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Posted: 1/8/2023 12:23:53 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I bet the shooter was an illegal with prior military or army training and experience. He probably works for the cartel in some manner and is probably back in Mexico. I doubt they will find , unless they have his prints already. I would probably go not guilty if I was on the jury. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/raw-355.gif |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 12:27:47 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The edited version. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: NRA is sharing the video on Facebook. Whether they are using it for advertising or will actually back the defender remains to unfold. The edited version. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 12:32:12 AM EDT
[#3]
If there an extended version that shows the whole enchilada?
Most of the videos are from Channel 11 Houston and to avoid glamorizing gun violence, they stop at the point the Citizen pulls out his gun - they don't show the first shot, much less the last ones. Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 1/8/2023 12:33:27 AM EDT
[#4]
Harris County DA might have a problem with this one due to the anchor shot and questionable shoot while fleeing. If he did this in Montgomery County they would still like to talk since he did leave the scene and discharged a firearm.
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Posted: 1/8/2023 12:35:14 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Film tells the story. No need for questioning. 100% |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 12:39:35 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sooner or later you have to make a statement even in a clear-cut case of self defense. Not true. You don't have to say jack shit. 5th amendment. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 12:56:45 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If there an extended version that shows the whole enchilada? Most of the videos are from Channel 11 Houston and to avoid glamorizing gun violence, they stop at the point the Citizen pulls out his gun - they don't show the first shot, much less the last ones. Bigger_Hammer
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:01:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If there an extended version that shows the whole enchilada? Most of the videos are from Channel 11 Houston and to avoid glamorizing gun violence, they stop at the point the Citizen pulls out his gun - they don't show the first shot, much less the last ones. Bigger_Hammer
Oh man haha. Looked like a mag dump with an anchor shot. It’ll be interesting to see how this goes for him. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:07:17 AM EDT
[#9]
Does anyone recognize the song? It's quite catchy
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:07:29 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How would answering questions benefit him? It's not for his benefit. Get it? |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:33:45 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone recognize the song? It's quite catchy @TheOldRepublic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkmNhe7lnLw |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:34:27 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh man haha. Looked like a mag dump with an anchor shot. It’ll be interesting to see how this goes for him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If there an extended version that shows the whole enchilada? Most of the videos are from Channel 11 Houston and to avoid glamorizing gun violence, they stop at the point the Citizen pulls out his gun - they don't show the first shot, much less the last ones. Bigger_Hammer
Oh man haha. Looked like a mag dump with an anchor shot. It’ll be interesting to see how this goes for him. First four shots are easy to justify. Next four get progressively harder to justify. Final shot looks like either a negligent discharge, or an FU anchor shot. Having said that, I have never been in that position and hope that day never comes. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:37:28 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryYeah, nice anchor shot. I have no issue with it. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:39:32 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First four shots are easy to justify. Next four get progressively harder to justify. Final shot looks like either a negligent discharge, or an FU anchor shot. Having said that, I have never been in that position and hope that day never comes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If there an extended version that shows the whole enchilada? Most of the videos are from Channel 11 Houston and to avoid glamorizing gun violence, they stop at the point the Citizen pulls out his gun - they don't show the first shot, much less the last ones. Bigger_Hammer
Oh man haha. Looked like a mag dump with an anchor shot. It’ll be interesting to see how this goes for him. First four shots are easy to justify. Next four get progressively harder to justify. Final shot looks like either a negligent discharge, or an FU anchor shot. Having said that, I have never been in that position and hope that day never comes. I think he could articulate justification for the second four as he doesn't know if the guy is able to turn around and shoot back yet. The 9th shot....looks bad. Hopefully they don't find him. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:39:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Harris County DA might have a problem with this one due to the anchor shot and questionable shoot while fleeing. If he did this in Montgomery County they would still like to talk since he did leave the scene and discharged a firearm. The fleeing part isn't an issue in TX. Anchor shot, maybe. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:40:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh man haha. Looked like a mag dump with an anchor shot. It’ll be interesting to see how this goes for him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If there an extended version that shows the whole enchilada? Most of the videos are from Channel 11 Houston and to avoid glamorizing gun violence, they stop at the point the Citizen pulls out his gun - they don't show the first shot, much less the last ones. Bigger_Hammer
Oh man haha. Looked like a mag dump with an anchor shot. It’ll be interesting to see how this goes for him. Beautiful kill. I’d have that jury hung like Seabiscuit. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:41:28 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Beautiful kill. I’d have that jury hung like Seabiscuit. Grand jury day: Him: "I took the last shot because I was in fear for my and the other patron's lives." Me: "Sounds reasonable." |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:50:05 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope based taco customer is never found. Murder every robber because they have no respect for life or law. You can’t ‘murder’ a robber any more than you can murder a rapist or pedophile. Their literal existence justifies their demise. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 1:53:47 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First four shots are easy to justify. Next four get progressively harder to justify. Final shot looks like either a negligent discharge, or an FU anchor shot. Having said that, I have never been in that position and hope that day never comes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If there an extended version that shows the whole enchilada? Most of the videos are from Channel 11 Houston and to avoid glamorizing gun violence, they stop at the point the Citizen pulls out his gun - they don't show the first shot, much less the last ones. Bigger_Hammer
Oh man haha. Looked like a mag dump with an anchor shot. It’ll be interesting to see how this goes for him. First four shots are easy to justify. Next four get progressively harder to justify. Final shot looks like either a negligent discharge, or an FU anchor shot. Having said that, I have never been in that position and hope that day never comes. Yeah hopefully I never have to make decisions like that on the fly. Too easy to make one small mistake that wrecks your life. I’m not sure I even would have shot in that situation(like the guy did… waiting like that). Draw when you can discreetly do it and keep it ready and hidden, probably. But shooting someone that is walking away from behind.. ehh to much risk of going to prison for a long time. If anything this video has me thinking about carrying in a way that is quick and easy to draw. As soon as masked dude with gun rolls in it’s time to get to work. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:03:38 AM EDT
[#20]
The music playing in the background
  Los Tigres Del Norte - Qué Tal Si Eres Tu (Audio) |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:05:38 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah hopefully I never have to make decisions like that on the fly. Too easy to make one small mistake that wrecks your life. I’m not sure I even would have shot in that situation(like the guy did… waiting like that). Draw when you can discreetly do it and keep it ready and hidden, probably. But shooting someone that is walking away from behind.. ehh to much risk of going to prison for a long time. If anything this video has me thinking about carrying in a way that is quick and easy to draw. As soon as masked dude with gun rolls in it’s time to get to work. The way I see it, the guy was back and forth throughout the store waving the gun around. Not hard to articulate a fear that he could turn around again at any time. Once the shooting starts, it’s kind of hard to ‘turn it off’ - you get that tunnel vision and next thing you know you’ve hit slide lock and don’t even remember shooting more than a couple times. It’s sad that our society would even consider messing with the livelihood of an innocent man over the manner in which he decided to kill a robber. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:05:51 AM EDT
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We live in such a strange world. Someone comes up with the idea that we need to only fire enough shots to “stop” the threat, which may be 1 round or 10, but after that we need to stop shooting? Once guns come out it needs to be a race to the finish on how fast you kill the badguy and make sure he is dead before he does the same to you. I have no issue with some one being hit with more rounds after they hit the ground. It should also be shown to the public so bad people learn real fast what their actions will lead to if they try to rob or hurt people. I don’t recall this being an issue in the old west. After blasting the hell out of someone we put their bullet riddled body on display in town. When did we become so soft? You meet violence with even more violence if you want to survive. Meanwhile Texas police want to “talk” to this guy? Yeah right, they want to arrest him immediately and charge him with murder. Put him into the wheels of “justice” and make him take a plea or go through so much money defending himself that he still loses even if he wins. Insane.
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:09:42 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn! All out of fucks. I wouldn’t ID him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Police say the shooter then took the stolen money from the suspect and gave it back to the customers. He and the other patrons then left, officials say. Damn! All out of fucks. I wouldn’t ID him. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:09:50 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah hopefully I never have to make decisions like that on the fly. Too easy to make one small mistake that wrecks your life. I’m not sure I even would have shot in that situation(like the guy did… waiting like that). Draw when you can discreetly do it and keep it ready and hidden, probably. But shooting someone that is walking away from behind.. ehh to much risk of going to prison for a long time. If anything this video has me thinking about carrying in a way that is quick and easy to draw. As soon as masked dude with gun rolls in it’s time to get to work. The draw part always makes me think of the member here “blitz” or something that got shot here in Missouri years ago and shared his story. Since I live like 20 minutes from Jefferson City Missouri I read his aar. It had great learning lessons. My draw is slow depending on what I am carrying. I would do ok maybe in a slow and sneaky draw maybe but I don’t know how I would do having to instantly react, draw, and shoot. The range is not the same as real life. I hope I could rise to the occasion. Rather not have to try though |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:10:13 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn! All out of fucks. I wouldn’t ID him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Police say the shooter then took the stolen money from the suspect and gave it back to the customers. He and the other patrons then left, officials say. Damn! All out of fucks. I wouldn’t ID him. Hmm, never seen him before in my life. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:11:40 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Police say the shooter then took the stolen money from the suspect and gave it back to the customers. He and the other patrons then left, officials say. Damn! All out of fucks. I wouldn’t ID him. If I were still in law enforcement and saw that video and then saw that truck at some point while on patrol I would keep on driving acting like ray charles. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:12:09 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If there an extended version that shows the whole enchilada? Most of the videos are from Channel 11 Houston and to avoid glamorizing gun violence, they stop at the point the Citizen pulls out his gun - they don't show the first shot, much less the last ones. Bigger_Hammer Full vid. Can't believe he anchored him at the end  https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1611808197316075521 |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:13:56 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If there an extended version that shows the whole enchilada? Most of the videos are from Channel 11 Houston and to avoid glamorizing gun violence, they stop at the point the Citizen pulls out his gun - they don't show the first shot, much less the last ones. Bigger_Hammer
Mucho Gracias  Bigger_Hammer
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:18:17 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryLove Los Tigres. And barrio taco spots. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:21:15 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Full vid. Can't believe he anchored him at the end https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1611808197316075521 The 4 after the robber went down could be the "I thought he was going to get back up & start shooting" That last shot would be the "shot" a liberal D.A. might argue would be difficult to justify". If I'm on the jury her gets No Billed, along with a free dinner & beer!  Bigger_Hammer
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:21:42 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Full vid. Can't believe he anchored him at the end https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1611808197316075521 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If there an extended version that shows the whole enchilada? Most of the videos are from Channel 11 Houston and to avoid glamorizing gun violence, they stop at the point the Citizen pulls out his gun - they don't show the first shot, much less the last ones. Bigger_Hammer Full vid. Can't believe he anchored him at the end https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1611808197316075521 The anchor shots are why he took off and why he MAY get fooked. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:24:31 AM EDT
[#32]
Damn I wanted it to be a clean shoot, and parts of it were. The first volley certainly was, second volley while advancing is troublesome, the final shot…shit… man I don’t want to be his defense attorney.
That being said… fuck the robber, and I don’t give a damn what happened to him. You start a deadly force event, you deserve whatever you get. I’m not convicting shooter if I’m on the jury… but I have a good idea why they want to talk to him and it’s to charge him. Dude needs to stay missing… |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:27:36 AM EDT
[#33]
Finishes his drink, throws it at dead guys corpse and leaves.
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:30:53 AM EDT
[#34]
It wasn't an 'anchor shot'. Enough time had passed from the shot before the pause, and the robber was dead before the last shot. Guilty of corpse mutilation.
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:31:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:33:11 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay I get the multiple shots to the back of a robber walking away. The video still shows the perp aiming his weapon at a patron near the exit door while the good guy is shooting. What about us open carry people? In the same situation, I draw when he comes in and the perp shoots me in the chest with an "airsoft pellet" that bounces into my coffee. Am I justified in doing the monzambique drill on him or should I just laugh and reholster? Non lethals?  You'll Shoot Your Eye Out |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:33:41 AM EDT
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Shooter might be a prohibited person. Maybe that's why he booked it.
In my judgment, if he was a prohibited person, he shouldn't be anymore.  Or, let's go one further... Maybe he recognized the robber as a rival gang member, and saw a chance for some run of the mill gang violence. Who knows. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:44:22 AM EDT
[#38]
Big fucking deal. The first four shots turned his life around and he was dead when he hit the floor.
The 'anchor' shots were just a waste of ammo. What are they going to charge him for, shooting a dead guy? |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 2:48:09 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The 4 after the robber went down could be the "I thought he was going to get back up & start shooting" That last shot would be the "shot" a liberal D.A. might argue would be difficult to justify". If I'm on the jury her gets No Billed, along with a free dinner & beer! Bigger_Hammer A liberal da will get a grand jury indictment easy. The da will use every bit of his actions in the video such as when he realizes the gun is fake and throws it and says let’s get out of here. Then he takes a drink and dumps it on dead bad guy. Shots in the back. Anchor shot. Lack of remorse for his shots. And so on. I am ok with all of it but we have too many people, especially ones that play god with peoples lives, that have no stomach for violence, even if it is used in self defense. Hope this guy stays hidden |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 3:37:28 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I see it, the guy was back and forth throughout the store waving the gun around. Not hard to articulate a fear that he could turn around again at any time. Once the shooting starts, it’s kind of hard to ‘turn it off’ - you get that tunnel vision and next thing you know you’ve hit slide lock and don’t even remember shooting more than a couple times. It’s sad that our society would even consider messing with the livelihood of an innocent man over the manner in which he decided to kill a robber. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah hopefully I never have to make decisions like that on the fly. Too easy to make one small mistake that wrecks your life. I’m not sure I even would have shot in that situation(like the guy did… waiting like that). Draw when you can discreetly do it and keep it ready and hidden, probably. But shooting someone that is walking away from behind.. ehh to much risk of going to prison for a long time. If anything this video has me thinking about carrying in a way that is quick and easy to draw. As soon as masked dude with gun rolls in it’s time to get to work. The way I see it, the guy was back and forth throughout the store waving the gun around. Not hard to articulate a fear that he could turn around again at any time. Once the shooting starts, it’s kind of hard to ‘turn it off’ - you get that tunnel vision and next thing you know you’ve hit slide lock and don’t even remember shooting more than a couple times. It’s sad that our society would even consider messing with the livelihood of an innocent man over the manner in which he decided to kill a robber. I agree. I'm reasonably certain that I would not have taken that anchor shot, but I'm certainly not going to condemn him for it under the circumstances either. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 3:37:38 AM EDT
[#41]
Good job dispatching the robber.
It does look like a professional thug collided with an amateur thug though. That's how I'd place my bets. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 4:10:20 AM EDT
[#42]
Shot the spirit right out of his ass.
Not guilty. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 4:11:21 AM EDT
[#43]
Video with the money shot:
Those anchor shots might be a problem. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 4:14:33 AM EDT
[#44]
Legally the last few shots may be hard to defend. However, the robber did not respect anyone's life, I have a hard time finding respect for his.
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Posted: 1/8/2023 4:17:26 AM EDT
[#45]
I still don’t care. I’d buy the shooter some tacos.
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Posted: 1/8/2023 4:21:21 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People need to learn the difference between a descriptive statement, and a prescriptive one. I doubt very seriously JW wants this guy to go to prison -and I don't either- but it's absolutely true the last shot at least is going to require some pretty solid articulation that isn't quite as obvious as the opening volley. I hope the guy gets off, and in Texas he very well might. But there's absolutely places in this country where that last shot would get you jammed up when the previous ones would have been deemed justified, and it's foolish to pretend otherwise. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You are not one of us. You are not from this state. You don't live in Houston. You are not going to be on a jury of the hero's piers. Why do you keep arguing in favor of the dead felon? You made your point several pages back. We read it. We don't agree with your feelings. Texans have a low tolerance for bullshit. Hence our very loose deadly force laws here. Homie had no business invading that taqueria and he knew it and he paid the price. It's as simple as that. When a Texas judge writes a warrant it always includes the phrase "Against the peace and dignity of the state of Texas." Meaning the people of Texas. Invading a taqueria and waving a gun around and threatening peaceful people with death or bodily harm certainly comes under the meaning of that phrase. This is our business. It is none of your business. Maybe he doesn't want people to get a false impression of their potential legal liability in Texas based on a willfully false reading of the law? I think the robber got what he deserved too, but you don't want to send people out there wrongly informed. I hope the guy gets off, and in Texas he very well might. But there's absolutely places in this country where that last shot would get you jammed up when the previous ones would have been deemed justified, and it's foolish to pretend otherwise. Yup. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 5:38:36 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The anchor shots are why he took off and why he MAY get fooked. |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 5:59:01 AM EDT
[#48]
Assuming the 9th shit gets him jacked up and the autopsy says more than one sound was fatal, what is the offense of shot #9? Is it assault? Is it abuse of a corpse?
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Posted: 1/8/2023 6:15:17 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Assuming the 9th shit gets him jacked up and the autopsy says more than one sound was fatal, what is the offense of shot #9? Is it assault? Is it abuse of a corpse? |
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Posted: 1/8/2023 6:19:01 AM EDT
[#50]
You can’t charge him if you can’t find him.
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