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Getting a coach to that will be successful seems so hard. A ton of programs are experiencing having to get a new coach every 4-5 years. Notre Dame STILL is having trouble, and they've went after real smart coaches with great records at other schools. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: A series of shitty AD's who hired a series of shitty football coaches. Stay tuned the tide is changing in Lincoln. Then the new guy gets there, brings in a completely new staff, changes the offensive and defensive schemes and doesn’t necessarily have the players to fit his “system”. Then you have the dynamic of a bunch of 18-20 kids who signed to play with a position coach and HC they were comfortable with and maybe don’t like the new guys and the fact that everyone is now competing for a starting spot all over again. Now we have the playoffs and all the big schools and especially the fan bases feel like anything less than making the 4 team playoff is failure. That means 126 teams fail and only 4 are successful every year. |
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Fleck started one year before Frost. Last year, Minnesota won their major rivalry game and won a bowl game, and this year is 8-0 and has the driver's seat for the championship game. Frost is not doing as well as Fleck. C'mon Husker fans, what gives? Maybe Fleck is just a vastly better coach? View Quote Are Flecks offensive and defensive schemes similar to what was already being used there so they transferred over better? Did he lose a lot of players to graduation the first few years allowing him to turn over the existing players faster thus allowing him to bring in players that better fit his schemes? There are a lot of dynamics that play out when a coaching change occurs. It’s not always the same team trotting out on the field just because the uniforms look familiar. Maybe OSU and Oklahoma are on to something with coaching transitions in lieu of completely new hires so there’s not such a dramatic change in the program. |
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The sun shines on a dogs ass every now and then, though when Minnesota plays someone with a pulse the wheels will fall off like what has already happened to Wisconsin. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fleck started one year before Frost. Last year, Minnesota won their major rivalry game and won a bowl game, and this year is 8-0 and has the driver's seat for the championship game. Frost is not doing as well as Fleck. C'mon Husker fans, what gives? Maybe Fleck is just a vastly better coach? They haven’t played a ranked team yet. They catch 3 ranked teams in their final 4 games. Now we’ll get to see if Minnesota is for real. |
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Yep. Minnesota has played 1 FCS, 2 G5’s and 2 dumpster fires in Rutgers and Maryland. They haven’t played a ranked team yet. They catch 3 ranked teams in their final 4 games. Now we’ll get to see if Minnesota is for real. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fleck started one year before Frost. Last year, Minnesota won their major rivalry game and won a bowl game, and this year is 8-0 and has the driver's seat for the championship game. Frost is not doing as well as Fleck. C'mon Husker fans, what gives? Maybe Fleck is just a vastly better coach? They haven’t played a ranked team yet. They catch 3 ranked teams in their final 4 games. Now we’ll get to see if Minnesota is for real. They’re not. |
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Interesting change of tone after Michigan beat ND. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dabo might be a good model to run on. 5 years might be too soon. And just to pull from the past... Ohio State was just about to fire Woody Hayes. OSU was called the Graveyard of Coaches. And he was not doing well. Then all of a sudden things clicked for him and his teams. Like that quote from Peter in Moneyball saying to Billie Bean who almost accepts a huge contract offer to be the General Manger for the Red Sox: "You're doing it for what the money says. It says what it says to any player who gets big money: that they're worth it." |
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Fleck started one year before Frost. Last year, Minnesota won their major rivalry game and won a bowl game, and this year is 8-0 and has the driver's seat for the championship game. Frost is not doing as well as Fleck. C'mon Husker fans, what gives? Maybe Fleck is just a vastly better coach? View Quote Luckily he has '7-8 years' to work with so maybe by year 4-5 he will learn to fire his yes men and learn to not be buddy buddy with everyone. He also has a dilemma of recruits not wanting to go up north anymore. Corn fed boys just dont have the speed of players in the SE USA and Frost needs that for his scheme to work. |
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Because fan bases are impatient. They get on message boards, Twitter, Facebook and say ugly things about coaches and players and it spreads like wildfire. Then the big money boosters feel like they’re not getting what they paid for and start calling the AD and it goes downhill from there and they start looking at what they see as a proven commodity or the hot, young name having success at the G5 level. Then the new guy gets there, brings in a completely new staff, changes the offensive and defensive schemes and doesn’t necessarily have the players to fit his “system”. Then you have the dynamic of a bunch of 18-20 kids who signed to play with a position coach and HC they were comfortable with and maybe don’t like the new guys and the fact that everyone is now competing for a starting spot all over again. Now we have the playoffs and all the big schools and especially the fan bases feel like anything less than making the 4 team playoff is failure. That means 126 teams fail and only 4 are successful every year. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: A series of shitty AD's who hired a series of shitty football coaches. Stay tuned the tide is changing in Lincoln. Then the new guy gets there, brings in a completely new staff, changes the offensive and defensive schemes and doesn’t necessarily have the players to fit his “system”. Then you have the dynamic of a bunch of 18-20 kids who signed to play with a position coach and HC they were comfortable with and maybe don’t like the new guys and the fact that everyone is now competing for a starting spot all over again. Now we have the playoffs and all the big schools and especially the fan bases feel like anything less than making the 4 team playoff is failure. That means 126 teams fail and only 4 are successful every year. Used to be making a bowl game was success. Now you get mocked if you don’t make a “good” bowl or the final 4 you suck |
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Exactly Used to be making a bowl game was success. Now you get mocked if you don’t make a “good” bowl or the final 4 you suck View Quote Who would want to risk injury playing in the bad boy mowers boca raton bowl? |
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LOL FUCK THAT. Harbaugh is getting paid close to the same amount of money as Saban, and other elite coaches. Those coaches get paid that kind of money because they have several National Titles under their belts or continually win 11 games every year. A terrible season for those coaches is 10 wins. Harbaugh hasn't done a single one of those things. Like that quote from Peter in Moneyball saying to Billie Bean who almost accepts a huge contract offer to be the General Manger for the Red Sox: "You're doing it for what the money says. It says what it says to any player who gets big money: that they're worth it." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dabo might be a good model to run on. 5 years might be too soon. And just to pull from the past... Ohio State was just about to fire Woody Hayes. OSU was called the Graveyard of Coaches. And he was not doing well. Then all of a sudden things clicked for him and his teams. Like that quote from Peter in Moneyball saying to Billie Bean who almost accepts a huge contract offer to be the General Manger for the Red Sox: "You're doing it for what the money says. It says what it says to any player who gets big money: that they're worth it." There are probably about 20 other schools looking for this same guy and many of them have a big bag of money in tow. |
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Like I said in the post a few pages back that got buried, Frost has some changes to make in his coaching style (off the field) and who he surrounds himself with but that will take time. Luckily he has '7-8 years' to work with so maybe by year 4-5 he will learn to fire his yes men and learn to not be buddy buddy with everyone. He also has a dilemma of recruits not wanting to go up north anymore. Corn fed boys just dont have the speed of players in the SE USA and Frost needs that for his scheme to work. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fleck started one year before Frost. Last year, Minnesota won their major rivalry game and won a bowl game, and this year is 8-0 and has the driver's seat for the championship game. Frost is not doing as well as Fleck. C'mon Husker fans, what gives? Maybe Fleck is just a vastly better coach? Luckily he has '7-8 years' to work with so maybe by year 4-5 he will learn to fire his yes men and learn to not be buddy buddy with everyone. He also has a dilemma of recruits not wanting to go up north anymore. Corn fed boys just dont have the speed of players in the SE USA and Frost needs that for his scheme to work. |
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Quoted: A series of shitty AD's who hired a series of shitty football coaches. Stay tuned the tide is changing in Lincoln. Then the new guy gets there, brings in a completely new staff, changes the offensive and defensive schemes and doesn’t necessarily have the players to fit his “system”. Then you have the dynamic of a bunch of 18-20 kids who signed to play with a position coach and HC they were comfortable with and maybe don’t like the new guys and the fact that everyone is now competing for a starting spot all over again. Now we have the playoffs and all the big schools and especially the fan bases feel like anything less than making the 4 team playoff is failure. That means 126 teams fail and only 4 are successful every year. Used to be making a bowl game was success. Now you get mocked if you don’t make a “good” bowl or the final 4 you suck The playoffs have completely changed the landscape in college football all the way from recruiting thru the bowl games. They are the only thing that matters any more. |
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Bet they don't pull much of it from Nebraska though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Penn St and Ohio St don’t appear to have a problem recruiting team speed. As an example, Texas has always been a recruiting hotbed with tons of talent. Hell its always been a joke (with some truth) that Oklahoma’s team is comprised of kids from Texas. In the group of 2020 current commits the Ags have 8 of the 18 from out of state. Arkansas, New Jersey, Illinois, North Carolina, Maryland, Tennessee, Georgia. So it’s not like it’s just easy to reach states bordering Texas either. I’d imagine any major program looks like this. |
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Quoted: And here comes the question we have been asking you frustrated Michigan fans for 3 years now; When you fire Harbaugh, who are you going to replace him with that is going to GUARANTEE you those 11 win seasons along with playoff appearances? There are probably about 20 other schools looking for this same guy and many of them have a big bag of money in tow. View Quote I do know it's pretty sad that Michigan used to dominate the Big 10 all the time. And has only won ONE Big 10 Championship in 15 years...... That might be the biggest, most embarrassing fact. Where you got a Conference as easy to dominate as the Big 10. And there are many teams with less talent and less resources winning or competing several times more than Michigan. |
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He's not going to get fired. If you are a guy like him with his connections to the Alumni, Boosters and his big respect for Tradition and the Rivalry games. He's in the good old boys club. I do know it's pretty sad that Michigan used to dominate the Big 10 all the time. And has only won ONE Big 10 Championship in 15 years...... That might be the biggest, most embarrassing fact. Where you got a Conference as easy to dominate as the Big 10. And there are many teams with less talent and less resources winning or competing several times more than Michigan. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: And here comes the question we have been asking you frustrated Michigan fans for 3 years now; When you fire Harbaugh, who are you going to replace him with that is going to GUARANTEE you those 11 win seasons along with playoff appearances? There are probably about 20 other schools looking for this same guy and many of them have a big bag of money in tow. I do know it's pretty sad that Michigan used to dominate the Big 10 all the time. And has only won ONE Big 10 Championship in 15 years...... That might be the biggest, most embarrassing fact. Where you got a Conference as easy to dominate as the Big 10. And there are many teams with less talent and less resources winning or competing several times more than Michigan. No one stays at the top forever. Look at UCLA in college basketball as an example. Didn’t they win like 10 consecutive national championships in the 60s? Now that program is inconsequential. Clemson is a good example in football. They came out of nowhere about 5 years ago. I know it’s hard to keep the faith but Michigan has been 1 win away from glory numerous times in the last 3-4 years. You fire that coach and history says you don’t fix that the great majority of the time. |
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Quoted: And here comes the question we have been asking you frustrated Michigan fans for 3 years now; When you fire Harbaugh, who are you going to replace him with that is going to GUARANTEE you those 11 win seasons along with playoff appearances? There are probably about 20 other schools looking for this same guy and many of them have a big bag of money in tow. View Quote Fearing the unknown of a different coach is a loser’s mentality that settles for the status quo. I don’t want the status quo; I want championships. What if that means hiring/firing 5 coaches to get there? So. Fucking. What. Harbaugh *will not* win the Big 10 or make the playoffs. I want to find someone who has a chance to do either of those. Why can’t we find a Day or Riley or Smart? We can’t if we stick with a Michigan ManTM |
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There is no guarantee. But we KNOW Harbaugh is not that guy. Nothing in sports is guaranteed, unless you are talking about Saban or the Patriots. Fearing the unknown of a different coach is a loser’s mentality that settles for the status quo. I don’t want the status quo; I want championships. What if that means hiring/firing 5 coaches to get there? So. Fucking. What. Harbaugh *will not* win the Big 10 or make the playoffs. I want to find someone who has a chance to do either of those. Why can’t we find a Day or Riley or Smart? We can’t if we stick with a Michigan ManTM View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: And here comes the question we have been asking you frustrated Michigan fans for 3 years now; When you fire Harbaugh, who are you going to replace him with that is going to GUARANTEE you those 11 win seasons along with playoff appearances? There are probably about 20 other schools looking for this same guy and many of them have a big bag of money in tow. Fearing the unknown of a different coach is a loser’s mentality that settles for the status quo. I don’t want the status quo; I want championships. What if that means hiring/firing 5 coaches to get there? So. Fucking. What. Harbaugh *will not* win the Big 10 or make the playoffs. I want to find someone who has a chance to do either of those. Why can’t we find a Day or Riley or Smart? We can’t if we stick with a Michigan ManTM Maybe that’s the new key to success for some programs? Maybe at some schools that can’t quite break over the hump there’s a OC or DC in the wings that’s capable of making a few small tweaks to what’s already in place in lieu of throwing everything out and hiring a completely new staff? |
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Quoted: It’s interesting that 2 of the 3 you mention come from within an already successful organization. Maybe that’s the new key to success for some programs? Maybe at some schools that can’t quite break over the hump there’s a OC or DC in the wings that’s capable of making a few small tweaks to what’s already in place in lieu of throwing everything out and hiring a completely new staff? View Quote It also helps that, theoretically, good coaches hire other good coaches. Having Urban or Saban see something in you to give control over 1 side of the ball is kind of a big deal |
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................ What if that means hiring/firing 5 coaches to get there? So. Fucking. What. Harbaugh *will not* win the Big 10 or make the playoffs. I want to find someone who has a chance to do either of those....................... View Quote |
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Yep. Knowing the recruits, program, boosters, fans, and environment would be extremely helpful. It also helps that, theoretically, good coaches hire other good coaches. Having Urban or Saban see something in you to give control over 1 side of the ball is kind of a big deal View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: It’s interesting that 2 of the 3 you mention come from within an already successful organization. Maybe that’s the new key to success for some programs? Maybe at some schools that can’t quite break over the hump there’s a OC or DC in the wings that’s capable of making a few small tweaks to what’s already in place in lieu of throwing everything out and hiring a completely new staff? It also helps that, theoretically, good coaches hire other good coaches. Having Urban or Saban see something in you to give control over 1 side of the ball is kind of a big deal Sabans turnover of assistants is ridiculous. It’s actually pretty incredible and a testament to the mans ability to stay as successful as they have been when you factor that in. |
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Alabama had several misfires before they struck gold. View Quote He just needs our support and we should be happy with 7-9 win seasons while losing to Auburn and LSU |
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The key is figuring out how to keep them around long enough since they’re the ones getting poached by other schools. Sabans turnover of assistants is ridiculous. It’s actually pretty incredible and a testament to the mans ability to stay as successful as they have been when you factor that in. View Quote Dabo's success is "Family". Things don't changed nearly as much in Clemson. His people stay in place. The stability is the key to their success. Other Coaches and their approaches aren't as complete and that is why their programs are less successful. Monk |
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The sun shines on a dogs ass every now and then, though when Minnesota plays someone with a pulse the wheels will fall off like what has already happened to Wisconsin. They haven’t played a ranked team yet. They catch 3 ranked teams in their final 4 games. Now we’ll get to see if Minnesota is for real. They’re not. ETA - Wisconsin has to win out AND have Minnesota lose one other game in order to win the division and the chance to get whipped by OSU again. To be honest, I'd rather Wisconsin win out and Minnesota still win the division, just to avoid having to play OSU again. |
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Saban's success is "The Process". Players, coordinators, and coaches change. The Process doesn't. Granted "The Process" evolves. Bama's changed from a power running team to high powered offense. Dabo's success is "Family". Things don't changed nearly as much in Clemson. His people stay in place. The stability is the key to their success. Other Coaches and their approaches aren't as complete and that is why their programs are less successful. Monk View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The key is figuring out how to keep them around long enough since they’re the ones getting poached by other schools. Sabans turnover of assistants is ridiculous. It’s actually pretty incredible and a testament to the mans ability to stay as successful as they have been when you factor that in. Dabo's success is "Family". Things don't changed nearly as much in Clemson. His people stay in place. The stability is the key to their success. Other Coaches and their approaches aren't as complete and that is why their programs are less successful. Monk 1 common thing I’m seeing in that is the programs that are doing that aren’t missing a beat and taking as big a reset as most schools normally do when hiring from the outside. |
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Quoted: Saban's success is "The Process". Players, coordinators, and coaches change. The Process doesn't. Granted "The Process" evolves. Bama's changed from a power running team to high powered offense. Dabo's success is "Family". Things don't changed nearly as much in Clemson. His people stay in place. The stability is the key to their success. Other Coaches and their approaches aren't as complete and that is why their programs are less successful. Monk View Quote ETA: I ask just because I think the answer will be entertaining. |
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What is Urban's key to success? He's done well everywhere he's been. ETA: I ask just because I think the answer will be entertaining. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Saban's success is "The Process". Players, coordinators, and coaches change. The Process doesn't. Granted "The Process" evolves. Bama's changed from a power running team to high powered offense. Dabo's success is "Family". Things don't changed nearly as much in Clemson. His people stay in place. The stability is the key to their success. Other Coaches and their approaches aren't as complete and that is why their programs are less successful. Monk ETA: I ask just because I think the answer will be entertaining. |
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I have no idea how Dabo managed to keep Venables for so long. I guess the guy really has no intention of becoming a head coach somewhere. That consistent defense has been huge for Clemson. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is Urban's key to success? He's done well everywhere he's been. ETA: I ask just because I think the answer will be entertaining. |
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That seems obvious but he's teaching a Leadership and Character course at tOSU. How can we make sense of this?
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What is Urban's key to success? He's done well everywhere he's been. ETA: I ask just because I think the answer will be entertaining. Whoever turns in the cheater to the dean gets railroaded and forced to transfer to Southwest Missouri State Teacher’s College for the Blind? |
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Biggest cheater gets an A? Whoever turns in the cheater to the dean gets railroaded and forced to transfer to Southwest Missouri State Teacher's College for the Blind? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is Urban's key to success? He's done well everywhere he's been. ETA: I ask just because I think the answer will be entertaining. Whoever turns in the cheater to the dean gets railroaded and forced to transfer to Southwest Missouri State Teacher's College for the Blind? |
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Uh oh, first time in a long time Bama is on the receiving end of a SEC Short
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Uh oh, first time in a long time Bama is on the receiving end of a SEC Short https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2zFBQpsf2s View Quote |
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Uh oh, first time in a long time Bama is on the receiving end of a SEC Short https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2zFBQpsf2s View Quote I kept hoping the LSU guy would eat a corn dog... * Monk *Sorry LC I had to take the shot. |
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I have no idea how Dabo managed to keep Venables for so long. I guess the guy really has no intention of becoming a head coach somewhere. That consistent defense has been huge for Clemson. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I have no idea how Dabo managed to keep Venables for so long. I guess the guy really has no intention of becoming a head coach somewhere. That consistent defense has been huge for Clemson. Just so people understand where I’m at right now, my son, Jake, is here (at Clemson as a freshman linebacker). He’s chasing a dream. I sold that dream to him. My responsibility as a dad is to support him for as long as he wants to chase his dreams. Who am I to be a hypocrite, regardless of what opportunities are out there? That’s how I look at it. |
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Baylor doesn't have any seniors that have beaten West Virginia. McClane is going to be rocking Thursday night. Turn up the Mo Bamba.
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