This.



 

Your narrative includes the extermination camps, the holocaust , medical experiments that were performed on humans, slave labor,  and all the other stuff that  never happened.

Those 13ers appear to be upset that the nobel nazis were crushed.

So all  they did was to enable those who committed the horrors to commit the horrors.

Therefore, they aren't at all responsible for what transpired and their hands are clean as their consciences?

I wonder what units those old monsters shown in the video served in?


Not a dirty, rotten, filthy nazi bastard in the entire crowd.

Him and people like him picked up arms in an attempt to conquer the world.  Shooting at people like my grandfather in the process.  He can tell himself whatever he wants to so he can sleep at night.  Fuck him.

Your stupid if you believe that.

Klaus Barbie... The "Butcher of Leon" worked for the CIA after the war up until the mid to late 1950's.
When the CIA was done with him... They got him and his family out of Europe and settled in South America.
If we did the same it would be called aiding and abetting a war criminal.
A government does it and they call it .... Whatever

I agree with everything you said until the part in red, the part in red gets out of

They are still monsters, and they should be executed regardless of their age.

Can we still bayonet these motherfuckers?

Their comrades in arms butchered 86 men, women and children in an Italian village in place of my grandfather since the village had hidden him.  It will be a cold day in hell before I ever forgive a single person who raised their hand and swore an oath to Adolf Hitler.

Locking women and children in a church and burning them alive. That's some real heroic resistance to the Bolshevik hoards of southern France right there.









ETA: So tell me, if the Communists were the real threat then why did the Germans sign a peace treaty with the Soviets to let them attack France?





 

And in this round of Jeopardy:


WW2 for 100 Alex?



The answer is "30-06"

Q: What round for Nazis?



A: All of them.





 

Oh they knew alright, but after the war you couldn't find a fucking nazi piece of shit  who knew a damn thing about anything; not even "rumors", or who loved Hitler or had willingly joined the nazi party.

Patton did the right thing by forcing  those Germans  who lived adjacent to the death camps, but claimed to know nothing,  to go inside and clean them up  and bury the victims with their own dirty hands.

Yes they are still monsters.

The communists where no better then the Nazis.  You could even say Russia and the Turks gave Hitler a good template to follow(w/ regards to genocide).  If you look back at some of our propaganda we glossed over a lot of evil in the name of expediency as well.  When Germany attacked Russia it's fate was sealed.  But, perhaps had they had a little more success in the east, the west could have secured more of Europe from the communists.

ughhh  wehrmacht does not equal Nazi.  Communism is by far the greatest evil let loose on the world. what the Germans did pales in comparison to what the Commies did / would've done.

There was a cult of personality surrounding Hitler. He made a lot of  German's proud to be Germans again. He had a following of huge proportions in his rise to power, though he was opposed by nearly half the nation who saw through him and knew there might be bad things to come. Once he was powerful enough, he controlled the media, and shaped the minds of the people. They only received information on the news in radio and print that the NAZI party approved and edited. Nothing really negative was allowed, except articles and statements to cause a crisis for the party to solve, or something to deflect the public's attention away from any growing scandals.

The Socialists had taken over the school system by the mid 30s, and had implemented brain washing through the education system, teaching the children who their allies were, and who their enemies were. They pushed academic achievement in sciences and technologies, and engineering, but tamped down on free thinking. Many of these kids that were in the middle schools and high schools would be of age when the fighting started and certainly by the end of the war. The government stressed public service programs with the kids, exercise programs, and " see something , say something"  programs for the betterment of the country. They were prepping these kids to be non thinking , easily ordered robots.

Getting back to the media, they were told constantly that they were under threat of attack by the Russians, who did indeed have plans to conquer all of Europe for communism and resources.

There were reports of attacks on German troops where undeclared war had been launched by their enemies. They were told on radio and print that their friends and neighbors were being killed, and they must fight back. It was under this sort of total control of the mind and media that most of the non SS type, standard Wermacht soldiers went into battle believing. They believed they were in a battle to stop their families from being killed back home, and their nation from being destroyed. A great many of those men never did know of the atrocities or the sheer number of them, and some did know some things, but were still convinced that they were not involved themselves, and the bigger fight was keeping Germany free. They were being manipulated by the NAZI leadership, and the SS groups by misinformation, and only getting to know certain things on a need to know basis, and most of them didn't need to know.

Many found out near the end, or after the war what actually happened, but if you were a soldier in a unit that didn't do any of those things, and the whole war you believed that you were only fighting for the survival of your countrymen, you would distance yourself from the NAZI faithful and and allow yourself to continue to believe what you did, your small part in the war, was for good and not evil.

We had a prison camp just a few miles down the road here, a POW camp for German soldiers and airmen. Most of them wound up working in local businesses if they were trustworthy, and most were, and very hard workers. Many of them did their part to help the families of the GIs here and do their part to help in our war effort. Very few hard core Nazis here, and most of them stayed in the POW camp and weren't allowed out. Though many NAZI soldiers, who were only in the party because you had to be, were reeducated and worked amongst the towns people. Most went home after the war, but a handful stayed. One guy lives just down the road from me. He bought the farm where the POW camp was located after the war, and farmed it until he died a few years ago. I went to school with his two youngest kids.

I got to talk to him a good bit. He went to the same church as us for a while, and we're a town of 4000 at the peak in the late 70s, now only 1200.  He said that he didn't know anything about what was really going on with SS units or the Jews, or anything else until he got over here and was reading our papers, and of course from what the US soldiers told him before he got here. He didn't believe the soldiers, and thought it was propaganda, trying to break him for information. He said that when he started seeing more and more in the papers of what was going on, he began to break down and cry. There was a spirit of darkness, a cloud, that had been over him , a euphoric feeling of doing what was right in his mind to defend his nation from the Russians, and later the Americans. But he did say that he felt like a demonic spirit had left his body, and that over the years, talking with many others, it was the same way for them.

We talked a lot about WWII. My dad ran a furniture store, and my Grandfather was a WWI veteran, and all the military guys from WWI and WWII would come in and sit and talk. He came in also and talked with his former enemies.

He was very young for a fighter pilot, stationed somewhere East for a few months, and then moved back to fight our guys in the last stages from D Day forward. He was shot down by the 8th Air force over a part of France we'd taken already, and was captured.

One of the guys that worked for my dad was a B24 Liberator pilot, in the 8th Air Force , that operated in the same area as Mr Hedlund's fighter squadron. They had a lot of good talks. I always enjoyed listening to those guys.

The thing is, go back and read what I wrote about how the party took power and control all information, and of course, the schools. There was also the same sort of thing going on then to political opposition , using blackmail, threats, spying on domestic citizens, and using government regulations , taxes etc to put people out of business or make them comply. Law suits against innocents on trumped up charges, political intervention in the courts.

So many of the same things that are happening right now in this country , the cult of personality and religious worship of Obama. The same playbook is being used, and they have just made major power plays.

What I'm saying is, not every soldier or airman really knew what was happening, and in fact most common soldiers had no idea other than rumors,  and indeed they were fighting for the survival of their country from what they believed were evil empires.

FWIW, I hate real NAZIs, and those that were involved for the cause and the hatred and cleansing, and the acts of terror and evil that they had no remorse for, or believed they were doing great work.

I hate the NAZIs of today that pin their love of the system and Hitler on much of his doctrine of racial superiority through elimination of a race even worse, since they would do the same things if ordered or given the chance, and they have the 20/20 hindsight of history.

How many people today think that most soldiers participated in massacres during Vietnam?

I'm only aware of 1 massacre during the entire VN conflict (My-lei) But I'm told by many, many, many people that there were dozens, if not hundreds of massacres. They believe it whole heartedly and won't back down from proclaiming that most VN vets are baby killers.

Belief is a very interesting thing because at least during war, every nation is guilty of some sort of crime against humanity, but after the war gets the chance to write the books however they see fit. Germany didn't have that choice, Japan, Russia, the allies all had the chance to do that. Heck, today in Italy they are re-writing history saying that they were on the allies side the entire duration of the war, except since Musolinni took them over they had to do what he said for a short time till Italian partisans freed the country from the Nazis and Musolini (Yes, this is what they're being taught today).

40 years from now, there's every real possibility that people will look back on Afghanistan & Iran and say it was nothing more than a Western Crusade against the poor Muslims for their oil. Quite a few people believe that already, just gotta add in some stuff about torture and ethnic cleansing and they'll have it all.


Additionally, there's rightful hatred towards the Nazis - They did plenty of vile, evil things before and during the war. However, our own government (And many people) are doing evil, vile things today that are on-par with the Nazis (Does Kermit Gosnel ring a bell?) and are supported by a large percentage of the US population. Sure, some trials see the light of day but a lot of it goes unreported or un-prosecuted because of the rampant support for such things. How often do we read here on AR15 from people who revile religion that those who practice on religion or another should be imprisoned (And alot of those guys if they would be honest think that religious individuals should be killed). That same mindset that helped the Nazis kill 6m-8m is very much alive today and is in plenty of people here in the US. The difference is, they're just not in power on a state, federal and local level.....yet.

Some folks lie to themselves often enough... they believe their own story

sure looks like



 

I don't give a flying @#%@# what excuses he's offering.

I work for an Austrian company, and regret every minute of it. Every damn minute. And I'm planning as early an exit as I can.

The sad thing is, the mentality has not changed AT ALL.   The "Master Race" still thinks they are the "Master Race"  

You are delusional. My grandfather fought in the European theater against these animals, and was wounded by them. When I was younger I spoke with a woman who has the numbers tattooed onto her skin. Yet another 13'er spouting nonsense.

he said the majority here, on this board would have done the same thing.

Most of the people on this board see thru the left wing propaganda and bullshit.

Everyone born after then that stayed in Germany supported and participated in a Nazi government that was actively seeking domination of Europe and rounding up Jews and undesirables on the streets. They were not fucking innocent. They voted for, enabled, and participated in that regime even if in a small way...some in a big way.





Guess when my Grandparents left Germany? After the Nazis came to power.





They knew their country was going in a dangerous and bad direction, and they weren't Jews.



My Grandfather and his brother both signed up for military service after Pearl Harbor with the intention of fighting their former country, that's how strongly they felt what was happening was wrong. If they could be aware of it, every German should have been aware of it.



Fuck the German nation that fought WWII. They all should have died, every fucking one of them.





 

You can still buy a Mengele tractor.

Goodbye Moby  > click <

But yet the Japs some how get a pass. They were every bit as bad as the Nazi's.

He does.

Posts like this " my baby di'nt do nuffin" and " that be wasist" are his main contributions to GD.

You said anyone born before 1934, not every German collaborated, many moved away when they saw the writing on the wall, many even resisted.  Yes, fuck every collaborator with a rusty spoon, even those who turned a blind eye, but to say "every" German born before 1934, that is an ignorant statement and disrespectful to those Germans who opposed and payed the ultimate sacrifice  resisting the Nazi's.

I don't have much outrage for those old men, they are just being human.

I'm more concerned with what is happening today in our country, many people in our government today violate our rights, but they have similar excuses.

They say they aren't trying to violate our rights, they just want to protect us from drugs, criminals, and terrorists.

That's the point of this thread.

The exact excuses and rationalizations for totalitarianism changes, but the destination is the same.

I didn't know that.....but I'm not surprised.

89.9% of the germans voted for merging the Chancellor and President positions to support Hitler's assumption of the President's role in 1934.  Considering the largest margin of victory for a US President was 61% against Barry Goldwater, that's a pretty damning piece of evidence against the German people.z

Nice family-they even kept sending Little Joe his allowance in Argentina.

You work for Glock?

I didn't say "Every", you did.





Did I really need to spell out that "Germans" did not include those who fled or resisted and meant those who stayed in country and played along?





FFS....you have to be really fucking specific when everyone's got their nit picks out.





 

13/88, my herp is called derp!



 

And do you really think that the election wasn't rigged ?

Chicago messiah and the Soros machine has nothing on what they were doing in the election process.

Further, one person stated that so many of us can see exactly what is going on with the left.

That is true, but, we still have a free media where opposition to the party is available to the masses where we can get the other side.

In Germany in the build up to total power, and the war, there were no alternative sources of news or information, save for a few underground type pamphlet producers who risked jail and death, and an occasional pirate radio station. Nothing that the masses could easily see. Every bit of info they got was from the official NAZI propaganda machine. Movies were all propaganda based, or with heavy and open messages. Before and after movies you got reel to reel news, just like in the states, and all of it was made with the watchful eye and hands of the NAZI party, even cartoons for both adults and kids.

Most of the people knew nothing else.

"There were no innocent Germans born before 1934, not one."  Those are your words.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?  You took the time to emphasize "not one" as in all inclusive as in everyone.

That guy can go fuck himself and eat a dick on his way there.

Is the holocaust real or not?





 

I don't think they knew everything, but they had to have heard a whisper or two about trains of cattle cars filled with humans.

I agree.

I still want to see evidence of a extermination camp, There were typhus outbreaks and large numbers of prisoners died as a result because of a lice problem in the camps.  I have seen the same pictures of emaciated prisoners but no evidence , orders, or anything confirming a plan to exterminate people. There were a lot more than just jews in those camps. Did you know  Auschwitz I was a military barracks used as a prison camp, had a swimming pool and theater where prisoners put on plays?

The prisoners were bald because their hair was shaved off, their clothes were taken and they were given a uniform on entry to the camp. The gas chambers were used to delouse the beds and prisoners clothing, that's what Zyklon  B was made for. cyanide -based pesticide. It was also used in the barracks buildings themselves.

We had the same problems with our own prison camps holding millions of germans after the war, same typhus outbreaks and large numbers of prisoners dead.