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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 10:49:18 AM EST
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Yes and those in this thread longing for Putin's cock are proof of how effective the Russian disinformation campaign is.  Hell GD would stand in line to suck Putin's dick.
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Putin is just a mobster and Russia doesn’t export ideology anymore, even Steinhab knows this. The future of warfare is the same as the past, control of natural resources many of which are getting harder to source. The Euros have already lost to Putin as Russia sells them the bulk of their oil and natural gas, the boogyman rhetoric is now just a tool of European Marxists to bend outliers to the will of their “trade organization” defacto government in Brussels. Is Russia still our enemy in the battle for resource control? Of course, but our biggest battle is an internal battle over ideology that the Russians abandoned while our policy makers were embracing it because the Russians just “didn’t do it right” and as a result we are becoming the same top level criminal enterprise that the USSR was at its peak. Black marketeering shitlords that use their intelligence organizations to target and destroy their internal competitors.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 10:50:07 AM EST
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I have no doubt that the USSR sowed the seeds that led to a lot of our current insanity.

I'm not so sure Russia is still involved in that now. That would be some giant 5d chess to be behind the liberals and media institutions who nearly got a woman elected that was hell-bent on getting us involved in a direct confrontation with them.
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For me the best comparison are two hyenas.   One is already inside the fence attacking the chicken coop whereas the other is outside trying to get in.

The liberals (that includes obummer, hillary and all the scum being widely exposed are the hyena inside and Putin the one outside.

And, sincerely, I do not put past for a second that both hyenas are working together.


We need to clean the house first and are already way late in doing so.
I have no doubt that the USSR sowed the seeds that led to a lot of our current insanity.

I'm not so sure Russia is still involved in that now. That would be some giant 5d chess to be behind the liberals and media institutions who nearly got a woman elected that was hell-bent on getting us involved in a direct confrontation with them.
Hillary was not going to start a war with Russia. That concept is severely stupid.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 10:53:23 AM EST
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LOL at this thread...

I'm not chock full of hate for Russians like some of you guys. Personally, IDGAF about them as they are no real threat to us. We have other threats that are much more serious and menacing than the damn Russians.... let me name a few for you...

China
Islamists
Home grown Socialists/Antifa
Liberal leftists promoting "Social equality" through systemic racism

As for Putin, I'm fairly certain everything he does is in the best interest for Russia and Putin. I'm also fairly certain his people appreciate it every time he steps on our toes or pokes us in the eye. Big deal. Trying to make Russia out to be the big "boogeyman" these days is a joke. Hell, from their perspective, they should see us (USA) as the boogeyman..... that's exactly what we are. The CIA and our operatives are all over the world and have been the last 50 years influencing, coercing, intimidating and subverting others. 'Murica baby!!! LOL

ZA
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 10:55:07 AM EST
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No shit,Dick Tracy
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 10:57:52 AM EST
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I agree OP

but Russia isnt our biggest problem. We got a 5th column up in this mofof and I hope it can get fixed without blood
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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:02:10 AM EST
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This is such horse shit. Russians don't hate America/Americans. Maybe their government does.
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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:04:05 AM EST
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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:04:34 AM EST
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And you have yet to answer if you believe that Russia is a greater threat to us than our own socialists.
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The core of the success of this theme is the idea that concern is a zero sum game, that Russia is a "distraction" from being able to also be concerned about such idiots.

That logic is laughable, as are those who perpetuate it.
And you have yet to answer if you believe that Russia is a greater threat to us than our own socialists.
So we can only deal with one enemy?

I agree that ignoring the leftists is a huge problem. Thankfully Trump is doing something about that in a way that weak Republicans never have.

That is not what this thread is about. This thread is about Russia, and how they are our enemy. Not only is the above a piss pour excuse to ignore the Russian problem, a lot of morons on this website support the Russians and spread their propaganda.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:12:28 AM EST
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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:12:40 AM EST
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What if we needed to fight them both at the same time, and could.

Not only can we, but they work in tandem, so it is better if we do.
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I agree OP

but Russia isnt our biggest problem. We got a 5th column up in this mofof and I hope it can get fixed without blood
This, focus needs to be on the enemy within our gates.
What if we needed to fight them both at the same time, and could.

Not only can we, but they work in tandem, so it is better if we do.
I'm in as long as long as any plan includes gutting the evil that's taken hold here, it's harder to take watch when your worried about getting stabbed in the back.
Waiting on the purge!
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:30:35 AM EST
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Everything Putin does is for show so he can look good, stay in power, and continue robbing the Russian people blind.  
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In other words, he's like the vast majority of politicians around the globe.
Some hide it better than he, but only because they find that doing so makes the task easier.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:43:37 AM EST
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LOL at this thread...

I'm not chock full of hate for Russians like some of you guys. Personally, IDGAF about them as they are no real threat to us. We have other threats that are much more serious and menacing than the damn Russians.... let me name a few for you...

China
Islamists
Home grown Socialists/Antifa
Liberal leftists promoting "Social equality" through systemic racism

As for Putin, I'm fairly certain everything he does is in the best interest for Russia and Putin. I'm also fairly certain his people appreciate it every time he steps on our toes or pokes us in the eye. Big deal. Trying to make Russia out to be the big "boogeyman" these days is a joke. Hell, from their perspective, they should see us (USA) as the boogeyman..... that's exactly what we are. The CIA and our operatives are all over the world and have been the last 50 years influencing, coercing, intimidating and subverting others. 'Murica baby!!! LOL

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This is a valid opinion, but ITT you're going to get called a Russian shill if you don't hate Russia with every bone in your body.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:47:06 AM EST
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Many people seem to be capable of only concentrating on ONE threat. Anything else that isn't that particular threat, then it is our friend.
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There's plenty of reasons to fear the American Left.

There's no excuse for parroting lies about Russia and its agenda.

The current popular talking point that would have any criticism of Russia means you must support the Democrats is just beyond derptastic to the realm of derpalicious. The Democrats only just started seeing the threat from Russia last year, and cling to the "Russian collusion" hypothesis like they cling to the "white supremacists behind every blade of grass" hypothesis to explain what their girl lost. Anything but admitting that transgender advocacy, to include taxpayer funded sex changes for Bradlea Manning alienated way too many voters.
Many people seem to be capable of only concentrating on ONE threat. Anything else that isn't that particular threat, then it is our friend.
That's not what I'm reading in many of the comments, including mine.  It's not a matter of friend vs. foe.  There's no denial that Russia would like to be the world's top dog.   It's about priorities.

When a patient arrives in an ER the doctor's first reaction is to keep him alive, then he fixes him.

With all the scandals, corruption and bs floating around we definitely are in an ER situation right now.  The liberal left, whether they are still tied to Russia (or someone else) or not are our enemy within and very dangerous.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:56:38 AM EST
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With all the scandals, corruption and bs floating around we definitely are in an ER situation right now.  The liberal left, whether they are still tied to Russia (or someone else) or not are our enemy within and very dangerous.
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If the Pussyhat crowd gets enough votes they will elect commie politicians that pass shitty gun laws, raise our taxes, cut the military budget and open our borders so that every third worlder can come here and live on our dime. So not only will we be disarmed, up to our armpits in illegal aliens and impoverished but we'll have a smaller military thereby making Russia a larger proportional threat.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:05:20 PM EST
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Here is a Canadian view, what has Russia done to the US, that US hasn't done to Russia?  People need to calm down lol
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Go pay off some war criminals.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:16:44 PM EST
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Well, fortunately Russia elected a US President who will build us a wall and put a stop to this. Thanks Russia.
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The "minorities" in many places have been successfully using their (Russians) playbook to screw-up several countries.
Well, fortunately Russia elected a US President who will build us a wall and put a stop to this. Thanks Russia.
That is too good.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:18:57 PM EST
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Here is a Canadian view, what has Russia done to the US, that US hasn't done to Russia?  People need to calm down lol
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Or that the left wing is trying to do from within. The bullshit Russian collusion rant- Foreigners trying to influence our elections! How is allowing and encouraging illegal immigrant foreigners to illegally vote any different?  
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:20:29 PM EST
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Russia doesn’t export ideology anymore
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Yes and those in this thread longing for Putin's cock are proof of how effective the Russian disinformation campaign is.  Hell GD would stand in line to suck Putin's dick.
Russia doesn’t export ideology anymore
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:21:29 PM EST
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The premise of this thread is brain dead.

Russia plays 100% of the time for Putin, and 87% in the interest of the Russian people.

The American government is split between the interests of the American People and deep pockets of global financiers like Soros,  the Saudi's and others.  We had 8 years of Obama, and our Government was far more interested in the protection of global interests than our own people.

The conflicts of interest we have had with the Russians in the Ukraine and now in Syria have been over the interests of the globalists, not the American people.
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Like I said. Get rid of Putin.

He is the reason and the driving force behind russian imperialism and expansion. One fucking guy. There will be a power grab and vaccum without him, the rest of the old commies will kill one another to capture the throne and will set back russian expanisonism. Get rid of that little guy.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:22:16 PM EST
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Couldn't agree more OP. As I've said in other threads before.. well see how ARFs tune in GD changes when Putin uses his propaganda resources to support the Democrat candidate in 2020.
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Couldn't agree more OP. As I've said in other threads before.. well see how ARFs tune in GD changes when Putin uses his propaganda resources to support the Democrat candidate in 2020.
So, when they do what they did in 2008, 2012, and 2016? The media says without evidence Trump colluded with Russia. Freely available documentation shows Russia colluded with the Clintons.

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Russia benefits from chaos in American politics.
Bullshit. Russia is scared of chaos in American politics. Declassified documents show they about shat themselves when Kennedy got shot, and Reagan too.

Russia benefits from American politics being controlled by weak, incompetent, easily manipulated pussies.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:24:05 PM EST
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Everything I need to know about Russia came from double-time cadences.
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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:31:43 PM EST
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After the Soviet Union broke up and went into little bity separate countries, the US should have stayed on top of things {if we would have had the right presidents} and kept it that way.
Now we got to do it all over again, cold war possibly turning hot. And yes they suck shit! Fuck em.
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Have a look at a modern NATO map, and compare it to the old USSR map, then re-assess your statement.

We overwhelmingly won the peace. The big exception is the Ukraine, which happened on Obama's watch.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:50:17 PM EST
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Have a look at a modern NATO map, and compare it to the old USSR map, then re-assess your statement.

We overwhelmingly won the peace. The big exception is the Ukraine, which happened on Obama's watch.
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The push to get former buffer states into NATO or the EU was to purposefully provoke Russia and the idea to make places like the Ukraine and Georgia geopolitical “pivots” was likewise purposeful. The tone for continuing conflict with Russia was set almost the second the USSR collapsed by men who said we should be “unapologetic” for exploiting those countries for our aspirations of imperial hegemony, even to the ends of immersing them into a state of constant warfare. This will come back to haunt us, just as “stirring up a bunch of Moslems” back in the late 70’s and early 80’s did. We seem to enjoy enabling future enemies for the sake of having temporary friends.
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Like I said. Get rid of Putin.

He is the reason and the driving force behind russian imperialism and expansion. One fucking guy. There will be a power grab and vaccum without him, the rest of the old commies will kill one another to capture the throne and will set back russian expanisonism. Get rid of that little guy.
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"An eye for an eye."

If we start killing other people's leaders, what can we say when they kill ours.   Putin is no different than the long line of Russian leaders before him, other than maybe Gorbachev.   Taking out Putin, if it was that easy, would not likely result in a friendly pro-US leader replacing him.  Same as if he took out Trump.

Oh, and Russia is nuclear power, so it's not like pushing over the leader of Haiti.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 1:09:39 PM EST
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Many modern Russians fully embrace capitalism.

They are obviously a rival, but I think they are more interested in getting rich than hating America.

I think that folks like Soros, Merkel and Obama are more zealously determined to undermine our country.

Most Russians just aspire to owning a Mercedes G-Wagon, Hermès luggage, possibly a mega yacht.
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The push to get former buffer states into NATO or the EU was to purposefully provoke Russia and the idea to make places like the Ukraine and Georgia geopolitical “pivots” was likewise purposeful. The tone for continuing conflict with Russia was set almost the second the USSR collapsed by men who said we should be “unapologetic” for exploiting those countries for our aspirations of imperial hegemony, even to the ends of immersing them into a state of constant warfare. This will come back to haunt us, just as “stirring up a bunch of Moslems” back in the late 70’s and early 80’s did. We seem to enjoy enabling future enemies for the sake of having temporary friends.
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somehow you seem to have missed the trivial point that all of these former countries were occupied by Russian troops and "businessmen".  most of these countries still have a considerable percentage of Russian nationals within their borders, which is probably just as appealing to them as a Muslim invasion.  neither one is welcome, one for the brutality and economic stagnation, and the other for brutality and imposed religious social code.  both are a major destructive force to the advancement of human endeavor and discovery.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 1:22:55 PM EST
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The push to get former buffer states into NATO or the EU was to purposefully provoke Russia and the idea to make places like the Ukraine and Georgia geopolitical “pivots” was likewise purposeful. The tone for continuing conflict with Russia was set almost the second the USSR collapsed by men who said we should be “unapologetic” for exploiting those countries for our aspirations of imperial hegemony, even to the ends of immersing them into a state of constant warfare. This will come back to haunt us, just as “stirring up a bunch of Moslems” back in the late 70’s and early 80’s did. We seem to enjoy enabling future enemies for the sake of having temporary friends.
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"Former buffer states"? You mean nations occupied by the Soviets?

Your " aspirations of imperial hegemony, even to the ends of immersing them into a state of constant warfare" line is perfect Cold War Soviet rubbish.
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"Former buffer states"? You mean nations occupied by the Soviets?

Your " aspirations of imperial hegemony, even to the ends of immersing them into a state of constant warfare" line sounds like perfect Cold War Soviet rubbish. What a fucking moron
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They gloss over the "minor detail" of enslaving border countries and making them "buffer states".
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 1:34:19 PM EST
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"An eye for an eye."

If we start killing other people's leaders, what can we say when they kill ours.   Putin is no different than the long line of Russian leaders before him, other than maybe Gorbachev.   Taking out Putin, if it was that easy, would not likely result in a friendly pro-US leader replacing him.  Same as if he took out Trump.

Oh, and Russia is nuclear power, so it's not like pushing over the leader of Haiti.
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Like I said. Get rid of Putin.

He is the reason and the driving force behind russian imperialism and expansion. One fucking guy. There will be a power grab and vaccum without him, the rest of the old commies will kill one another to capture the throne and will set back russian expanisonism. Get rid of that little guy.
"An eye for an eye."

If we start killing other people's leaders, what can we say when they kill ours.   Putin is no different than the long line of Russian leaders before him, other than maybe Gorbachev.   Taking out Putin, if it was that easy, would not likely result in a friendly pro-US leader replacing him.  Same as if he took out Trump.

Oh, and Russia is nuclear power, so it's not like pushing over the leader of Haiti.
Putin will never relinguish power of russia, he is in fact trying to gain more land and power.  The putin situation is not like the circumstances we have here. Trump is not Putin.

Western intel angencies should be doing everything they can to disrupt putins inner circle, if not putin himself, disrupt his top capitans and plant the seed of distrust amoungst them.

Although it would be better just to off him, there is economic sabotage and other ways to cause him problems
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Pravda 1980, is that you?
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 2:01:36 PM EST
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This thread is full of houynya... the people are nice and don’t hate Americans... it’s purley politics...
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So we can only deal with one enemy?

I agree that ignoring the leftists is a huge problem. Thankfully Trump is doing something about that in a way that weak Republicans never have.

That is not what this thread is about. This thread is about Russia, and how they are our enemy. Not only is the above a piss pour excuse to ignore the Russian problem, a lot of morons on this website support the Russians and spread their propaganda.
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Just can't say it can you.

The morons being churned out in massive quantities by our liberal universities, the millions of leftist hispanics flooding across our border and the media outlets that are incessantly doing everything they can to undermine this country are each FAR greater threats than Russia is. Just fucking say it.

And while we're sending hundreds of billions of dollars to the right defense companies who sucked off all the right congressmen, we're doing jack fucking shit to confront our main threats like socialist public universities, our massive national debt and defending our own fucking border.

Good news for the Russians is if they really want to be a dominant player, invade the US, undermine our strategic interests in money-pit sandboxes or whatever the fuck it is that they're trying to do, they'll have a much easier time doing it after our own homegrown leftists turn this country into a Venezuelan-tier shithole.

So you can clamor on about how we need to best address this hyuuuge Russian threat, but none of that is going to matter when interest rates rise and the gears of this country come to a grinding halt as the economy and federal budget are simultaneously obliterated by a lack of cheap credit and higher interest payments. Soldiers will get furloughed and F-15's will be rusting on the tarmac because the govt doesn't have enough funds to maintain them and what little money they do have left is being used to appease the barbarous hungry mobs rioting and burning shit down for their EBT and the AARP hordes who won't accept any reduction in their social security or medicare payments because that would result in them not being able to make the payments on their RX350's. All the while, some douchebag like Bernie will be riling up the dipshits and will further plunge us into an authoritarian socialist state after getting elected.

But Russia was such a big threat compared to all of that petty shit...
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 2:47:03 PM EST
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I don't know if anyone wants to hear form someone who actually knows many Russians, has been to Russia, has hosted Russian students, and speaks Russian but the average Russian is either neutral or positive to the United States.  The middle and upper class (yes, Russia actually has a middle class) tend to have some English and enjoy American culture and film.  The average Russian does not hate you.

If you want to find some commies who hate America you need to go no further than American Universities and Washington D.C.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 2:47:32 PM EST
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So, how many people have gotten their feels hurt by this thread so far?  
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The whole Russia narrative is in fact, FAKE NEWS.
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Lots of people are stupid enough to believe that Russia brought them this:



That's kind of what it boils down to.

It's a normal psychological reaction to the realization that you are totally and completely fucked as a society. So in order to cope, you need to blame some external agent. So CNN-watching boomers find the most convenient external agent to blame: MUH RUSSIA!

The problem with this isn't that it's stupid. It isn't even that it's wrong. Not even that it's a distraction.

The problem with this is that it prevents them from realizing that the reasons that 50% of the US population has gone completely fucking insane and suicidal...is themselves.

That's a hard pill to swallow. So it's understandable that they would need some psychological coping mechanism.

Just like the Left can't accept that Trump won because they are fucking insane, similarly the Right can't accept that the US is full of insane Leftists because of them. Not coincidentally, they both have the same coping mechanism: MUH RUSSIA!!!!

In the meantime, the US has about 25 years before it becomes literally Guatemala. But hey, muh Russia!
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I don't know if anyone wants to hear form someone who actually knows many Russians, has been to Russia, has hosted Russian students, and speaks Russian but the average Russian is either neutral or positive to the United States.  The middle and upper class (yes, Russia actually has a middle class) tend to have some English and enjoy American culture and film.  The average Russian does not hate you.

If you want to find some commies who hate America you need to go no further than American Universities and Washington D.C.
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This. People are for the most part people. The politicians that crave power will do and say anything to keep that power. From putin, to obama, to sadam, they say things to whip the population into supporting a certain narrative. GD. Dont drink the cool aid that both sides are feeding you.

Does the average american hate  an average iranian?
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I don't know if anyone wants to hear form someone who actually knows many Russians, has been to Russia, has hosted Russian students, and speaks Russian but the average Russian is either neutral or positive to the United States.  The middle and upper class (yes, Russia actually has a middle class) tend to have some English and enjoy American culture and film.  The average Russian does not hate you.

If you want to find some commies who hate America you need to go no further than American Universities and Washington D.C.
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You will be declared brainslwashed by their propaganga.  All the Russians you know are kgb trying to influence America so Putin can invade us.

Same experience I have had with the average Joe Russian. I know a couple dozen of them and have talked extensively with them about all this. General consensus is that they want about as much socialism and capitalism as we have.  They value their Independence and want no part of Europe world government.    I have far more in common with every Russian I have met then most of the hundreds of Europeans I have talked to and every democrat I have known

We should never bend policy for anyone's sake except our own whether it's Russia or Europe or china but I believe Russia is no threat.  The Russian people have no will to fight the USA and no good reason to.

Someday I honestly believe we will have a better relationship with them than Europe. Once all the old men of the cold war (on both sides) have passed away at least. That old grudge won't die till the people who were part of it die.
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Someday I honestly believe we will have a better relationship with them than Europe.
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Hopefully, when the boomers on here turn off their CNN and take their pills.
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The boomer neocon animosity here is hilarious, but kind of sad.

Currently, the largest tangible threat to the USA is Islam in any form. They could actually one of our best allies in the WOT but we need to hate them, for what exactly? They were communist once? lmao
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The boomer neocon animosity here is hilarious, but kind of sad.

Currently, the largest tangible threat to the USA is Islam in any form. They could actually one of our best allies in the WOT but we need to hate them, for what exactly? They were communist once? lmao
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I've been told on here we need to hate them because their oil company is state-owned.

By the exact same person, no less, who spend not an insignificant amount of time trying to argue why we should be friends with Saudi Fucking Arabia (synopsis: because the new king killed everyone, and hence, good guys all around. lol)
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I've been told on here we need to hate them because their oil company is state-owned.

By the exact same person, no less, who spend not an insignificant amount of time trying to argue why we should be friends with Saudi Fucking Arabia (synopsis: because the new king killed everyone, and hence, good guys all around. lol)
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The boomer neocon animosity here is hilarious, but kind of sad.

Currently, the largest tangible threat to the USA is Islam in any form. They could actually one of our best allies in the WOT but we need to hate them, for what exactly? They were communist once? lmao
I've been told on here we need to hate them because their oil company is state-owned.

By the exact same person, no less, who spend not an insignificant amount of time trying to argue why we should be friends with Saudi Fucking Arabia (synopsis: because the new king killed everyone, and hence, good guys all around. lol)
It’s as if if you are wholly incapable of honestly representing reality as it is.

When one has to lie to support their claims, it doesn’t say much for the claims themselves.
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The Ruskies are not nearly the threat of the lot of Hitler and her ilk.
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I don't know if anyone wants to hear form someone who actually knows many Russians, has been to Russia, has hosted Russian students, and speaks Russian but the average Russian is either neutral or positive to the United States.  The middle and upper class (yes, Russia actually has a middle class) tend to have some English and enjoy American culture and film.  The average Russian does not hate you.

If you want to find some commies who hate America you need to go no further than American Universities and Washington D.C.
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The common Russians have never been the problem, its their leadership that they are fearless loyal and obedient.

I can pet the nicest pitbull in the world, and it'll lick my hand and be a good dog when its just me and it. But if that pit tries to rip my throat out when his owner gives it a command to kill, he's not a good dog actually, and is a threat.
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Or, maybe, here's another thought...people here need to make up all sort of stupid reasons to justify their biases, and when challenged on their stupid reasons, respond with "but that's not my reality!"

I know it's not your reality. But reality is still what it is. And reality is that "you" (the US) are responsible for the situation you're in. Not Russia. Trying to project on Russia, isn't going to change that reality.

Arguing like 5-year old girls "BUT THEY'RE NOT MY FRIENDS!" isn't going to change reality. So what if they're not your friends? You're a 5 year old girl who only talks to people if they are her friends?

Arguing "BUT THEY'RE GOVERNMENT IS BAD!" isn't going to change reality. So what if their government is bad? Half of the US government hates you and wants you dead. 80% of the governments the US works with are bad. You're looking for good guys? You're looking in the wrong place.

So it still only boils down to...CNN-watching boomers and their psychological coping mechanism.
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The push to get former buffer states into NATO or the EU was to purposefully provoke Russia and the idea to make places like the Ukraine and Georgia geopolitical “pivots” was likewise purposeful. The tone for continuing conflict with Russia was set almost the second the USSR collapsed by men who said we should be “unapologetic” for exploiting those countries for our aspirations of imperial hegemony, even to the ends of immersing them into a state of constant warfare. This will come back to haunt us, just as “stirring up a bunch of Moslems” back in the late 70’s and early 80’s did. We seem to enjoy enabling future enemies for the sake of having temporary friends.
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Have a look at a modern NATO map, and compare it to the old USSR map, then re-assess your statement.

We overwhelmingly won the peace. The big exception is the Ukraine, which happened on Obama's watch.
The push to get former buffer states into NATO or the EU was to purposefully provoke Russia and the idea to make places like the Ukraine and Georgia geopolitical “pivots” was likewise purposeful. The tone for continuing conflict with Russia was set almost the second the USSR collapsed by men who said we should be “unapologetic” for exploiting those countries for our aspirations of imperial hegemony, even to the ends of immersing them into a state of constant warfare. This will come back to haunt us, just as “stirring up a bunch of Moslems” back in the late 70’s and early 80’s did. We seem to enjoy enabling future enemies for the sake of having temporary friends.
Now you are just parroting Russian talking points.

Is it possible that the victims of the horrible failings of Communism, saw the success of capitalism next door, then willingly aligned with NATO while Russia was on her knees?

If you were a politician in the Baltics, Ukraine or Georgia, would you be trying to get into NATO? Or sign your people up to be Putin's bitch and continue to be under the yolk of people who have no value for life? People who have habitually exploited your people for a very long time?

People want to be free and prosperous. NATO nations support freedom.
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The boomer neocon animosity here is hilarious, but kind of sad.

Currently, the largest tangible threat to the USA is Islam in any form. They could actually one of our best allies in the WOT but we need to hate them, for what exactly? They were communist once? lmao
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Islam is,at very worst,a nuisance,it is not an existential threat to the West by any means. The worry of an Islamist caliphate taking over the world is just plain silly,they can't even take over shitholes like Iraq and they are somehow a mortal danger to the US? No. Doctors writing scripts for opiates are more dangerous than Muslims.

Your simplistic view ignores a fundamental problem: Russia and the US aren't on the same side in the WOT. You want to be the ally of the country aiding the Taliban and who is the biggest supporter of the nation your Secretary of Defense calls the biggest state sponsor of terror? How are you planning for this to work? Oh yes,Russians are white Christians who hate Muslims as much as you do You don't know who invented and bankrolled Islamic terror in the 1970s and don't know who paid for the largest anti-Western protests in the world


Ignorance,pure ignorance.
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Now you are just parroting Russian talking points.

Is it possible that the victims of the horrible failings of Communism, saw the success of capitalism next door, then willingly aligned with NATO while Russia was on her knees?

If you were a politician in the Baltics, Ukraine or Georgia, would you be trying to get into NATO? Or sign your people up to be Putin's bitch and continue to be under the yolk of people who have no value for life? People who have habitually exploited your people for a very long time?

People want to be free and prosperous. NATO nations support freedom.
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I’m actually quoting a former National Security Advisor and foreign policy advisor to the US, who laid it out in 1997.
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Just can't say it can you.

The morons being churned out in massive quantities by our liberal universities, the millions of leftist hispanics flooding across our border and the media outlets that are incessantly doing everything they can to undermine this country are each FAR greater threats than Russia is. Just fucking say it.

And while we're sending hundreds of billions of dollars to the right defense companies who sucked off all the right congressmen, we're doing jack fucking shit to confront our main threats like socialist public universities, our massive national debt and defending our own fucking border.

Good news for the Russians is if they really want to be a dominant player, invade the US, undermine our strategic interests in money-pit sandboxes or whatever the fuck it is that they're trying to do, they'll have a much easier time doing it after our own homegrown leftists turn this country into a Venezuelan-tier shithole.

So you can clamor on about how we need to best address this hyuuuge Russian threat, but none of that is going to matter when interest rates rise and the gears of this country come to a grinding halt as the economy and federal budget are simultaneously obliterated by a lack of cheap credit and higher interest payments. Soldiers will get furloughed and F-15's will be rusting on the tarmac because the govt doesn't have enough funds to maintain them and what little money they do have left is being used to appease the barbarous hungry mobs rioting and burning shit down for their EBT and the AARP hordes who won't accept any reduction in their social security or medicare payments because that would result in them not being able to make the payments on their RX350's. All the while, some douchebag like Bernie will be riling up the dipshits and will further plunge us into an authoritarian socialist state after getting elected.

But Russia was such a big threat compared to all of that petty shit...
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So we can only deal with one enemy?

I agree that ignoring the leftists is a huge problem. Thankfully Trump is doing something about that in a way that weak Republicans never have.

That is not what this thread is about. This thread is about Russia, and how they are our enemy. Not only is the above a piss pour excuse to ignore the Russian problem, a lot of morons on this website support the Russians and spread their propaganda.
Just can't say it can you.

The morons being churned out in massive quantities by our liberal universities, the millions of leftist hispanics flooding across our border and the media outlets that are incessantly doing everything they can to undermine this country are each FAR greater threats than Russia is. Just fucking say it.

And while we're sending hundreds of billions of dollars to the right defense companies who sucked off all the right congressmen, we're doing jack fucking shit to confront our main threats like socialist public universities, our massive national debt and defending our own fucking border.

Good news for the Russians is if they really want to be a dominant player, invade the US, undermine our strategic interests in money-pit sandboxes or whatever the fuck it is that they're trying to do, they'll have a much easier time doing it after our own homegrown leftists turn this country into a Venezuelan-tier shithole.

So you can clamor on about how we need to best address this hyuuuge Russian threat, but none of that is going to matter when interest rates rise and the gears of this country come to a grinding halt as the economy and federal budget are simultaneously obliterated by a lack of cheap credit and higher interest payments. Soldiers will get furloughed and F-15's will be rusting on the tarmac because the govt doesn't have enough funds to maintain them and what little money they do have left is being used to appease the barbarous hungry mobs rioting and burning shit down for their EBT and the AARP hordes who won't accept any reduction in their social security or medicare payments because that would result in them not being able to make the payments on their RX350's. All the while, some douchebag like Bernie will be riling up the dipshits and will further plunge us into an authoritarian socialist state after getting elected.

But Russia was such a big threat compared to all of that petty shit...
NO I will not be diverted from the topic of discussion the thread is about.

If you want to start the 87,000th thread in GD about how Marxist liberals are rotting America from the inside, go ahead. I will be glad to agree and contribute.

Who really can't face the music in THIS thread? It is the people like you, who can't admit to themselves that they are being useful idiots for America's biggest and most dangerous foreign enemy.
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"Former buffer states"? You mean nations occupied by the Soviets?

Your " aspirations of imperial hegemony, even to the ends of immersing them into a state of constant warfare" line is perfect Cold War Soviet rubbish.
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The push to get former buffer states into NATO or the EU was to purposefully provoke Russia and the idea to make places like the Ukraine and Georgia geopolitical “pivots” was likewise purposeful. The tone for continuing conflict with Russia was set almost the second the USSR collapsed by men who said we should be “unapologetic” for exploiting those countries for our aspirations of imperial hegemony, even to the ends of immersing them into a state of constant warfare. This will come back to haunt us, just as “stirring up a bunch of Moslems” back in the late 70’s and early 80’s did. We seem to enjoy enabling future enemies for the sake of having temporary friends.
"Former buffer states"? You mean nations occupied by the Soviets?

Your " aspirations of imperial hegemony, even to the ends of immersing them into a state of constant warfare" line is perfect Cold War Soviet rubbish.
It's both surprising and disheartening to hear an American parrot Soviet Cold War propaganda-speak as if it was fact. Language has meaning and to call those states that were occupied and fell victim to the USSR "buffer states" -- using the same terminology the Communists used -- is sickening, quite frankly. Those countries were occupied and under siege by the USSR. "Buffer states" my ass.

It's amazing how many here don't see Russia for what it is and has always been -- an evil empire, just as Reagan said.
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