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Posted: 5/18/2020 1:50:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManBearPack: This can't be true GD told me Apple is superior to Android products. I fuckin' HATE apple phones with a passion, but I agree with them on this one. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 1:50:38 PM EST
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Was this individual a 'known' terrorist? Is that was the case, what was he doing here training with our air force? This is a tough question. When is privacy trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a non-US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of citizens of a country that is an allly? not an ally? |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:04:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was this individual a 'known' terrorist? Is that was the case, what was he doing here training with our air force? This is a tough question. When is privacy trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a non-US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of citizens of a country that is an allly? not an ally? He was a known terrorist at the time Apple was asked for help. He's not a US Citizen. This wasn't a blanket ask. .Gov gives exceptions and exemptions all the time. Why not a one time deal for this? meh. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:10:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: terrorists don't play by the rules. You sound like a Dirty Harry movie. The bad guys never play by the rules. That’s why they’re bad guys. Using your logic we should just let the government do whatever it wants because if you’ve done nothing wrong you’ve got nothing to worry about, right? |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:13:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sound like a Dirty Harry movie. The bad guys never play by the rules. That's why they're bad guys. Using your logic we should just let the government do whatever it wants because if you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to worry about, right? This guy had already shot up the joint when Apple was asked for the help. It's not at all the same thing. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:13:13 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: Why can't companies be more like Huawei? This would all be so much easier. That’s a high quality post! |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:15:55 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Apple creates a backdoor it will be used against US citizens too. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:19:32 PM EST
[#8]
This is the First Amendment equivalent to the “I’m pro Second Amendment, but...”
You either believe in freedom or you don’t. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:22:21 PM EST
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I fully support Apple refusing to give the government a back door into their customers' devices.
Today it's Saudi terrorists, tomorrow it's "domestic, right wing, anti-government extremists." 
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:26:53 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the First Amendment equivalent to the "I'm pro Second Amendment, but..." You either believe in freedom or you don't. disagree. they gov didn't need to have a back door. only apple needed to, and could have turned over the info without an ask. no US citizens impacted. terrorist in jail. get both. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:30:32 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManBearPack: This can't be true GD told me Apple is superior to Android products. They are. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:30:52 PM EST
[#12]
so - y'all fine to give up your rights because 'flu, but foreigner shoots 11 people on US soil and you're worried about the terrorist.
got it. I think. maybe not. eta: directed @ no one in particular. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:31:18 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: disagree. they gov didn't need to have a back door. only apple needed to, and could have turned over the info without an ask. no US citizens impacted. terrorist in jail. get both. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By macman37: This is the First Amendment equivalent to the "I'm pro Second Amendment, but..." You either believe in freedom or you don't. disagree. they gov didn't need to have a back door. only apple needed to, and could have turned over the info without an ask. no US citizens impacted. terrorist in jail. get both. Riiiiight... So if Apple built in a back door, who gets to decide who's devices they hack into for the gov? |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:33:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Riiiiight... So if Apple built in a back door, who gets to decide who's devices they hack into for the gov? they could build a back door any day of the week , it's not like the .gov is stopping them from doing it - are they? |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:33:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kiju: "Buy Commie products, get Commie Service." What'd you expect? 'Droid ain't NO better. I was going to say send me a copy of your current OS code please. If you think Apple is so dangerous you better open your ignorant eyes because Apple ain't even in the same league as Google/Android/Alphabet when it comes to privacy. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:35:35 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnprocess:Yeah, not seeing how Apple failed here. Haters gotta hate. They're not sure why. They're not sure what encryption is or what a certificate authority is but they still wanna' hate. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:36:28 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By timeless: Wait what? People are mad that Apple won't participate in civil rights violations? Yes. But for good reasons.*  *Ignorance is bliss. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:36:49 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Haters gotta hate. They're not sure why. They're not sure what encryption is or what a certificate authority is but they still wanna' hate. Yes...seething hate. The real irony here is that I didn't even start this thread. I was hacked. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:40:22 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: they could build a back door any day of the week , it's not like the .gov is stopping them from doing it - are they? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By triburst1: Riiiiight... So if Apple built in a back door, who gets to decide who's devices they hack into for the gov? they could build a back door any day of the week , it's not like the .gov is stopping them from doing it - are they? If they built a back door and the government hacked and used it, APPLE would be the ones getting screamed at for selling out their users. And potentially being sued to oblivion for it. Frankly what disturbs me the most about this is how little time it is taking the government to break the encryption on the phones. What happened to the 10,000 years to break the encryption that the security gurus were talking about a few years back? Apple needs to up their standards. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:42:17 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mrcatbert: If they built a back door and the government hacked and used it, APPLE would be the ones getting screamed at for selling out their users. And potentially being sued to oblivion for it. Frankly what disturbs me the most about this is how little time it is taking the government to break the encryption on the phones. What happened to the 10,000 years to break the encryption that the security gurus were talking about a few years back? Apple needs to up their standards. The crypto itself might take that long to break. But if you can't secure the key sufficiently it won't matter. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:43:23 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BS. There is nobody in the FBI that would ever abuse their power. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If Apple creates a backdoor it will be used against US citizens too. BS. There is nobody in the FBI that would ever abuse their power. Wife - Why are you laughing so hard? Me - Just this Internet thing I read. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:48:28 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Yes...seething hate. The real irony here is that I didn't even start this thread. I was hacked. Not sure about you but it was more the "I fuckin' HATE apple phones with a passion" kind of person. They have a life's cause to hate the products of a company. It's like collecting cats I think. Their hate blinds them. They have no rational understanding of the product or where it fits in the market place but they hate it with "passion". They don't understand privacy, certificate authorities, or public keys but KNOW Apple is to be fucked. Show me on the doll where this manufacturer of consumer products touched you. I was born without that affliction and suffer neither the excessive hate for or love of any manufacturer of consumer goods. You got hacked? OK I'm changing your password on your login now. 
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:48:50 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I think it's time to pick a side. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By L_JE: So, Apple should have to devote their time and resources to breaking into the phone? I think it's time to pick a side. Wrong. Their business, their rules. Don’t like it, go create a trillion dollar tech company and create your own backdoor for the US government. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:49:07 PM EST
[#24]
Fuck Apple, but not for this reason.
Fuck backdoors, and fuck the .gov forcing developers to make them. The FBI needs to put on their big boy pants and get to work. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:49:47 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: @Hollywood_Shooter I choose freedom. https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/45/55/104564896-BenFranklinQuote.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I think it's time to pick a side. @Hollywood_Shooter I choose freedom. https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/45/55/104564896-BenFranklinQuote.jpg 
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:51:14 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foxxz:The crypto itself might take that long to break. But if you can't secure the key sufficiently it won't matter. IIRC of what I read in the public the FBI hires the job out to an Israeli company. Any password can be recovered in a few days. You just need the person with the password, a pair of socks, a quiet place, and a padlock. You put the padlock into the sock and beat the person with the lock-in-the-sock until they give the password. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:52:24 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: What did Apple do wrong here? Nothing. The uninformed think Apple has a backdoor into their phones that they refused to share. They don't. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:54:03 PM EST
[#28]
I think phones should have burner passwords where you can unlock the phone for some people with limited info, like having separate user accounts, or passwords that unlock the phone with limited info and send out a distress signal.
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:54:18 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: disagree. they gov didn't need to have a back door. only apple needed to, and could have turned over the info without an ask. no US citizens impacted. terrorist in jail. get both. Once a backdoor exists, it is in the wild. To believe otherwise is sheer folly. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:59:53 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: He was a known terrorist at the time Apple was asked for help. He's not a US Citizen. This wasn't a blanket ask. .Gov gives exceptions and exemptions all the time. Why not a one time deal for this? meh. Oh look, someone who doesn't know how math or software/hardware encryption works. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 3:01:05 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: disagree. they gov didn't need to have a back door. only apple needed to, and could have turned over the info without an ask. no US citizens impacted. terrorist in jail. get both. That's not how math and software/hardware encryption works. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 3:01:20 PM EST
[#32]
Apple doesn't have a backdoor for their encryption and doesn't want a backdoor for the encryption so that it is secure for everyone.
Does that make sense now? |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 3:01:57 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: so - y'all fine to give up your rights because 'flu, but foreigner shoots 11 people on US soil and you're worried about the terrorist. got it. I think. maybe not. eta: directed @ no one in particular. No, giving up rights because of COVID-19 is stupid also. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 3:37:31 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: IIRC of what I read in the public the FBI hires the job out to an Israeli company. Any password can be recovered in a few days. You just need the person with the password, a pair of socks, a quiet place, and a padlock. You put the padlock into the sock and beat the person with the lock-in-the-sock until they give the password. If you're willing to spend a little more I've found that a pipe wrench applied to the kneecaps to be a wonderfully efficient password cracking method. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:10:50 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: so - y'all fine to give up your rights because 'flu, but foreigner shoots 11 people on US soil and you're worried about the terrorist. got it. I think. maybe not. eta: directed @ no one in particular. Weird, the wuflu didn’t stop me from leaving my house and doing what I wanted to do.... There are plenty who protested against their rights being infringed, you are part of the other group who are ok with giving up yours and you are too blind to see it. That’s ok, people like WHitler are doing things for your safety. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:19:38 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triburst1: I fully support Apple refusing to give the government a back door into their customers' devices. Today it's Saudi terrorists, tomorrow it's "domestic, right wing, anti-government extremists." Apple refused to hack the San Bernardino shooter’s phone too, even though it belonged to the County and the County requested they hack it. Apple said no. IIRC we ended up paying an Israeli company to hack the phone. I agree with Apple on this. Somebody has to stand up for our rights. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:50:34 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You got hacked? OK I'm changing your password on your login now.  |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:51:16 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. Their business, their rules. Don't like it, go create a trillion dollar tech company and create your own backdoor for the US government. as if. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:51:51 PM EST
[#39]
Quote Historyyou know -- Franklin most likely didn't say it. most likely. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:52:28 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any password can be recovered in a few days. You just need the person with the password, a pair of socks, a quiet place, and a padlock. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:53:18 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh look, someone who doesn't know how math or software/hardware encryption works. I'm not a wizard. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:53:51 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, giving up rights because of COVID-19 is stupid also. ding. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:54:13 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're willing to spend a little more I've found that a pipe wrench applied to the kneecaps to be a wonderfully efficient password cracking method. well certainly something is getting cracked. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:54:54 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird, the wuflu didn't stop me from leaving my house and doing what I wanted to do.... There are plenty who protested against their rights being infringed, you are part of the other group who are ok with giving up yours and you are too blind to see it. That's ok, people like WHitler are doing things for your safety. Not sure what you're going on about. I was at the range. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:58:23 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: disagree. they gov didn't need to have a back door. only apple needed to, and could have turned over the info without an ask. no US citizens impacted. terrorist in jail. get both. Oh so now its okay that a faceless corporation gets to decide who's rights are violated? You are way the fuck off base here. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 4:59:52 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh so now its okay that a faceless corporation gets to decide who's rights are violated? You are way the fuck off base here. corporations don't already willingly cooperate and turn info over on other investigations of actual citizens? also - what rights? he wasn't a citizen. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 5:00:09 PM EST
[#47]
iPotato CEO Tim Cook prefers the "backdoor"
but not on his shitty commie built phones. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 5:01:11 PM EST
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Posted: 5/18/2020 5:04:30 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/88/86/498886743932570d6c2110482ec9b1e8.jpg Beat me to it with the Franklin quote. Freedom is scary, it's messy and has no place for feelings. Good for apple. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 5:06:27 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They handed over massive amounts of information from the shooter's iCloud storage as well as transactional data from the phone apps. |
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