I was thinking Florida State would be in the top 5. With all the players they've had getting into trouble lately.

Surprising isn't it? I don't blame you though, if you listen to the sports media, we get a ton of attention while there are blind eyes turned on other programs, especially programs from a certain conference.

Or it could be the fact that over half (10/19) of FSU's arrests occurred in the last 18 months.

Hooray!  We're already talking about "The Conference".

GODDAMMIT!

I was just laughing, thinking the same thing.

The surprising one on there to me was Washington State, since I never hear jack about their players getting into trouble.

Must be because they're from a certain conference.

SEC fans to the rescue!! LOL that didn't take long. There are 6 teams in the SEC with as many or more arrests than FSU since Fisher has been our coach, and 11 SEC teams in the top 23 in the country in terms of arrests. That's the large majority of the conference and I bet, without looking it up, the remaining couple teams are just outside of the top 23 listed in that pic. Funny how little play that gets.

And yes, Washington State, seriously what the hell is going on up there. That's the most random #1 I would have imagined.

They are from a fairly crime-free conference, similar to the ACC, so nobody really pays attention. FSU has been sufficing just fine as a distraction from the SEC going-ons so no need to branch out west. Yet.

I'm not an SEC fan.  I'm a Texas A&M fan.

But I am amused by the....obsession.  Season hasn't even started yet and it's already not about the teams, but the Conference Conspiracy.

Speaking of arrest rates, this actually got brought up earlier in this thread concerning A&M and arrests.  Since 2010 the numbers are bad.  The story I've heard is that Sumlin when he was hired had an attitude of "bring in anyone and everyone who wants to play and is talented, regardless of personal issues"...partially because poor recruiting would be a big negative tick on his career here.  That predictably bit him on the butt, and the recruiting process is supposed to be getting tighter so we aren't bringing in kids who are likely to go rob people at gunpoint.  That number should start to retreat to more normal for us levels over the next few years.  

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Okay, serious question here.  Do you really believe that the reason the media runs stories about FSU players getting into trouble is to run cover for SEC team players getting into trouble?  That's the motivation behind the coverage in your mind?

All of the arrests have been scrutinized pretty heavily in the SEC........so nobody is skating

No, in reality I don't.

We've definitely had a bad run lately and deserve to be called on it, but I do feel the same should be applied to other teams that are experiencing the same "difficulties".

No its because they are Washington State and no one cares.

Then why even say such a silly thing?

It has nothing to do with your bad run of player arrests.  It has everything to do with recent success and popularity.

Let me clue you in on why we haven't heard much about Washington State and their number of player arrests:  Because no one gives a fuck about a team who went 3-9 last season.  No one outside of the local Texas media is going to make much of A&M's arrests....because it wasn't any of our star players and we went 8-5 last year.  

When Manziel won the Heisman and then got in trouble, he was on ESPN constantly.  Was it because ESPN was out to get A&M?  Was he providing cover for Alabama players who were doing worse things?  No, he was a recent success story and therefore was news.

FSU won a national championship and a Heisman recently.  That's why what your players do is news, period.  

It's as simple as that.  If you want to get away from the SEC News Conspiracy, stop winning.  I promise people will stop caring what your players do if you go under .500.  

No, but you're smoking something if you don't realize that "crab legs" and yelling FHRITP got more media coverage (and serious calls for his suspension) then a player dealing drugs from his dorm room!

And that bag of dicks from Pitt who Who was arrested for vandalism, threats, and battery on a police officer had the nerve to tell Winston to "grow up".

How many other schools did EsecPN pull every single police report where any player was mentioned on for the last 12 years?

How many?


I'll save you the time looking it up. None.


The retort that Tomahawk nation (I think it was them) did was epic though. Pulled all the info/police involvement on a shitload of ESPN employees. Fuck! I was stunned at the amount of serious criminal shit those people had on their record!  . Not just parking ticket bullshit, legit criminal activity. The article was so long in fact I stopped reading.....after like three pages!


Glass houses and all that shit.

I won't pick on any other school but before you go throwing stones at our house, better check to make sure the foundation on yours isn't made of the same materials as your windows.

Also wanted to add, I think Fisher is doing the same things here in terms of carefully selecting recruits. We had a bad run with guys like Greg Reid and Ira Denson, who were both arrested multiple times and subsequently removed from the team but it has quieted down over the last couple years, minus all the Winston stuff so I'm hoping our numbers drop dramatically over the next few years. The youngsters seem to be a really good group of guys so I'm optimistic.

Ok, enough of the purse swinging bullshit. I need September 5th to come already.

That jackass said similar stuff about Manziel.  

If only we had been in the right conference, he would have laid off.  

Mark May is equally hated by all. He's a whole different level of jerkoff than any other idiot on bspn.

MMB5G@P

Maybe the local PD knows better than to arrest them

The player dealing drugs from his dorm was kicked off the team and faces charges from the police department.............which was covered ad nauseum because of the team he was on..........

Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.  

 

Meh, you guys are plenty deep at receiver. Granted he's a stud but you'll have others that can fill the gap.

welcome to college, Freshman

Looks like the SEC is back in the lead again



 

Haha nice.

Saw this breakdown of the new rule changes for 2015.

Non-Standard Overbuilt Facemasks Are Illegal: This is a facemask characterized by greater weight and closer spacing between the bars. Use of the facemask is a safety issue as opponents can easily get their fingers caught in the tight space. The NFL outlawed this facemask a few years ago.

Illegal Equipment: Player is Out for One Play: Up until now, if the officials noticed that a player was wearing illegal equipment, the team was charged one of its three timeouts. The new rule is that the player must leave the game for at least one play and may not return until the equipment is made legal. His team may burn a timeout to keep him from missing a down, but the equipment must be corrected before he is allowed to play.

Pregame Warm-Ups: Teams Guaranteed Access to the Field: By the new rule, the teams are now guaranteed that they may remain on the field for pregame warm-ups until at least 22 minutes before the opening kickoff. The committee was concerned that teams were being forced to leave the field early because of other pregame activities, and thus were having to spend too much time in the locker room before the kickoff. The new rule may be suspended for a given game by prior mutual agreement of the teams.

Resetting the Play Clock When the Ball is Not Ready for Play: When the play clock begins its count from 40 seconds, on rare occasions the officials will have difficulty getting a new ball from the sidelines. In such a case after some period of time, the referee will stop the game clock and signal for the play clock to be reset to 25 seconds. In previous years, this was done after 20 seconds had elapsed. This has been changed to 15 seconds, to prevent too much time from running off the clock. This happens very seldom, but there must be a rule to deal with it.

Helmet off Defensive Player: Play Clock Set to 40 Seconds: When a player’s helmet comes off, the game clock is stopped, and the player must leave the game for one play. In past years, the play clock has been set to 25 seconds. Last year, however, there were a few situations near the end of a half where this happened with more than 25 seconds on the game clock; this forces the offense to have to snap the ball one more time when they were trying to run out the clock. So now the play clock is set to 40 seconds when a defensive player loses his helmet, and still to 25 seconds when it is a player on offense. This is also consistent with the rule for stopping the game due to an injured player.

Pushing or Pulling an Opponent off the Pile: Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Player safety continues to be a major emphasis of the rules committee. This new rule addresses player action at the end of a fumble play, for example, when several players are scuffling for the ball in a pile. Starting in 2015, if a player forcibly pulls or pushes an opponent off the pile, he is to be charged with unsportsmanlike conduct. Here’s why this is important: if a player is flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct twice in the game, he is automatically disqualified after the second offense. The committee believes this will be a major deterrent to this kind of action, which can lead to more trouble and potential injury.

Sideline Warning Returns: An important point of emphasis for the rules committee and the officials is keeping the sidelines clean. This means that players and coaches are not allowed in the restricted area---the space between the sidelines and the coaches’ box and team area. For a long time, the first infraction led to a sideline warning, with no yardage penalty. After a few years the rule was changed to assess a five-yard penalty for the first offense. Now, we are returning to the warning for the first infraction. No yardage penalty will result until the second offense.

Instant Replay: Blocking During an On-Side Kick May Be Reviewed: One of the important rules about kickoffs is that the kicking team is not allowed to touch the ball until it has gone ten yards, unless a receiver touches the ball first. After it has gone ten yards, either team may get the ball. A rule that is not so well known is that the kicking team may not block until they are eligible to touch the ball. The instant replay official (IRO) has always been able to review whether the kick is touched. Starting in 2015, the IRO may also review whether the kicking team blocks before being eligible to touch the ball; if they do, it is a foul. The rules committee feels that because of the enormous potential for the kicking team to get possession of the ball as the result of blocking too early, the IRO should be able to review this play and possibly “create a foul” from the replay booth.

Only one of those that i think is wrong is the first one. Players shouldn't be face masking each other anyway.

I know that on the o-line, it isn't that uncommon to get a finger stuck.  It isn't just face masking.

Yeah I guess the thing is most facemasks are unintentional and it sucks if one of your players gets a couple fingers broken and has to miss a couple/few weeks simply because of helmet aesthetics.

Although I can't ever remember hearing of a player getting injured like this I'm sure it's happened enough that complaints initiated this.

FSU getting a pep talk from former Buckeye. Hopefully all the speakers they are bringing in will resonate with some of the players. The problems Clarett discusses in this article are not unique to FSU.

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2015/8/20/9181503/maurice-clarett-tells-florida-state-players-to-not-be-like-him

No kidding
The butthurt and purse swinging during the offseason has made some of the cfb forums uninhabitable.

2 weeks from today

 
I LOVE FOOTBALL. But I HATE winter and snow. When Football season starts, cold weather is just around the corner. So I dread football season alot too.

Sounds like a geographical problem.  

Have you been following any of the scuttlebutt up there?  What is the general feeling?


I said it before when Harbaugh was still only "an idea".....He'll turn that program around in as little as 9 games.  I really don't think it will take several seasons.

In fact, if I was to put my money where my mouth is I'd go with Big Blue upsetting tOSU this year.

 
You must embrace the cold as well as the pain and dread that it brings you.

 
I used to listen to the local sports talk radio, religiously for like 6-7 years. I eventually gave up, figuring the dudes have no better idea on how Michigan or Michigan State is going to play this year, than I do.




It's all just a bunch of guessing. I take whatever they say on there with as much grain of salt as I would with a Gypsy fortune teller.




I have actually listened to them the past few weeks on podcasts, but nothing real interesting. Other than, a Star defensemen for Michigan got injured, who is apparently a giant. And people arguing that Michigan has plenty of talent to win now, they just didn't have a coach who could get them all to buy-in and working well together. ect ect.


 

The one thing, that I thought was encouraging was Harbaugh was cutting off interviews midway through them, saying he felt like his team needs to get better, and he didn't feel like they were getting better if he was doing interviews.

I think Harbaugh is going to turn it around in short order. There are teams out there that always have players, they just need the right coach to put it together and it can happen fast. I think Michigan is one of those teams. I also think Miami is another that's a good coach away from being really good again.

 
I think he'll prove to be a better coach than Urban Cryer.


Sorry, but Urban could never have taken the 49ers and turned them into Super Bowl contenders 3 years in a row.


Or taken Stanford, which was the laughing stock of the Pac-10/12 and REGULARLY beat Pete Carroll's USC. By of which, USC has always had more raw talent than Ohio State, and Stanford can never get the kind of talent Michigan can recruit.

I think the big take away is that after this season he'll start to take the commits that have been going to the Spartans the last several years.  In state recruiting has definitely favored State since the Wolverines started to suck donkey dick.

If you decide to bet, let me know.

 
Recruiting class rankings, Michigan has had better recruiting than MSU. On paper.


But other than that......

$1 or avatar change?

Getting itchy to see the season start...


Odd to note that there doesn't seem to be much pre-season coverage of the Badgers in the Madison newspapers website. Last year, it seemed like there was lots of features & chatter going on. I would have thought to see as much this year, with a new coach in, but I don't see it. Maybe Chryst is keeping a lower profile than his predecessor.

Probably a good idea - the team doesn't look to be as good as last year's. Same lousy, crappy, pathetic QB, worse receivers, and question marks on the O-line, which is usually Wisconsin's biggest strength (literally).

On, Wisconsin!

MC was a great player for the buckeyes, and a huge reason they won the NC when he played. He was a dumbass though and threw it all away. Hopefully the kids listen to him.

 

$1

That avatar is there to stay

 
The O-line isn't going to be as strong as we are used to seeing IMO.  Bielema left the cupboard bare and Jerry was trying to force juco level scholars in to a university with admissions standards(for athletes) that


are some of the most difficult in the country.  2-3 years of poor recruiting, especially the o-line, has made the Badgers thin.  I think people are being cautious with the expectations for Chryst.  I think we'll have


a decent season, but most of that will be attributable to a weak schedule.  Next year will be brutal.

At least you wish.

 

Win a few games before you talk of these things you hope for.