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Posted: 11/5/2012 6:55:36 AM EDT
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Shot placement trumps caliber. Every time. 
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:09:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Ian Flemming was not a gun guy. He chose a small easily concealed pistol. Later with some outside input he upgraded Bonds pistol. This is the correct answer. We demand a Box o' Truth test of the effectiveness of the PPK against bald scarred men with white cats! |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:10:44 AM EDT
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ppk is not that wimpy of a carry weapon. He carried a .32acp. How is that not weak? Perhaps you should ask Gerald Bull............ Oh, wait........ ONE cold and gray March evening in 1990 as Gerald Bull arrived at his suburban Brussels, Belgium, apartment, a man stepped out from the shadows and snapped off three silenced shots into Bull's back.
The assassin then gave his victim the coup de grace with two more .32 caliber slugs to the head and vanished into the night....... Not impressive against milk jugs full of water, but SAVAK or Mossad apparently found it adequate. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:22:30 AM EDT
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ppk is not that wimpy of a carry weapon. He carried a .32acp. How is that not weak? Perhaps you should ask Gerald Bull............ Oh, wait........ ONE cold and gray March evening in 1990 as Gerald Bull arrived at his suburban Brussels, Belgium, apartment, a man stepped out from the shadows and snapped off three silenced shots into Bull's back.
The assassin then gave his victim the coup de grace with two more .32 caliber slugs to the head and vanished into the night....... Not impressive against milk jugs full of water, but SAVAK or Mossad apparently found it adequate. Shooting an unsuspecting man in the back and then in the head is not really a test of a handgun's "effectiveness". If that guy had a real pistol and was shooting back at you, that .32 ACP will suddenly seem awfully small. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:24:54 AM EDT
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ppk is not that wimpy of a carry weapon. He carried a .32acp. How is that not weak? Perhaps you should ask Gerald Bull............ Oh, wait........ ONE cold and gray March evening in 1990 as Gerald Bull arrived at his suburban Brussels, Belgium, apartment, a man stepped out from the shadows and snapped off three silenced shots into Bull's back.
The assassin then gave his victim the coup de grace with two more .32 caliber slugs to the head and vanished into the night....... Not impressive against milk jugs full of water, but SAVAK or Mossad apparently found it adequate. Shooting an unsuspecting man in the back and then in the head is not really a test of a handgun's "effectiveness". If that guy had a real pistol and was shooting back at you, that .32 ACP will suddenly seem awfully small. If the guy had a rifle? What if he had a tank? |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:26:27 AM EDT
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Because if you are wearing a tailored suit, you need something small so it doesn't ruin the lines. This. Concealment when wearing the extremely high fashion Mr. Bond was always parading around in isn't exactly easy. Especially if you face the possibility of taking your coat off. Proper tailoring and good carry gear can ameliorate this to some extent...but if you're wearing a Canali suit that's been tailored without a gun in mind it's going to be difficult to conceal a full-sized handgun underneath it without printing. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:27:07 AM EDT
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1. He's British
2. Shot placement counts for more. 3. He's British 4. He had other very cool toys for force multipliers. 5. He's British. 6. Concealability with the round count available at the time. 7. He's British.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:32:48 AM EDT
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In Europe, especially 30-40 years ago, the .32 and .380ACP were considered adequate self defense cartridges. 9mm was the powerhouse. Bingo. I have a former German police Walther PP. For them, 9mm is a big-bore upgrade. Our history is largely dominated by people using big guns carried in the open, or at least the history we talk about. In truth, a lot of concealed carry happened which is why there's such a thing as chopped down Colts and the like from the old west days. In European capitals they didn't have many people walking around with a .45 Colt strapped to their leg. Smaller, lighter, and easier to conceal were the rule of the day. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:35:33 AM EDT
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 It has a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window...HA! I just watched Dr. No last night and almost fell off my chair when the "armorer" said that. 
...when compared to a .25, it does. It's relative. Today we have weapons like the Ruger LCP that are thinner, lighter, and more powerful than either of Mr. Bond's options. If someone tells me they can't conceal a Ruger LCP, I'm going to have to assume they're a nudist. I have an LCP with a laser for those times when nothing larger will do. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:38:28 AM EDT
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Not impressive against milk jugs full of water, but SAVAK or Mossad apparently found it adequate. Assassination and murder are not really the same thing as self defense. I could murder someone with my NAA .22 revolver easily. Doing the same while they're shooting back? Not so easy. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:41:00 AM EDT
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he was packing bigger equipment elsewhere
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:45:59 AM EDT
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he was packing bigger equipment elsewhere ... so to speak.... |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:46:05 AM EDT
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ppk is not that wimpy of a carry weapon. He carried a .32acp. How is that not weak? Perhaps you should ask Gerald Bull............ Oh, wait........ ONE cold and gray March evening in 1990 as Gerald Bull arrived at his suburban Brussels, Belgium, apartment, a man stepped out from the shadows and snapped off three silenced shots into Bull's back.
The assassin then gave his victim the coup de grace with two more .32 caliber slugs to the head and vanished into the night....... Not impressive against milk jugs full of water, but SAVAK or Mossad apparently found it adequate. Shooting an unsuspecting man in the back and then in the head is not really a test of a handgun's "effectiveness". If that guy had a real pistol and was shooting back at you, that .32 ACP will suddenly seem awfully small. In that scenario my P220 would seem inadequate. To put things in perspective, check out this . Go to the third page and read the paragraph just under the pic of the money. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:47:54 AM EDT
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It worked well on Professor Dent.. even in the unedited version where Bond just keeps firing the whole magazine into his back.
Found this at Wiki: The noted violence of Dr. No, which also included Bond shooting Dent in cold blood, caused producers to make adaptations in order to get an "A" rating – allowing minors to enter accompanied by an adult – from the British Board of Film Classification.[55][56]
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:49:34 AM EDT
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I can't believe no Bond fan has mentioned Major Boothroyd yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU
Ian Fleming carried a .25 Browning during his time as with the Naval Intelligience which explains why he went with the Beretta 418. Then Boothroyd wrote him a letter criticising it and recommending the Walther. In the book Bond's Beretta got caught in his soft Chamois leather holster. Personally, I'd love to see him with a newer Walther. The PPQ or P99 would fit perfectly. Since he's a movie character, he doesnt need to worry about the gun bulging because he'd just leave out of the holster between shooting scenes. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:50:20 AM EDT
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It was likely considered a pretty good weapon in 1958. This |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:51:00 AM EDT
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Well, I wouldn't mind having one anyway...just because.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:57:22 AM EDT
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Die Another Day was on last night and I watched an hour of it.
He had a Walther P99 in that one. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:02:28 AM EDT
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Bond's license to kill placed him squarely in the category of assassin, rather than gunfighter, which was reflected in a firearm intended to descretely dispatch those he targeted for liquidation.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:03:42 AM EDT
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We always here the saying it's shot placement that counts right? Well a 007 dont miss so he could prolly get away with a .22lr. As stated earlier, he started off with a Beretta in .25 ACP. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:05:58 AM EDT
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Because if you are wearing a tailored suit, you need something small so it doesn't ruin the lines. There's no logical reason for him to carry that gun still in 2012. It's absolutely ridiculous. 
Seriously though the only reason he carries it is for tradition. I just think it's dumb that they finally upgraded him to the P99 and then they downgraded him back to the PPK.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:07:29 AM EDT
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His car gun was a .45 revolver. Yup, in a few of the Bond books there is mention of a larger caliber hand gun hidden in a secret compartment in his auto for use when the little concealed carry gun will not get the job done. First mention of a .44 Mag is made in 1981's "License Renewed" Novel. If i remember correctly he has and uses a S&W .44 Mag that is hidden in a secret compartment in his new SAAB 900 secret squirrel agent car.  (New firearm/new car/new author - John Gardner).
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:14:19 AM EDT
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Because he is an pussified English character protrayed by anti-gun faggots in films made by Hollywood pieces of socialist shit. Gay Perry in "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang" was twice the man Bond is.
You have no idea how wrong you are. A character created by a real WWII British Commando, based on a composite of real WWII commandos. He was more of an assassin than anything. Maybe those guys who really killed people understood what was needed for different jobs. As an aside one of the worst things Jeff Cooper ever did for the gun carrying public was convince us we needed to carry service firearms for concealed carry. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:18:08 AM EDT
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As an aside one of the worst things Jeff Cooper ever did for the gun carrying public was convince us we needed to carry service firearms for concealed carry.
Disagree completely. I find this to be one the best theories he ever had, and luckily it took hold. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:20:35 AM EDT
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... About the 3rd/4th book into the series a new armorer made him upgrade to the PPK because in the previous book he had almost been killed due to a problem with his Beretta. I cannot recall the exact reason, whether it was a misfire or he could not unholster his weapon at the time. M confiscated his Beretta, knowing that he would ignore them and continue to carry the Beretta. .... Its been decades since I've read them, but I believe the Beretta hung up in the holster during a very inopportune time. Can't remember which book it was, though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile From russia with love silenced 25 hung up while the evil russian KGB torturer was trying to kick him with a poisoned shoe dagger next book starts out with him getting the ppk and a S&W centennial 38 special he carried a long barreled 45 colt in his car |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:22:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Because he is an pussified English character protrayed by anti-gun faggots in films made by Hollywood pieces of socialist shit. Gay Perry in "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang" was twice the man Bond is. You have no idea how wrong you are. A character created by a real WWII British Commando, based on a composite of real WWII commandos. He was more of an assassin than anything. Maybe those guys who really killed people understood what was needed for different jobs. As an aside one of the worst things Jeff Cooper ever did for the gun carrying public was convince us we needed to carry service firearms for concealed carry. I agree...Spy/Assassin would be correct. In a few of the Bond movies he even uses a silencer on his PPK. Concealment was more important that raw firepower. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:24:23 AM EDT
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PPK is an abbreviation of "small police pistol" |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:27:45 AM EDT
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Shot placement trumps caliber. Every time. in the magical land of internet commandos, shot placement is an actual consideration in real life, bad guys get the bonnie and clyde treatment substituting reality with nice3 sounding theory is the no. 1 pasttime of all humanity |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:37:58 AM EDT
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Bond originally carried a Berreta 418 in .25 ACP http://www.exordinanza.net/foto/beretta418.jpg Yup. 1919 M418. The reason he had this weapon is because it was the actual weapon carried by the British secret service right after WWII. That part of Ian Flemming's story is historically correct. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:20:22 AM EDT
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I carry one in .380 with hollow points. It is easy to keep clean and in good operating order (stainless), I am accurate with it, I like it, and I am satisfied with its stopping power relative to its comfort to concealed carry and draw rapidly. Does anything else matter?
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:20:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:28:56 AM EDT
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Fracking pisses me off the the ex-wife got to keep the German PPK I had found for her. I love the PPK.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:30:27 AM EDT
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Because if you are wearing a tailored suit, you need something small so it doesn't ruin the lines. Umm, tailor the suit around the gun? Does this make me the next Q? 
Real answer. Ian Flemming was British and thought the gun looked cool. Europe was in love with wimpy ass pistols. He actually had a firearms enthusiast write to him about the gun that Bond carried (one of the dvds has a special feature with an interview with the man). The letter highlighted why Bond should not carry a .25 and pointed out that a large revolver would be best in terms of stopping power, but that the smaller ppk would offer a good compromise between performance and concealability. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:30:29 AM EDT
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Because it was the best available when Flemming wrote the novels and why break the tradition?
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:37:49 AM EDT
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in one set of posters they had a pellet pistol.
That said, he is a spy and occasionally an assassin. He does not need a big pistol. Did he ever use a sniper rifle? |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:39:45 AM EDT
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PPK is an abbreviation of "small police pistol" Actually it is an abbreviation of "Polizei Pistole Kriminal" which translates to Police Pistol Detective. Basically it is a Detective's Special version of the Walther PP (Police Pistol.) |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:40:40 AM EDT
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Bond originally carried a Berreta 418 in .25 ACP http://www.exordinanza.net/foto/beretta418.jpg Yeah and it blew up on him during a previous mission and he then was issued a PPK in Dr. No. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:45:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: I always thought the K was for "Kurz", or short. (shorter than the original PP)Quoted: Actually it is an abbreviation of "Polizei Pistole Kriminal" which translates to Police Pistol Detective. Basically it is a Detective's Special version of the Walther PP (Police Pistol.)PPK is an abbreviation of "small police pistol" |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:48:43 AM EDT
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I always thought the K was for "Kurz", or short. (shorter than the original PP)
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Actually it is an abbreviation of "Polizei Pistole Kriminal" which translates to Police Pistol Detective. Basically it is a Detective's Special version of the Walther PP (Police Pistol.)
PPK is an abbreviation of "small police pistol" That would definitely be descriptive, but not the actual name. ETA: From the GERMAN wiki article (as translated by Google) The Walther PPK is an automatic pistol of German arms manufacturer Carl Walther GmbH Sportwaffen . The model name "PPK" stands for P olizei P istole K riminal . The erroneous designation "Police Pistol short" is so widespread that even the manufacturer is sometimes used. The compact design of the weapon, it is predestined for use by the police and for concealed carry.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_PPK |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:48:51 AM EDT
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in one set of posters they had a pellet pistol. That said, he is a spy and occasionally an assassin. He does not need a big pistol. Did he ever use a sniper rifle? Walther WA 2000 in The Living Daylights flick. eta and one of the better Bond portrayers, imo. 
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:50:52 AM EDT
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Because if you are wearing a tailored suit, you need something small so it doesn't ruin the lines. There's no logical reason for him to carry that gun still in 2012. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Seriously though the only reason he carries it is for tradition. I just think it's dumb that they finally upgraded him to the P99 and then they downgraded him back to the PPK. This is what I think. I like it. It's a nice return to him being a spy and not a shit not of retarded/gimmicky gadgets. The Q shit was getting ridiculous after a while |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:52:22 AM EDT
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PPK is an abbreviation of "small police pistol" PPK means "Police Pistol, Criminal" It was designed as an UC gun. |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:56:22 AM EDT
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As Q says to Bond in Skyfall, " less of a killing machine, more of a personal statement"
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:58:14 AM EDT
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As Q says to Bond in Skyfall, " less of a killing machine, more of a personal statement" NO SPOILERS, BRITS!!!! IT DOESN'T OPEN HERE UNTIL FRIDAY!!!! |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:00:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Because he is an pussified English character protrayed by anti-gun faggots in films made by Hollywood pieces of socialist shit. Gay Perry in "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang" was twice the man Bond is. You have no idea how wrong you are. A character created by a real WWII British Commando, based on a composite of real WWII commandos. He was more of an assassin than anything. Maybe those guys who really killed people understood what was needed for different jobs. As an aside one of the worst things Jeff Cooper ever did for the gun carrying public was convince us we needed to carry service firearms for concealed carry. Fleming himself was not a commando. He organized several groups that specialized in document gathering behind Allied advances. But he never served in the field: During World War 2 he worked throughout as assistant to the Director of Naval Intelligence in the Admiralty in London, privy to many secrets. It was his experience in this job that was to provide many of the characters and incidents that he was to write about later in the Bond books. http://www.ianfleming.com/ian-fleming/ In 1942 Fleming formed a unit of commandos, known as No. 30 Commando or 30 Assault Unit (30AU), composed of specialist intelligence troops. 30AU's job was to be near the front line of an advance—sometimes in front of it—to seize enemy documents from previously targeted headquarters. The unit was based on a German group headed by Otto Skorzeny, who had undertaken similar activities in the Battle of Crete in May 1941. The German unit was thought by Fleming to be "one of the most outstanding innovations in German intelligence". Fleming did not fight in the field with the unit, but selected targets and directed operations from the rear. On its formation the unit was only thirty strong, but it grew to five times that size. The unit was filled with men from other commando units, and trained in unarmed combat, safe-cracking and lock-picking at the SOE facilities. In late 1942 Captain (later Rear-Admiral) Edmund Rushbrooke replaced Godfrey as head of the Naval Intelligence Division, and Fleming's influence in the organisation declined, although he retained control over 30AU was unpopular with the unit's members, who disliked his referring to them as his "Red Indians". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fleming |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:01:43 AM EDT
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It has a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window...And THAT was in .32ACP! S |
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:06:52 AM EDT
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Hey, he started off with a .25. The .32 was standard for a lot of Euro types for a long time. 9mm short was a step up. The Israelis (and the mob) have had good luck with .22's.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:16:43 AM EDT
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He has a license to kil……….
A LICENSE TO KILL……. They gave this man a license to kill people. He has the permission from his country to kill people! You don't get that license if you have a record for missing! I wonder if the fee was $200.00 & an oversized stamp? I'd apply for one……… its like my CCW……… I hope I never have to use but its nice to have 
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:24:45 AM EDT
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His weapon was for last resort only. As a spy his job is to stay undetected. Getting into a gunfight tends to attract unwanted attention.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:26:08 AM EDT
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I suppose he got cosmetic surgery to hide the railroad tracks on the web of his right hand between his thumb and trigger finger?
PPKs like to leave a tell tale parallel cut on the web of the hand if you grip them just a wee bit too high. May as well just sharpen the slide so it cuts cleanly instead of rips.
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