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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:36:42 AM EST
[#1]
As a Designer/Draftsman myself, fuck that clock watching hourly bullshit. Tell me what you want and went you want it, I'll get it done, otherwise let me do my thing. I you need me there for some specific thing at a specific time sure, otherwise get off me about 8:01 bullshit.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:37:33 AM EST
[#2]
I know. I work in a small office. There are three of us, the boss is in another state.
The girl that we have that runs the customer service desk, does phones and billing, is supposed to be here at 9:00. The Phones open at 9. She routinely gets here between 9:10 and 9:15, sometimes 9:30 then has to go to the bathroom, then wipes or sprays her desk down every morning. She is the only one that sits at it, so unless she defiled it the day before, its no dirtier than she left it. Depending on the job I get it, but if its a customer facing job or other people are interlinking and depending on the person, they should show up on time maybe just a few mins early. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:38:36 AM EST
[#3]
When I punched the clock the issue of time management was the boss' problem, I didn't concern myself with it.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:39:19 AM EST
[#4]
I am almost always early to work because I like to start slow rather than hit the ground running. Those that roll in on time or a little late get just as much done in a day as I do, so no one cares.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:40:11 AM EST
[#5]
I don't have set hours, I get into the office first or second, at 3:30AM.
I log my time. I leave between 11:30 and 1:30 Often first to leave. Oh yeah, I'm a CAD designer |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:41:43 AM EST
[#6]
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I get to work an hour early and work through lunch to get maximum OT with the least time wasted. My co workers show up whenever, I couldn't care less. It isn't like they are opening a business for customers or getting paid. My employees loved me. I even hooked one up with a deal on my shop. Carried the paper for him. He's killing it. I would have given a nut to have somebody take care of me like that. I still see my old boss regularly. He never lets a visit slip by without mentioning that he wishes I still worked for him. It's been over 10 years since I worked there. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:41:47 AM EST
[#7]
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". Professional job too. And idf I am early, I get a coffee, take a shit, whatever. I'm not working before the clock. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:41:53 AM EST
[#8]
Our office hours are 8:00 - 5:00. I'm usually closer to 7:30 - 5:00 just so I can get stuff done before anyone else shows up.
Yet we have one guy who routinely shows up around 9:30, spends 45 minutes drinking coffee and surfing the web in the break room, takes a 1.5 hour lunch break, then leaves at 3:30 or 4:00. All while complaining he has too much work to do and not enough time to do it. And somehow this bothers nobody but me.  (He also happens to be a hardcore Marxist who planned on quitting his job, living on UBI, and doing nothing once Bernie gets elected.)
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:42:02 AM EST
[#9]
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As a Designer/Draftsman myself, fuck that clock watching hourly bullshit. Tell me what you want and went you want it, I'll get it done, otherwise let me do my thing. I you need me there for some specific thing at a specific time sure, otherwise get off me about 8:01 bullshit. Fuck 'work hours'. I'm paid for what I know not what I do - and surely not what few minutes + or - I am in and out of the office. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:43:29 AM EST
[#10]
I agree OP. However sometimes you got to pick your battles..we have lost really hard workers for showing up a few minutes late only to be able to not find better workers which put us in a shitty spot..granted it WAS joe blows fault but in hindsight we should have kept joe blow, it was only a few minutes...
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:43:36 AM EST
[#11]
You should be looking at those who do half the work of others in the same time.
I work in an engineering department and we have plenty that show up on time but never put out any work. If this guy does a good job and gets his assigned work done, who cares what time he gets there. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:44:32 AM EST
[#12]
It's not difficult / hard, and it's generally simple.
Imo you're asking the wrong question. Why don't people arrive at work early? I think is closer.... which I think the answer for the majority, will always come back to, they don't want to. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:44:34 AM EST
[#13]
I'm so glad that my boss isn't a clock watcher. Granted I'm a salaried engineer and don't work in a production environment. As long as my work gets done then nobody really cares if I show up at 8am or 9am. I also stay late when needed and do a fair bit of international (Asia) travel. It all evens out.
If they employee is getting their work done then who cares about a few mins? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:45:42 AM EST
[#14]
Yeah I worked an internship once where the boss man tried to tell me to get there early, and held up another employee as an example who arrived 30-45 minutes early and ate his oatmeal in the shop every day.
Lol, no. Over the course of the internship, the small little company blew so much money on stupid stuff like a fancy nespresso, ridiculous one-off tools, and a full “kitchen” addition to the office mobile home (lol I know) that they ran out of money and had to let me go 4 months into a previously agreed-upon 6 month internship. How’s that for planning? Anyways, I agree that 8:01 is late. But 8:00 is right on time. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:49:48 AM EST
[#15]
Because Boomers came up in a time when, if you were loyal to the company the company would be loyal to you. And working at the same place for your whole career was more common than the reverse.
When said Boomers got into positions of power they ended all that and started treating employees like cogs in a machine and showed the same amount of loyalty to them. They're now super confused that Millennials don't give a single shit about their employer. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:50:20 AM EST
[#16]
I showed up at 8:23 today, by the way. Being salaried and producing kicks ass.
Probably going to leave early. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:51:08 AM EST
[#17]
I was going to offer my opinion, but I'm old school and would just piss off the Millenials.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:51:27 AM EST
[#18]
Showed up 2 hours late today. Took some calls and emails from home while the wife ran some errands and i had the kids
Zero fucks given by anyone. However, when something critical is going on....my ass better be there Its a give and take. Employees who abuse the system tend to make other mistakes as well that get them tossed. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:51:28 AM EST
[#19]
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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time. Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work. The average American is only 60% productive at his job. At our work site, there are four guys out of ten who are really doing the work. I transferred out of one location and visited 6 weeks later, yep, I was the guy getting more than my fair share of work done. The place looked like shit and the range war was on to see who could be forced to pick up all the slack they remainder were refusing to handle. And now there are three more of us with plans to leave at the present location. Awesome. If we could just time it right . . . Clock Nazi's are always the ones who perform at 60% while a few others pick up all those 40%'s from the others, get them done, and make the company what it is. Be careful what you ask for . . . |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:54:02 AM EST
[#20]
Last week my sister in law's little kid was waiting for her to get out of the bathroom when she was getting ready for work. Instead of knocking, he peed on the floor.
She was late. So there's that. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:54:37 AM EST
[#21]
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So if work starts at 8.....and you show up at 8....but one day you show up at 8:05 because of traffic....that's piss poor planning on your part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". If it's shift work, and someone's waiting for you to go home, absolutely. If there's a group waiting for you do to your part, absolutely. This guy is a CAD designer. He sits at a desk and well, designs. Who gives a fuck if he's a few minutes late? I bet you don't bitch when he stays past quitting time. I do not understand people like you. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:55:26 AM EST
[#22]
OP get your management a modern organizational behavior book. Also don't bitch on arfcom during office hours about a guy coming in a minute late.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:58:20 AM EST
[#23]
Maybe laziness. Poor planning. No self discipline.
When hourly guys don't show up and it keeps production from starting, they are costing me money, get the book thrown at them, and eventually fired if the behavior isn’t corrected. (I’m not the one tracking or terminating the employee, but my staff is). Unfortunately it’s usually the guy losing the job is the one that needs the job and income the most. Those that are on salary for operations, the sales staff on commission, and guys on piece work, come and go as they please. I actually have no idea where they are right now... I should probably check on them. 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:59:12 AM EST
[#24]
I'm sure we're way past the "you're lucky to have a job, if you don't suck the bosses dick and his kid's as well, cause capitalism"?
Anal clock watchers never understand how work gets done. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:59:55 AM EST
[#25]
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Is his job performance less than acceptable? Micromanagement will drive away good employees... |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:00:18 AM EST
[#26]
Same thing here. And they smoke like every hour on the hour taking about 15-20 min. The kicker? We have an unenforced total smoking ban and the owner smokes indoors here.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:00:36 AM EST
[#27]
It's a lack of mental discipline. Discipline is Freedom. Discipline yourself and nobody will have need to tell you shit. I stopped showing up early because my company wouldn't allow me to clock in until 5 mins to the hour. I'm still never late but I show up at 5:55 am, no earlier.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:00:38 AM EST
[#28]
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I don't have a time punch type job, fortunately. I show up and leave when I want, just as long as the job gets done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if work starts at 8.....and you show up at 8....but one day you show up at 8:05 because of traffic....that's piss poor planning on your part. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:02:47 AM EST
[#29]
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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time. Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:02:54 AM EST
[#30]
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I was going to offer my opinion, but I'm old school and would just piss off the Millenials. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/7d/7d/a87d7deb844f6b73d9eb32037d0e723f.gif |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:04:54 AM EST
[#31]
So if this guy is showing up 5 mins early 4 days a week = 20 mins, and late 5 mins once a week.
What I see is you owe him for 15 mins of work
As some have stated already, if you need people there at 7:45 so the manufacturing floor can begin production at 8 sharp, then everyone needs to be there at 7:45 and start getting paid then. What I am hearing is that you are not willing to pay people fully for their time. In the old days.....there used to be an understanding between employers and employees that they would take of each other. Thats not the case anymore, except some small family business exceptions. Companies don't give a shit about employees. Bottom line if you want people there at 7:45am, clearly communicate that and pay them starting at that time. I used to go in early at 6am and leave at 3pm at one job because I got more done and the commute was 30mins to an hour less. Everyone was fine with it except one asshole that kept complaining I was always leaving early
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:05:21 AM EST
[#32]
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This isn’t a McDonald's or Pizza Hut job……this is a professional position. My position did not require me to be on time insofar as opening a store, unlocking a building, being there for a scheduled delivery, etc. I had zero contact with customers or vendors and my contact with staff was minimal. I could've done my job just as effectively at midnight as I could at noon. Anyway, about a year later, I enrolled in grad school. During final week, I was up late studying and had a few mornings where I dragged ass and showed up 10-15 minutes late. I already had worked late earlier in the week, so I wasn't bilking my employer out of their 40 hours. My supervisor had the talk with me about "We start at 8am" and I gave him my excuse. He brushed me off with a flippant comment. All said and done, I worked there for 8 more years. Guess who showed up at 7:59 and left at 5:01 for those 8 years and didn't give them anything beyond 40 hours a week? This guy. I'm self-employed now and have a staff of three. As long as the phone is covered during normal business hours, I don't really care when my employees work as long as the work gets done. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:07:39 AM EST
[#33]
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I know. I work in a small office. There are three of us, the boss is in another state. The girl that we have that runs the customer service desk, does phones and billing, is supposed to be here at 9:00. The Phones open at 9. She routinely gets here between 9:10 and 9:15, sometimes 9:30 then has to go to the bathroom, then wipes or sprays her desk down every morning. She is the only one that sits at it, so unless she defiled it the day before, its no dirtier than she left it. Depending on the job I get it, but if its a customer facing job or other people are interlinking and depending on the person, they should show up on time maybe just a few mins early. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:08:50 AM EST
[#34]
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Last week my sister in law's little kid was waiting for her to get out of the bathroom when she was getting ready for work. Instead of knocking, he peed on the floor. She was late. So there's that. 
Dominance asserted. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:14:03 AM EST
[#35]
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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time. Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work. If you’re saying get there early and prep work related things to be ready for work for that day. No, that’s not correct and Comcast is the example of that. They were sued and had to pay out overtime pay for Comcast forcing call center employees to login to systems before their start time to be ready for a call exactly at the start of their day. What still amazes me is that my company still says in our work rules that were to be ready for a call at the start of our day despite Comcast having to pay out for this exact same thing. Personally, I typically don’t touch my work computer until the start of my day. If my company wants me ready to work at exactly 4pm when I get there, my workstation should already be logged in with my systems opened. Otherwise they can eat a dick and I’ll be ready in about 6 minutes because our outsourced IT should win an award for slowest performing applications known to man. Also, if my company decided to get a bug up their ass, they could bring the hammer down for using company systems off the clock. Gotta love working in a toxic Union/Management environment where rules and their interpretations can change at any given minute depending on who in management is enforcing. https://www.overtimepaylaws.org/comcast-overtime-lawsuit/ |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:14:10 AM EST
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I work in manufacturing and a large sheet metal manufacturing facility. We recently hired a guy for pretty good money as a CAD designer. The shop starts at 8am, but most people show up and are ready to go 15-20min early. Some show up over an hour early…which I think is a little nuts. This guy consistently shows up at 7:59,8:00…sometimes a few minutes after 8. I’ve heard his boss talking to him several times about it……”if you are not early, you are late….8:01 is late”. The guy will show up at 7:55 for a few days, and then he’s back to the 7:59-8:01 deal again. I have a feeling that the guy is eventually going to get fired because of this…..he's only been with the company for a couple of months....he should be trying to make an impression. Is it really that hard to show up a few minutes early for work so that if something unexpected happens (traffic jam, accident, flat time, etc, etc….) you aren’t walking in late? This isn’t a McDonald's or Pizza Hut job……this is a professional position. Or in today's day and age.....it getting buy with the least amount of effort acceptable?? 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:16:15 AM EST
[#37]
Mother of God, I didn't know this level of boomer was achievable.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:16:37 AM EST
[#38]
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I work in manufacturing and a large sheet metal manufacturing facility. We recently hired a guy for pretty good money as a CAD designer. The shop starts at 8am, but most people show up and are ready to go 15-20min early. Some show up over an hour early…which I think is a little nuts. This guy consistently shows up at 7:59,8:00…sometimes a few minutes after 8. I’ve heard his boss talking to him several times about it……”if you are not early, you are late….8:01 is late”. The guy will show up at 7:55 for a few days, and then he’s back to the 7:59-8:01 deal again. I have a feeling that the guy is eventually going to get fired because of this…..he's only been with the company for a couple of months....he should be trying to make an impression. Is it really that hard to show up a few minutes early for work so that if something unexpected happens (traffic jam, accident, flat time, etc, etc….) you aren’t walking in late? This isn’t a McDonald's or Pizza Hut job……this is a professional position. Or in today's day and age.....it getting buy with the least amount of effort acceptable?? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:18:40 AM EST
[#39]
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Mother of God, I didn't know this level of boomer was achievable. I'm all about "leave early enough so that I'm still on time if traffic is bad," but "you're supposed to be here at 0800, therefore if you're not here at 0730-0745 then you're late" is ridiculous. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:19:31 AM EST
[#40]
I got it made I guess, I'm come and go as I please. As long as the required work is done the boss don't care.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:21:47 AM EST
[#41]
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Most manufacturing people don't understand engineering, and the time it takes to produce and double check CAD drawings. If his being 1-2 minutes late to work delayed his drawing by 1-2 minutes, which resulted in an immediate delay for production, you might have a point. Somehow I doubt that's the case here. If you are running your production shop so tight that having a drawing released 1-2 minutes late can halt or delay production, you are doing something wrong in my opinion.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:23:21 AM EST
[#42]
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:24:28 AM EST
[#43]
I am so glad I am self employed and I am the only employee. If I don't have a survey to do I get to sleep in. Hell even if I have a survey to do I can sleep in. Nobody cares as long as I get the job done on time.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:24:55 AM EST
[#44]
If you are not at your work station when your shift/day starts, then you are late. We can argue about the significance of 5 or 10 minutes, but late is late.
Your start times are not randomly chosen. You know ahead of time when your work day starts. Failure to be there on time is a signal that your job just isn't that important to you, and ultimately it may stop being important to the company. Obviously serious traffic delays or vomiting kids have to be taken into consideration. Even in those cases, the employee needs to call in. If you don't like the constraints of your job, quit. If you hate your boss, quit. If you hate corporations or a family or a whatever and it has an effect on your work, quit. And if you think that making you happy rather than making money is the goal of a business, quit. If you are better than the job you have, find another one. Ride for the brand or ride away. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:25:50 AM EST
[#45]
Do you pay them to show up early?
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:25:54 AM EST
[#46]
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A professional position that is worried about minutes. Sounds like McDonalds. The second I heard that “early is on time, on time is late...” bullshit from a higher up is the moment I’d put in my two weeks. Ain’t got time for that shit. I expect the same of those who work for me. I don’t care when you show up as long as you provide a quality product by the deadline. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:26:01 AM EST
[#47]
LOFL, I show up 20-30 minutes late EVERY DAY.
But, I work in IT and work nights and weekends on short notice all the time without compensation. Well compensated adults are trusted to do their job and no one gives a shit when you did it, just that it was done right and on time. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:26:58 AM EST
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I have worked in radio for over 30 years.
On air people typically get to work maybe a half an hour early so they can take care of anything they need to do before going on air. Sales people and management? Who knows unless they have an appointment at a certain time. But for the most part they don't have set hours. I have not had a regular air shift in over 26 years. I am the OM where I work now. I get to work around 4:00 a.m. Sometimes at 3:45, sometimes I have been as late as 4:15 when something happened I had to deal with before leaving home. Like anyone else in management I do not have set hours, just things I need to be in the building to do every weekday at certain times. I have left to meet the HVAC people at my house at 7:00 a.m. and been back to do what I needed to do at work before 8:00 a.m. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:27:24 AM EST
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Depending on the job I get it, but if its a customer facing job or other people are interlinking and depending on the person, they should show up on time maybe just a few mins early. E.g. the helpdesk opens at 9:00am? Then the shift should start at 8:45, etc. Same thing at the end of the day. If the window closes at 5pm, then the shift should end at 5:15 or whatever. The problem is, this often creates shifts that are 8.5-9 hours long. Company management can't stand to pay for more than "8 hours", so they say the shift is 8 hours, when in reality it's longer. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:27:27 AM EST
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Regularly being late tells everyone around you that you are a disorganized slob that doesn’t give a shit about others |
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