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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:39:49 AM EST
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was this video posted? https://youtu.be/kn8T_9JkTp0 at the beginning, you can see the deck of the boat thats taking this video. Looks like a piece of junk fishing boat. how come they would let that get so close to their ship? prayers for the missing. 
I hated letting local boats get that close to us while going into/out of port, but with how busy everything else is, the choices are either rip them with the 240b or let it be. Even though we "shouldn't" let any boat get that close, if you actually did anything about it you'd most likely end up in prison. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:43:16 AM EST
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GET YOUR STORY STRAIGHT, ANTI-TRUMPERS......................
Trump said, "That's too bad" to a shouted question from the press. HE DID NOT TWEET THAT STATEMENT BY ITSELF. Later he did tweet about the incident in length. Jesus Christ, you guys are as bad as the MSM trying to twist things up. I guess if you have nothing real to bitch about. You have to just make shit up, huh? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:45:34 AM EST
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Its real nice of the anti-trumpers to come and shit post about Trump in a thread that concerns the loss of military members.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:47:43 AM EST
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Trump is commander in chief! Therefore all casualties are his fault and clearly because he spends too much time on twitter and not enough time of doing the work for the American people!
wake up already, he is a clown who can't be elected. wait, wut? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:48:45 AM EST
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Part of me thinks the name of the damaged ship is funny.
The other part of me is horrified that we somehow can't steer or protect the multi-million/billion dollar ships. Even if you are a complete fucking idiot standing watch, it's not like you can wade ashore if it sinks. You ass is on the line too, even if it's your own shipmates throwing you overboard and claiming you were lost in the accident. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:49:35 AM EST
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Collisions of warships in congested areas are nothing new. There were untold numbers of them during WW2 and I'm sure they were all maneuvering to avoid one another.
I fear the missing are probably in the flooded compartments. If they went in the water after this many hours it doesn't look good either. 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:52:47 AM EST
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There is no "left" on a ship. At each steering station there must be installed a suitable notice on the wheel or lever, or in some other place directly in the helmsman’s line of sight, to indicate the direction in which to turn the wheel or lever for ‘‘right rudder’’ and for ‘‘left rudder.’’ All helms have a left and right sign. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:54:10 AM EST
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46 CFR § 131.850 Rudder orders. At each steering station there must be installed a suitable notice on the wheel or lever, or in some other place directly in the helmsman’s line of sight, to indicate the direction in which to turn the wheel or lever for ‘‘right rudder’’ and for ‘‘left rudder.’’ All helms have a left and right sign. Good to see you post. What happens to you if Chesty Puller becomes a USS? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:54:20 AM EST
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:58:27 AM EST
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He has a boat named after him?  This is hard to grasp, how one grounding and two at sea collisions in a year? But those straits are a sailors nightmare, no room to maneuver ... speed restrictions ... traffic lanes ... so who knows what was going on till the investigation is done, but rules of the road aren't actually law of gross tonnage, some one screwed up the rules of the road and McCain took the worst of it. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:01:39 AM EST
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It's just the way it is.
I hated letting local boats get that close to us while going into/out of port, but with how busy everything else is, the choices are either rip them with the 240b or let it be. Even though we "shouldn't" let any boat get that close, if you actually did anything about it you'd most likely end up in prison. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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was this video posted? https://youtu.be/kn8T_9JkTp0 at the beginning, you can see the deck of the boat thats taking this video. Looks like a piece of junk fishing boat. how come they would let that get so close to their ship? prayers for the missing.
I hated letting local boats get that close to us while going into/out of port, but with how busy everything else is, the choices are either rip them with the 240b or let it be. Even though we "shouldn't" let any boat get that close, if you actually did anything about it you'd most likely end up in prison. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:03:52 AM EST
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Generally speaking, machine-gunning foreign nationals in their own country(outside of some form of recognized conflict)is problematic.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:07:58 AM EST
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Generally speaking, machine-gunning foreign nationals in their own country(outside of some form of recognized conflict)is problematic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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was this video posted? https://youtu.be/kn8T_9JkTp0 at the beginning, you can see the deck of the boat thats taking this video. Looks like a piece of junk fishing boat. how come they would let that get so close to their ship? prayers for the missing.
I hated letting local boats get that close to us while going into/out of port, but with how busy everything else is, the choices are either rip them with the 240b or let it be. Even though we "shouldn't" let any boat get that close, if you actually did anything about it you'd most likely end up in prison. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:23:39 AM EST
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I'm drawing blanks on something. If you are standing at the door to Repair Locker 5 Alpha there is a ladder going down to the next deck. I can't remember what is down there? I'm almost positive its a berthing? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:35:38 AM EST
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On a Flight I there's also aft Officer's Country between 5A and the Torp Mag, and judging by the pics it looks like at least a couple staterooms took a direct hit. After the Navy I worked at BAE Systems on damn near every ship at Norfolk. I can't remember which flight it is but some DDGs have a removable patch from that vestibule to enter shaft alley from and others do not. That patch is held on by like 40 something bolts. For some reason I'm inclined to say that the patch isn't there on the flight I but is there on the flight IIA, I might have that backwards. Some also have a small water tight door to enter shaft alley so you don't have to go down the trunk with the verticle ladder. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:37:07 AM EST
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So it is listing to port like the grandson?
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:40:20 AM EST
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The Strait of Malacca is VERY busy. I conned USS Waddell (DDG-24) through the Strait at night in 1984. At one point I had 30+ radar contacts, all with a CPA less than 500 yards. The Strait is narrow, an there is very little room, or time, to maneuver. You had super tankers, freighters, fishing boats, and canoes all in the Strait. Not everyone followed the Rules of the Road. 
I don't think most people understand how tight that is with everyone moving. I was at the wheel of a medium-sized pleasure craft in the Taiwan Strait/Formosa Strait a few days ago dodging 10+ container ships and dozens of fishing vessels, etc., and that was about all the fun I wanted. Malacca sounds insane. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:52:32 AM EST
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Good to see you post. What happens to you if Chesty Puller becomes a USS? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:55:27 AM EST
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We just did! First ship ever commissioned outside of the United States. You can see pictures of our commissioning on AFN. So do you stay on the ship? I am confused what happens to you because you are a civilian mariner. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:55:42 AM EST
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So it is listing to port like the grandson? Not to sound butthurt, but I sailed on the JSM and still know people on board, so maybe keeping Senator McCain jokes in another thread would be appropriate. Not specifically directed at you but to everyone who is using this as a comedic opportunity. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:57:19 AM EST
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I know we all dislike Senator McCain, but DDG-56 has nothing to do with him and 10 sailors are presumably dead. Not to sound butthurt, but I sailed on the JSM and still know people on board, so maybe keeping Senator McCain jokes in another thread would be appropriate. Not specifically directed at you but to everyone who is using this as a comedic opportunity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So it is listing to port like the grandson? Not to sound butthurt, but I sailed on the JSM and still know people on board, so maybe keeping Senator McCain jokes in another thread would be appropriate. Not specifically directed at you but to everyone who is using this as a comedic opportunity.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:58:21 AM EST
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Collisions of warships in congested areas are nothing new. 
In 30 years, there have been 10 collisions; 60% of them in the last year. 5 US Navy collisions in 2017. 1 in 2016: USS Louisiana 1 in 2014: Amelia Earhart and the Walter S. Diehl 1 in 2004. USS John F. Kennedy 1 in 2000: USS Denver. 1 in 1989: USS Houston |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:03:53 AM EST
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Something is seriously wrong to have this many accidents with so may fatalities in this short of time period.
"The chief of naval operations' broader inquiry will look at all related accidents at sea, that sort of thing. He is going to look at all factors, not just the immediate ones," Mattis told reporters in Amman, Jordan. 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:09:36 AM EST
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JFC
Some of you guys really need to stop using the internet for a while. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:13:20 AM EST
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JFC Some of you guys really need to stop using the internet for a while. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:13:39 AM EST
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It's a rare event except for 2017. http://i.imgur.com/o0nXcG1.png In 30 years, there have been 10 collisions; 60% of them in the last year. 5 US Navy collisions in 2017. 1 in 2016: USS Louisiana 1 in 2014: Amelia Earhart and the Walter S. Diehl 1 in 2004. USS John F. Kennedy 1 in 2000: USS Denver. 1 in 1989: USS Houston And 3 of those, it appears, are subs, which have their own issues which make it much harder to maneuver and avoid shit (like, you know, no radar and can't see) |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:13:41 AM EST
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So do you stay on the ship? I am confused what happens to you because you are a civilian mariner. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:17:04 AM EST
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Go on......................... |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:22:01 AM EST
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I'm guessing you haven't read pages 1 through 6. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:23:49 AM EST
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Yes, we stay right here. Only difference for me is I report to a CO instead of a Master. Just like Frank Cable, Emory S. Land, Mount Whitney, and Ponce. We continue to man Engine and Deck departments. We have a small Supply department to support us. Cool. I guess. Didn't realize USS utilized civilian crews. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:30:07 AM EST
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Yes, we stay right here. Only difference for me is I report to a CO instead of a Master. Just like Frank Cable, Emory S. Land, Mount Whitney, and Ponce. We continue to man Engine and Deck departments. We have a small Supply department to support us. I think his ship was the Big Horn. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:35:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryNone of those ships are moving, however. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:38:29 AM EST
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I'm holding good thoughts for the missing and injured sailors along with their families.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:39:59 AM EST
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You know he will take that thing straight to Berkeley and rain down down havoc at the next antifa rally. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:44:27 AM EST
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God dam another one
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:50:07 AM EST
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It's named after his grandad, Admiral McCain. 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:53:14 AM EST
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What is up with all these US Navy ships hitting shit? 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:21:02 PM EST
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I get that where this happened is very busy. How does that area compare to going through or being just outside a canal. Such as the Suez or Panma canal. I would guess there would be more organization in the waiting area of a canal but still a ton of ships.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:21:59 PM EST
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It's been some time since I was training for Damage Control but it was serious business when I was still serving. Much like every Marine is a rifleman, every Sailor was a damage controlman and fire fighter. Things may have changed considerably since then but the Stark was a nightmare scenario, caught unaware with no watertight conditions set and they saved that ship probably based on sheer human will and training.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:24:50 PM EST
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It's a rare event except for 2017. http://i.imgur.com/o0nXcG1.png In 30 years, there have been 10 collisions; 60% of them in the last year. 5 US Navy collisions in 2017. 1 in 2016: USS Louisiana 1 in 2014: Amelia Earhart and the Walter S. Diehl 1 in 2004. USS John F. Kennedy 1 in 2000: USS Denver. 1 in 1989: USS Houston 1 February 1944. Two 35 thousand ton fast battleships, USS Washington BB 56 collides with USS Indiana BB 58. Washington was so heavily damaged that the bow completely collapsed and was unable to drop anchor. It had to be lashed with 10 inch hawsers to the USS Pecos. Another notable collision in 1956. On 6 May USS Wisconsin a forty five thousand ton fast battleship, arguably the largest battleship in United States history, collided with the destroyer USS Eaton DD510. The Wisconsin was so heavily damaged that a 120 ton 68 foot section of the bow of the uncompleted battle ship USS Kentucky was grafted to it. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:33:42 PM EST
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If this happened in broad daylight I'm sure the Liberian vessel probably has a video of the incident as it happened from the bridge. We'll see.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:43:00 PM EST
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The Navy always tells us what happened, they just haven't yet. We are the most transparent of all the services in our investigations. Investigations take time and people's rights have to be preserved as fact-finding is done. Once it's done, most Navy investigations are released in some form, if not the results from them are publicly explained. We don't cover shit up. The accident investigation is where the lawyers get involved, and people get in trouble. Those results are fully released. The navy do it similarly? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:44:07 PM EST
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Collisions of warships in congested areas are nothing new. There were untold numbers of them during WW2 and I'm sure they were all maneuvering to avoid one another. I fear the missing are probably in the flooded compartments. If they went in the water after this many hours it doesn't look good either. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:48:43 PM EST
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...and painter. Don't forget painter! Most of it is contracted out. In the long run its cheaper that way. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:50:22 PM EST
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For the past 8 years it appeared the Navy prioritized things other than competency. While I can't speak to the specifics of any of these cases, I am genuinely concerned that the ramifications of those misguided priorities are "coming home to roost" https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/794765/navy-secretary-dod-celebrate-diversity-during-lgbt-event/ http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/01/06/mabus-warns-undoing-navy-reforms-farewell-address.html http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/navy-secretary-defends-naming-ships-after-harvey-milk-gabrielle-giffords-n648111 |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:10:41 PM EST
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Does anyone believe those sailors are actually missing? I suspect they're still where they took their last breath. Fair wind and following seas, Shipmates. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:11:40 PM EST
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It's a rare event except for 2017. http://i.imgur.com/o0nXcG1.png In 30 years, there have been 10 collisions; 60% of them in the last year. 5 US Navy collisions in 2017. 1 in 2016: USS Louisiana 1 in 2014: Amelia Earhart and the Walter S. Diehl 1 in 2004. USS John F. Kennedy 1 in 2000: USS Denver. 1 in 1989: USS Houston There are others I am personally aware of not on that list. Maybe those are all Class Alphas. Not to mention Allisions. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:16:01 PM EST
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None of those ships are moving, however. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:19:29 PM EST
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Yes they are, even at anchor they swing around in circles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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None of those ships are moving, however.  Malacca Singapore Strait |
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