Quoted:

Yep. I asked about him a while back and no one else could remember the dirt bike guy that stopped posting..

Quoted:
Someone goes missing in the US, happens once a week. We have pictures of missing people on milk cartons and "amber alerts" for missing or abducted kids. GD couldn't care less.

Someone goes missing in Mexico, 7 page thread of people saying this is why they won't go to Mexico.

Quoted:

Lol, this is exactly right.

Quoted:

Yep. I asked about him a while back and no one else could remember the dirt bike guy that stopped posting..

Quoted:

That was my friend Harry, I posted a thread about him when he went missing.

Quoted:
At the Riveria Maya, we've gone off the compound to Playa Del Carmen, Tulum, Chitzen Itza which included a swim in a cenote near Valladolid.  We had a 4ish very late lunch in Valladolid with a nice wander around downtown after.  Went snorkeling from Maroma Beach marina and to Xel-Ha eco-park.

On our one trip to San Jose del Cabo, we went snorkeling, wandered around downtown, shopped at the Mega.  The snorkeling was from the Cabo marina and we wandered around there, had lunch and stopped occasionally at touristy bars for drinks.  The resort at Cabo sucked since it was also timeshares, shitty food, and shitty drinks.

Next year we are doing a Riviera Maya all inclusive 11 nighter.  The resort we like was carved out of the jungle about a half-mile off the road, has a half-mile beach, 9 restaurants, and 14 bars and covers 136 acres.  2/3rds of the way from Cancun to Playa Del Carmen 45 minutes south of the airport.  Good food and lots of decent booze labels.  Good beer selection both Mexican and American. The buildings are smaller, two or three stories, and from the ground are very well screened by trees and shrubs.  Live music in the plaza, piano bar, live performance theater, and other entertainment every evening.  Includes shooting (22 rifles) a couple afternoons a week.  Bike riding, organized runs, water aerobics, cigar bar, local arts and crafts vendors that do not pester you set up most evenings in the plaza.  The resort covers 136 acres.  This trip we may very well not leave the resort but who knows.  We've done two 10 nighters and a 7 nighter there and we were not bored.  No kids are allowed at the resort which is a huge plus.  There are much bigger resorts but we like where we go and don't want to risk being disappointed elsewhere.  Going to a place like this is sort of like a cruise except not crowded, eat when you want without reservations, go on excursions without worrying about missing the boat, big pools and a number of other advantages.

Every other year we go to an East Coast or Gulf Coast beach with the kids and rent a condo on the beach so we are not in a Mexico rut by any means.  Just a beach and pool rut.

We would not consider going to a one building hotel with not much beach in Cancun or any other resort town in Mexico except maybe in Cabo walkable to the marina and a beach.  https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312702/260679_jpg-749266.JPG

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312702/alberca_jpg-749257.JPG

Quoted:

There’s nowhere in the world where you have zero risk of being robbed or killed. If the only acceptable percentage for you is zero, I’m not sure where you could travel. Tourists fall victim to crime everywhere, even in the US.

There is no zero-risk activity or zero-risk vacation. The risk to the average American tourist in Mexico is extremely low.

Quoted:

If you don’t think organized crime doesn’t still make money in the distribution of alcohol, you’re a fool.

Quoted:
Why people still go to Mexico is beyond me.

Quoted:
I could think of  HUNDREDS of other places to vacation besides Mexico.

Its like the missionaries  that go over to shit holes in Africa then get killed in said shit hole.

Quoted:
I remember him.  Sad story for sure.

I also remember all manner of sad stories where people did very bad things to other people right here inside our borders.

Quoted:
Literally thousands of people, plane loads of them, go the Mexico every single day. 365 days a year non stop like a Juggernaut, for vacations. A tiny faction of those, a minuscule few in comparison, that sheer statistics says is likely to happen just about anywhere, goes south and GD does exactly what they hate the media for. Ignoring the facts to push the narrative.

It's likely someone went missing somewhere today. Maybe a tourist got knifed in Ireland over a wallet or passport.  That's not a good thing, it's not happy.  It's sad and I wish evil didn't exist. Holy hell lookout when it does in Mexico though because here comes the sensationalism.

Quoted:
Literally thousands of people, plane loads of them, go the Mexico every single day. 365 days a year non stop like a Juggernaut, for vacations. A tiny faction of those, a minuscule few in comparison, that sheer statistics says is likely to happen just about anywhere, goes south and GD does exactly what they hate the media for. Ignoring the facts to push the narrative.

It's likely someone went missing somewhere today. Maybe a tourist got knifed in Ireland over a wallet or passport.  That's not a good thing, it's not happy.  It's sad and I wish evil didn't exist. Holy hell lookout when it does in Mexico though because here comes the sensationalism.

Quoted:
Low - compared to where?  England?  Hawaii?  Switzerland?

If zero is unrealistic, then what is the number?  What is the current number for Mexico?

Quoted:

@MATTINFAIRBORN

Which resort? We went to Dreams/Secrets at Riveria Maya earlier this year. Awesome time!

Quoted:

Low enough that it doesn’t make sense to skip a trip to Mexico over fear of being murdered.

In 2016, more than 31 million American citizens visited Mexico. 75 were murdered in Mexico. That’s around 1 in 420,000. 49 million American citizens visited other countries and 69 were murdered in those countries, about 1 in 710,000.

Both rates are very low. But we should also consider that a large portion of the 31 million who visited Mexico were not tourists. Many were visiting family, some were going to engage in criminal activity, and people in both of those categories are presumably significantly more likely to be victims of crime than average American tourists going to a resort in Cancun.

I would suspect that a tiny handful of people who you would consider to be average tourists are murdered in Mexico each year. Maybe 5 or 10–it’s hard to say, as the people compiling the statistics don’t differentiate between tourists and US citizens visiting Mexico for other reasons.

Even if all 75 who were murdered in Mexico were average tourists, 1 in 420,000 is quite a low rate. A person who lives in Montana has about a 1 in 250,000 chance of being struck by lightning in a given year. Should everyone who lives in Montana leave the state out of fear of being struck by lightning?

Quoted:

By your own math, you're almost twice as likely to die vacationing in Mexico than anywhere else in the world.

Quoted:

Mexico is such a wonderful place that Mexicans come here illegally, and fight like hell to stay here.  If they are deported back, they come right back here.

How many times was the dude that shot the lady in San Fran sent back?

Quoted:

This sounds like the typical "tourist goes and tries swimming in a death trap" problem.

Hawaii people know what I'm talking about.

Quoted:
Any touristy costal area
People really let go of common sense on vacation

Quoted:

Lol, this is exactly right.

Quoted:

Mexico is the kidnapping capital of the world
And not by a small amount

Even Mexicans tell me Mexico is a criminal paradise

If I have to pay off cops to leave me alone when I am just out having a good time

Mexico can sink into the ocean

Quoted:

Mexico is the kidnapping capital of the world
And not by a small amount

Even Mexicans tell me Mexico is a criminal paradise

If I have to pay off cops to leave me alone when I am just out having a good time

Mexico can sink into the ocean

Quoted:
Has her body been found yet ?

Quoted:
Pretty sure Phoenix AZ had one of the highest per capita kidnapping rates in the world not too long ago.

"What officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now. "

Quoted:

No, but the rate is fairly close to being twice as high as the average rate for all other countries.

Either way, the rate is extremely low. And it includes lots of American citizens who were going to Mexico for reasons other than tourism. It also includes tourists like me who go on wild adventures in Mexico and don’t stick to normal tourist destinations.

And, if you live in Montana, you are almost twice as likely to be struck by lightning in a given year as an American tourist is to be murdered in Mexico. Again, should everyone in Montana flee the state out of fear of lightning strikes?

Quoted:

1.  Americans never go to other countries than Mexico for reasons other than tourism?
2.  There is no lightning in Mexico?  Or, more likely, you get to run a similar risk of that, PLUS the particular Mexican brand of mayhem?

Quoted:

Neither is Detroit.

Quoted:
More people die in 1 day in the US in traffic accidents than are killed while on vacation out of the country in a whole year.

Yet people here aren't scared of cars

ETA yes by all means stay home, my favorite vacation spots are getting too crowded anyway.