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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:39:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point fuck work. I’m GenX, mid 40’s, make six figures, but my career is not rewarding for me, I only do it for the money. And 99% of the time would rather be doing something else Where is the application to be a Warlord when SHTF? It's in your gun safe. But the interview process is a real bitch. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:40:46 AM EDT
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That article is Boomer jerkoff porn.
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:41:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean like the rude awakening that every preceding generation has experienced multiple times? Good grief, none of this is new or special…it’s part of life. The cycle of life. People have very short memories. I'm 43 and have seen three downturns in my life. The next one is always coming. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:41:57 AM EDT
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I agree overall with the author’s conclusion, but some of the arguments he uses to get there are pretty bad.
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:41:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a give in that a recession is coming so that's no shock to anyone and companies will be laying off . The feds like to lie on actual unemployment numbers but don't be surprised the actual number will be at the 20 % level of unemployed workers in the U.S 20%,? Where are you getting that number? |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:46:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That depends completely on the field. Young people going into the trades still have the upper hand and will for the foreseeable future. It seems like no one is going into the trades these days. We struggle to staff our jobs and it's only getting worse. My son just graduated from high school. No prior work experience. He fired off one "resume" and landed a job at a steel factory for $25/hr for first shift. More for working other shifts, holidays, etc. Full benefits, 401k, etc etc. It's a place that people were clamoring to get into before... if you didn't have a college degree, it was the place that people of all ages would wait for YEARS to get a position at. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:46:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps, but with boomer retirement in full swing, the labor market has become permanently tighter. We're at 3.6% unemployment with 11.5 million open jobs. That's 0.1% off the lowest recorded unemployment level. US corporate management culture hasn't adjusted to the shift in the employee / employer balance of power that has occurred. Current management and HR practices are predicated on the labor glut that has persisted for the past 30+ years due to the size of the baby boom generation. Employers assume they can lowball workers on compensation and easily replace those who don't like it. That is no longer a reasonable assumption. My dad is 76, born in 1946 the first of the Boomers and he is still working his engineering job for a major defense contractor. I don't think any of us expected our parents to still be working at 76, I didn't. He could have retired years ago, but he just doesn't want to, he loves what he does and his company loves the treasure trove of 51 years of accumulated knowledge that he brings. When he does retire, it's going to leave a hole that will be tough to plug. I'm convinced if he quits he won't fare well physically so I'm supportive though my mom and sister want him to retire. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:48:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's probably working fine, for now. But customers will slowly leave. Ever been to a restaurant and the food isn't as good as it used to be? Are you going to: A) write a letter to the owner explaining the food is different B) just eat somewhere else Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: boomer ceo outsources his call center to India. He is impressed with the low '5%' turnover and cheap wages. I'm sure his clients are impressed with the thick new accents and poor audio quality of his new help desk. Either way I don't think a 'rude awakening' is ahead for young employees. They already didn't want to work for him. When his offshore callcenter collapses it will mostly affect him. Are you going to: A) write a letter to the owner explaining the food is different B) just eat somewhere else |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:53:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps, but with boomer retirement in full swing, the labor market has become permanently tighter. We're at 3.6% unemployment with 11.5 million open jobs. That's 0.1% off the lowest recorded unemployment level. US corporate management culture hasn't adjusted to the shift in the employee / employer balance of power that has occurred. Current management and HR practices are predicated on the labor glut that has persisted for the past 30+ years due to the size of the baby boom generation. Employers assume they can lowball workers on compensation and easily replace those who don't like it. That is no longer a reasonable assumption. Reasonable point, but how is unemployment being measured? We still excluding (because it made the numbers look better) all of those people 'not looking for permanent employment'? The article is hilarious. Workers in this country for the last 30 years or so haven't had wages keep up with inflation (see point above for the CPI, on artificially juicing numbers; see also, the Rand Corporation study of a few years ago, examining US income deciles' performance over the last 40 years), have only recently started to change that trend, and guys like this are still butthurt about it? Gee, it sucks to get treated like a commodity, doesn't it, Mr. Employer? Go ahead, threaten to outsource your business. Not like you haven't been doing just that since the early 90's or so. The workers will find something else to do. Hopefully for the rest of us, that something isn't a Jacobin-inspired crusade and purge. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:55:09 AM EDT
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It grinds my gears when I hear that US companies are outsourcing jobs to India.
There are generally all sorts of excuses, but when pressed it all comes down to the bottom dollar. They are paying Indian workers peanuts and minimal if any benefits. The thing that is frustrating is that these companies know the quality will be reduced, however the mentality is "Numerous other large corporations outsource to India, so we should too"...... think of it as the "New Normal". The thing that they forget is that if they simply re-evaluated their current processes and made an investment in technology, they would be far better off. I had an issue with a large insurance company when my son was born. After several calls and getting "Alllooo my name is Steve" with no results, I asked where I was calling as I believe there is a language/cultural barrier. I was told they were offshore based in India, but they would connect me to their onshore team. The onshore team was able to rectify the problem and answer questions in 5 minutes. But hey at the end of the day, the more Indians that are employed probably means we are getting less scam calls "This is Microsoft and there is a problem with your computer" or "This is the IRS, there is a problem with your Social Security number"  |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:55:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: boomer ceo outsources his call center to India. He is impressed with the low '5%' turnover and cheap wages. I'm sure his clients are impressed with the thick new accents and poor audio quality of his new help desk. Either way I don't think a 'rude awakening' is ahead for young employees. They already didn't want to work for him. When his offshore callcenter collapses it will mostly affect him. All of this, but it's a race to the bottom. When all meaningful replacement choices end up forced to do the same thing within a given economic strata, you can shake your fist at the shitty customer service, but there's no place else to go. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 9:59:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It grinds my gears when I hear that US companies are outsourcing jobs to India. There are generally all sorts of excuses, but when pressed it all comes down to the bottom dollar. They are paying Indian workers peanuts and minimal if any benefits. The thing that is frustrating is that these companies know the quality will be reduced, however the mentality is "Numerous other large corporations outsource to India, so we should too"...... think of it as the "New Normal". The thing that they forget is that if they simply re-evaluated their current processes and made an investment in technology, they would be far better off. I had an issue with a large insurance company when my son was born. After several calls and getting "Alllooo my name is Steve" with no results, I asked where I was calling as I believe there is a language/cultural barrier. I was told they were offshore based in India, but they would connect me to their onshore team. The onshore team was able to rectify the problem and answer questions in 5 minutes. But hey at the end of the day, the more Indians that are employed probably means we are getting less scam calls "This is Microsoft and there is a problem with your computer" or "This is the IRS, there is a problem with your Social Security number" What do you think those fuckers are doing in between calls? |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:01:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 20%,? Where are you getting that number? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's a give in that a recession is coming so that's no shock to anyone and companies will be laying off . The feds like to lie on actual unemployment numbers but don't be surprised the actual number will be at the 20 % level of unemployed workers in the U.S 20%,? Where are you getting that number? Considering that there is no federal agency that collects national unemployment data I would say he made it up. Sure BLS manipulates the numbers for various things but all the data comes from state level agencies that report it to BLS. State level numbers can also be manipulated, such as when a Governor wants to hide all the unemployed people by waiving the requirement to look for work during covid and then immediately removing all new unemployed people from the workforce number claiming they are a disenfranchised worker who is no longer seeking work. There is no coordinated effort from Fed to each state to generate fake numbers for the purpose of lying to the public. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:01:13 AM EDT
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1) This guy is a moron.
2) Outsourcing to India is so 2005. The early adopters made out well but it's not some magic money making scheme that will instantly guarantee profits for your company. 3) Most importantly, and frightening to me, is if you think the appeal of socialism is a problem in this country right now, imagine when we're in a depression/recession with high unemployment. Seriously the same boomers who complain about the appeal of idiots like AOC then go and laugh and gloat about the potential for mass layoffs. 
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:01:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know a bunch of places that have lost workers just like that. One girl volunteered to stay late and help put up the Christmas decorations after they were taken down, and she was handing boxes up the ladder to the attic and the guy on top of the ladder dropped a box on her head. No fault of hers. Tested at the clinic. Fired. For weed. Fucking stupid. She had another job instantly and they were out a good employee that everyone loved who would have stayed there for years. Her best friend quit with her. So two gone. It's almost like you should stop drug testing people for stupid fucking reasons. Or something. I used to work in the office for a temp labor company. We dealt with unskilled (bottom of the barrel) and skilled workers. When someone got injured on the job, they were taken to get whatever the injury was looked at and given a drug/alcohol test. It was protection for us from getting sued. If they tried to sue, and we had the proof that they were high or drunk it was a no-go lawsuit. That being said, with weed being legalized and decriminalized in many places, these practices need to be changed. I'm not sure how, but changes are needed. Just because you test positive for weed, doesn't mean you are high at that moment... unless testing has gotten much better than I was aware of. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:03:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have the luxury of this attitude because of those before you who worked hard, were principled, and built, far and away, the most prosperous nation in the history of the world. The point of this article is that hard times are coming and you won't always have this luxury. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd rather not work than have to deal with that blow hard everyday. Unemployment probably pays better anyway. You have the luxury of this attitude because of those before you who worked hard, were principled, and built, far and away, the most prosperous nation in the history of the world. The point of this article is that hard times are coming and you won't always have this luxury. I’ll still refuse to work for that blow hard or any blow hard like him. Call it going Galt. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:07:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any company that uses India based services should be charged triple their federal taxes. For health care of all things. I wonder what his yearly bonus is. The CEO of our nonprofit hospital made over 2 million a year above and beyond his salary as departments has trouble just keeping the tools they needed to do their job in stock. Eta: same hospital was the victim of the hostage scheme, where all the data is held hostage for a payoff. Not once. Not twice. But 3 times. Meanwhile nonprofit CEO still gets bonus while the hospital system remains one of the most poorly managed in the region. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:07:59 AM EDT
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If there is a more out of touch sector whose leaders have no business lecturing anyone on reality…it’s healthcare services. I’d listen to a lecture from a rural strip club owner over this chode.
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:08:21 AM EDT
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Young millenial employees are horrible. I had a 1st year ME graduate resign for $10k more a year. Took a job 50 miles away for $10k more.
He was making mid $70k salary, just got a 10% bonus, a raise, had 401k, full med benes (80/20 with $250 deductible), dental. He was a Project Engineer, very empowered, was good at most of what he did. Millenials cannot take any criticizim of their work. I had to start to get involved with his projects once he gave notice, and I started calling him out on a lot of it. He told me to stop being condescending, and a day later he walked out. 3 days into his 2 weeks. Fuck them. I hope their egos get crushed by whats coming. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:08:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean like the rude awakening that every preceding generation has experienced multiple times? Good grief, none of this is new or special…it’s part of life. This. There is nothing new, under the sun. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:09:16 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point fuck work. I’m GenX, mid 40’s, make six figures, but my career is not rewarding for me, I only do it for the money. And 99% of the time would rather be doing something else Where is the application to be a Warlord when SHTF? Holy fuck, I read this comment and thought I subconsciously got a new arf account, cause this is EXACTLY HOW I FEEL!!! |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:09:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His unlikable position makes you blind to the truth he's telling. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: “You’re all ungrateful and lazy, that’s why I took our business to India! Now you’ll suffer, hahahahaha….. and my employee issues had nothing to do with pay or work environment. You should be thankful I even allowed you in my company!” His unlikable position makes you blind to the truth he's telling. No, there are two sides to every story. The truth he is telling isn’t wrong; the way he ran his company is probably more of a contributing factor to his employee issues than he is willing to admit. It’s a call center, that use case is like shooting fish in a barrel if you’re looking for something to base your article critical of the current work force off of. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:12:15 AM EDT
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How many times have we heard "this time is different" and then it really isn't. Somethings are different this time around for sure and there will be a rude awaking for people on both sides. The general nature of capitalism though hasn't change and things will balance out.
Right now boomer bosses are ordering people back to the office. One contract I'm working has new boomer leadership installed. The guy keeps ranting about "telecommuting is not a right and only started with covid". WTF, who uses the term telecommuting anymore? Does he think people are using their land lines to dial in on their modems? That is how out of touch with reality he sounded. He is trying to blame another entity for the requirement to come into the office but no one believes in. He also said no one living outside the state can for him. That just eliminated 98% of the talent in the work force to fill the positions we were already struggling to fill. Unless unemployment skyrockets and people are desperate for any job again, he is in for a rude awakening. On the other hand you have employees at tech companies like Twitter and LinkedIn that claim they work 4 to 10 hours a week while pulling in a high silicone valley full time salary. That is the extreme but a lot of younger Millennials and Gen Z have adopted the "my mental health is my first/only priority" when it comes work. They roll in around 10 with their Starbucks, do something for an hour, get some lunch, work a bit, go for an afternoon Starbucks run, and then finish out the afternoon. I see that type of attitude and work ethic everywhere. Those types of employees will be in for the rude awakening when budget tightens, their workload doubles, and a lot of the perks disappear. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:12:15 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: boomer ceo outsources his call center to India. He is impressed with the low '5%' turnover and cheap wages. I'm sure his clients are impressed with the thick new accents and poor audio quality of his new help desk. Either way I don't think a 'rude awakening' is ahead for young employees. They already didn't want to work for him. When his offshore callcenter collapses it will mostly affect him. Employers want needy slaves, & outsourcing & H1B gets them closer to that lofty ideal. They just don't have the balls to admit it publicly. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:15:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The cycle of life. People have very short memories. I'm 43 and have seen three downturns in my life. The next one is always coming. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You mean like the rude awakening that every preceding generation has experienced multiple times? Good grief, none of this is new or special…it’s part of life. The cycle of life. People have very short memories. I'm 43 and have seen three downturns in my life. The next one is always coming. Yup, they seem to happen about every 8 to 10 years. It’s almost like people just memory hole bad shit and forget about it and act all shocked when they get walked in to HR (now a zoom call) and are told to hit the bricks and good luck. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:19:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Young millenial employees are horrible. I had a 1st year ME graduate resign for $10k more a year. Took a job 50 miles away for $10k more. He was making mid $70k salary, just got a 10% bonus, a raise, had 401k, full med benes (80/20 with $250 deductible), dental. He was a Project Engineer, very empowered, was good at most of what he did. Millenials cannot take any criticizim of their work. I had to start to get involved with his projects once he gave notice, and I started calling him out on a lot of it. He told me to stop being condescending, and a day later he walked out. 3 days into his 2 weeks. Fuck them. I hope their egos get crushed by whats coming. Boomer trolling? Lol. Guy left for a $10K raise during massive inflation how can you possibly be upset about that?  And he had the audacity to leave before 2 weeks? I'm sure if the company had "quit" and ended the employment they would have walked him out pronto. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:20:35 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I agree with a lot of the comments dragging him. "ok Boomer" sums it up. The fact is, the guy is thinking "all these businesses are going to have their labor costs go down!" when the reality is "you dun gone out o biddness boy" |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:24:23 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you get what you pay for? Funny how that works on both sides of the spectrum. Also i'm still blown away that India outsourcing is still a thing. I remember in the late 90's/early-00's my friends in IT bitching about this and they showed how much money they really weren't saving and brought most/all services back stateside. What's old is new again I guess. It goes in cycles.... Management wants to squeeze profits so management outsources to India... Numbers look great for a few quarters/years, then it falls off the rails... Management can't fix it, so they leave with their golden parachutes. New management comes in, moves everything back to states.. Quality goes up, but margin gets tighter. Goes well for a few years, then someone wants to squeeze profits again, management quits with their golden parachutes, new management comes in and outsources to India, numbers look good for a few quarters/years.. Then falls off the rails.. Rinse and repeat... Been going on forever. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:26:44 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Young millenial employees are horrible. I had a 1st year ME graduate resign for $10k more a year. Took a job 50 miles away for $10k more. He was making mid $70k salary, just got a 10% bonus, a raise, had 401k, full med benes (80/20 with $250 deductible), dental. He was a Project Engineer, very empowered, was good at most of what he did. Millenials cannot take any criticizim of their work. I had to start to get involved with his projects once he gave notice, and I started calling him out on a lot of it. He told me to stop being condescending, and a day later he walked out. 3 days into his 2 weeks. Fuck them. I hope their egos get crushed by whats coming. It’s your fault for not creating a culture of respect. $50 says you never made him stand at parade rest while addressing superiors. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:27:04 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We're at 3.6% unemployment with 11.5 million open jobs. That's 0.1% off the lowest recorded unemployment level. Now do the labor participation rate. Hint, it's at a 45 year low. Unemployment numbers are a joke. People aren't looking for work. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:29:54 AM EDT
[#31]
Both of my grandfathers started families during the Great Depression.
Both of them stayed at their jobs for their entire working lives. One grandfather got a BS in Electrical Engineering and 2 Masters Degrees one in Electrical Engineering and another in Mechanical Engineering. He worked his way through school and supported a family. He was underemployed for his entire career staying on as the Head of a Maintenance Department at a College. My other Grandfather never completed the 3rd grade and had difficulty reading a newspaper. He worked as a Foreman laying pipe for Natural Gas and repairing leaks. Both of these men didn't skip jobs....never had any stimulus money or welfare. Both built their own homes. Both could fix damn near anything. The grandfather who got his degrees was raised by his mom alone after his father and older sister passed away from Tuberculosis in 1918. Both worked worked jobs as kids to help support their families. Both grandfathers told me to go to college and don't borrow money and to always save money even during the bad times. This message was repeated to me by my father who repeatedly told me to always live below my means. Tough times make tough men Good times make soft men My Grandpa's were very hard core men. My boss at my first job after High School was a WW2 Vet he was hard core as well You just didn't fuck around on the job with that man You showed up on time, always polite and formal, worked your butt off and you were happy to have a job. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:30:07 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 20%,? Where are you getting that number? We have had 10% during a recession before and the next one could be close to 1929 levels that were in the 25% range There's no way our government would ever report the actual numbers now if it reaches those levels . It's fucking coming so plan accordingly |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:36:34 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For health care of all things. I wonder what his yearly bonus is. The CEO of our nonprofit hospital made over 2 million a year above and beyond his salary as departments has trouble just keeping the tools they needed to do their job in stock. Eta: same hospital was the victim of the hostage scheme, where all the data is held hostage for a payoff. Not once. Not twice. But 3 times. Meanwhile nonprofit CEO still gets bonus while the hospital system remains one of the most poorly managed in the region. LOL... As a fellow IT guy in GA... At a hospital.. I'm just nodding and smiling. We probably know the same people/stories... and we are both underpaid.... |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:39:39 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Young millenial employees are horrible. I had a 1st year ME graduate resign for $10k more a year. Took a job 50 miles away for $10k more. He was making mid $70k salary, just got a 10% bonus, a raise, had 401k, full med benes (80/20 with $250 deductible), dental. He was a Project Engineer, very empowered, was good at most of what he did. Millenials cannot take any criticizim of their work. I had to start to get involved with his projects once he gave notice, and I started calling him out on a lot of it. He told me to stop being condescending, and a day later he walked out. 3 days into his 2 weeks. Fuck them. I hope their egos get crushed by whats coming. Project Engineer for 75k... LOL found the problem. As a GenX'er myself i read your post and i wouldn't want to work for you. Why waste your time calling him out after he resigned. The employee was over you, and the company, and you aren't paying enough, but he found more. I hope he leaves the new place in a year or two to make the 100k he deserved. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:40:15 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Boomer trolling? Lol. Guy left for a $10K raise during massive inflation how can you possibly be upset about that? And he had the audacity to leave before 2 weeks? I'm sure if the company had "quit" and ended the employment they would have walked him out pronto. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Young millenial employees are horrible. I had a 1st year ME graduate resign for $10k more a year. Took a job 50 miles away for $10k more. He was making mid $70k salary, just got a 10% bonus, a raise, had 401k, full med benes (80/20 with $250 deductible), dental. He was a Project Engineer, very empowered, was good at most of what he did. Millenials cannot take any criticizim of their work. I had to start to get involved with his projects once he gave notice, and I started calling him out on a lot of it. He told me to stop being condescending, and a day later he walked out. 3 days into his 2 weeks. Fuck them. I hope their egos get crushed by whats coming. Boomer trolling? Lol. Guy left for a $10K raise during massive inflation how can you possibly be upset about that? And he had the audacity to leave before 2 weeks? I'm sure if the company had "quit" and ended the employment they would have walked him out pronto. That and the fact that for young engineers you usually need to company hop for a few years to increase your salary quicker because these 3% yearly raises don't add up to shit. I doubled my salary in 7 years by switching companies 3 times. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:40:16 AM EDT
[#36]
Good times create soft men, soft men create hard times, hard times create hard men, hard men create good times.
Where are we at in the cycle? |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:42:29 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck, I read this comment and thought I subconsciously got a new arf account, cause this is EXACTLY HOW I FEEL!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At this point fuck work. I’m GenX, mid 40’s, make six figures, but my career is not rewarding for me, I only do it for the money. And 99% of the time would rather be doing something else Where is the application to be a Warlord when SHTF? Holy fuck, I read this comment and thought I subconsciously got a new arf account, cause this is EXACTLY HOW I FEEL!!! GenX here too... Ditto.. fuck all this bullshit in corp America.. I mostly want to watch the boomers freak out when the millennials are wanting to get a 4 day work week 100% remote... Only to listen to the boomers brag about how they worked 80 hours a week for 50 years and still have nothing saved for retirement and or don't have any idea what to do in retirement because they have no hobbies, no life, cuz they worked too much. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:43:27 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both of my grandfathers started families during the Great Depression. Both of them stayed at their jobs for their entire working lives. One grandfather got a BS in Electrical Engineering and 2 Masters Degrees one in Electrical Engineering and another in Mechanical Engineering. He worked his way through school and supported a family. He was underemployed for his entire career staying on as the Head of a Maintenance Department at a College. My other Grandfather never completed the 3rd grade and had difficulty reading a newspaper. He worked as a Foreman laying pipe for Natural Gas and repairing leaks. Both of these men didn't skip jobs....never had any stimulus money or welfare. Both built their own homes. Both could fix damn near anything. The grandfather who got his degrees was raised by his mom alone after his father and older sister passed away from Tuberculosis in 1918. Both worked worked jobs as kids to help support their families. Both grandfathers told me to go to college and don't borrow money and to always save money even during the bad times. This message was repeated to me by my father who repeatedly told me to always live below my means. Tough times make tough men Good times make soft men My Grandpa's were very hard core men. My boss at my first job after High School was a WW2 Vet he was hard core as well You just didn't fuck around on the job with that man You showed up on time, always polite and formal, worked your butt off and you were happy to have a job. Hard men, but not perfect (generation-ally speaking; no offense to your grandfathers). That generation coddled their kids, who in turn had their own spoiled and rebellious phase but now unironically criticize millennials for being lazy. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:44:59 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On the other hand you have employees at tech companies like Twitter and LinkedIn that claim they work 4 to 10 hours a week while pulling in a high silicone valley full time salary. That is the extreme but a lot of younger Millennials and Gen Z have adopted the "my mental health is my first/only priority" when it comes work. They roll in around 10 with their Starbucks, do something for an hour, get some lunch, work a bit, go for an afternoon Starbucks run, and then finish out the afternoon. I see that type of attitude and work ethic everywhere. Those types of employees will be in for the rude awakening when budget tightens, their workload doubles, and a lot of the perks disappear. So you're saying they are already ready for upper management then? Cuz thats what i read... |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:49:21 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Boomer trolling? Lol. Guy left for a $10K raise during massive inflation how can you possibly be upset about that? And he had the audacity to leave before 2 weeks? I'm sure if the company had "quit" and ended the employment they would have walked him out pronto. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Young millenial employees are horrible. I had a 1st year ME graduate resign for $10k more a year. Took a job 50 miles away for $10k more. He was making mid $70k salary, just got a 10% bonus, a raise, had 401k, full med benes (80/20 with $250 deductible), dental. He was a Project Engineer, very empowered, was good at most of what he did. Millenials cannot take any criticizim of their work. I had to start to get involved with his projects once he gave notice, and I started calling him out on a lot of it. He told me to stop being condescending, and a day later he walked out. 3 days into his 2 weeks. Fuck them. I hope their egos get crushed by whats coming. Boomer trolling? Lol. Guy left for a $10K raise during massive inflation how can you possibly be upset about that? And he had the audacity to leave before 2 weeks? I'm sure if the company had "quit" and ended the employment they would have walked him out pronto. He only left before the two weeks because as his boss stated he was "calling him out"... IE micromanaging and probably being a dick about it. So the employee said fuck this i dont need it see ya. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:55:36 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know a bunch of places that have lost workers just like that. One girl volunteered to stay late and help put up the Christmas decorations after they were taken down, and she was handing boxes up the ladder to the attic and the guy on top of the ladder dropped a box on her head. No fault of hers. Tested at the clinic. Fired. For weed. Fucking stupid. She had another job instantly and they were out a good employee that everyone loved who would have stayed there for years. Her best friend quit with her. So two gone. It's almost like you should stop drug testing people for stupid fucking reasons. Or something. Mandated by Insurance companies no doubt. Need to get Weed legalized because damn near everyone is doing it.  Except me, I can't afford to lose my job.
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:58:09 AM EDT
[#42]
Good.
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:58:16 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now do the labor participation rate. Hint, it's at a 45 year low. Unemployment numbers are a joke. People aren't looking for work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We're at 3.6% unemployment with 11.5 million open jobs. That's 0.1% off the lowest recorded unemployment level. Now do the labor participation rate. Hint, it's at a 45 year low. Unemployment numbers are a joke. People aren't looking for work. Labor force participation declining is due to a bunch of factors. A huge one is average age. we're getting old collectively  At the other end of the spectrum, fewer teenagers work than in the past  yet labor participation for those in their prime working years has actually improved over recent years. 
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Posted: 7/6/2022 10:59:41 AM EDT
[#44]
lol boomer noises
GTFO |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 11:06:21 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Project Engineer for 75k... LOL found the problem. As a GenX'er myself i read your post and i wouldn't want to work for you. Why waste your time calling him out after he resigned. The employee was over you, and the company, and you aren't paying enough, but he found more. I hope he leaves the new place in a year or two to make the 100k he deserved. Literally months out of college with no experience, in a depressed shithole of an area who couldn't finish some of the basics of his job - very basic stuff? He was talented in design, but following through with the final 5% of the job (detailing, BOM, shop prints) was non existent... but he's worth 6 figures? Ok. People like you are why people like me hate to be in business. I barely make over 6 figures, and I destroy myself here day and night. Try it sometime. I'll do it myself, it'll be done right, and I won't have to worry about it being fucked up. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 11:20:16 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point fuck work. I’m GenX, mid 40’s, make six figures, but my career is not rewarding for me, I only do it for the money. And 99% of the time would rather be doing something else Where is the application to be a Warlord when SHTF? Same boat and will gladly be your right hand executioner. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 11:23:02 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally months out of college with no experience, in a depressed shithole of an area who couldn't finish some of the basics of his job - very basic stuff? He was talented in design, but following through with the final 5% of the job (detailing, BOM, shop prints) was non existent... but he's worth 6 figures? Ok. People like you are why people like me hate to be in business. I barely make over 6 figures, and I destroy myself here day and night. Try it sometime. I'll do it myself, it'll be done right, and I won't have to worry about it being fucked up. $100K now? Maybe not yet, but he was apparently able to get a $10K raise, so he is worth more than your company was paying him. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 11:28:05 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Young millenial employees are horrible. I had a 1st year ME graduate resign for $10k more a year. Took a job 50 miles away for $10k more. He was making mid $70k salary, just got a 10% bonus, a raise, had 401k, full med benes (80/20 with $250 deductible), dental. He was a Project Engineer, very empowered, was good at most of what he did. Millenials cannot take any criticizim of their work. I had to start to get involved with his projects once he gave notice, and I started calling him out on a lot of it. He told me to stop being condescending, and a day later he walked out. 3 days into his 2 weeks. Fuck them. I hope their egos get crushed by whats coming. Sounds like he made the right choice. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 11:28:58 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally months out of college with no experience, in a depressed shithole of an area who couldn't finish some of the basics of his job - very basic stuff? He was talented in design, but following through with the final 5% of the job (detailing, BOM, shop prints) was non existent... but he's worth 6 figures? Ok. People like you are why people like me hate to be in business. I barely make over 6 figures, and I destroy myself here day and night. Try it sometime. I'll do it myself, it'll be done right, and I won't have to worry about it being fucked up. Yea man you don't sound great to work for. You're the only one that can do it right.. Yea i've worked with hundreds of you guys... That kid is worth what the market says he is worth. It said it was at least 10k more than you were offering.... Try what? Working around the clock "destroying" myself for 100kish? I W2'ed double that last year and i rarely work over 40 hours.. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 11:33:44 AM EDT
[#50]
Initial Covid shutdowns (not the following checks and unemployment payments increase) *hopefully* gave younger workers a taste of the need for job security. While recession and pandemic arn't the same thing, it definitely shook the playing field. People in non-essential jobs were laid off or had decreased pay. I, for one, switched to a more secure group. It wasn't just because of this, but that was one reason for the switch. We've also decreased liabilities and tried to broaden our investments a bit.
I'm 34 and she's 30 so while we were alive for the last one, neither of us were really affected. While we arn't changing our lives and living in a bunker, we are definitely changing some things with the possibility of things going downhill. |
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