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I abuse the fuck out of my guns. They're tools, not safe queens and internet gun porn. Hell I've had a Blackhawk 44 go tits up on me. And I know they're built like tanks. Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now. No, that would be mind-bendingly stupid and asinine. Sounds to me like you buy or build ARs with shit parts, and then go out of your way to MAKE them break. |
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I can have four for the price of one SCAR though.
When it comes to prepping...I think that's important. I'd rather outfit me and three others with PSA ARs than myself having one SCAR. |
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK. By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose. SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too. Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere. View Quote |
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All you need for shtf is an HK91, some face paint, and a first aid kit. https://i.imgur.com/9BoqMok.jpg View Quote |
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Ooooh Kay, lets not get too far out there - the Battlefield Vegas numbers show a whole litany of issues that arise with an AR on the way to 100,000 rounds. Which is far, far more than just about any rifle will be shot, now or in SHTF. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK. By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose. SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too. Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere. Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK. What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US. |
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Truth be told, and this is coming from a highly experienced operator with decades of experience in highly top secret hot zones (we in the business call it “Black Ops”) — any decent assault rifle with a 30-bullet clip will suffice. The secret we experienced operators know that most don’t (and I really shouldn’t be telling this to the general public) is that it all comes down to your choice of optic that you’re going to put on your assault rifle. Most inexperienced preppers will opt for a cheap, $30 NC Star whereas those of us “in the community” won’t skimp where it matters most. We’ll pony up the dough for serious optics, like the Bushnell TRS-80, or something of that pedigree. A truly “can’t miss” optic will be the deciding factor whether you survive and thrive in the upcoming, post-apocalyptic world we’ll all need to live in.
Confront your fears and Corpus Christi! |
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Bullshit. You get that BCG into the buffer tube & jammed at the lucking lugs with something like a popped primer or similar. Your ass is doing NOTHING in the field with that gun without some actual tools. Gun won't even hinge open at that point...Tap, rack, bang ain't fixing that shit. Possibly same if something gets into the FCG, you'll be disassembling the entire FCG to get whatever jammed it up out of there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Horseshit. Basic “keep the gun running” maintenance requires the same stuff with an AK or an AR. More advanced “change or replace parts” maintenance for the AR requires a hell of a lot less specialized equipment than the AK. You get that BCG into the buffer tube & jammed at the lucking lugs with something like a popped primer or similar. Your ass is doing NOTHING in the field with that gun without some actual tools. Gun won't even hinge open at that point...Tap, rack, bang ain't fixing that shit. Possibly same if something gets into the FCG, you'll be disassembling the entire FCG to get whatever jammed it up out of there. |
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This is about the dumbest post I've read today. Yes, the AR15 is phenomenal when its a QUALITY AR, but going to the bargain bin for a weapon you're going to use to defend yourself is all sorts of stupid... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I’m not even gonna give that article a click The AR 15 is a phenomenal platform Your house isn’t Nam Get PSA uppers and lowers and spend your money on a BCG, Optic and a Light. Save money, Save your life, save a horse ride a cowboy Yes, the AR15 is phenomenal when its a QUALITY AR, but going to the bargain bin for a weapon you're going to use to defend yourself is all sorts of stupid... |
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Not true of the high end ones build by reputable people here in the states. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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But muh PSA is just as good as a KAC! JUST AS GOOD! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Stop listening to and reading articles by dumbfucks. Especially dumbfucks that use WhEn I WaS In ThE MiLiTaRy to justify their dumbfuckery.
Also, anybody claiming to regularly break ARs because "muh guns are tools" is a liar. |
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Reading that article was like watching a Yankee Marshall video.
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Stamped AKs shooting their rivets loose is a pretty well established issue. It can happen long before 100,000 rounds. Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK. What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK. By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose. SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too. Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere. Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK. What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US. Rivets huh? Lol, I assume you're talking about a cheap 150 dollar us manufactured AK? |
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The AR is like the Glock 19. There are things that beat it in one or two areas but overall, it is the best. View Quote |
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Rivets huh? Lol, I assume you're talking about a cheap 150 dollar us manufactured AK? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK. By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose. SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too. Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere. Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK. What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US. Rivets huh? Lol, I assume you're talking about a cheap 150 dollar us manufactured AK? |
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Lol, a majority of that article is made up crap to make more negative points... " the carrier rattles in the upper since it doesnt ride on rails, causing the bolt to misalig in the chamber" lol what? (I paraphrased)
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Quoted: Both shoot much smoother than ARs. It’s very noticeable. Scar is just as accurate and probably more reliable too. Tavor is much shorter. Scar stock can fold. Both are piston guns which are cleaner and keep gases away from the action and shooter. Piston ARs do the same and parts are proprietary as well I TIME TRAVELED FROM THE PAST! I’M HERE TO SAVE THE FUTURE! NO TIME TO EXPLAIN, WE NEED TO ABANDON THE AR PLATFORM AND ADOPT PLASTIC GUNS SHAPED LIKE FISH OR MINI14S!!! IT SHITS WHERE IT EATS, STARCHAMBER, AND BOLT FLOWERS DON’T BELONG! |
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Why would you use a firearm in a SHTF situation that would be hard as hell to scrounge basic replacement parts for including magazines? The AR is probably the easiest rifle you'll ever find to scrounge parts for if you prepped and the SHTF plus the cheapest to stockpile a few parts for. View Quote If the AR15 is good enough for the militaries all over the world and 95% of all law enforcement which, by the way, actually experience real SHTF in real conditions in all parts of the world, then it's good enough for almost damn near everyone who trains with it. |
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Rivets huh? Lol, I assume you're talking about a cheap 150 dollar us manufactured AK? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK. By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose. SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too. Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere. Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK. What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US. Rivets huh? Lol, I assume you're talking about a cheap 150 dollar us manufactured AK? Funny thing about the AR is that even when made by goddamned idiots (or the Chinese) they're still pretty durable. You have to cast the receivers or make them out of plastic to get them to be fragile. And no, loose rivets, the resulting loose trunnions and egged out receivers are not solely observed on American AKs. |
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I've had a gas key crack, I've had two firing pins break, I've had my rifle malfunction due to lack of cleaning. I've never experienced any of this with an AK, SKS or mini 14. Maybe Im just unlucky/lucky I've had 10/22s fail, yet Marlin 60s just run and run. I abuse the fuck out of my guns. They're tools, not safe queens and internet gun porn. Hell I've had a Blackhawk 44 go tits up on me. And I know they're built like tanks. Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I've had a gas key crack, I've had two firing pins break, I've had my rifle malfunction due to lack of cleaning. I've never experienced any of this with an AK, SKS or mini 14. Maybe Im just unlucky/lucky I've had 10/22s fail, yet Marlin 60s just run and run. I abuse the fuck out of my guns. They're tools, not safe queens and internet gun porn. Hell I've had a Blackhawk 44 go tits up on me. And I know they're built like tanks. Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now. This has to be a troll. There is no way that this inane, nonsensical rambling is serious commentary. I abuse the fuck out of my guns. Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks It sounds like you use your guns to do shit other than shoot; like dig post holes, drive nails, and unclog toilets. The constant failures you describe are not likely, hell, they aren't possible without extremely high round counts that aren't seen outside of high-volume commercial and military firing ranges OR through willful misuse of the products. You're a liar or a great troll. |
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Quoted: This has to be a troll. There is no way that this inane, nonsensical rambling is serious commentary. Cause meet effect. It sounds like you use your guns to do shit other than shoot; like dig post holes, drive nails, and unclog toilets. The constant failures you describe are not likely, hell, they aren't possible without extremely high round counts that aren't seen outside of high-volume commercial and military firing ranges OR through willful misuse of the products. You're a liar or a great troll. View Quote One summer i decided to try a kill it. It wouldn't die. I never bought a 10/22. |
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I can have four for the price of one SCAR though. When it comes to prepping...I think that's important. I'd rather outfit me and three others with PSA ARs than myself having one SCAR. View Quote I would rather have one reliable weapon. And I can afford 4 scars. So if I want 4 I would get 4 Or have both and give the AR to others that support me |
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So basically in the first paragraph has bashes the inline design that virtually all post-WWII rifles strive for. This made it clear the author was retarded and there was no point in reading the rest.
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Stamped AKs shooting their rivets loose is a pretty well established issue. It can happen long before 100,000 rounds. Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK. What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK. By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose. SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too. Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere. Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK. What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US. |
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Are you going to carry and shoot 4 ARs at the same time ? I would rather have one reliable weapon. And I can afford 4 scars. So if I want 4 I would get 4 Or have both and give the AR to others that support me View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I can have four for the price of one SCAR though. When it comes to prepping...I think that's important. I'd rather outfit me and three others with PSA ARs than myself having one SCAR. I would rather have one reliable weapon. And I can afford 4 scars. So if I want 4 I would get 4 Or have both and give the AR to others that support me You need friends. Allies. |
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Again my point is that there are other weapons just as good if not better than an AR
I don’t care about a weapon pastime 100 years I care about a weapon that will function well when it’s needed, abused, dirty etc... I’d the SHTF there will be plenty of weapons around. And unless the scenario lasts years most of what you guys are saying is irrelevant |
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He’s talking about Little Creek, Arizona. It’s near Punkin Center. The guys there are Jim and Big Mike. They own a septic tank company that works all over Gila County. Good guys, they love the Mini-14 for some reason.
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If your plan is to survive on your own with the best weapons money can buy, then you've already lost. You need friends. Allies. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I can have four for the price of one SCAR though. When it comes to prepping...I think that's important. I'd rather outfit me and three others with PSA ARs than myself having one SCAR. I would rather have one reliable weapon. And I can afford 4 scars. So if I want 4 I would get 4 Or have both and give the AR to others that support me You need friends. Allies. It during that time I’m going to be carrying the best weapon that can use AR mags And I have a skill that’s needed in times like that so I’ll always be a valuable asset |
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Again my point is that there are other weapons just as good if not better than an AR I don’t care about a weapon pastime 100 years I care about a weapon that will function well when it’s needed, abused, dirty etc... I’d the SHTF there will be plenty of weapons around. And unless the scenario lasts years most of what you guys are saying is irrelevant View Quote |
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You’re just jealous because you had to fake falling off a ladder to get Disability and now you gotta check for insurance company PIs before you go jogging or mow the lawn.
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Quoted: I've had a gas key crack, I've had two firing pins break, I've had my rifle malfunction due to lack of cleaning. I've never experienced any of this with an AK, SKS or mini 14. Maybe Im just unlucky/lucky I've had 10/22s fail, yet Marlin 60s just run and run. I abuse the fuck out of my guns. They're tools, not safe queens and internet gun porn. Hell I've had a Blackhawk 44 go tits up on me. And I know they're built like tanks. Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now. I have a had time believing a simple, and well built rifle like a 223 rem 700 or a higher dollar 3k+ rifle will fail, lock up, or malfunction before an AR in the same caliber. Bolts are just very simplistic designs. View Quote |
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Why would you use a firearm in a SHTF situation that would be hard as hell to scrounge basic replacement parts for including magazines? The AR is probably the easiest rifle you'll ever find to scrounge parts for if you prepped and the SHTF plus the cheapest to stockpile a few parts for. |
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Lol, a majority of that article is made up crap to make more negative points... " the carrier rattles in the upper since it doesnt ride on rails, causing the bolt to misalig in the chamber" lol what? (I paraphrased) View Quote Kharn |
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Quoted: Ooooh Kay, lets not get too far out there - the Battlefield Vegas numbers show a whole litany of issues that arise with an AR on the way to 100,000 rounds (which IIRC is when I recall the AK trunnions can start to go) Which is far, far more than just about any rifle will be shot, now or in SHTF. Sure, the issues can be fixed with spare parts, but other designs, when well made, will also last effectively a lifetime - which now or in SHTF, is likely far, far less than 100,000 rounds. View Quote Standardized equipment for you and your family/group is more important than one guy with a bad ass gun. Get solid equipment and supplies. Stock a few parts kits and you'll be as good as you can be. For me, the AR is pretty much perfect for preppers. Its cheap, accurate, reliable and versital. Ammo and mags are very reasonable. |
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This fucking thread is no-shit comedy gold.
Some of the comments on this page have me cackling like a hyena. |
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Why would you use a firearm in a SHTF situation that would be hard as hell to scrounge basic replacement parts for including magazines? The AR is probably the easiest rifle you'll ever find to scrounge parts for if you prepped and the SHTF plus the cheapest to stockpile a few parts for. View Quote |
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Wot in tardnation is going on in here?
Shits where it eats!1! ARs won't work if they're dirty!1!! Muh delicate flowers!! AKs are superior tech, comrade. It's like I've walked into Bills Discount Gun Emporium and listened to all the Navy Ranger Parajumpers swap stories about Nam. The most reliable, user serviceable, low maintenance semi-auto rifle you can buy today is an AR platform. Add in a super simple manual of arms, metric shit tonnes of spare parts, mags and ammo available and there is no question what a non-mongoloid would chose as a "prepper rifle". |
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