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Quoted: That's kind of ironic, man. Sounds like you're saying that no one should pander to those who make an issue out of slavery, Jim Crow, etc., but people should pander to those who make an issue out of Southern generals who succeeded and went to war with the federal government. All of these things happened long ago. You have to realize that for some, including myself to an extent, restoring the names of schools to those of Confederates is nothing but pandering to a niche group and their Southern pride. View Quote It wasn't an issue until someone who moved here made it an issue, I don't expect you to understand it, you can't if you aren't from here. Virginia didn't go to war with the federal government, we left, and they brought war to Virgina. |
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There are threats being made against the school board today, its locked down.
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Quoted: https://www.battlefields.org/learn/biographies/john-singleton-mosby Mosby's most famous raid occurred in March of 1863, inside Union lines at Fairfax County Courthouse, when he captured Brigadier General Edwin H. Stoughton. Mosby found Stoughton asleep in bed. Awakening the General with a slap to the rear, Mosby asked "Do you know Mosby, General?" The General replied "Yes! Have you got the rascal?" "No," said Mosby. "He's got you!" View Quote Mosby is a great example of the proper application of unconventional warfare. Some of his methods are still taught and used today. |
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Quoted: Quoted: While I don't agree with erasing the statues/names for the sake of social justice. As a "Yankee" I never understood the loyalty to getting 2nd place in the civil war. He's not helping the stereotype is he? |
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WOODSTOCK, Va. (AP) — A Virginia school board voted Friday to restore the names of Confederate military leaders to a high school and an elementary school, four years after the names had been removed.
Shenandoah County’s school board voted 5-1 to rename Mountain View High School as Stonewall Jackson High School, and Honey Run Elementary as Ashby Lee Elementary. Friday’s vote reverses a decision by the school board in 2020, a time when school systems across the South were removing Confederate names from schools in response to the Black Lives Matter movement. School board members who voted to restore the Confederate names said the previous board ignored popular sentiment and due process when the names were stripped. Elections in 2023 significantly changed the school board’s makeup. https://fox59.com/news/national-world/ap-us-news/ap-an-education-board-in-virginia-votes-to-restore-confederate-names-to-2-schools/#:~:text=Shenandoah%20County's%20school%20board%20voted,Elementary%20as%20Ashby%20Lee%20Elementary. |
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Quoted: I'll never understand how some Yankees do not realize their Republic lost that war also. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: While I don't agree with erasing the statues/names for the sake of social justice. As a "Yankee" I never understood the loyalty to getting 2nd place in the civil war. I'll never understand how some Yankees do not realize their Republic lost that war also. Exactly. Slavery didn't go away, it was just rebranded and extended to everyone. |
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We moved from Shenandoah county last September to Ohio. We lived there 12 years and I consider it my second home. I love Shenandoah County. The people who live there are some of the best you'll ever meet.
The name change was done during COVID the school board met and voted on the name change during a closed session and no one was allowed to attend because COVID. Shenandoah county had a very large turnout when the county BoS were considering becoming a gun sanctuary county and I was there. That said it is being invaded by shitlibs from NoVA who want to move out to the country and push out the "rednecks" and turn it into Fairfax county west. Stand fast Shenandoah and if it comes down it I'm on my way and I'll bring the troops with me. |
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Quoted: It wasn't an issue until someone who moved here made it an issue, I don't expect you to understand it, you can't if you aren't from here. Virginia didn't go to war with the federal government, we left, and they brought war to Virgina. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: That's kind of ironic, man. Sounds like you're saying that no one should pander to those who make an issue out of slavery, Jim Crow, etc., but people should pander to those who make an issue out of Southern generals who succeeded and went to war with the federal government. All of these things happened long ago. You have to realize that for some, including myself to an extent, restoring the names of schools to those of Confederates is nothing but pandering to a niche group and their Southern pride. It wasn't an issue until someone who moved here made it an issue, I don't expect you to understand it, you can't if you aren't from here. Virginia didn't go to war with the federal government, we left, and they brought war to Virgina. It seems a bit reductionist to state that everyone was OK with Virginia schools being named after Confederate generals until transplants ruined it for everyone, but far be it from me to attempt to change your position. I'll try to stick to my example of Mirabeau Lamar, who, as stated, is who my kid's former middle school is named after. While I'm proud to be a Texan, there's no denying that Lamar was the president of a failed nation and a major asshole to the Cherokees. I of course want my kids to study him, but I couldn't care less about their school being named after him. Your Confederate generals, like Lamar, also fought for a failed nation and were major assholes to black people. If you want your schools named after these guys, I will concede that it's your state and your fight. |
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Quoted: While I don't agree with erasing the statues/names for the sake of social justice. As a "Yankee" I never understood the loyalty to getting 2nd place in the civil war. View Quote Um, yeah, well you should probably face your car North and keep driving until you find yourself surrounded by people who also know nothing about history or honor and make your home there. |
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Quoted: That's like me telling you that you can't understand Texas history or modern Texas social issues because you don't live here. It seems a bit reductionist to state that everyone was OK with Virginia schools being named after Confederate generals until transplants ruined it for everyone, but far be it from me to attempt to change your position. I'll try to stick to my example of Mirabeau Lamar, who, as stated, is who my kid's former middle school is named after. While I'm proud to be a Texan, there's no denying that Lamar was the president of a failed nation and a major asshole to the Cherokees. I of course want my kids to study him, but I couldn't care less about their school being named after him. Your Confederate generals, like Lamar, also fought for a failed nation and were major assholes to black people. If you want your schools named after these guys, I will concede that it's your state and your fight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's kind of ironic, man. Sounds like you're saying that no one should pander to those who make an issue out of slavery, Jim Crow, etc., but people should pander to those who make an issue out of Southern generals who succeeded and went to war with the federal government. All of these things happened long ago. You have to realize that for some, including myself to an extent, restoring the names of schools to those of Confederates is nothing but pandering to a niche group and their Southern pride. It wasn't an issue until someone who moved here made it an issue, I don't expect you to understand it, you can't if you aren't from here. Virginia didn't go to war with the federal government, we left, and they brought war to Virgina. It seems a bit reductionist to state that everyone was OK with Virginia schools being named after Confederate generals until transplants ruined it for everyone, but far be it from me to attempt to change your position. I'll try to stick to my example of Mirabeau Lamar, who, as stated, is who my kid's former middle school is named after. While I'm proud to be a Texan, there's no denying that Lamar was the president of a failed nation and a major asshole to the Cherokees. I of course want my kids to study him, but I couldn't care less about their school being named after him. Your Confederate generals, like Lamar, also fought for a failed nation and were major assholes to black people. If you want your schools named after these guys, I will concede that it's your state and your fight. Is it better then to erase any semblance of history and just whitewash over every single point you've written - failed nations, asshole leaders and such? Because the little Marxists want to do just that. And not for good, but as just one more step toward permanent political power. Or fight to keep history as is, teach it as it was, both good and bad? Which is better - which is healthier for a Republic? |
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Quoted: Because we honor those who die in our wars. Americans who died in our wars. Confederate dead are American dead whether they were on the right or wrong side of the issue. These were American families and brothers against each other and they are interred in American cemeteries. The root word here is "American". They should not be discarded. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: While I don't agree with erasing the statues/names for the sake of social justice. As a "Yankee" I never understood the loyalty to getting 2nd place in the civil war. Because we honor those who die in our wars. Americans who died in our wars. Confederate dead are American dead whether they were on the right or wrong side of the issue. These were American families and brothers against each other and they are interred in American cemeteries. The root word here is "American". They should not be discarded. I'll buy that. |
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Quoted: That's like me telling you that you can't understand Texas history or modern Texas social issues because you don't live here. It seems a bit reductionist to state that everyone was OK with Virginia schools being named after Confederate generals until transplants ruined it for everyone, but far be it from me to attempt to change your position. I'll try to stick to my example of Mirabeau Lamar, who, as stated, is who my kid's former middle school is named after. While I'm proud to be a Texan, there's no denying that Lamar was the president of a failed nation and a major asshole to the Cherokees. I of course want my kids to study him, but I couldn't care less about their school being named after him. Your Confederate generals, like Lamar, also fought for a failed nation and were major assholes to black people. If you want your schools named after these guys, I will concede that it's your state and your fight. View Quote They were also great Statesmen who loved the land they called home, whatever perspective you want to have or feel better about. The vast majority of people never owned slaves and barely had enough to get by here, they just didn't want someone to tell them how to live. |
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Quoted: They are propagandized in school and never think about the issue critically. Often falling into the "every Victor in war was the hero trap" Things like this confuse and anger the northerner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/signal-2024-05-10-11-03-02-762-3210347.jpg View Quote Shelby Foote. |
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Quoted: Here in Fairfax county they spend $500,000 to change a school name and then float a school bond referendum at the next election because they need more funds. View Quote Normal BoE stuff. Here they keep parading the next ESPLOST out and if you don't vote for it, then you hate kids obviously. Then they spend $7,500,000 on a continuing education building that will have less than 30 full-time students a year. But hey, our school superintendent is best friends with the guy who owns the general construction company who built it so we definitely got a good deal AND the same super's son just graduated college with a special degree that the continuing education complex specializes in and he'll run the joint. What a deal! |
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Quoted: Is it better then to erase any semblance of history and just whitewash over every single point you've written - failed nations, asshole leaders and such? Because the little Marxists want to do just that. And not for good, but as just one more step toward permanent political power. Or fight to keep history as is, teach it as it was, both good and bad? Which is better - which is healthier for a Republic? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's kind of ironic, man. Sounds like you're saying that no one should pander to those who make an issue out of slavery, Jim Crow, etc., but people should pander to those who make an issue out of Southern generals who succeeded and went to war with the federal government. All of these things happened long ago. You have to realize that for some, including myself to an extent, restoring the names of schools to those of Confederates is nothing but pandering to a niche group and their Southern pride. It wasn't an issue until someone who moved here made it an issue, I don't expect you to understand it, you can't if you aren't from here. Virginia didn't go to war with the federal government, we left, and they brought war to Virgina. It seems a bit reductionist to state that everyone was OK with Virginia schools being named after Confederate generals until transplants ruined it for everyone, but far be it from me to attempt to change your position. I'll try to stick to my example of Mirabeau Lamar, who, as stated, is who my kid's former middle school is named after. While I'm proud to be a Texan, there's no denying that Lamar was the president of a failed nation and a major asshole to the Cherokees. I of course want my kids to study him, but I couldn't care less about their school being named after him. Your Confederate generals, like Lamar, also fought for a failed nation and were major assholes to black people. If you want your schools named after these guys, I will concede that it's your state and your fight. Is it better then to erase any semblance of history and just whitewash over every single point you've written - failed nations, asshole leaders and such? Because the little Marxists want to do just that. And not for good, but as just one more step toward permanent political power. Or fight to keep history as is, teach it as it was, both good and bad? Which is better - which is healthier for a Republic? It's not that I don't think having a school named as such achieves a purpose. I do; I just don't think it's an educational one. We can talk about the purpose of statues, school names, holidays, and whatnot if you'd like, but I don't believe that the goal of these things is to educate or keep history alive. Books, teachers, parents, the internet...these are the vehicles of education, and when the Marxists fuck with these things I am the first to speak up. I'm not fighting the school name fight, though. |
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Quoted: It's really pretty simple. Having "Stonewall Jackson Elementary" emblazoned on a kid's school doesn't teach them anything, and removing it doesn't erase history. It's not that I don't think having a school named as such achieves a purpose. I do; I just don't think it's an educational one. We can talk about the purpose of statues, school names, holidays, and whatnot if you'd like, but I don't believe that the goal of these things is to educate or keep history alive. Books, teachers, parents, the internet...these are the vehicles of education, and when the Marxists fuck with these things I am the first to speak up. I'm not fighting the school name fight, though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's kind of ironic, man. Sounds like you're saying that no one should pander to those who make an issue out of slavery, Jim Crow, etc., but people should pander to those who make an issue out of Southern generals who succeeded and went to war with the federal government. All of these things happened long ago. You have to realize that for some, including myself to an extent, restoring the names of schools to those of Confederates is nothing but pandering to a niche group and their Southern pride. It wasn't an issue until someone who moved here made it an issue, I don't expect you to understand it, you can't if you aren't from here. Virginia didn't go to war with the federal government, we left, and they brought war to Virgina. It seems a bit reductionist to state that everyone was OK with Virginia schools being named after Confederate generals until transplants ruined it for everyone, but far be it from me to attempt to change your position. I'll try to stick to my example of Mirabeau Lamar, who, as stated, is who my kid's former middle school is named after. While I'm proud to be a Texan, there's no denying that Lamar was the president of a failed nation and a major asshole to the Cherokees. I of course want my kids to study him, but I couldn't care less about their school being named after him. Your Confederate generals, like Lamar, also fought for a failed nation and were major assholes to black people. If you want your schools named after these guys, I will concede that it's your state and your fight. Is it better then to erase any semblance of history and just whitewash over every single point you've written - failed nations, asshole leaders and such? Because the little Marxists want to do just that. And not for good, but as just one more step toward permanent political power. Or fight to keep history as is, teach it as it was, both good and bad? Which is better - which is healthier for a Republic? It's not that I don't think having a school named as such achieves a purpose. I do; I just don't think it's an educational one. We can talk about the purpose of statues, school names, holidays, and whatnot if you'd like, but I don't believe that the goal of these things is to educate or keep history alive. Books, teachers, parents, the internet...these are the vehicles of education, and when the Marxists fuck with these things I am the first to speak up. I'm not fighting the school name fight, though. I hear you. But, this isn't about renaming schools. It's about fighting back. School names is just one battle, a skirmish, even. Why accede on that? We can agree to (slightly) disagree, as they say. |
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1,160 responses to 8,507 surveys sent. Sadly, clearly people do not care enough to respond.
Hope it happens as this revisionist history has to stop. |
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If losing a battle disqualifies a name, then why don't we rename the Alamo?
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Quoted: It wasn't an issue until someone who moved here made it an issue, I don't expect you to understand it, you can't if you aren't from here. Virginia didn't go to war with the federal government, we left, and they brought war to Virgina. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: That's kind of ironic, man. Sounds like you're saying that no one should pander to those who make an issue out of slavery, Jim Crow, etc., but people should pander to those who make an issue out of Southern generals who succeeded and went to war with the federal government. All of these things happened long ago. You have to realize that for some, including myself to an extent, restoring the names of schools to those of Confederates is nothing but pandering to a niche group and their Southern pride. It wasn't an issue until someone who moved here made it an issue, I don't expect you to understand it, you can't if you aren't from here. Virginia didn't go to war with the federal government, we left, and they brought war to Virgina. You want to know what kind of people moved to Shenandoah County who made it an issue? For starters, James Carville (the ragin cajun himself) <- still lives there in the reddest county in Virginia. Katie Couric the one who screwed over the VCDL with doctored video <- she has since moved after her husband dies. and guys like this Attached File |
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And not a damn one of them will talk about the slaves who built their iPhones
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Quoted: Just let the People decide https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/571e21c6160000e90031c921.jpeg?cache=904Ubjb7D0&ops=scalefit_500_noupscale&format=webp View Quote |
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My great-great grandfather was a confederate and Choctaw
He never had any slaves. He'd just had the government and jbt's drive him and his folks out of their home and business in Mississippi all the way to Oklahoma. When the jbt's came back again He figured they'd been pushed about far enough They lost, he was in a union pow camp at the end of the war Of course, there are lots of people who call him a monster for putting up a fight |
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I don't understand why the leftists are always picking on great American military leaders like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. They were following the orders of a democratically-elected government. Those states seceded because voters elected pro-secession politicians to office and to state conventions. Those politicians created and staffed a military, and gave that military orders. It seems like the more successful the military officer was, the more the leftists hate them.
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Quoted: I don't understand why the leftists are always picking on great American military leaders like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. They were following the orders of a democratically-elected government. Those states seceded because voters elected pro-secession politicians to office and to state conventions. Those politicians created and staffed a military, and gave that military orders. It seems like the more successful the military officer was, the more the leftists hate them. View Quote They were doing what they thought was right, but we should be celebrating the generals who fought to preserve the union and end slavery, like Grant. |
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Quoted: You didn’t have to say anything else. That statement speaks volumes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: While I don't agree with erasing the statues/names for the sake of social justice. As a "Yankee" I never understood the loyalty to getting 2nd place in the civil war. You didn’t have to say anything else. That statement speaks volumes. Indeed. |
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Quoted: Good. The Confederate hate was by liberals and that Indian woman from South Carolina. View Quote Quoted: Bunch of DC city folk moved out 66 to Shenandoah and ran for county offices and positions. The locals have slowly voted them back out and are trying to fix what was done. Wife lived in the county for almost 10 years before we were married. Mexicans and Rednecks makeup most of Shenandoah County View Quote Quoted: Because we honor those who die in our wars. Americans who died in our wars. Confederate dead are American dead whether they were on the right or wrong side of the issue. These were American families and brothers against each other and they are interred in American cemeteries. The root word here is "American". They should not be discarded. View Quote |
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Too many good replies to quote,
and I want to quote them all. It's better to restore those previous names... although that county's school PC renames were better than renaming a Springfield, VA H.S. after a non-Virginian, who milked his honorable time fighting for civil rights and racial equality to become a race hustler. The renaming had all the hallmarks of a Marxist historical purge. As a Yankee-born Southerner, fuck Marxists, and their useful idiot anti-Southern Yankees. |
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A better solution is to get rid of all public schools. Problem solved. No one is learning anyways.
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Quoted: They were doing what they thought was right, but we should be celebrating the generals who fought to preserve the union and end slavery, like Grant. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I don't understand why the leftists are always picking on great American military leaders like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. They were following the orders of a democratically-elected government. Those states seceded because voters elected pro-secession politicians to office and to state conventions. Those politicians created and staffed a military, and gave that military orders. It seems like the more successful the military officer was, the more the leftists hate them. They were doing what they thought was right, but we should be celebrating the generals who fought to preserve the union and end slavery, like Grant. The Union ended the federal republic of the Founders. And the Union didn’t go to war to end slavery. Annnd the Union still maintained a genocidal policy against native tribes. Fuck the Union. |
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Quoted: You want to know what kind of people moved to Shenandoah County who made it an issue? For starters, James Carville (the ragin cajun himself) <- still lives there in the reddest county in Virginia. Katie Couric the one who screwed over the VCDL with doctored video <- she has since moved after her husband dies. and guys like this https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/189967/messagefromcoe_jpg-3210603.JPG View Quote Bingo. The place is literally being colonized by prog locusts who move to a place they didn't build to enjoy the benefits while insisting that everyone who has lived their all their lives better bow down and kiss their fucking ring. That's how you get civil wars. |
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