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Posted: 1/17/2014 5:56:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryJapanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. Your a tad wrong on your facts. The japs committed perhaps worse or at least the same level of atrocities as the germans did. Do some reading on the Units the japs had set up in china.....namely Unit 731. The reason the Germans are remembered is because the way the history books are written. Yes and no. The Army and Navy knew about cannibalism for instance, but kept it classified, to spare the families the details of their loved ones demise. My grandpa was a medevac pilot in the pacific, he was involved in taking POWs back from mainland Japan after the war as well (in fact he was the 2nd plane in to tokyo to evac POWs) He had in his scrapbook, a 2 paragraph backpage article from 1946 or 47 about the executions of war criminals for cannibalism and other things, but thats all that was written about it, the bare minimum. The nazis are in history the way they are because of the industrial scale and organization of their genocide. They fully documented what they did and they had it down to a science. Jap atrocities were generally not organized, they were conducted in lieu of any official policy at the unit level. It was disorganized but widespread and they killed just about as many people. Whats horrifiying about that it that it was not centrally run, there was no plan, the japs were just raping and murdering willy nilly, unit 731 aside |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:04:22 AM EST
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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:06:50 AM EST
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 nazi tramp stamps are so edgy!
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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:09:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryCrikey you know pants are tight when a scrawny thing like her looks like she's got a muffin top ... |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:09:40 AM EST
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<Removed. Don't make those accusations unless you have proof. -NorCal> That's a pretty bold claim. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:11:54 AM EST
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Smith Enterprises: If you're reading this and give a turd, PM me. I will re-do your logo so it doesn't look like you celebrate Hitler's entire catalogue.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:14:05 AM EST
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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:30:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes and no. The Army and Navy knew about cannibalism for instance, but kept it classified, to spare the families the details of their loved ones demise. My grandpa was a medevac pilot in the pacific, he was involved in taking POWs back from mainland Japan after the war as well (in fact he was the 2nd plane in to tokyo to evac POWs) He had in his scrapbook, a 2 paragraph backpage article from 1946 or 47 about the executions of war criminals for cannibalism and other things, but thats all that was written about it, the bare minimum. The nazis are in history the way they are because of the industrial scale and organization of their genocide. They fully documented what they did and they had it down to a science. Jap atrocities were generally not organized, they were conducted in lieu of any official policy at the unit level. It was disorganized but widespread and they killed just about as many people. Whats horrifiying about that it that it was not centrally run, there was no plan, the japs were just raping and murdering willy nilly, unit 731 aside Quote HistoryQuoted: Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. Your a tad wrong on your facts. The japs committed perhaps worse or at least the same level of atrocities as the germans did. Do some reading on the Units the japs had set up in china.....namely Unit 731. The reason the Germans are remembered is because the way the history books are written. Yes and no. The Army and Navy knew about cannibalism for instance, but kept it classified, to spare the families the details of their loved ones demise. My grandpa was a medevac pilot in the pacific, he was involved in taking POWs back from mainland Japan after the war as well (in fact he was the 2nd plane in to tokyo to evac POWs) He had in his scrapbook, a 2 paragraph backpage article from 1946 or 47 about the executions of war criminals for cannibalism and other things, but thats all that was written about it, the bare minimum. The nazis are in history the way they are because of the industrial scale and organization of their genocide. They fully documented what they did and they had it down to a science. Jap atrocities were generally not organized, they were conducted in lieu of any official policy at the unit level. It was disorganized but widespread and they killed just about as many people. Whats horrifiying about that it that it was not centrally run, there was no plan, the japs were just raping and murdering willy nilly, unit 731 aside This is what I'm talking about - I'm not suggesting that the Japs weren't as evil, or didn't commit horrible atrocities, but the scale and manners in which they were carried out (compared the the Nazis) is exactly my point. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:39:16 AM EST
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 Apparently this new skull logo is 7 months old.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:49:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your a tad wrong on your facts. The japs committed perhaps worse or at least the same level of attrocities as the germans did. Do some reading on the Units the japs had set up in china.....namely Unit 731. The reason the Germans are remembered is because the way the history books are written. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Same here. Pantie binding over it really makes me wonder WTF. Wow... I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. Your a tad wrong on your facts. The japs committed perhaps worse or at least the same level of attrocities as the germans did. Do some reading on the Units the japs had set up in china.....namely Unit 731. The reason the Germans are remembered is because the way the history books are written. I think you're missing my point... Brutallity wise the Japs were right up there with the Germans (some cases worse). Scale wise? Not even close. Yes, I'm well aware of the Nanjing massacre and Unit 731, but when you compare the scale of the Jap atrocities to the Germans, it's unparalleled. The scale of Nazi atrocities, and more importantly the sophistication and organization of their atrocities is why history remembers them as the greater evil of the two. That's my point. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:15:01 AM EST
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:22:30 AM EST
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I don't know anything about Nazi emblems, so at first I thought "looks stupid to me but whatever." Then I continued reading the thread and was like
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:25:55 AM EST
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instead they are decorating their booth with them,
they really need an intervention before the Brady's get wind.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:26:01 AM EST
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Quoted:The Imperial German (previously Prussian) 1st and 2nd Life Guard Hussar Regiments (descendant from the Prussian 5th Hussar Regiment) "Totenkopfhusssaren" (Deaths Head Hussars) used a different totenkopf - this is Princess Luise of Prussia in their uniform:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg5kjkNiui1qaphz7o1_500.jpg Thats hot. I would do her. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:37:35 AM EST
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Ron Smith doesn't care, the man's ego is enormous due to the rabid M14 fanbase that lines up to suck his dick.
If you're the type of person who has invested over $5k into an obsolete weapon with no resale value, you are totally committed to the cause and the cult leader. The big spenders will keep handing him money as long as he keeps providing and he knows it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:38:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crikey you know pants are tight when a scrawny thing like her looks like she's got a muffin top ... Quote HistoryQuoted: Crikey you know pants are tight when a scrawny thing like her looks like she's got a muffin top ...  |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:40:12 AM EST
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I think you're missing my point... Brutallity wise the Japs were right up there with the Germans (some cases worse). Scale wise? Not even close. Yes, I'm well aware of the Nanjing massacre and Unit 731, but when you compare the scale of the Jap atrocities to the Germans, it's unparalleled. The scale of Nazi atrocities, and more importantly the sophistication and organization of their atrocities is why history remembers them as the greater evil of the two. That's my point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I think you're missing my point... Brutallity wise the Japs were right up there with the Germans (some cases worse). Scale wise? Not even close. Yes, I'm well aware of the Nanjing massacre and Unit 731, but when you compare the scale of the Jap atrocities to the Germans, it's unparalleled. The scale of Nazi atrocities, and more importantly the sophistication and organization of their atrocities is why history remembers them as the greater evil of the two. That's my point. Someone said this thread would expose 88ers, but in truth it has exposed historical revisionist. The Japanese nationalist, like the German nationalist thought of themselves a superior race. Thus that wanted to wipe out what they felt was the inferior race of Chinese and SE Asians. Crimes[edit]
The Japanese military during the 1930s and 1940s is often compared to the military of Nazi Germany during 1933–45 because of the sheer scale of suffering. Much of the controversy regarding Japan's role in World War II revolves around the death rates of prisoners of war and civilians under Japanese occupation. Historian Chalmers Johnson has written that: It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimised. The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians (i.e. Soviet citizens); the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers—and, in the case of the Japanese, as (forced) prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not the Soviet Union) you faced a 4% chance of not surviving the war; (by comparison) the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30%.[35] If your suffering from indignant outrage over this symbol ask yourself why? Why this and not the Rising Sun on t-shirts? Why this and not the Hammer and Sickle on you cheap ammo boxes? Why this and not the Confederatet flag? |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:47:45 AM EST
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Ah yes 13'r - I choose to join a culture and community of gun owners who are persecuted by anti-gun activists, and our insecure members attempt to ostracize new members. Great way to create a divided house, and too bad you are not focused on being a part of the solution instead of antagonizing other gun owners. I bet some here wish that you hadn't. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:53:06 AM EST
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If your suffering from indignant outrage over this symbol ask yourself why? Why this and not the Rising Sun on t-shirts? Why this and not the Hammer and Sickle on you cheap ammo boxes? Why this and not the Confederatet flag? I'm not outraged, at all, but I won't purchase tshirts with a rising sun, hammer and sickle, or to a lesser extent, the confederate flag. If you want to, go for it, it's your right. It's also my right to point and laugh, and call you a raging douche. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:53:54 AM EST
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nvm messed up quotes
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:54:28 AM EST
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Someone said this thread would expose 88ers, but in truth it has exposed historical revisionist. The Japanese nationalist, like the German nationalist thought of themselves a superior race. Thus that wanted to wipe out what they felt was the inferior race of Chinese and SE Asians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think you're missing my point... Brutallity wise the Japs were right up there with the Germans (some cases worse). Scale wise? Not even close. Yes, I'm well aware of the Nanjing massacre and Unit 731, but when you compare the scale of the Jap atrocities to the Germans, it's unparalleled. The scale of Nazi atrocities, and more importantly the sophistication and organization of their atrocities is why history remembers them as the greater evil of the two. That's my point. Someone said this thread would expose 88ers, but in truth it has exposed historical revisionist. The Japanese nationalist, like the German nationalist thought of themselves a superior race. Thus that wanted to wipe out what they felt was the inferior race of Chinese and SE Asians. Is now a bad time to point out that Stalin's regime killed two times as many people (or maybe even more) as the Nazis in Russia's own death camps (Gulags), through various mass executions, purges, the starving of the Ukraine, etc? Depending on which source you look to, Stalin ordered the murder of somewhere between 20 million and 60 million of his own people. I wonder if we never hear about this because the Democratic party that now controls a great deal of our media and schools was friends with Stalin during his rampage of mass murder, and still to this day wants to set up a similar Communist paradise here in the US? ETA: Oh by the way, a couple of East European countries that were formerly happy members of the glorious Soviet Union have actually banned the use of the red star marking. It seems they see it as being quite similar to a swastika or an SS death's head and figure that only an idiot or a hatemonger would want to use such a symbol... |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:55:37 AM EST
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Outrage or not, there is no debating that they purposely chose that particular image.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:56:40 AM EST
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I'm not outraged, at all, but I won't purchase tshirts with a rising sun, hammer and sickle, or to a lesser extent, the confederate flag. If you want to, go for it, it's your right. It's also my right to point and laugh, and call you a raging douche. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your suffering from indignant outrage over this symbol ask yourself why? Why this and not the Rising Sun on t-shirts? Why this and not the Hammer and Sickle on you cheap ammo boxes? Why this and not the Confederatet flag? I'm not outraged, at all, but I won't purchase tshirts with a rising sun, hammer and sickle, or to a lesser extent, the confederate flag. If you want to, go for it, it's your right. It's also my right to point and laugh, and call you a raging douche. Why do feel the need to call me or anyone a raging douche? Look at it, using your internal voice say "I wouldn't do that" and move on with your day. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:57:12 AM EST
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Playing the "who was the bigger asshole in WW2" game doesn't change the fact that the SS and the Germans are very high up on the list.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:00:51 AM EST
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What a horrible decision.
There is simply no question where that TK originates. And leave it to GD to get in to the whole "who was worse" argument. How the heck is that even relevant? |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:07:23 AM EST
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Why do feel the need to call me or anyone a raging douche? Look at it, using your internal voice say "I wouldn't do that" and move on with your day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your suffering from indignant outrage over this symbol ask yourself why? Why this and not the Rising Sun on t-shirts? Why this and not the Hammer and Sickle on you cheap ammo boxes? Why this and not the Confederatet flag? I'm not outraged, at all, but I won't purchase tshirts with a rising sun, hammer and sickle, or to a lesser extent, the confederate flag. If you want to, go for it, it's your right. It's also my right to point and laugh, and call you a raging douche. Why do feel the need to call me or anyone a raging douche? Look at it, using your internal voice say "I wouldn't do that" and move on with your day. By wearing one of those shirts, you're making some kind of idiotic passive aggressive statement. you have a right to make a statement with a shirt, and I have the right to use my mouth, or a different shirt, or a sign, or a thread on a message board, or a full page newspaper ad, or anyway I damn well please. Why should you get to wear a shirt making a statement for all to see, but I have to use my "internal voice". |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:09:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
By wearing one of those shirts, you're making some kind of idiotic passive aggressive statement. you have a right to make a statement with a shirt, and I have the right to use my mouth, or a different shirt, or a sign, or a thread on a message board, or a full page newspaper ad, or anyway I damn well please. Why should you get to wear a shirt making a statement for all to see, but I have to use my "internal voice". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your suffering from indignant outrage over this symbol ask yourself why? Why this and not the Rising Sun on t-shirts? Why this and not the Hammer and Sickle on you cheap ammo boxes? Why this and not the Confederatet flag? I'm not outraged, at all, but I won't purchase tshirts with a rising sun, hammer and sickle, or to a lesser extent, the confederate flag. If you want to, go for it, it's your right. It's also my right to point and laugh, and call you a raging douche. Why do feel the need to call me or anyone a raging douche? Look at it, using your internal voice say "I wouldn't do that" and move on with your day. By wearing one of those shirts, you're making some kind of idiotic passive aggressive statement. you have a right to make a statement with a shirt, and I have the right to use my mouth, or a different shirt, or a sign, or a thread on a message board, or a full page newspaper ad, or anyway I damn well please. Why should you get to wear a shirt making a statement for all to see, but I have to use my "internal voice". Because reasons. 88 reasons to be exact. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:12:53 AM EST
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Ron Smith doesn't care, the man's ego is enormous due to the rabid M14 fanbase that lines up to suck his dick. If you're the type of person who has invested over $5k into an obsolete weapon with no resale value, you are totally committed to the cause and the cult leader. The big spenders will keep handing him money as long as he keeps providing and he knows it. I own a smith Enterprise built rifle, and I truly do think that it is a world class system... and I also think this is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen a company do. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:15:31 AM EST
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Playing the "who was the bigger asshole in WW2" game doesn't change the fact that the SS and the Germans are very high up on the list. Top...the SS were the top of that list. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:20:02 AM EST
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Top...the SS were the top of that list. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Playing the "who was the bigger asshole in WW2" game doesn't change the fact that the SS and the Germans are very high up on the list. Top...the SS were the top of that list. I think unit 731 is very close. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:25:27 AM EST
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Because reasons. 88 reasons to be exact. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your suffering from indignant outrage over this symbol ask yourself why? Why this and not the Rising Sun on t-shirts? Why this and not the Hammer and Sickle on you cheap ammo boxes? Why this and not the Confederatet flag? I'm not outraged, at all, but I won't purchase tshirts with a rising sun, hammer and sickle, or to a lesser extent, the confederate flag. If you want to, go for it, it's your right. It's also my right to point and laugh, and call you a raging douche. Why do feel the need to call me or anyone a raging douche? Look at it, using your internal voice say "I wouldn't do that" and move on with your day. By wearing one of those shirts, you're making some kind of idiotic passive aggressive statement. you have a right to make a statement with a shirt, and I have the right to use my mouth, or a different shirt, or a sign, or a thread on a message board, or a full page newspaper ad, or anyway I damn well please. Why should you get to wear a shirt making a statement for all to see, but I have to use my "internal voice". Because reasons. 88 reasons to be exact. Even more reason to be publicly shamed. It's a powerful tool, shame, and it should be used more often. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:36:35 AM EST
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Someone said this thread would expose 88ers, but in truth it has exposed historical revisionist. The Japanese nationalist, like the German nationalist thought of themselves a superior race. Thus that wanted to wipe out what they felt was the inferior race of Chinese and SE Asians. If your suffering from indignant outrage over this symbol ask yourself why? Why this and not the Rising Sun on t-shirts? Why this and not the Hammer and Sickle on you cheap ammo boxes? Why this and not the Confederatet flag? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think you're missing my point... Brutallity wise the Japs were right up there with the Germans (some cases worse). Scale wise? Not even close. Yes, I'm well aware of the Nanjing massacre and Unit 731, but when you compare the scale of the Jap atrocities to the Germans, it's unparalleled. The scale of Nazi atrocities, and more importantly the sophistication and organization of their atrocities is why history remembers them as the greater evil of the two. That's my point. Someone said this thread would expose 88ers, but in truth it has exposed historical revisionist. The Japanese nationalist, like the German nationalist thought of themselves a superior race. Thus that wanted to wipe out what they felt was the inferior race of Chinese and SE Asians. Crimes[edit]
The Japanese military during the 1930s and 1940s is often compared to the military of Nazi Germany during 1933–45 because of the sheer scale of suffering. Much of the controversy regarding Japan's role in World War II revolves around the death rates of prisoners of war and civilians under Japanese occupation. Historian Chalmers Johnson has written that: It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimised. The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians (i.e. Soviet citizens); the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers—and, in the case of the Japanese, as (forced) prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not the Soviet Union) you faced a 4% chance of not surviving the war; (by comparison) the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30%.[35] If your suffering from indignant outrage over this symbol ask yourself why? Why this and not the Rising Sun on t-shirts? Why this and not the Hammer and Sickle on you cheap ammo boxes? Why this and not the Confederatet flag? You want the answer? It's because the Germans look like us. We overlooked what the Japanese did because it was easy to say "Well they aren't anything like us, of course they would do shit like that!" Not so for the Germans, especially when many people in the US, and those who fought for the US, can easily trace back their ancestry there. (myself included) Why do you think it was more acceptable to round up all of the Japanese Americans during the war and put them in camps of their own, but not Germans? Same reason. 
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:40:24 AM EST
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As if SEI didn't prove stupid enough with their over the top lawsuit, now they use SS symbology in their logo? Retards. They'll probably sue me for this.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:49:10 AM EST
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So when are they going to have armbands with the new logo in their apparel section?
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:53:10 AM EST
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It's fascinating to me how some people seem to be drawn to ANY thread that is remotely related to nazi Germany, in order to point out how bad the Soviets and Japanese were (and to persistently argue the point).
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:57:33 AM EST
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It's fascinating to me how some people seem to be drawn to ANY thread that is remotely related to nazi Germany, in order to point out how bad the Soviets and Japanese were (and to persistently argue the point). Yeah, pretty weird to deflect from what the Nazi's did with what others did. It's like a kid in a school yard who justifies beating people up because he's not the only one doing it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:58:17 AM EST
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Even more reason to be publicly shamed. It's a powerful tool, shame, and it should be used more often. I find no shame in not letting a cartoon skeleton or any other inanimate object offend me. Let me check the news to see if this logo caused GD to overun our embassies in Europe. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 9:58:51 AM EST
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It's fascinating to me how some people seem to be drawn to ANY thread that is remotely related to nazi Germany, in order to point out how bad the Soviets and Japanese were (and to persistently argue the point). Use your internal voice prof.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:01:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think unit 731 is very close. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Playing the "who was the bigger asshole in WW2" game doesn't change the fact that the SS and the Germans are very high up on the list. Top...the SS were the top of that list. I think unit 731 is very close. The Japanese had one Unit 731. The Nazis had 1,500 Unit 731s (other sources site up to 15,000 camps). As far as that list goes (who's the bigger ass), the SS own it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:06:16 AM EST
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I find no shame in not letting a cartoon skeleton or any other inanimate object offend me. Let me check the news to see if this logo caused GD to overun our embassies in Europe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even more reason to be publicly shamed. It's a powerful tool, shame, and it should be used more often. I find no shame in not letting a cartoon skeleton or any other inanimate object offend me. Let me check the news to see if this logo caused GD to overun our embassies in Europe. lol |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:07:01 AM EST
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Another one. This thread is like a honey trap for 88ers.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To offend me you would have to talk smack about my SO/family members. Some of you are as bad as the butt sensitive libtards. Another one. This thread is like a honey trap for 88ers. ^^^Another emotionally undeveloped and indignant huffer who failed to do his homework. Quoted:
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To offend me you would have to talk smack about my SO/family members. Some of you are as bad as the butt sensitive libtards. Hmm, men wearing those symbols butchered 68 innocent Italian villagers because those people hid my Grandfather after he was shot down. Is that close enough? Do I have your permission to be furious now? My family is Polish. I will never forget, but I can't afford to waste emotional energy on the past. Poor taste on the part of SEI, but that's their problem. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:09:14 AM EST
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Pretty much this. The market will decide if this idea for a logo was good, bad, or indifferent.
I am enjoying the posts by people who are trying very hard to show that they are anti-politically correct zealots and that the rest of you are just a bunch of liberal hippies. 
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It might bother you, it might not. Even so, although I'm not in marketing I'm pretty sure one of their top ten suggestions is to never make your company look like literal Nazis, and i think most of us can agree this is a good idea. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:18:27 AM EST
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Yup. I know a guy that specializes in this kind of legal defense. PM me for his number.
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SMITH MUZZLE DEVICES http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/images2/g61.jpg ELIMINATE MUZZLE CLIMB AND FLASH AS WELL AS UNTERMENSCHEN Oh, you're soooo gonna get sued now. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:22:39 AM EST
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Anyone get served yet?
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:27:29 AM EST
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It's fascinating to me how some people seem to be drawn to ANY thread that is remotely related to nazi Germany, in order to point out how bad the Soviets and Japanese were (and to persistently argue the point). its like 6.8 and 6.5 guys in a 300 BLK thread.. friggen crazy.. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:30:16 AM EST
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Just curious, is this the same website that got pissed at the Media freaking out about the Marine Scout Sniper logo? Those snipers were trolling like douchebags. Those snipers? I don't think you understand how long they have been using the "SS" symbol. Because they couldn't have been trolling for decades.... |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:48:50 AM EST
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Needs a catchphrase like "Smith Enterprises - The Final Solution." I Wannsee what you did there You win the internet retort of the day. Thank you
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:49:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Why do you think it was more acceptable to round up all of the Japanese Americans during the war and put them in camps of their own, but not Germans? Same reason. We put german americans in camps too. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:49:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Scout Snipers were using the SS as early as 1993. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just curious, is this the same website that got pissed at the Media freaking out about the Marine Scout Sniper logo? There's pretty big difference between two letters in the same style and a DIRECT FUCKING COPY of the logo. Especially when the company itself admits that Mr. Ron Smith himself loves it and appropriated it for himself. The Scout Sniper thing is another fuck up. Did they REALLY think they weren't going to get a shit storm for using that as a symbol of their unit? It doesn't matter if it's not exactly identical - its pretty fucking close - close enough. The Scout Snipers were using the SS as early as 1993. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:50:04 AM EST
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What's up with all the people comparing this to rising sun shirts or hammer and sickles on your ammo box?
The major difference here isn't that some d-bag decided to wear this out clubbing so he looked edgy, he made this his COMPANY LOGO. 
Do I feel all butthurt over the logo personally? Nope. My family didn't get gassed and cremated, and my Grandad fought the japs and never set a foot in Europe. But- I will say that using that symbol in the context of what it became during the last great war is the epitome of poor taste. |
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