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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:57:16 AM EST
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Well, at least we've conclusively determined that you can't just tell them to "STFU." @Lug1 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The problem is that some people here consider anyone who disagrees with them to be a troll who should be silenced @Lug1 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 7:01:05 AM EST
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Well, at least we've conclusively determined that you can't just tell them to "STFU." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The problem is that some people here consider anyone who disagrees with them to be a troll who should be silenced 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 7:20:55 AM EST
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations. There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 7:31:27 AM EST
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I don’t know why you are looking at moving to another state. You and New York are a match made in heaven. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations. There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 7:35:12 AM EST
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He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations. There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be
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Posted: 10/23/2019 7:39:04 AM EST
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Could you imagine trying to convince the Founding Fathers that the Federal government they created would become so powerful and overbearing that they could tell everyone in the country how much water they could use when they went to the bathroom and took a shower? Then for good measure forcing people to get the medical care the government approved, the government's permission to take most medicine and blackmail all the states into fining you if you weren't strapped to your wagon seat?
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Posted: 10/23/2019 7:41:00 AM EST
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He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations. There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be "Things are too complex to fix,we can get out of this hole if we just keep digging. I've been digging my whole life and it's been fine,you should just be happy digging too" |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 7:43:24 AM EST
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He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY. 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 7:46:30 AM EST
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. We get the government we want. Everyone wants some aspect of the government we have. Maybe not the entirety; liberals want more social programs. Conservatives want more military spending. What we have is a compromise of those competing desires |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 8:03:13 AM EST
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Polite disagreement is fine. Being an obnoxious ass and straffing page after page with bullshit doesn't constitute polite disagreement though. Hypothetically speaking of course. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think of it like pornography. I might not be able to clearly define it but I know it when I see it. It's not possible to write out a clean cut definition. Hypothetically speaking of course. 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 8:13:08 AM EST
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Your goalposts move so much that even carnies think your game is crooked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/23/2019 8:17:50 AM EST
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He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations. There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 8:19:33 AM EST
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He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations. There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be Tennessee and Texas are full. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 8:21:00 AM EST
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You have worked for the government in some capacity I assume. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. We get the government we want. Everyone wants some aspect of the government we have. Maybe not the entirety; liberals want more social programs. Conservatives want more military spending. What we have is a compromise of those competing desires You have worked for the government in some capacity I assume. 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 9:04:28 AM EST
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Tell us again, what level of functional government doesn't require taxes to fund operations. It doesn't matter how small someones tax burden is, they'll still complain that it's too much tax. People expect functional government. That requires funding through taxation Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/23/2019 9:07:33 AM EST
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Could you imagine trying to convince the Founding Fathers that the Federal government they created would become so powerful and overbearing that they could tell everyone in the country how much water they could use when they went to the bathroom and took a shower? Then for good measure forcing people to get the medical care the government approved, the government's permission to take most medicine and blackmail all the states into fining you if you weren't strapped to your wagon seat? |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 9:24:32 AM EST
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No more than 2% of GDP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/23/2019 10:24:27 AM EST
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Ok, the light itself is eleven cents, but it's on for a reason. I'm assuming that you'll want to figure out what that reason is and fix it. You shouldn't have to need a fine to motivate you to maintain your equipment. But somehow in your mind the fact that your equipment has a deficiency, that's the fault of government |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 10:25:39 AM EST
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Somehow government fining you for your faulty equipment is somehow the fault of government. 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 10:37:04 AM EST
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. We get the government we want. Everyone wants some aspect of the government we have. Maybe not the entirety; liberals want more social programs. Conservatives want more military spending. What we have is a compromise of those competing desires |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 10:41:38 AM EST
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Hey everyone need to remember we bow down to the crown now.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 10:46:40 AM EST
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It's not? Do you ever read the stuff you post? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Somehow government fining you for your faulty equipment is somehow the fault of government.
It's not? Do you ever read the stuff you post? Hell arfcom sanctioned people for posting that they stole a candybar when they were 12. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 11:25:29 AM EST
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. We get the government we want. Everyone wants some aspect of the government we have. Maybe not the entirety; liberals want more social programs. Conservatives want more military spending. What we have is a compromise of those competing desires 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 11:50:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A “conservative” that wants even more military spending than we already have is not conservative, just a different type of liberal Only a government employee could think that is a reasonable level of spending. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 11:53:45 AM EST
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Have you ever noticed that in every thread that criticized the site, the same few vocal people are drawn in and post a lot: Madcap72, Undefined, blinded, and a few others. The estimate that “everyone thinks the moderation is bad” might be just a TINY bit over-estimated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, well. Was the cop's life more valuable than the woman's? The Democratic party took the same approach to their leaked emails. But yeah, he was totally just a whistleblower who was exposing hypocrisy and got punished for it,  Same six letters, same number of bodies, one member was banned. That is hypocrisy and a double standard, whether or not he had a history. Look around. When one person thinks the moderation is bad, that person is probably the problem. When everyone thinks the moderation is bad, the moderation is probably the problem. The estimate that “everyone thinks the moderation is bad” might be just a TINY bit over-estimated. Which is bad. 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 11:56:22 AM EST
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Now you can be a regular jackoff like the rest of us.   Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So start a thread called: "We demand a mod WE CAN ELECT FOR OURSELVES - to be reelected every 30 days!" I respectfully decline. 
I did my time.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:43:21 PM EST
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Could you imagine trying to convince the Founding Fathers that the Federal government they created would become so powerful and overbearing that they could tell everyone in the country how much water they could use when they went to the bathroom and took a shower? Then for good measure forcing people to get the medical care the government approved, the government's permission to take most medicine and blackmail all the states into fining you if you weren't strapped to your wagon seat? But let's face reality here. Potable water is a limited resource, and if everyone is flushing five gallons every time they take a leak, we won't be able to support a population of 330,000,000 people. Sure, the market could probably work it out with pricing, but only after prices have risen to the point that people start modifying their own behaviors. Just imagine how they'd feel about RF spectrum, the FCC, and band allocations. Then, looking at the history of radio, ask how else it would have gotten done. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:46:47 PM EST
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I think their minds would be blown so bad by the notion of indoor plumbing that they'd suffer vapor lock and have to be hospitalized. But let's face reality here. Potable water is a limited resource, and if everyone is flushing five gallons every time they take a leak, we won't be able to support a population of 330,000,000 people. Sure, the market could probably work it out with pricing, but only after prices have risen to the point that people start modifying their own behaviors. Just imagine how they'd feel about RF spectrum, the FCC, and band allocations. Then, looking at the history of radio, ask how else it would have gotten done. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:56:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the moderation is biased and dismissive of users' concerns. Which is bad.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 2:27:23 PM EST
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I think their minds would be blown so bad by the notion of indoor plumbing that they'd suffer vapor lock and have to be hospitalized. But let's face reality here. Potable water is a limited resource, and if everyone is flushing five gallons every time they take a leak, we won't be able to support a population of 330,000,000 people. Sure, the market could probably work it out with pricing, but only after prices have risen to the point that people start modifying their own behaviors. Just imagine how they'd feel about RF spectrum, the FCC, and band allocations. Then, looking at the history of radio, ask how else it would have gotten done. The idea they would suffer vapor lock at something a past civilization had over 1,500 years ago is laughable. As for water: the reality here is that neither hydrogen nor oxygen are limited resources and potable water is limited only by the energy you can harness to produce it. That's a market problem and one the free market could and would handle easily if the government got the hell out of the way. As it happens, the US government saw the potential for a way to generate tremendous amounts of energy only, instead of using to make drinking water, they used it to make a weapon (drinking water came later). That's government for you: they often destroy and seldom create. How else would the history of "radio gotten done?" The concepts behind the radio were discovered in the 19th century, the radio in the early 20th century and commercial use was in full swing by the 1920s. We already had federal laws covering this matter (the Radio Act of 1912 and then the Radio Act of 1927). You can make an argument the federal government has a place when it comes to this issue but the FCC was nothing more than an obscene power grab by a administration and Congress hell bent on controlling everything within their power. The "fairness doctrine" wasn't about ensuring you could use a radio for communication without interference. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 3:52:22 PM EST
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Isnt debating taxes with someone who's livelihood depends on taxes, pointless ?
Its like debating tort reform with a lawyer.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:05:51 PM EST
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Isnt debating taxes with someone who's livelihood depends on taxes, pointless ? Its like debating tort reform with a lawyer. Besides, accounting and auditing don't magically happen. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:47:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If arfcom says that advocating or supporting disobedience of the law is sanction worthy, why hasn’t tc556guy been sanctioned for admitting he violated the NY safe act? Hell he even encouraged and defended his law breaking. Is a violation of the safe act a felony? Hell arfcom sanctioned people for posting that they stole a candybar when they were 12. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:52:55 PM EST
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It's not? Do you ever read the stuff you post? Your viewpoint is that the American people should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway. Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard? I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to. I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks. I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:55:15 PM EST
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I do. Your viewpoint is that the American people should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway. Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard? I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to. I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks. I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not? Do you ever read the stuff you post? Your viewpoint is that the American people should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway. Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard? I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to. I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks. I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads. 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:57:55 PM EST
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What part of my posts on that topic did you not read? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:58:09 PM EST
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Posted: 10/23/2019 6:46:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do. Your viewpoint is that the American people should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway. Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard? I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to. I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks. I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads. You're defending a pointless .gov money grab and claiming that a government is not responsible for the laws it passes to boot.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 7:04:39 PM EST
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Taxation would shock them more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could you imagine trying to convince the Founding Fathers that the Federal government they created would become so powerful and overbearing that they could tell everyone in the country how much water they could use when they went to the bathroom and took a shower? Then for good measure forcing people to get the medical care the government approved, the government's permission to take most medicine and blackmail all the states into fining you if you weren't strapped to your wagon seat? -US CONSTITUTION |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 7:11:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's one of the few I've seen willing to legislate himself out of a job. Besides, accounting and auditing don't magically happen. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 9:53:25 PM EST
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"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises" -US CONSTITUTION Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could you imagine trying to convince the Founding Fathers that the Federal government they created would become so powerful and overbearing that they could tell everyone in the country how much water they could use when they went to the bathroom and took a shower? Then for good measure forcing people to get the medical care the government approved, the government's permission to take most medicine and blackmail all the states into fining you if you weren't strapped to your wagon seat? -US CONSTITUTION The shot a bunch of Brits for way less. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 9:54:27 PM EST
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It would be a heavy price. I would pay it gladly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/23/2019 9:55:53 PM EST
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I do. Your viewpoint is that the American people should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway. Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard? I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to. I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks. I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not? Do you ever read the stuff you post? Your viewpoint is that the American people should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway. Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard? I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to. I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks. I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 10:28:15 PM EST
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We don't have vehicle inspections here nor smog testing. Amazingly it hasn't devolved into chaos and carnage on the roads yet. You're defending a pointless .gov money grab and claiming that a government is not responsible for the laws it passes to boot. Our vehicle registration costs are less than $50 a year. That's it. That's all it costs to drive in Ohio for a year for a passenger vehicle or light truck. No annual taxes on vehicles either. It's really nice to have all this dangerous freedom of movement. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 10:43:13 PM EST
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Holy thread derail Batman!
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Posted: 10/24/2019 12:19:03 AM EST
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Seeing as I'm about 50% auditing, 30% valuation and 20% tax. I will willingly pay it too. 
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Posted: 10/24/2019 12:29:22 AM EST
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The amount The shot a bunch of Brits for way less. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/24/2019 12:32:54 AM EST
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THIS. If we actually held government to their enumerated powers (fat chance), we could get by on light tariffs. Or a tiny sales tax on new goods. 
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Posted: 10/24/2019 12:37:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If people added up all the taxes they paid for everything they would revolt. "Okay, you're taking $20k out of my pocket this year? Cool. Here's how I'd like you to allocate it." It'd be hilarious if they actually had to do it. |
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Posted: 10/24/2019 8:38:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ohio doesn't have vehicle inspections. Nor smog testing. We get along just fine. Our vehicle registration costs are less than $50 a year. That's it. That's all it costs to drive in Ohio for a year for a passenger vehicle or light truck. No annual taxes on vehicles either. It's really nice to have all this dangerous freedom of movement. |
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