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Posted: 1/8/2020 6:13:58 AM EST
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So what you're saying is they completely eliminated the entire point of having a CVT in the first place?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No cvts? Far too late for that, however we only have them in small vehicles, and they are totally a in-house designed and built transmission like pretty much all of our Transmissions No Jatco shit to speak of They also almost feel like normal automatic transmissions because they fake shift, they have eight false gears |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 6:15:05 AM EST
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The price of automobiles is too damn high Wife and I have enjoyed buying Japanese cars 3-5 years old with 40-50k miles. Knocks about 40% off the price, still reliable and look brand new inside and out. |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 9:46:03 AM EST
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The Hemi/ZF combo is absolutely fantastic. Now FCA just needs to ditch that knob. They want back to a normal shifter on the Durango in 2018, but that knob was on the center console instead of the dash like on the Ram. It does show they listen and are open to correcting unpopular designs. Knobs are for HVAC, not transmissions. Hopefully Ram has a shifter in it's future. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054249_jpg-1225769.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054342_jpg-1225770.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, I knew RAM trucks were on the upswing, but #2? Wow.  I traded my 16 for a 19 just for the trans. Knobs are for HVAC, not transmissions. Hopefully Ram has a shifter in it's future. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054249_jpg-1225769.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054342_jpg-1225770.JPG Most modern automatic transmissions don’t have mechanical linkages between the shifter and the transmission. Using a shift lever only means you have a bigger, more expensive electronic switch that takes up more space. In the Durango’s case, it was simple enough to move to the lever switch used in the Charger/Challenger. In the Ram, it doesn’t make any logical sense to move away from the dash mounted knob. |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 11:08:43 AM EST
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my thought too! The engine is even a little bit less efficient because it went back to multi-port fuel injection instead of gas Direction ejection Cvt's are fantastically efficient, they are simpler than aconventional automatic, often times smaller and you can get away with certain things from an engineering standpoint which can make it cheaper sometimes However, they do not tolerate shortcuts of any kind it seems, the assembly and parts tolerance/clearances have to be just so, material quality has to be up to Snuff on everything and the transmission control programming has to be smooth. So what seems easy on the surface is actually quite hard once you get past the first layer. |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 11:10:18 AM EST
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The Hemi/ZF combo is absolutely fantastic. Now FCA just needs to ditch that knob. They want back to a normal shifter on the Durango in 2018, but that knob was on the center console instead of the dash like on the Ram. It does show they listen and are open to correcting unpopular designs. Knobs are for HVAC, not transmissions. Hopefully Ram has a shifter in it's future. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054249_jpg-1225769.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054342_jpg-1225770.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, I knew RAM trucks were on the upswing, but #2? Wow. I traded my 16 for a 19 just for the trans. Knobs are for HVAC, not transmissions. Hopefully Ram has a shifter in it's future. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054249_jpg-1225769.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054342_jpg-1225770.JPG I'm used to moving the truck around the driveway with the door open and every single time I've tried, it starts moving then slams into park. I gotta figure out how to bypass it. |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 12:59:42 PM EST
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I don't mind the knob and have gotten used to it and actually really like it after driving my Ram for a month or more. But what they need to get rid of is that fucking AutoPark feature!!! I'm used to moving the truck around the driveway with the door open and every single time I've tried, it starts moving then slams into park. I gotta figure out how to bypass it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, I knew RAM trucks were on the upswing, but #2? Wow. I traded my 16 for a 19 just for the trans. Knobs are for HVAC, not transmissions. Hopefully Ram has a shifter in it's future. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054249_jpg-1225769.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054342_jpg-1225770.JPG I'm used to moving the truck around the driveway with the door open and every single time I've tried, it starts moving then slams into park. I gotta figure out how to bypass it. |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 1:11:28 PM EST
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The price of automobiles is too damn high |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 1:12:46 PM EST
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Ram keeps inching towards GM, and GM keeps making trucks with ugly cheap interiors, and the Silverado is hideous now. |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 1:27:21 PM EST
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I gotta figure out how to bypass it. |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 5:42:59 PM EST
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Buy a seat belt extender from Amazon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I gotta figure out how to bypass it. I'll probably just jumper the wires at the seatbelt plug. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 4:22:19 AM EST
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The Hemi/ZF combo is absolutely fantastic. Now FCA just needs to ditch that knob. They want back to a normal shifter on the Durango in 2018, but that knob was on the center console instead of the dash like on the Ram. It does show they listen and are open to correcting unpopular designs. Knobs are for HVAC, not transmissions. Hopefully Ram has a shifter in it's future. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054249_jpg-1225769.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054342_jpg-1225770.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, I knew RAM trucks were on the upswing, but #2? Wow. I traded my 16 for a 19 just for the trans. Knobs are for HVAC, not transmissions. Hopefully Ram has a shifter in it's future. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054249_jpg-1225769.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20200108_054342_jpg-1225770.JPG |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 6:26:06 AM EST
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The Jeep Gladiator was only available for half the year, yet it outsold each of the Ridgeline, Titan, and Canyon. That surprised me but is cool to see. Buy American. LINCOLN, Alabama — The redesigned, Alabama-built Honda Ridgeline pickup is now rolling on the automaker's Talladega County assembly lines. The 4,500-worker plant today officially marked the start of production for the 2017 model, with a lineoff celebration that featured more than 1,500 cheering employees |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 6:40:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what you're saying is they completely eliminated the entire point of having a CVT in the first place? |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 7:31:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ?? @ bisonbisonbison LINCOLN, Alabama — The redesigned, Alabama-built Honda Ridgeline pickup is now rolling on the automaker's Talladega County assembly lines. The 4,500-worker plant today officially marked the start of production for the 2017 model, with a lineoff celebration that featured more than 1,500 cheering employees |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 9:52:21 AM EST
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Face facts. It's Honda, your money goes to Tokyo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: ?? @ bisonbisonbison LINCOLN, Alabama — The redesigned, Alabama-built Honda Ridgeline pickup is now rolling on the automaker's Talladega County assembly lines. The 4,500-worker plant today officially marked the start of production for the 2017 model, with a lineoff celebration that featured more than 1,500 cheering employees https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Breaking-Fiat-Chrysler-and-Peugeot-Citroen-agree-to-merge/5-2267689/ Maybe "buy American" guy should be pimping the Ford Ranger or Chevy Colorado. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 10:53:56 AM EST
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Local dealer got a tremor in. Already sold, but black on black is
Matte black wheels with shiny black paint and chrome bumpers. 
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Posted: 1/9/2020 11:37:03 AM EST
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Local dealer got a tremor in. Already sold, but black on black is Matte black wheels with shiny black paint and chrome bumpers. Almost all the other options are greyscale bullshit. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 11:55:18 AM EST
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I think velocity blue might be the only acceptable answer to that question. Maybe white. Almost all the other options are greyscale bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Local dealer got a tremor in. Already sold, but black on black is Matte black wheels with shiny black paint and chrome bumpers. Almost all the other options are greyscale bullshit. That's what I'm probably going to order. The Rapid Red + Stone gray is also pretty good. But literally, 95% of the other vehicles I own are fucking red. And REALLY, REALLY, red. Peterbilt / Kenworth Viper Red. 
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Posted: 1/9/2020 12:19:25 PM EST
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Blue Jean Metallic + Stone Gray + Tremor kit = Badass. That's what I'm probably going to order. The Rapid Red + Stone gray is also pretty good. But literally, 95% of the other vehicles I own are fucking red. And REALLY, REALLY, red. Peterbilt / Kenworth Viper Red. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/148484/6CDE0582-2E5C-4C68-A92F-D6B61BE0B37A-1096184.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Local dealer got a tremor in. Already sold, but black on black is Matte black wheels with shiny black paint and chrome bumpers. Almost all the other options are greyscale bullshit. That's what I'm probably going to order. The Rapid Red + Stone gray is also pretty good. But literally, 95% of the other vehicles I own are fucking red. And REALLY, REALLY, red. Peterbilt / Kenworth Viper Red. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/148484/6CDE0582-2E5C-4C68-A92F-D6B61BE0B37A-1096184.jpg I don’t know if it fits the Tremor, though. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 12:33:20 PM EST
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Came in Fingers crossed the 19 body style silverados were a flop.
I'm disappointed.  Mother fuckers have to be Ray Charles blind to justify that back alley abortion on wheels to sit in their driveway. 
They make 07-13s look like show pieces and I thought those were fugly. That 7.3 pushrod Ford is looking better and better. Not sorry Chevy. Fugly truck is fugly truck. I won't reward your tundra getting drunk and taking the F150 home at closing time to pop that hideous thing out 9 months later. Better luck next time you design a truck.
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Posted: 1/9/2020 12:39:52 PM EST
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Overall auto sales are down 2% since 2018 and 2020 is projected to be flat or slightly negative. 
Bro. It doesn't even qualify for Picasso status. Looks good from a far, far from looking good. That thing is insanely hideous. Even from a far. .ashx?modified=20190702160633&mw=1440&hash=E6DA8532939593E2F66F60B9A68BA2EB7109C36E)
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Posted: 1/9/2020 12:40:33 PM EST
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1) They should combine the Silverado and Sierra numbers. Identical trucks except for cosmetics.
2) I will consider a Silverado when they uncheapen the interior and can get a 6.2 in the trail boss. They said 2020 but I have yet to see one. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 12:49:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think velocity blue might be the only acceptable answer to that question. Maybe white. Almost all the other options are greyscale bullshit. There's a dealer that does that somewhere... 
Far better than chevys shit box. Nothing can be done to improve the looks of those hideous things. (And I'm a chevy truck fanboi) That's okay. My 14 half ton and 16 3/4 ton look better and better each day. 
I'm convinced to keep them going forever if chevy stays the course with fugly trucks and just reward Ford and Ram for new. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 12:54:20 PM EST
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Lmfao Nissan. No surprise there. And the Silverado trucks are ugly as fuck compared to the Sierra's so no surprise there either. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 12:56:01 PM EST
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Classic 2 tone paints look awesome. There's a dealer that does that somewhere... https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ab/5c/23/ab5c2392b98f106363ab480632ea2744.jpg https://www.ford-trucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ford-F-250-Super-Duty-SEMA-1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/9/2020 1:06:23 PM EST
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Blue Jeans Metallic is my preferred color on the F-150. Other features are more important, but if I find myself truck shopping anytime soon, that’s what I’ll be looking for. I don’t know if it fits the Tremor, though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Local dealer got a tremor in. Already sold, but black on black is Matte black wheels with shiny black paint and chrome bumpers. Almost all the other options are greyscale bullshit. That's what I'm probably going to order. The Rapid Red + Stone gray is also pretty good. But literally, 95% of the other vehicles I own are fucking red. And REALLY, REALLY, red. Peterbilt / Kenworth Viper Red. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/148484/6CDE0582-2E5C-4C68-A92F-D6B61BE0B37A-1096184.jpg I don’t know if it fits the Tremor, though. I'm now stuck on that. But I think with my fleet plan, I get better deals on Lariats as they're still considered work trucks. But King ranch isn't. So It's going to come down to what my pricing is... Guess I gotta go talk to a dealer. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 2:11:17 PM EST
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The biggest loser is Nissan Motor Co. They are down 9%. What's concerning about Nissan is the pain is spread across their entire portfolio. The NV utility van is somehow up 18% to a modest 20k units per year, and the Altima is holding at 0%, but everything else under both the Nissan and Infiniti brands lost volume. CUVs, trucks, everything. I don't see any cause for hope, either. If they don't make big changes, the competition is going to eat their lunch. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels CVT are not ready for prime time yet. I wouldn't want to be their beta testers. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 2:22:32 PM EST
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I was looking at used cars and any car with a CVT was off my list. Many Nissans have a CVT. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels CVT are not ready for prime time yet. I wouldn't want to be their beta testers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The biggest loser is Nissan Motor Co. They are down 9%. What's concerning about Nissan is the pain is spread across their entire portfolio. The NV utility van is somehow up 18% to a modest 20k units per year, and the Altima is holding at 0%, but everything else under both the Nissan and Infiniti brands lost volume. CUVs, trucks, everything. I don't see any cause for hope, either. If they don't make big changes, the competition is going to eat their lunch. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels CVT are not ready for prime time yet. I wouldn't want to be their beta testers. The CVTs used by Toyota, Honda, and Subaru aren’t known to be troublesome. The Jatco units used by Nissan are lowest bidder and sketchy. If you want to avoid CVTs entirely, Mazda is your friend. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 2:38:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CVTs have been in mainstream use for a long damn time now. Over a decade with some brands. The CVTs used by Toyota, Honda, and Subaru aren’t known to be troublesome. The Jatco units used by Nissan are lowest bidder and sketchy. If you want to avoid CVTs entirely, Mazda is your friend. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 3:16:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can blame 72-84 month loans for that. 
I can't really hurt some feelz here as to why vehicles cost what they do. Thank liberal .gov mandates for that. And I can prove it. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 3:34:48 PM EST
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I can't really hurt some feelz here as to why vehicles cost what they do. Thank liberal .gov mandates for that. And I can prove it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can't really hurt some feelz here as to why vehicles cost what they do. Thank liberal .gov mandates for that. And I can prove it. But that’s not what American consumers want. Consumers want leather seats, ass fans, heated steering wheels, and multi-zone climate control. That shit costs money. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 4:17:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Basic commuter cars and work trucks are still available at relatively reasonable prices when adjusted for inflation. But that’s not what American consumers want. Consumers want leather seats, ass fans, heated steering wheels, and multi-zone climate control. That shit costs money. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 4:38:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Americans just WILL NOT buy vehicles within their means anymore, they used to statistically but for some reason something happened in the early to mid-2000s that changed all that. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 4:49:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Americans just WILL NOT buy vehicles within their means anymore, they used to statistically but for some reason something happened in the early to mid-2000s that changed all that. Half doors, 3.5EB 6.5 box, 4x4 with locker and skid plates, and tow package. Basic radio but has bluetooth and Sirius xm. Power windows(including back windows) and locks/mirrors and my driver seat is power with a split bench and cloth. Has the small 4.5 screen with backup camera but not a touch screen. Also has the basic climate control with A/C and rear window/mirror defrost. If you stay away from Leather heated/cooled sofas, big screens with nav and keep trucks simple with thought out useful options it's easy to get one for low 30s brand new. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 5:06:02 PM EST
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Posted: 1/9/2020 5:16:45 PM EST
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There's a $4000~Ish dollar difference between the King Ranch F350 Tremor to the Lariat F350 tremor. Same LED head lights, adaptive steering, adaptive cruise, 6.7 diesel, etc. Biggest difference is painted bumpers vs non painted bumpers and of course the KR interior. I'm now stuck on that. But I think with my fleet plan, I get better deals on Lariats as they're still considered work trucks. But King ranch isn't. So It's going to come down to what my pricing is... Guess I gotta go talk to a dealer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Local dealer got a tremor in. Already sold, but black on black is Matte black wheels with shiny black paint and chrome bumpers. Almost all the other options are greyscale bullshit. That's what I'm probably going to order. The Rapid Red + Stone gray is also pretty good. But literally, 95% of the other vehicles I own are fucking red. And REALLY, REALLY, red. Peterbilt / Kenworth Viper Red. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/148484/6CDE0582-2E5C-4C68-A92F-D6B61BE0B37A-1096184.jpg I don’t know if it fits the Tremor, though. I'm now stuck on that. But I think with my fleet plan, I get better deals on Lariats as they're still considered work trucks. But King ranch isn't. So It's going to come down to what my pricing is... Guess I gotta go talk to a dealer. Lariat Tremor without Sport Package  Attached FileLariat Tremor with Sport Package  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 6:09:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Basic commuter cars and work trucks are still available at relatively reasonable prices when adjusted for inflation. But that’s not what American consumers want. Consumers want leather seats, ass fans, heated steering wheels, and multi-zone climate control. That shit costs money. Unfortunately these basic needs are still considered luxuries and only available in higher priced models. |
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Posted: 1/9/2020 6:17:26 PM EST
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I just want power windows, power seats and A/C. Unfortunately these basic needs are still considered luxuries and only available in higher priced models. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/9/2020 6:18:40 PM EST
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Get the Sport Package on the to go with the Tremor Package. Lariat Tremor without Sport Package https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/tremor_png-1227533.JPG Lariat Tremor with Sport Package https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/tremorsport_png-1227536.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Local dealer got a tremor in. Already sold, but black on black is Matte black wheels with shiny black paint and chrome bumpers. Almost all the other options are greyscale bullshit. That's what I'm probably going to order. The Rapid Red + Stone gray is also pretty good. But literally, 95% of the other vehicles I own are fucking red. And REALLY, REALLY, red. Peterbilt / Kenworth Viper Red. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/148484/6CDE0582-2E5C-4C68-A92F-D6B61BE0B37A-1096184.jpg I don’t know if it fits the Tremor, though. I'm now stuck on that. But I think with my fleet plan, I get better deals on Lariats as they're still considered work trucks. But King ranch isn't. So It's going to come down to what my pricing is... Guess I gotta go talk to a dealer. Lariat Tremor without Sport Package https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/tremor_png-1227533.JPG Lariat Tremor with Sport Package https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/tremorsport_png-1227536.JPG Not a huge fan of the new King Ranch interiors. (Both of my current trucks are King Ranch trucks, but I like the new Lariat interior better... They kind of made the new KR's... gaudy.) |
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Posted: 1/10/2020 9:48:38 AM EST
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Yep, sold. Not a huge fan of the new King Ranch interiors. (Both of my current trucks are King Ranch trucks, but I like the new Lariat interior better... They kind of made the new KR's... gaudy.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Local dealer got a tremor in. Already sold, but black on black is Matte black wheels with shiny black paint and chrome bumpers. Almost all the other options are greyscale bullshit. That's what I'm probably going to order. The Rapid Red + Stone gray is also pretty good. But literally, 95% of the other vehicles I own are fucking red. And REALLY, REALLY, red. Peterbilt / Kenworth Viper Red. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/148484/6CDE0582-2E5C-4C68-A92F-D6B61BE0B37A-1096184.jpg I don’t know if it fits the Tremor, though. I'm now stuck on that. But I think with my fleet plan, I get better deals on Lariats as they're still considered work trucks. But King ranch isn't. So It's going to come down to what my pricing is... Guess I gotta go talk to a dealer. Lariat Tremor without Sport Package https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/tremor_png-1227533.JPG Lariat Tremor with Sport Package https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/tremorsport_png-1227536.JPG Not a huge fan of the new King Ranch interiors. (Both of my current trucks are King Ranch trucks, but I like the new Lariat interior better... They kind of made the new KR's... gaudy.) If the goal is to avoid chrome, I like the approach of the F-150 STX and Silverado RST. |
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Posted: 1/10/2020 9:54:52 AM EST
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I’m not a chrome enthusiast, but I’m really not a fan of the blacked out everything look. The worst offender is the Silverado Trail Boss. If the goal is to avoid chrome, I like the approach of the F-150 STX and Silverado RST. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Local dealer got a tremor in. Already sold, but black on black is Matte black wheels with shiny black paint and chrome bumpers. Almost all the other options are greyscale bullshit. That's what I'm probably going to order. The Rapid Red + Stone gray is also pretty good. But literally, 95% of the other vehicles I own are fucking red. And REALLY, REALLY, red. Peterbilt / Kenworth Viper Red. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/148484/6CDE0582-2E5C-4C68-A92F-D6B61BE0B37A-1096184.jpg I don’t know if it fits the Tremor, though. I'm now stuck on that. But I think with my fleet plan, I get better deals on Lariats as they're still considered work trucks. But King ranch isn't. So It's going to come down to what my pricing is... Guess I gotta go talk to a dealer. Lariat Tremor without Sport Package https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/tremor_png-1227533.JPG Lariat Tremor with Sport Package https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/tremorsport_png-1227536.JPG Not a huge fan of the new King Ranch interiors. (Both of my current trucks are King Ranch trucks, but I like the new Lariat interior better... They kind of made the new KR's... gaudy.) If the goal is to avoid chrome, I like the approach of the F-150 STX and Silverado RST. |
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Posted: 1/10/2020 9:56:01 AM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2020 10:07:44 AM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2020 10:20:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the thing... The Tundra isn't being held back by price. It's held back by production capacity. They sell every one they make at a relatively premium price. To put this in perspective, since 2013, Tundra sales have averaged 115,830 units per year, and the standard deviation over that time is 2,920 units. At ~2.5% of the average annual production, that's extremely consistent. For comparison, in that same time, F-Series sales have averaged 831,718 units per year, and the standard deviation is 68,077 units. That's a much more significant 8.2% of average annual production. When you consider all of the things that can cause downtime on a production line or encourage a manufacturer to cut shifts, the Tundra's numbers are damn near perfect. There is an argument that says Toyota is paying a massive opportunity cost by not investing in more production capacity by now. If you could go back to 2015 and magically double their capacity, how many units would they be have able to sell at current pricing? I can't answer that question, but I'd assume Toyota's business people have tried to. Toyota is expanding their truck capacity in Mexico. I don't know if that's just for the Tacoma, or if it will include the Tundra. Or maybe they move all Tacoma production to the new facility leaving San Antonio to be dedicated to the Tundra. Either way, there's a good chance we see expanded Tundra capacity and potentially bigger sales numbers in the near future. But they're never going to chase fleet sales, discounts, and incentives trying to pump up volume at the expense of margins trying to compete with the Big 3. |
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Posted: 1/10/2020 10:22:57 AM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2020 10:26:31 AM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2020 10:27:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's even worse than that, for Nissan, if you aren't paying ~$150 every 40k miles to have the fluid changed (the dealership will try to sell you on every 20k but that's b.s.) you will need to replace the damn thing. Just doing this somewhat negates any benefit of the CVT for fuel savings and if you end up burning out a transmission which is much easier to do than with a traditional unit, it puts the entire lifetime savings benefit of a CVT into the extreme negative column for the car. I had an '07 Dodge Caliber R/T and the CVT on that thing was solid and never needed special treatment over the 160k miles I owned it. If Dodge of all companies can get a CVT right, why can't Nissan? N-I-S-S-A-N
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Posted: 1/10/2020 11:50:06 AM EST
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Quoted: That's the thing... The Tundra isn't being held back by price. It's held back by production capacity. They sell every one they make at a relatively premium price. To put this in perspective, since 2013, Tundra sales have averaged 115,830 units per year, and the standard deviation over that time is 2,920 units. At ~2.5% of the average annual production, that's extremely consistent. For comparison, in that same time, F-Series sales have averaged 831,718 units per year, and the standard deviation is 68,077 units. That's a much more significant 8.2% of average annual production. When you consider all of the things that can cause downtime on a production line or encourage a manufacturer to cut shifts, the Tundra's numbers are damn near perfect. There is an argument that says Toyota is paying a massive opportunity cost by not investing in more production capacity by now. If you could go back to 2015 and magically double their capacity, how many units would they be have able to sell at current pricing? I can't answer that question, but I'd assume Toyota's business people have tried to. Toyota is expanding their truck capacity in Mexico. I don't know if that's just for the Tacoma, or if it will include the Tundra. Or maybe they move all Tacoma production to the new facility leaving San Antonio to be dedicated to the Tundra. Either way, there's a good chance we see expanded Tundra capacity and potentially bigger sales numbers in the near future. But they're never going to chase fleet sales, discounts, and incentives trying to pump up volume at the expense of margins trying to compete with the Big 3. The Tundra line runs at max capacity, Toyota doesn’t offer much in the way of discounts or incentives, and they sell well with little stale inventory. I did a search for all remaining new 2019 trucks in my area. I found: 913 F-150s 84 Silverado 1500s 42 Sierra 1500s 262 Ram 1500s And... 5 Tundras. In Jan 2020, there are only 5 2019 Tundras left in my metro area. For more context, there are only 172 total new Tundras available while there are 1,450 F-150s and 460 Silverado 1500s. The Tundra is old and not very competitive, but Toyota isn’t even pretending to play the same game as the Big 3, and they’re making great margins doing what they are doing. |
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Posted: 1/10/2020 12:02:14 PM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2020 12:21:38 PM EST
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