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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:07:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are bolted in. The epirb is water activated. How would they deploy it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: $250k per person and no EPIRB or PLB? https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAmHEVYp9kYca3JIVDci0NvQTH7UuNJz-XFKbcKifgTvzqzTQszCppDf8uBL_u_HVaMmDusWA They are bolted in. The epirb is water activated. How would they deploy it? There are manual & automatic models. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:08:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I haven't gotten a fixed idea on the number of times either. But this is Expedition 5, iirc. And assuming like 12-15 guests per expedition, that means about 5 dives per expedition minimum. Plus some extras along the way, perhaps. I don't think it's only been down like 5 times, but I could be wrong. So it's making multiple dives per expedition? Makes sense but jfc no way that thing was getting the maintenance it needed. Thats goddamn terrifying |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Josh Gates from Expedition Unknown was in this sub but passed on going a second time. https://deadline.com/2023/06/expedition-unknown-tv-host-josh-gates-titanic-sub-dive-concerns-1235422136/amp/ For him to walk away from a chance to see the titanic speaks volumes. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:10:04 PM EDT
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Why the hell would the thing not have been tethered to the mothership?
Something goes bad, just winch it back on up. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:10:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWho was the guy recently who had the worst weekend of his life because he had to sign a safety waiver? |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:11:16 PM EDT
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 The Last Starfighter (9/10) Movie CLIP - We Die (1984) HD I can't stop think of this scene in the "Last Starfighter". "What do we do now?" ... "we die" Such a sad thing & yet they took the risk. Kind of a very stupid risk. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:11:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: aprox ~12 hours At 8-9am eastern Thursday, it's lights out.  Tick tock tick tock tick tock |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:12:13 PM EDT
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Is there a CO2 reclaimer? Is there a CO2 tank holding expelled air?
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:12:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:12:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: aprox ~12 hours At 8-9am eastern Thursday, it's lights out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many hours left? aprox ~12 hours At 8-9am eastern Thursday, it's lights out. RIP to the deceased. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:13:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the hell would the thing not have been tethered to the mothership? Something goes bad, just winch it back on up. I’m guessing it has something to do with weighing 22K pounds and needing 3 miles of “tether” to do that. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:14:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the hell would the thing not have been tethered to the mothership? Something goes bad, just winch it back on up. My thought too. I initially thought the umbilical should include air supply, but it was pointed out that the air hose would need to be large, and pressurized and the water currents would act on the hose to move the sub. But a simple steel tether? Don't see why not. Just stay away from overheads, which they should be doing anyway. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:14:36 PM EDT
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Just wondering, has ANYBODY sent an rov down to the wreck itself and looked around?
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:15:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Futility/The Wreck of the Titan 1898 My son found this today. Odd set of coincidences. Original book was written in 1898 about a ship called the Titan sinking in the North Atlantic. https://www.cracked.com/article_18421_6-insane-coincidences-you-wont-believe-actually-happened.html "Where it Gets Even Weirder: While the novel does bear some curious coincidences with the Titanic disaster, there are quite a few things that Robertson got flat wrong. For one, the Titanic did not crash into an iceberg "400 miles from Newfoundland" at 25 knots. It crashed into an iceberg 400 miles from Newfoundland at 22.5 knots. Wait, what the fuck? That's one hell of a lucky guess!" |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:16:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are manual & automatic models. VHF and UHF radio doesn't work well underwater |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:19:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing it has something to do with weighing 22K pounds and needing 3 miles of "tether" to do that. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:19:35 PM EDT
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according to these pics they did some upgrades to it. the thrusters are enclosed and all the cable's,wires are gone. the second pic is it in St John's harbour.
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:20:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: VHF and UHF radio doesn't work well underwater From my experience I doubt either will give you a signal at 15 feet near the surface in salt water |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:20:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't combed the thread to see if this has been posted up yet. Here's a video from the documentary "The Abyss" that shows an example of an implosion on an underwater vehicle.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkhBPF4yfkINeeds more flame. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:21:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Adding conduit adds air pockets would be my guess. That conduit would have to be rated for 5500PSI, not possible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not going to read 60 pages so hopefully one of you can answer this question. Why would anyone design a sub with all that cabling shit exposed to the elements. Even a dumb dumb like myself would run that inside the hull or at least have some type of conduit to protect the cabling. But what the hell do I know.   Adding conduit adds air pockets would be my guess. That conduit would have to be rated for 5500PSI, not possible. Fill it with resin. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:22:56 PM EDT
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Anyone else notice that the "only switch" onboard that the CEO points out in several videos looks a lot like these cheap 12V push switches available from Amazon and a lot of other places?
Here's a 2 pack for $16 with free Prime shipping. edit: yep, I see several others have pointed this out as well.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:23:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIsn’t that the same ship they sent to help bring supplies to the rescue yesterday? |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m guessing it has something to do with weighing 22K pounds and needing 3 miles of “tether” to do that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why the hell would the thing not have been tethered to the mothership? Something goes bad, just winch it back on up. I’m guessing it has something to do with weighing 22K pounds and needing 3 miles of “tether” to do that. Kevlar rope. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:24:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else notice that the "only switch" onboard that the CEO points out in several videos looks a lot like these cheap 12V push switches available from Amazon and a lot of other places? Here's a 2 pack for $16 with free Prime shipping. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164515/IMG_4355_jpeg-2859699.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164515/IMG_4356_jpeg-2859707.JPG Wouldn’t be the only Amazon item on that sub |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:25:15 PM EDT
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Despite the weight, I wouldn't think a tether would even need to be particularly thick or robust.
It takes a lot less force to move a heavy object up through water relative to the force required to lift it OUT of the water. I know cuz lifting my pool robot up from the pool (humble brag). |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:25:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My thought too. I initially thought the umbilical should include air supply, but it was pointed out that the air hose would need to be large, and pressurized and the water currents would act on the hose to move the sub. But a simple steel tether? Don't see why not. Just stay away from overheads, which they should be doing anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why the hell would the thing not have been tethered to the mothership? Something goes bad, just winch it back on up. My thought too. I initially thought the umbilical should include air supply, but it was pointed out that the air hose would need to be large, and pressurized and the water currents would act on the hose to move the sub. But a simple steel tether? Don't see why not. Just stay away from overheads, which they should be doing anyway. Kevlar rope. 31k lb tensile is only 1/2” diameter. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:26:20 PM EDT
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I'm sure this has been posted but the court case document is here:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23854184-oceangate-v-david-lochridge That is the whole fucking story. Right there. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:26:33 PM EDT
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Do we know if they've tried turning it off and back on again?
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:26:51 PM EDT
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My prediction - this thing suffered a catastrophic failure and ended up crushed like a soda can, sank to the bottom, and they won’t find it for at least a decade or two, if ever.
It took search teams 2 years to find the wreckage of Air France Flight 447 at a similar depth, and that had a 2000 ft long debris field, about 150x the size of this dinky little thing. Also wouldn’t be surprised if the “sounds” they’re picking up continue well after the oxygen is due to run out. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:28:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else notice that the "only switch" onboard that the CEO points out in several videos looks a lot like these cheap 12V push switches available from Amazon and a lot of other places? Here's a 2 pack for $16 with free Prime shipping. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164515/IMG_4355_jpeg-2859699.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164515/IMG_4356_jpeg-2859707.JPG Right when he points out going 12k feet deep should be just like an elevator. Uh no sir. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:28:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else notice that the "only switch" onboard that the CEO points out in several videos looks a lot like these cheap 12V push switches available from Amazon and a lot of other places? Here's a 2 pack for $16 with free Prime shipping. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164515/IMG_4355_jpeg-2859699.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164515/IMG_4356_jpeg-2859707.JPG It should be like an elevator! 
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:29:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kevlar rope. Do they sell it on Amazon? |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kevlar rope. 31k lb tensile is only 1/2” diameter. Yup. Not seeing the problem, except it doesn't look sexy. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:30:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You got to be from Alabama to appreciate thishttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/55925/IMG_4068_jpeg-2859405.JPG That’s the “Master Chef”. About time she got crackin on this! |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:30:58 PM EDT
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59 years old in on page 59. !
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:32:22 PM EDT
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When you press the elevator button and poop in the bucket at the same time, the sub takes a screenshot.
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:33:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just imagine if they retrieved it from the ocean floor, brought it to the surface, opened it up and there was no one in there!  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: For those who want to actually think about possiblities... To raise the sub if they find it and can get a remote control sub to it: There are photos online of the sub being lifted using two straps wrapped around the tube/end cap mating surfaces. In other words they do not have lifting eyes on the sub to lift it. A remote control sub is not going to have the capability to wrap a strap around the sub while it is laying on the sea floor. There appears to be no available structural points to lift the sub that are accessible with the shrouding in place(and there may not be any lift points underneath the shroud). So any lifting is going to be very risky and, if the people are alive, very dangerous. If the sub is floating on the surface is weighs in excess of 23k pounds, so the only helicopters that could even maybe lift it would be a ch53 of a ch47. Getting a strap around the floating sub is feasible, but also risky(if it is dropped the people could easily be killed when it hits the water). In other words, if they do find it floating they will have to wait for a surface ship to catch up to it. LOL. It was sling-loaded everywhere?! And it had to mate to that other platform to be removed from the water? This just gets better and better... If a P-8 got a surface radar hit on it, the HH-60 gets to it, a diver---somehow---gets a sling around it, can it be towed by the helicopter to the ship? Like those old CH-53s they used to tow nautical demining sleds? What a mess. Screw all that. Get it to the surface, open the hatch, get everybody out, send Titan to it's grave. Just imagine if the rigging broke as they were bobbing on the surface opening that hatch and they slipped back down into the dark...... Just imagine if they retrieved it from the ocean floor, brought it to the surface, opened it up and there was no one in there! Our SME’s have weighed in on this. They’ll be in there…. ….shrunk down to the size of a Thimble A Handful a Tiny little Thimbelina Billionairs. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:34:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kevlar rope. Three miles of 550 cord would have put them in a better position for recovery than they're in now. At least they'd know where it was at. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:34:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: VHF and UHF radio doesn't work well underwater Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are manual & automatic models. VHF and UHF radio doesn't work well underwater Nor does this sub. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:35:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 59 years old in on page 59. ! |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:35:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure this has been posted but the court case document is here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23854184-oceangate-v-david-lochridge That is the whole fucking story. Right there. Wow. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:35:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From my experience I doubt either will give you a signal at 15 feet near the surface in salt water Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: VHF and UHF radio doesn't work well underwater From my experience I doubt either will give you a signal at 15 feet near the surface in salt water Due to conduction, caused by seawater, just read that. The USN used VLF on subs for sometime. What is the USS Titanic using currently? |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:36:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many hours left? No one has any idea, really. As any diver or firefighter knows from experience, breathing rates will be a significant factor ...and the breathing rates of untrained passengers under stress are likely to adversely impact their supply significantly. I'm also skeptical of the company's 96-hour estimate of supply/scrubbing, but even assuming it is a fair estimate for 5 people, I believe the stress would have pushed them to the limit already, assuming, of course, they did not perish in a fire or due to catastrophic structural failure, which I think is more likely. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:36:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm thinking the BIC lighter at 1:33 center-bottom isn't from the Titanic |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:37:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Despite the weight, I wouldn't think a tether would even need to be particularly thick or robust. It takes a lot less force to move a heavy object up through water relative to the force required to lift it OUT of the water. I know cuz lifting my pool robot up from the pool (humble brag). Because most of these subs are way better built and the companies making them like Triton have a lot of experience behind them. They also participate in the industry and work with 3rd party certification groups as an added measure of making sure they didn't overlook something obvious. A tether also introduces risk like entanglement when people are working around shipwrecks and can lead to riskier behavior if people push too far because they can just get winched up if they run out of battery power. A tether sounds like a good idea when you build a POS where the CEO laughs about safety, fires employees who have safety concerns, and complains that status updates are too distracting to deal with  |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:37:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Adding conduit adds air pockets would be my guess. That conduit would have to be rated for 5500PSI, not possible. But why not just route it under the exterior cladding? ETA: Ah, it looks like they eventually did put it there. See Striker's post above. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just read that. The USN used VLF on subs for sometime. But where is the antenna? I was under the impression modern subs are sending up a antenna to communicate, but I don’t know for sure Any amount of water is incredibly hard on radio waves Add salt to the mix and it just gets worse But I won’t claim to be an expert on the subject |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Not seeing the problem, except it doesn't look sexy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kevlar rope. 31k lb tensile is only 1/2” diameter. Yup. Not seeing the problem, except it doesn't look sexy. Aren't the Russian subs they use to go down there tethered? |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:40:04 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else notice that the "only switch" onboard that the CEO points out in several videos looks a lot like these cheap 12V push switches available from Amazon and a lot of other places? Here's a 2 pack for $16 with free Prime shipping. edit: yep, I see several others have pointed this out as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164515/IMG_4355_jpeg-2859699.JPG What’s the issue? It’s got a 4.7 product rating. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:40:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've heard that many times over. If you can't scrub the CO2 out then you can have all the O2 you like, you're going to dead. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have never read that. I know that CO poisoning causes problems with exchanging O2. I've heard that many times over. If you can't scrub the CO2 out then you can have all the O2 you like, you're going to dead. CO binds with hemoglobin 200 times faster than Oxygen does. You can have 21% oxygen, but if the CO is high, you will still have CO poisonong and probably take a chamber ride to clear your system. Not a sub rescue guy, just a retired HazMat Tech/Paramedic. |
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