page letter. <begin letter text> HR 1022 is a horrible, treasonous bill that would, among other things, criminalize manufacture and sale of practically all semi-automatic firearms, for no good reason and in direct opposition to the US Constitution. I need your help in defending the Constitution from its domestic enemies, which apparently include Representative Carolyn McCarthy of New York, the bill's chief proponent. I need you to vote against HR 1022, should it slip out of the Judiciary Committee in any form. I also ask that you speak against any such laws at the first opportunity, and use your influence to prevent further introduction of same in the House when possible. HR 1022 and bills like it are an affront to liberty. It would be no more effective in its supposed purpose than its predecessor, the poorly-named “Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994,” a.k.a. “Assault Weapons Ban." In 2004, AWB died a well-deserved death, ending – at least on the federal level - a 10-year witch hunt against things which should never have been illegal. Both during its reign of terror and after its expiration, there has been no evidence to indicate that AWB did anything to control violent crime. The “no mere civilian needs more than 10 rounds” and “mere civilians can't be trusted with certain weapons” mentality of the AWB is one suited to the former Soviet Union, not the United States of America. Certainly, AWB did nothing to aid (your state), nor would HR 1022. Enforcing existing laws, and stopping bad laws that would criminalize peaceful citizens, are effective ways to fight crime. No great intellect is required to realize that violent criminals, by definition, pay no mind to so-called “gun control” laws, or laws in general. Ridiculous bills like HR 1022 would only further punish honest, peaceful citizens, while doing nothing to curb those who would initiate violence against their fellow man. I am sure I can count on you to uphold your oath of office by voting against HR 1022. Thanks for serving, and I look forward to hearing from you on this topic. <end letter text> |
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I just build my first OLL AR15, what would I have to do if dems get there way? Register it? It sucks to live in Commifornia and now maybe in the US.
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Hit the NRA link in the OP, enter your zip code and fire off an email, followed up with a letter to your reps. Make your voice is heard outside of this web site! If the response is as strong as the "Zumbo Comments", we have a real fighting chance.
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Agree 100% with this one. I live in MA and that describes the attitude of many of the "sport shooters" who belong to the shooting club that I do. "Well, that AWB really doesn't affect me....." Glad to see this one as overreaching as it is. Get it all out in the open and let everyone see the agenda of the current "liberal". BTW, what liberal used to mean - "Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded." |
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Can anybody tell me if this would affect items you already own or just items in the future?
In other words, are going to go back to Pre-ban, Post-ban again? Or what. If this was enacted (I don't think so till a Dem president is in) then there will be a huge run on buying again before it goes into action. |
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Got that in an email from the NRA-ILA last evening.
As of 5 minutes ago, there were still no co-sponsors. thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.01022: |
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If the majority of liberals get their way, we wouldnt be able
to own a single shot .22LR. In a way I'm glad they are pulling this garbage, because we will see who are opposition is quickly. Lets finish this situation now, and get it over with soon. These jerks should be heckled in every public event under the sun. I've been dealing with oppresive garbage like this for so long, I decided a year ago to start pushing back. Guys, you'd better get ready to start spending days off calling, visiting, and actually protesting outside the offices and businesses of the clowns, because the alternatives are ones I'd choose as a last resort. This issue has no neutral ground. You either help protect the 2nd amendment, or you'll be considered to be with them. No fence sitting this time. |
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89 haven't made it out of commitee, out of 92. |
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1% or 100% is irrelevant. They still want to stop
private ownership of firearms, and they'll use that to lull us into a false sense that the thing wont pass. |
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Well, guess I will be writing to my elected officials. We can't sit around and let this happen. Lets all get the word out to every gun owner we know.
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The text of the bill can be found by going here and doing a search by bill number(H.R.1022).
Two points that seem to have been missed here: 1) The bill is not limited to semi-auto shotguns. The wording is "semiautomatic rifles and shotguns", and the section detailing what shotguns would be banned (by features) is not restricted to only semi-autos, so they're going after guns other than semi-autos. 2) The clause allowing the Attorney General to add guns to the ban is not restricted to what types of guns may be added, only that the guns have to have been used or designed for use by military or law enforcement (or based on such a gun). Yes, "semiautomatic rifles and shotguns" is stated in the first line of that clause, but it is the only time that wording is used. The rest of the clause uses the general term "firearms". You may think that since this is an "assault weapon" bill, that this clause will only apply to those, but that's what people kept saying about the National Instant Check System (which was created by a handgun bill that switched to the wording "firearm" in that clause). Try to think of a firearm that hasn't been used by the military or law enforcement, or designed with the intent to market it to military or law enforcement, or is based on such a firearm, then ask yourself if Janet Reno (or some other attorney general) would ban the guns you mentally cross off the list. ETA: Forgot to mention that the "definitions" section of the bill gives a definition for "detachable magazine" that can be applied to speedloaders and stripper clips. |
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If this happens, How soon can we expect it to go in to law, in other words how long do you have to stock up on things.
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Would this ban be a confiscation ban or make it illegal to even shoot the current guns we may own.
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"From my cold, dead hands"......Wish I would have know this when that dike Hilary was in Vegas, we need to protest, heckle all anti-gun politcians!
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You'd have to research the text of each federal code referenced by the bill, to see what the full extent of the bill is. At the very least, it looks like private sales would be a federal crime, with the only legal way to sell a used gun being a recorded transaction through a dealer. For an example of how difficult it can be to determine the end result of a bill that references various federal codes with 'strike line c and insert..': A while back (Clintons' second term?) the NRA sent out an alert about a bill that would tax handgun owners by requiring them to declare each handgun they own (and pay a $50 tax on each) on an IRS form that would be filed with their tax return. What the NRA seemed to miss, was that the actual intent of the bill was to reclassify handguns as NFA items (by inserting "handgun" in the text of the NFA law) and the tax form was a method to be used for collecting the new NFA transfer tax (after the fact) and adding the handguns to the NFA registry. |
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I believe we need a real show of force. Liberals tend to take the foreground when it comes to protesting, and will do it for whatever reason they see fit, but Conservs usually just remain quiet, because they know that causing a hassle is not appropriate means for getting what is right passed.
BUT...maybe we finally should do something, like a Million Gunowner March on DC! Boot. |
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My first ever political action! I am a proud citizen, and I will die gun in hand before these guys take my rights.
Representative Boustany, The House Committee on the Judiciary is currently considering H.R. 1022, to re-authorize the federal "Assault Weapons Ban". As a law abiding citizen, a law enforcement officer, and a sportsman I ask that you please do what you can to block this unneeded legislation. You are not in need of any speech from me on the merits of protecting our constitutional rights, but from a law enforcement standpoint weapons save and protect many more lives than they endanger. This, among others in a long string of attacks on our Second Amendment rights, needs to be stopped and prevented from taking hold again. Thank you for your representation, -Kade Chisholm PS. A statement of your position would be welcomed and appreciated. |
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I met Representative Boustany at a gun show a few years back in Lafayette when he was first running for office. I assume he is pro-Constitution/Bill of Rights as a fellow sportsman. I am almost certain that it is his Doctor and Lawyer friends that have been buying up the 50 BMG rifles at premiums over MSRP. |
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Ed- apparently these politicians don't spend a whole lot of time reading ARFCOM. If they did, they would know that Gun Control isn't an issue until after they get Hilary sworn in. The experts here have stated repeatedly this is not an issue and we need not worry about it. Also, they said they would let us know WHEN we need to worry about it. Of course I don't see any of them responding to this thread either.
For what it is worth I fired off my letters today. Maybe these idiots on this site will finally realize that the Left will not stop until only their bodygaurds have GUNS. Col. Clippen OUT. |
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Oh... so now since it's from NRA-ILA it's "official"? What about the JPFO and GOA articles on this same bill that we've already had threads on discussing possible impacts on us?
For the record, I've already e-mailed my Rep (Michael McCaul) on this one. Told him we'd be watching any votes on legislation like this very carefully. |
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Well my whole family is signing up including my two kids who are 3 and 2 and we think this new ban is
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She needs to be tried for treason in an attempt to derail the constitution.
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Have already sent a letter to my congressmen. Perhaps its time to remind people that with out the 2nd, how do we keep those other rights we hold dear.
Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. If you don't have the 2nd, how do we hold on to the 1st?? |
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You know, it might just be to our ultimate advantage for this to pass into law.
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Good luck trying to find all the guns here in Florida. Guns are not registered after u sell them to another person. I sold all mine to some guy that I met at a Craker Barrel.
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Where liberalism used to be a legitimate, if misguided, part of American culture, it has now become the antithisis of the system is is part of. Too many Americans simply do not pay attention to, or feel they have no voice with, our government, and so keep silent. 86% of Americans claim to be Christian... It is time for us speak out, not as activists, or extreemists, but as American citizens in the majority with a strong clear voice. We were meant to be a self governing people, independant, moral, and strong. We do not need the government to babysit us. We simply need a process by which the majority can govern it'self... Unfortunately, the Moral Majority are silent, the liberals would have us belive we are NOT the majority... and so the vocal minority sway the laws. This needs to stop! Let it begin with H.R.1022 and may we never again be silenced.
Freedom takes dilligence and action.. If we are not dilligent, and do not act, we will no longer be free. |
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Then you just violated HR1022. Private sales are not allowed under HR1022. |
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