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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:29:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Phil? No JIM |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:30:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryI was thinking the Lahti, but this would work too, as I think they use the same cartridge. The point being, if it’s something that sees me as dinner, I think it’s pretty much impossible to kill it too much. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:35:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An Official Red Ryder carbine action 200 shot range model air rifle With a compass in the stock and a thing that tells time? |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:35:14 PM EST
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Here is what the ADF&G has to say about cartridge selection.
https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms  eta: An avid hunter of Admiralty Island brown bear (he lived to be 95) once told me that there is a difference between killing a bear and stopping it. To stop it, you need to break a shoulder because that's where its strength and speed reside. Killing a bear can take time, because sometimes the bear doesn't yet know that you have killed it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:40:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No JIM Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Phil? No JIM That makes two experienced guides who like the 505. That’s like, a clue or something. Local guy used to do Garands in 458. That would be slick, assuming they work. He’s dead now. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:49:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That makes two experienced guides who like the 505. That’s like, a clue or something. Local guy used to do Garands in 458. That would be slick, assuming they work. He’s dead now. I'm not surprised, it speaks volumes to who has e(I was backing him and after his hit the bear started to haul ass but my rum stopped it cold) after that he decided he should use his rum in the future... |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:56:16 PM EST
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Search is a thing. It's not like we haven't done this in the last 20 years.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 4:12:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A .308 should do just fine. It’s a Bear, not a Cape Buffalo. A single.308 should have no problem killing one, and a mag dump of 5+ rounds should drop any bear on Earth. It’s not the best, but I would figure adequate. I would be curious what a 5.56 would do. A string of fire, I would assume, would kill a bear just fine as well. Personally, my Beretta 1301 with slugs would be my choice in bear country. Light weight, fast, easy to put a lot of slugs down range. There was a news story about a guy hiking in Alaska about 8-9 years ago I think that put down a charging bear with a 5.45x39 AK74. 5.56 should be fine if you get enough rounds on target. I think he fired somewhere around 10-12 rounds IIRC. Now I'm not saying its ideal, but it would probably work. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 4:19:23 PM EST
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I’ve shot a 400 pound bear and I wouldn’t want to shoot him again with anything 22 caliber.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 4:29:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would want bigger than 308 against a big brownie...especially in a spitting distance alder patch..A good friend who spent most of his adult life guiding kodiak brown bear hunts on Kodiak Island has tried a pile of cartridges for a one shot point blank stop a big bear in its tracks..his choice......505 Gibbs... Agree. Imo You want something that's going to punch through bone if need be and drive deep make it feel like it was just hit by a big truck. Break a shoulder from 5 feet away and turn it. something with around 4000 lbs or more muzzle energy like a 338 or 300 ultra 4000 lbs not 2500 lbs . I looked up 505 Gibbs 6000 lbs I bet thar kicks btw If you have ever been close to a 700 or 800 lb brown bear . You wouldn't want a 5.56 or 308 if you had an opportunity to choose beforehand. Slip one in its heart and lungs it would die eventually. Might find it and it would make a great story looking for it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 4:36:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got a .416 rem mag that was put together for a brown bear guide in alaska. But it is a bolt gun. I am very highly confident the fast .400 grain bullets would smash up stuff. But, it's a bolt gun. Loaded down it is my go-to gun. But it will definitely fix problems with elephant bullets. You really think a .308 is perfectly adequate for brown bear? I have no idea. I just like to err on the side of caution. It's why I bought the .416 rem. Outside of Kodiak an 8" 300BLK is superior to a cannon for animal defense. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 4:37:05 PM EST
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700lb black bear in MN had 36 round in it and 1 arrow before dying.
 TRUTH ABOUT 10MM & BEARS |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 4:43:26 PM EST
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45 Raptor......pretty much a 450 Marlin AR10
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Posted: 7/30/2022 4:52:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Defensive use, meaning something easy to manipulate but still packs enough punch to put down a big brown, .458 SOCOM/.450BM/.350 Legend/12GA. Any of those with a decent projectile would put serious hurt on any bear while being lightweight and easy to get on target quickly. A .308-size AR would work well too, if set up correctly. .308/.375 Raptor/.338 Federal/etc. would do just fine. The guys posting semi auto .300/.338 Magnums and such... sure, for hunting while stationary. I'd much rather pack my lightweight .458 SOCOM. .375 Raptor or .375 SOCOM should work nicely. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 4:55:41 PM EST
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G19. If your last name is Dickens.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 5:22:24 PM EST
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308 loaded with 220 grain round nose. You can get those up to about 2400 feet per second and change in a 308. That should be plenty to drill a good sized hole through several feet of bear, and light enough recoil you could stay on target somewhat reasonably while mag dumping. 458 SOCOM with them Barnes TTSX would do the same deal.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 5:24:40 PM EST
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But honestly a shorty semiauto shotgun is probably the sauce.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 5:31:09 PM EST
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I built my SBS Tac13 to run the Brenneke black magic. That being said, I'd like to build a Garand in .338-06, but it wouldn't be the most fun thing to carry around hunting. Maybe a short one?
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Posted: 7/30/2022 5:51:18 PM EST
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458 Socom does a good job on NC Black bears... some of them get pretty big.. I have been really happy with mine!
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:01:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a news story about a guy hiking in Alaska about 8-9 years ago I think that put down a charging bear with a 5.45x39 AK74. 5.56 should be fine if you get enough rounds on target. I think he fired somewhere around 10-12 rounds IIRC. Now I'm not saying its ideal, but it would probably work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A .308 should do just fine. It’s a Bear, not a Cape Buffalo. A single.308 should have no problem killing one, and a mag dump of 5+ rounds should drop any bear on Earth. It’s not the best, but I would figure adequate. I would be curious what a 5.56 would do. A string of fire, I would assume, would kill a bear just fine as well. Personally, my Beretta 1301 with slugs would be my choice in bear country. Light weight, fast, easy to put a lot of slugs down range. There was a news story about a guy hiking in Alaska about 8-9 years ago I think that put down a charging bear with a 5.45x39 AK74. 5.56 should be fine if you get enough rounds on target. I think he fired somewhere around 10-12 rounds IIRC. Now I'm not saying its ideal, but it would probably work. I remember that story. I have a semi auto Remington 7400 in 30-06. With recoil, I could probably only get 3 aimed shots off in the span of time I could put 12 or so out of an AR. Probably just 2-3 slugs out of the 1301. (Say 3-4 seconds or so to shoulder and fire.) |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:17:43 PM EST
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A Browning BAR is exactly what you are looking for. I have no idea if a complete list of calibers that they were chambered in is out there but it's a big list. The 338 Win Mag is the biggest caliber I see commonly and is the route I would go. Lots of versatility with the 338. Apparently some covert them to 458 Win Mag and 416 Taylor which is enough horsepower for anyone.
https://revivaler.com/browning-bar-in-416-taylor-or-458-winchester-magnum/ |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:21:39 PM EST
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Go get an old Remingon Model 8/81 in 35 Remington
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:25:19 PM EST
[#23]
12 ga. with slugs.
10mm for the handgun. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:26:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d rather be able to put a lot of decent rounds on target quickly if your talking about self defense from bears and not hunting. Give me some decently hot .308 in a 20rd mag from a 16” AR10 with a decent quick acquisition optic. 308 is fine with good ammo. Plus the recoil is manageable enough for follow up shots. Buffalo bore is usually good for high quality ammo for hunting or otherwise. Buffalo Bore supercharged 308 |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:35:02 PM EST
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You see what this is right here? This is a man’s rifle. These motherfuckers have slotted everything from floppies to elephants to communists hell bent on destroying everything the baby Jesus holds near and dear in his sweet, little, pudgy fingers. This motherfucker will either make a man out of you or make you realize you ain’t a man. The sheer sight of this pig gives women lady boners, makes their panties burst into flames and their nipples harder than a pimps dick at a high school graduation. You torch this bitch off and God almighty takes notice. Turning cover into concealment? Shit. This Belgian beast makes a ‘79 Cadillac seem as thin as a Chinese lantern. You can squeal about your AR all you want, but the hot bitches want a man’s man and not some Mattel toy totin’ pussy boy.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:46:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $3k BIN seems quite reasonable. Yeah, it does..... You see, this is why I should stay away from this site, now I actually want to buy one. That one. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:48:28 PM EST
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.358 Win
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:49:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Browning BAR in .338 WM. Thread/ |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:52:21 PM EST
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Saiga with a drum mag full of 3" magnum slugs.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:53:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For bear defense, unless the bear is attacking someone else, anything over 100yds and you're going to have some explaining to do. 50yds to 100yds depend on who's writing the report. Or just keep a bear tag so you don’t have to notify after a DLP shoot. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:54:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Likely a Barrett 338lm, most reliable S/A rifle you will find..RND did build some 300 rum semi autos, they were supposed to be bad ass, but they have shut down as far as I can tell.. this is an RND 300Rum.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/404934/Screen_Shot_2022-07-30_at_11_54_01_AM_pn-2470785.JPG Most likely you would be better off building a nice bolt action rifle and practice on it.. My hunting rifle, Tenacity action, MPA chassis, bartlein barrel chambered in 300rum.. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/404934/Screen_Shot_2022-02-26_at_8_55_21_AM_png-2470790.JPG That thing is so fucking sexy. (Your gun) |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:58:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thread/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Browning BAR in .338 WM. Thread/ I'd have to have a lot of rounds through one to trust it. They're known to be finicky. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 6:58:44 PM EST
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A Shuff’s 16.1” Mini-G in .35 Whelen.
Tim builds them with Criterion M1-profile barrels in .35W, and they can run either the 5-rd “hunting” clips or the 8-rd GI clips. Several of his Alaskan clients use them as bear defense carbines or when hunting them and moose in thick timber or brushy areas. Here’s what one of his Anchorage-based clients said: Tim Shufflin of Shuff's Parkerizing returned my completed M1 Garand Mini G chambered in .35 Whelen to me this week. The 24" barrel was shortened to 16" and rebored to .35 Whelen. He milled out the ridges in the receiver legs so that a full 8-round Enbloc clip of .35 Whelen ammo could be used (a special request from me -- and the first time that he had done so). The rifle was re parkerized and resides in a new Boyd's walnut stock. Tim installed the Ultimak scout rail in place of the front handguard. I installed a Hi-Lux 2-7x32mm extended eye relief scope on see through rings. This new Mini G will serve as a brush gun up here in the Last Frontier. 8 rounds of .35 Whelen in Hornady Superformance Ammunition with a 200gr bullet traveling at 2920 fps will be bear-worthy for Alaska. Link here to the above: https://www.gulfcoastgunforum.com/threads/shuffs-parkerizing-mini-g-in-35-whelen.25256/ |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:01:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You see what this is right here? This is a man’s rifle. These motherfuckers have slotted everything from floppies to elephants to communists hell bent on destroying everything the baby Jesus holds near and dear in his sweet, little, pudgy fingers. This motherfucker will either make a man out of you or make you realize you ain’t a man. The sheer sight of this pig gives women lady boners, makes their panties burst into flames and their nipples harder than a pimps dick at a high school graduation. You torch this bitch off and God almighty takes notice. Turning cover into concealment? Shit. This Belgian beast makes a ‘79 Cadillac seem as thin as a Chinese lantern. You can squeal about your AR all you want, but the hot bitches want a man’s man and not some Mattel toy totin’ pussy boy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/31823/48D87EF5-1758-45B5-8F8A-A99800C27993-1701914.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:03:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You see what this is right here? This is a man’s rifle. These motherfuckers have slotted everything from floppies to elephants to communists hell bent on destroying everything the baby Jesus holds near and dear in his sweet, little, pudgy fingers. This motherfucker will either make a man out of you or make you realize you ain’t a man. The sheer sight of this pig gives women lady boners, makes their panties burst into flames and their nipples harder than a pimps dick at a high school graduation. You torch this bitch off and God almighty takes notice. Turning cover into concealment? Shit. This Belgian beast makes a ‘79 Cadillac seem as thin as a Chinese lantern. You can squeal about your AR all you want, but the hot bitches want a man’s man and not some Mattel toy totin’ pussy boy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/31823/48D87EF5-1758-45B5-8F8A-A99800C27993-1701914.jpg That sounds pretty convincing. Very convincing. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:06:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryIs that a FAL in .358 Win? |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:10:03 PM EST
[#37]
 Bolt action 50bmg. Go big or go home
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:13:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 458 SOCOM Something in 30-06 12 Ga shotgun with Berneke slugs. Solids. Barnes used to make solids in .458 with a tungsten core. ETA: Barnes no longer makes the Dangerous Game Solids….guess they went the way of the banded solids, thanks to AFT hysteria |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:28:09 PM EST
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Either a Browning BAR or Benelli R1 in .338WM or .300WM. I used to have the Benelli in .338. Never hunted bear though, it was a "just because" gun. It was nice and lightweight and shot plenty well. Recoil was very manageable. I only sold it because it didn't do anything my .375 Ruger couldn't do better.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 7:41:46 PM EST
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Sauer 303 in 9.3x62
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:26:39 PM EST
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Quoted: 45 Raptor......pretty much a 450 Marlin AR10 .450 Marlin AR10s are a thing, surprisingly enough. Quoted: I built my SBS Tac13 to run the Brenneke black magic. That being said, I'd like to build a Garand in .338-06, but it wouldn't be the most fun thing to carry around hunting. Maybe a short one? What was involved with that? That corner is like 8 inches wide, he might be fine.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:29:15 PM EST
[#42]
Some sort of semi auto 12 gauge with slugs.
Then maybe a semi auto .450 Bushmaster dissipator type AR? |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:30:18 PM EST
[#43]
AR-10 in .450 Marlin.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:34:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A .308 should do just fine. It’s a Bear, not a Cape Buffalo. A single.308 should have no problem killing one, and a mag dump of 5+ rounds should drop any bear on Earth. It’s not the best, but I would figure adequate. I would be curious what a 5.56 would do. A string of fire, I would assume, would kill a bear just fine as well. Personally, my Beretta 1301 with slugs would be my choice in bear country. Light weight, fast, easy to put a lot of slugs down range. This 100%. Based on all the animals poached in Africa with AKs, I am pretty confident on taking on anything there as well with an AR10 and heavy bullets. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:38:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that a FAL in .358 Win? Affirmative. IIRC, DSA used to sell barrels and rifles in the caliber, before they started sucking. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:40:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Solids. Barnes used to make solids in .458 with a tungsten core. ETA: Barnes no longer makes the Dangerous Game Solids….guess they went the way of the banded solids, thanks to AFT hysteria Barnes still makes and you can still buy banded solids long as they are .366" or bigger.. https://www.barnesbullets.com/product/banded-solids/ |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:42:41 PM EST
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:44:45 PM EST
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35 Whelen is also a step up from the plain 30-06
Lots of easy conversion for the Rem 742/7400 used to exist. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:45:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You see what this is right here? This is a man’s rifle. These motherfuckers have slotted everything from floppies to elephants to communists hell bent on destroying everything the baby Jesus holds near and dear in his sweet, little, pudgy fingers. This motherfucker will either make a man out of you or make you realize you ain’t a man. The sheer sight of this pig gives women lady boners, makes their panties burst into flames and their nipples harder than a pimps dick at a high school graduation. You torch this bitch off and God almighty takes notice. Turning cover into concealment? Shit. This Belgian beast makes a ‘79 Cadillac seem as thin as a Chinese lantern. You can squeal about your AR all you want, but the hot bitches want a man’s man and not some Mattel toy totin’ pussy boy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/31823/48D87EF5-1758-45B5-8F8A-A99800C27993-1701914.jpg There are more reliable platforms |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 8:45:47 PM EST
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My mind went blank reading semi auto for large bears. So plasma rifle in the 40 watt range!
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