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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:02:16 PM EST
[#1]
A new low!
It's not a part for anything. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:02:35 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You must not have been living in the same US I have for the past few years. In all seriousness, when you pay the government for a SOT license, you don't get to manufacture and sell items called "auto key cards", with video instructions on how to convert the item you just sold into an illegal NFA item. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I didn't realize you lose your first amendment rights when you become an FFL/SOT. You must not have been living in the same US I have for the past few years. In all seriousness, when you pay the government for a SOT license, you don't get to manufacture and sell items called "auto key cards", with video instructions on how to convert the item you just sold into an illegal NFA item. For what it's worth, he didn't manufacture them. Someone else did who he partnered with. I can make videos on how to commit all kinds of crimes, doesn't make ME a criminal. For example, if I do a video on how to pick locks, and I sell a lockpicking kit, the feds can't charge me with burglary. I didn't commit a crime, even if I gave very clear instructions and even supplied the tools to do so. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:02:36 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF is out of control The entire government is out of control. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:03:09 PM EST
[#4]
I don't even know how lightning links work.
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:03:33 PM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:05:15 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF is out for blood. They are over reaching specifically to get a reaction, the politicians and media will latch on and use it to push more laws. Yup....first DM, then rare breed and now this? Lol. They may just get what they're pushing for |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:05:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are arguing that the card itself, a drawing, IS the machine gun. Even without cutting it out. oh yeah, lol, looks like you might be right. Yeah, that's a whole load, a swimming pool full of bullshit. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:05:52 PM EST
[#8]
Eff the Ass To Face brigade
With a glass covered cactus Right in the penis hole On fire Eff em hard and often 
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:06:33 PM EST
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Got them for structuring transactions by repeatedly withdrawing $ 9000 6 times within two weeks. Why are people still stupid enough to do that.
Personally I'd be afraid to make a legitimate transaction just under 10k, I'd probably purposely try to make it over 10 just to get reported. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:06:37 PM EST
[#10]
Thought Crime
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:06:49 PM EST
[#11]
Quick hide all your wire hangers….
 I hope these guys end up owning the AFT. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:08:40 PM EST
[#12]
Based on the atf logic the seller of the car used by the parade terrorist is guilty of conspiracy.
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:08:42 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryThe ATF is out of control. Quote HistoryThe ATF is out of control. The alphabet agencies are out of control. The WH is out of control. The Dems are out of control. The Left is out of control.   |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:09:29 PM EST
[#14]
Can I get one with "ATF Agents Suck Cock" laser ingraved?
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:10:38 PM EST
[#15]
I feel so much safer already.
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:12:21 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For what it's worth, he didn't manufacture them. Someone else did who he partnered with. I can make videos on how to commit all kinds of crimes, doesn't make ME a criminal. For example, if I do a video on how to pick locks, and I sell a lockpicking kit, the feds can't charge me with burglary. I didn't commit a crime, even if I gave very clear instructions and even supplied the tools to do so. Again, its the fact he owns a company that has an FFL+SOT that is an issue. The fact he didn't manufacture them is worse and proves further his conspiracy charge. He is an SOT holder that knows what a lighting link is, see youtube video evidence. He paid someone else to make the item because he knows as an FFL+SOT holder he legally can't manufacture them without proper documentation. He then sells the items and provides instructions on how to convert the item into an illegal NFA item. Furthermore, picking locks is not regulated by the National Firearms act. If you manufactured explosives c4 for instance, and sold each part needed to manufacture an C4 on a website. Then made a videos for youtube on how to mix the parts to create a regulated explosive, you too would be charged. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:12:33 PM EST
[#17]
Do those even work without a relatively obscure BCG?
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:12:34 PM EST
[#18]
The ATF is full of shit but, if you make videos titled “is this an ATF trap” and “this makes an illegal machine gun” and post them all over the internet, all the while selling and advertising your key card, you are in fact a dumbass. A constitutionally protected dumbass, but a dumbass none the less.
Dude made all of that money and couldn’t finish that shitty tattoo. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:14:04 PM EST
[#19]
We are starting to walk into some deep shit with our government.
The Rare Breed Triggers and Wide Open Triggers Now the full auto key card |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:14:20 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, its the fact he owns a company that has an FFL+SOT that is an issue. The fact he didn't manufacture them is worse and proves further his conspiracy charge. He is an SOT holder that knows what a lighting link is, see youtube video evidence. He paid someone else to make the item because he knows as an FFL+SOT holder he legally can't manufacture them without proper documentation. He then sells the items and provides instructions on how to convert the item into an illegal NFA item. Furthermore, picking locks is not regulated by the National Firearms act. If you manufactured explosives c4 for instance, and sold each part needed to manufacture an C4 on a website. Then made a videos for youtube on how to mix the parts to create a regulated explosive, you too would be charged. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For what it's worth, he didn't manufacture them. Someone else did who he partnered with. I can make videos on how to commit all kinds of crimes, doesn't make ME a criminal. For example, if I do a video on how to pick locks, and I sell a lockpicking kit, the feds can't charge me with burglary. I didn't commit a crime, even if I gave very clear instructions and even supplied the tools to do so. Again, its the fact he owns a company that has an FFL+SOT that is an issue. The fact he didn't manufacture them is worse and proves further his conspiracy charge. He is an SOT holder that knows what a lighting link is, see youtube video evidence. He paid someone else to make the item because he knows as an FFL+SOT holder he legally can't manufacture them without proper documentation. He then sells the items and provides instructions on how to convert the item into an illegal NFA item. Furthermore, picking locks is not regulated by the National Firearms act. If you manufactured explosives c4 for instance, and sold each part needed to manufacture an C4 on a website. Then made a videos for youtube on how to mix the parts to create a regulated explosive, you too would be charged. Perhaps you are misunderstanding. Nobody sold anyone else a completed lightning link, or even a partially completed one. What was being sold was the outline of a lightning link on a piece of metal. A schematic of a "mAcHiNe gUn" doesn't magically become a machine gun because it's printed on metal. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:15:07 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF is full of shit but, if you make videos titled “is this an ATF trap” and “this makes an illegal machine gun” and post them all over the internet, all the while selling and advertising your key card, you are in fact a dumbass. A constitutionally protected dumbass, but a dumbass none the less. Dude made all of that money and couldn’t finish that shitty tattoo. I don't think he was a dumbass at all (for making those videos), in fact I think what he was doing was ballsier than most people on this website. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:18:51 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF is full of shit but, if you make videos titled “is this an ATF trap” and “this makes an illegal machine gun” and post them all over the internet, all the while selling and advertising your key card, you are in fact a dumbass. A constitutionally protected dumbass, but a dumbass none the less. Dude made all of that money and couldn’t finish that shitty tattoo. Such a dumbass he made withdraws at 9k on December 29, 30, 31, January 2, 5, and 6th, all so he can avoid the bank flag of 10k... This guy is grade A level of dumbass. December 28th $9k at community first bank (orange park) then 5k at Community first bank (fleming Island)... WTF man this bank will see this shit and report it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:19:02 PM EST
[#23]
Shoestrings and coat hangers are next. Again.
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:19:50 PM EST
[#24]
Those are just standard door unlocking devises. Designed for heavy usage for people who don’t like to wear out the edges of a credit card.
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:20:14 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, its the fact he owns a company that has an FFL+SOT that is an issue. The fact he didn't manufacture them is worse and proves further his conspiracy charge. He is an SOT holder that knows what a lighting link is, see youtube video evidence. He paid someone else to make the item because he knows as an FFL+SOT holder he legally can't manufacture them without proper documentation. He then sells the items and provides instructions on how to convert the item into an illegal NFA item. Furthermore, picking locks is not regulated by the National Firearms act. If you manufactured explosives c4 for instance, and sold each part needed to manufacture an C4 on a website. Then made a videos for youtube on how to mix the parts to create a regulated explosive, you too would be charged. How long have you been with the agency? It is a drawing on a piece of metal. It isn't a manufactured anything. Does he include instructions? |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:22:41 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps you are misunderstanding. Nobody sold anyone else a completed lightning link, or even a partially completed one. What was being sold was the outline of a lightning link on a piece of metal. A schematic of a "mAcHiNe gUn" doesn't magically become a machine gun because it's printed on metal. I don't think you understand the term conspiracy, nor have you read the charging documents. They list them as "Machine gun conversion devices constituting machine guns" and while left in the blank card form no, they are not conversion devices. But when you tell someone and show someone exactly how to make that item you just sold into a lighting link, that act is conspiracy. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:22:55 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't even know how lightning links work. @Keib Lightning Link Check out the link and enjoy being a felon for committing a full auto thought crime 
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:23:58 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF is out of control. Agreed. Also, those tats on layaway? |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:24:01 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been with the agency? It is a drawing on a piece of metal. It isn't a manufactured anything. Does he include instructions? Well yes, he did make a video with instructions on how to convert the card into a lighting link, and also pimped his card out on the same video. Not a fed, but I do have some common sense. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:24:13 PM EST
[#30]
Defund the ATF.
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:24:13 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, its the fact he owns a company that has an FFL+SOT that is an issue. The fact he didn't manufacture them is worse and proves further his conspiracy charge. He is an SOT holder that knows what a lighting link is, see youtube video evidence. He paid someone else to make the item because he knows as an FFL+SOT holder he legally can't manufacture them without proper documentation. He then sells the items and provides instructions on how to convert the item into an illegal NFA item. Furthermore, picking locks is not regulated by the National Firearms act. If you manufactured explosives c4 for instance, and sold each part needed to manufacture an C4 on a website. Then made a videos for youtube on how to mix the parts to create a regulated explosive, you too would be charged. By participating in this thread, which includes a photo of said key card, you are now part of the conspiracy. You should probably go turn yourself in immediately. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:25:49 PM EST
[#32]
 CRS EMERGENCY LIVESTREAM - CRS ARRESTED BY US MARSHALLS Livestream going for him FATF |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:27:09 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think you understand the term conspiracy, nor have you read the charging documents. They list them as "Machine gun conversion devices constituting machine guns" and while left in the blank card form no, they are not conversion devices. But when you tell someone and show someone exactly how to make that item you just sold into a lighting link, that act is conspiracy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Perhaps you are misunderstanding. Nobody sold anyone else a completed lightning link, or even a partially completed one. What was being sold was the outline of a lightning link on a piece of metal. A schematic of a "mAcHiNe gUn" doesn't magically become a machine gun because it's printed on metal. I don't think you understand the term conspiracy, nor have you read the charging documents. They list them as "Machine gun conversion devices constituting machine guns" and while left in the blank card form no, they are not conversion devices. But when you tell someone and show someone exactly how to make that item you just sold into a lighting link, that act is conspiracy. I read each and every charge before posting here, just in case there was something in there that was truly stupid, like milling one of these out and selling it as a complete device. Is MrGunsAndGear guilty of conspiracy because he posted a video on how to mill out a lower receiver to M16 spec, and has also recommended which lower to buy?  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:28:39 PM EST
[#34]
F those total scums
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:30:06 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would it be illegal if the drawing was on a sheet of paper? Sounds like it They're gonna lose this in court, and that's why. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:32:38 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I read each and every charge before posting here, just in case there was something in there that was truly stupid, like milling one of these out and selling it as a complete device. Is MrGunsAndGear guilty of conspiracy because he posted a video on how to mill out a lower receiver to M16 spec, and has also recommended which lower to buy?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNwv4xOLgcDoes Mr.GunsandGear manufacture or pay someone else to manufacture, then sell and pimp his own product, on his youtube channel, while explaining how to make the M16 lower a functional NFA item all while owning a business that has an FFL+SOT to his name? |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:33:33 PM EST
[#37]
The autokeycard guy must have sold a shitload of these things if he had to have so many made and had so much cash coming in to keep paying the other guy to advertise it in videos.
I figured nobody bought stuff like that and just assumed it was ATF baiting people into a felony lol |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:34:07 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF is full of shit but, if you make videos titled “is this an ATF trap” and “this makes an illegal machine gun” and post them all over the internet, all the while selling and advertising your key card, you are in fact a dumbass. A constitutionally protected dumbass, but a dumbass none the less. Dude made all of that money and couldn’t finish that shitty tattoo. You’re such an outstanding Patriot. Vaya con dios. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:34:33 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, since the card has two drawings, wouldn't that be two machine guns? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They are arguing that the card itself, a drawing, IS the machine gun. Even without cutting it out. What I just draw an M16? Is that now illegal too? |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:35:24 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Mr.GunsandGear manufacture or pay someone else to manufacture, then sell and pimp his own product, on his youtube channel, while explaining how to make the M16 lower a functional NFA item all while owning a business that has an FFL+SOT to his name? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I read each and every charge before posting here, just in case there was something in there that was truly stupid, like milling one of these out and selling it as a complete device. Is MrGunsAndGear guilty of conspiracy because he posted a video on how to mill out a lower receiver to M16 spec, and has also recommended which lower to buy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNwv4xOLgcDoes Mr.GunsandGear manufacture or pay someone else to manufacture, then sell and pimp his own product, on his youtube channel, while explaining how to make the M16 lower a functional NFA item all while owning a business that has an FFL+SOT to his name? Please show me anywhere in the FFL/SOT documentation process where you give up your 1A rights to acquire those licenses/statuses. You don't. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:35:48 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Mr.GunsandGear manufacture or pay someone else to manufacture, then sell and pimp his own product, on his youtube channel, while explaining how to make the M16 lower a functional NFA item all while owning a business that has an FFL+SOT to his name? So if he sold milling machines and posted a video of how he legally milled out his lower that makes him a felon in your world? Seems like the people that bought the milling machine, then illegally converted a lower would be the felons. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:36:23 PM EST
[#42]
This is my Glock 18
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:40:31 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well yes, he did make a video with instructions on how to convert the card into a lighting link, and also pimped his card out on the same video. Not a fed, but I do have some common sense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How long have you been with the agency? It is a drawing on a piece of metal. It isn't a manufactured anything. Does he include instructions? Well yes, he did make a video with instructions on how to convert the card into a lighting link, and also pimped his card out on the same video. Not a fed, but I do have some common sense. "Shall not be infringed" has moved to "Shall not even talk about how to make something that if you then put it in a gun is now prohibited." Al Qaeda hates us for our freedom. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:41:11 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please show me anywhere in the FFL/SOT documentation process where you give up your 1A rights to acquire those licenses/statuses. You don't. It ceased to be just 1A right after he started manufacturing, selling and pimping out his auto cards. Had he just made the video of how to make a lighting link, or clothes hanger, or whatever item its not an issue, and there are plenty of those out there. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:41:45 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if he sold milling machines and posted a video of how he legally milled out his lower that makes him a felon in your world? Seems like the people that bought the milling machine, then illegally converted a lower would be the felons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does Mr.GunsandGear manufacture or pay someone else to manufacture, then sell and pimp his own product, on his youtube channel, while explaining how to make the M16 lower a functional NFA item all while owning a business that has an FFL+SOT to his name? So if he sold milling machines and posted a video of how he legally milled out his lower that makes him a felon in your world? Seems like the people that bought the milling machine, then illegally converted a lower would be the felons. If he sold shoe strings and gave a link to an explanation of how to make it fire an M-1 then it's a conspiracy. 
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:42:43 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It ceased to be just 1A right after he started manufacturing, selling and pimping out his auto cards. Had he just made the video of how to make a lighting link, or clothes hanger, or whatever item its not an issue, and there are plenty of those out there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Please show me anywhere in the FFL/SOT documentation process where you give up your 1A rights to acquire those licenses/statuses. You don't. It ceased to be just 1A right after he started manufacturing, selling and pimping out his auto cards. Had he just made the video of how to make a lighting link, or clothes hanger, or whatever item its not an issue, and there are plenty of those out there. Wait, so if he made a video on clothes hangar auto sears, and also sold clothes hangers, in your mind that's a crime? |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:42:50 PM EST
[#47]
thoughtcrime and precrime are real, yo.
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:43:17 PM EST
[#48]
There is a live feed from his channel with DLD and Crump talking about his arrest.
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:43:39 PM EST
[#49]
They will not stop until they are stopped.
The government will continue to assume powers we never granted to it, and will ignore the Constitutional limits and restraints on its power, so long as we the People allow it. We will get the abuse we allow. So stop conceding... seize your rights, exercise them, and make the government stay in its lane. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 4:43:56 PM EST
[#50]
The government likes to make an example of people it sees as arrogantly challenging its perceived power and authority I've noticed.
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