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Originally Posted By guns762:
Interesting update. Just did some measuring of our two halves, and it equals 29ft and some change; not the 28ft that it should be given our blue prints. Pretty sure I know how this happened. Someone can't read a tape measure, and a teacher didn't double check. We also are about 1.03% wider too. This I knew might happen, given the ribbing. I guess it's not that big of deal, we just grew roughly 1% all the way around, but we are going to need that entire display area. At an angle coming down, and also diagonally, we should be good, but it might making finding beams in the ceiling in the right areas a little more challenging. View Quote Have it hitting a mine and sinking in two pieces? |
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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Have it hitting a mine and sinking in two pieces? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Originally Posted By guns762: Interesting update. Just did some measuring of our two halves, and it equals 29ft and some change; not the 28ft that it should be given our blue prints. Pretty sure I know how this happened. Someone can't read a tape measure, and a teacher didn't double check. We also are about 1.03% wider too. This I knew might happen, given the ribbing. I guess it's not that big of deal, we just grew roughly 1% all the way around, but we are going to need that entire display area. At an angle coming down, and also diagonally, we should be good, but it might making finding beams in the ceiling in the right areas a little more challenging. Have it hitting a mine and sinking in two pieces? |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Interesting update.
Just did some measuring of our two halves, and it equals 29ft and some change; not the 28ft that it should be given our blue prints. Pretty sure I know how this happened. Someone can't read a tape measure, and a teacher didn't double check. We also are about 1.03% wider too. This I knew might happen, given the ribbing. I guess it's not that big of deal, we just grew roughly 1% all the way around, but we are going to need that entire display area. At an angle coming down, and also diagonally, we should be good, but it might making finding beams in the ceiling in the right areas a little more challenging. View Quote If she's diving, you're going to have a helluva time matching up the bow and stern if you don't bolt her together before she's hoisted. It would be difficult to get her straight in the air were she level. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: If she's diving, you're going to have a helluva time matching up the bow and stern if you don't bolt her together before she's hoisted. It would be difficult to get her straight in the air were she level. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By guns762: Interesting update. Just did some measuring of our two halves, and it equals 29ft and some change; not the 28ft that it should be given our blue prints. Pretty sure I know how this happened. Someone can't read a tape measure, and a teacher didn't double check. We also are about 1.03% wider too. This I knew might happen, given the ribbing. I guess it's not that big of deal, we just grew roughly 1% all the way around, but we are going to need that entire display area. At an angle coming down, and also diagonally, we should be good, but it might making finding beams in the ceiling in the right areas a little more challenging. If she's diving, you're going to have a helluva time matching up the bow and stern if you don't bolt her together before she's hoisted. It would be difficult to get her straight in the air were she level. |
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Originally Posted By Dilbert_556: I wonder if a couple of built-in guide rods would help? I'm thinking 3 feet or so of PVC pipe on one half, and wooden dowels on the other side. That way if they can get the two halves in close enough alignment to get the dowels into the pipes, they would true up the structure as it's drawn together. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dilbert_556: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By guns762: Interesting update. Just did some measuring of our two halves, and it equals 29ft and some change; not the 28ft that it should be given our blue prints. Pretty sure I know how this happened. Someone can't read a tape measure, and a teacher didn't double check. We also are about 1.03% wider too. This I knew might happen, given the ribbing. I guess it's not that big of deal, we just grew roughly 1% all the way around, but we are going to need that entire display area. At an angle coming down, and also diagonally, we should be good, but it might making finding beams in the ceiling in the right areas a little more challenging. If she's diving, you're going to have a helluva time matching up the bow and stern if you don't bolt her together before she's hoisted. It would be difficult to get her straight in the air were she level. Seems like a good idea. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
If she's diving, you're going to have a helluva time matching up the bow and stern if you don't bolt her together before she's hoisted. It would be difficult to get her straight in the air were she level. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By guns762: Interesting update.
Just did some measuring of our two halves, and it equals 29ft and some change; not the 28ft that it should be given our blue prints. Pretty sure I know how this happened. Someone can't read a tape measure, and a teacher didn't double check. We also are about 1.03% wider too. This I knew might happen, given the ribbing. I guess it's not that big of deal, we just grew roughly 1% all the way around, but we are going to need that entire display area. At an angle coming down, and also diagonally, we should be good, but it might making finding beams in the ceiling in the right areas a little more challenging. If she's diving, you're going to have a helluva time matching up the bow and stern if you don't bolt her together before she's hoisted. It would be difficult to get her straight in the air were she level. We've done this with the dragon, so I know it's possible, but we are thinking of doing the guide rod thing with 1x2s |
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If the problem is due to being 1 foot over, could the team take out a couple of 6 inch sections and splice it back together?
Also, tomorrow morning write on your board: "Measure twice, cut once." |
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Guns,
great work going on there. I've followed your other builds as well. My wife is a H.S. Biology and Chemistry teacher. Their mascot is Vikings, she is really digging the viking ship and is going to share it with her principle and art department. She was very glad to see the rubric, said it would make it a little easier selling it. I honestly don't know how you get the time to do this stuff, my wife's school is a level 5 school, the teachers put in so much extra time planning, meeting, professional development and all that other crap. |
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Originally Posted By guns762:
Interesting update. Just did some measuring of our two halves, and it equals 29ft and some change; not the 28ft that it should be given our blue prints. Pretty sure I know how this happened. Someone can't read a tape measure, and a teacher didn't double check. We also are about 1.03% wider too. This I knew might happen, given the ribbing. I guess it's not that big of deal, we just grew roughly 1% all the way around, but we are going to need that entire display area. At an angle coming down, and also diagonally, we should be good, but it might making finding beams in the ceiling in the right areas a little more challenging. View Quote I'll bet they measured BETWEEN the frame sections, and not from one to the next. That would explain the growth. |
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Originally Posted By ASUsax:
I'll bet they measured BETWEEN the frame sections, and not from one to the next. That would explain the growth. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ASUsax:
Originally Posted By guns762:
Interesting update. Just did some measuring of our two halves, and it equals 29ft and some change; not the 28ft that it should be given our blue prints. Pretty sure I know how this happened. Someone can't read a tape measure, and a teacher didn't double check. We also are about 1.03% wider too. This I knew might happen, given the ribbing. I guess it's not that big of deal, we just grew roughly 1% all the way around, but we are going to need that entire display area. At an angle coming down, and also diagonally, we should be good, but it might making finding beams in the ceiling in the right areas a little more challenging. I'll bet they measured BETWEEN the frame sections, and not from one to the next. That would explain the growth. My suggestion also. I bet they didn't lay it out on centers, but in between ribs and so each rib (1/2" ply?) has added to your OAL. |
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Originally Posted By ASUsax:
I'll bet they measured BETWEEN the frame sections, and not from one to the next. That would explain the growth. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ASUsax:
Originally Posted By guns762:
Interesting update. Just did some measuring of our two halves, and it equals 29ft and some change; not the 28ft that it should be given our blue prints. Pretty sure I know how this happened. Someone can't read a tape measure, and a teacher didn't double check. We also are about 1.03% wider too. This I knew might happen, given the ribbing. I guess it's not that big of deal, we just grew roughly 1% all the way around, but we are going to need that entire display area. At an angle coming down, and also diagonally, we should be good, but it might making finding beams in the ceiling in the right areas a little more challenging. I'll bet they measured BETWEEN the frame sections, and not from one to the next. That would explain the growth. Naaah, they measured out 15'8" instead of 14'8" on the main beam. Or they laid it out, then forgot to cut it to length before we started putting the frames on. Really not a big deal as it matches the width and height in scale. I considered splicing, but it would just be to compromising to the look of rigidity by any outide safety experts, it's not worth it. |
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Have you thought about balsa wood for the panels?
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Originally Posted By guns762: I considered a lot of things, Dan, but we are limited in our ability to find a quantity of what we need for a price we can afford. I still think this is probably the way to go. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Have you thought about balsa wood for the panels? I considered a lot of things, Dan, but we are limited in our ability to find a quantity of what we need for a price we can afford. I still think this is probably the way to go. |
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Would the skinning be easier if you used something more pliable, like maybe newspaper, to get the initial shape then use it as a stencil for your actual skinning material?
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Originally Posted By Ashraam:
Would the skinning be easier if you used something more pliable, like maybe newspaper, to get the initial shape then use it as a stencil for your actual skinning material? View Quote It went pretty quick this morning, once we just started placing pieces up there, stapling one side, then trimming to fit. My worry is durability, but it will probably be ok. |
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Originally Posted By double_trouble_2003: Great progress. Any thought given to having a torpedo launching from one of the front tubes? http://www.subart.net/torpedoes_away.jpg View Quote I think it'd be cool with some kind of media painted up to look like the cavitation trail behind the torpedo. Sounds like space is the major issue though. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: It went pretty quick this morning, once we just started placing pieces up there, stapling one side, then trimming to fit. My worry is durability, but it will probably be ok. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By Ashraam: Would the skinning be easier if you used something more pliable, like maybe newspaper, to get the initial shape then use it as a stencil for your actual skinning material? It went pretty quick this morning, once we just started placing pieces up there, stapling one side, then trimming to fit. My worry is durability, but it will probably be ok. Good point. You're going to need some kind of anchor points for handholds, or put your supports on wheels for transport. I can already see someone putting a hand through the skin while trying to move that beast. |
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Originally Posted By guns762:
Interesting update. Just did some measuring of our two halves, and it equals 29ft and some change; not the 28ft that it should be given our blue prints. Pretty sure I know how this happened. Someone can't read a tape measure, and a teacher didn't double check. We also are about 1.03% wider too. This I knew might happen, given the ribbing. I guess it's not that big of deal, we just grew roughly 1% all the way around, but we are going to need that entire display area. At an angle coming down, and also diagonally, we should be good, but it might making finding beams in the ceiling in the right areas a little more challenging. View Quote Sounds like maybe someone didn't include bulkhead thickness in their measurements? ETA: Just read the post above explaining it. At least you got lucky with the length to width scaling nicely. |
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Originally Posted By Dilbert_556:
Do you think the seams are going to be a problem? You might be able to fill the gaps with sheetrock plaster and then sand it all smooth before you paint it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dilbert_556:
Originally Posted By guns762:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Have you thought about balsa wood for the panels? I considered a lot of things, Dan, but we are limited in our ability to find a quantity of what we need for a price we can afford. I still think this is probably the way to go. I like this idea, and will keep it in the back of my mind. Only thing I can see going wrong is if we get some flex moving it, it might crack and look like shit. We started trimming over the gaps and they don't look too bad. There are supposed to be seams, so I'm hoping these end up helping the look a little. |
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Originally Posted By double_trouble_2003:
Great progress. Any thought given to having a torpedo launching from one of the front tubes? http://www.subart.net/torpedoes_away.jpg View Quote It's a possibility, but probably not a moving part, just coming out of the tube if we do it. |
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Originally Posted By Ashraam:
Good point. You're going to need some kind of anchor points for handholds, or put your supports on wheels for transport. I can already see someone putting a hand through the skin while trying to move that beast. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ashraam:
Originally Posted By guns762:
Originally Posted By Ashraam:
Would the skinning be easier if you used something more pliable, like maybe newspaper, to get the initial shape then use it as a stencil for your actual skinning material? It went pretty quick this morning, once we just started placing pieces up there, stapling one side, then trimming to fit. My worry is durability, but it will probably be ok. Good point. You're going to need some kind of anchor points for handholds, or put your supports on wheels for transport. I can already see someone putting a hand through the skin while trying to move that beast. I took pictures of our stands with coasters on them so we can roll each part down the hallway, but I seem to have deleted it by accident. We will just have to be careful lifting it up on the lift. The custodian checked the beams today and says we should have easy access to the angles we need . Thats good. Beams every 6 feet or so. We will be able to hang this on the diagonal like we want. If we had a couple engine hoists around we could easily use our hangers to lift this thing up and roll it down the hall or where ever we want to go. |
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Originally Posted By guns762:
Update 9/18.2 More on the mines. We should have 5 when we are done. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5819/21335533290_f650eee0ce_b.jpg Here's what the skin looks like after more work today. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5688/21335750108_68d5b7ab25_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5802/21512465512_f240352647_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5732/20902483603_2e9e0c0f5e_b.jpg View Quote That would have been so cool to fiberglass the body, add main tanks and R/C it. That would look so cool at my lake surfacing.... |
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Originally Posted By Dog1:
That would have been so cool to fiberglass the body, add main tanks and R/C it. That would look so cool at my lake surfacing.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dog1:
Originally Posted By guns762:
Update 9/18.2 More on the mines. We should have 5 when we are done. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5819/21335533290_f650eee0ce_b.jpg Here's what the skin looks like after more work today. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5688/21335750108_68d5b7ab25_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5802/21512465512_f240352647_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5732/20902483603_2e9e0c0f5e_b.jpg That would have been so cool to fiberglass the body, add main tanks and R/C it. That would look so cool at my lake surfacing.... It would be awesome to fiberglass the whole thing. Uhhhgg. Just don't see how we could do it right with the fumes and all, and I'd bet it'd be way too heavy to be allowed to be hung. Would be so cool though. |
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You could use thin Sintra as a skin? It's easily cut and heat formable. Heat guns make it plenty pliable...
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Originally Posted By Ashraam: I think it'd be cool with some kind of media painted up to look like the cavitation trail behind the torpedo. Sounds like space is the major issue though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ashraam: Originally Posted By double_trouble_2003: Great progress. Any thought given to having a torpedo launching from one of the front tubes? http://www.subart.net/torpedoes_away.jpg It would be cool too if the walls and ceiling could be painted like the pic above. |
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Originally Posted By parshooter:
It would be cool too if the walls and ceiling could be painted like the pic above. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5787/20821535546_88ec9641e9_b.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By parshooter:
Originally Posted By Ashraam:
Originally Posted By double_trouble_2003:
Great progress. Any thought given to having a torpedo launching from one of the front tubes? http://www.subart.net/torpedoes_away.jpg It would be cool too if the walls and ceiling could be painted like the pic above. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5787/20821535546_88ec9641e9_b.jpg That's a lot of paint....... But, it would be cool. |
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The mines look good.
Tell us more about the skin and how you guys overcame the problem of applying it to the ballast tanks. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: I like this idea, and will keep it in the back of my mind. Only thing I can see going wrong is if we get some flex moving it, it might crack and look like shit. We started trimming over the gaps and they don't look too bad. There are supposed to be seams, so I'm hoping these end up helping the look a little. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By Dilbert_556: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Have you thought about balsa wood for the panels? I considered a lot of things, Dan, but we are limited in our ability to find a quantity of what we need for a price we can afford. I still think this is probably the way to go. I like this idea, and will keep it in the back of my mind. Only thing I can see going wrong is if we get some flex moving it, it might crack and look like shit. We started trimming over the gaps and they don't look too bad. There are supposed to be seams, so I'm hoping these end up helping the look a little. |
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
The mines look good. Tell us more about the skin and how you guys overcame the problem of applying it to the ballast tanks. View Quote Easiest explanation is we put an oversized piece on the area, then stapled the center area first, then worked to the outside corners. Or, we messed up a freak'en lot till it worked. If you imagine a piece of paper roled to a funnel, we had to twist each piece in that way to get it to be relatively flat on the area. You can't just lay a flat edge up against the top of the ballast. |
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Originally Posted By Dilbert_556:
Good point about the cracking. I'll bet paintable silicone caulk would work, and the bead would even look like a weld seam. The problem is that it would get pretty expensive if you needed to use a lot of it. View Quote We are using hot glue right now too. It will help for small areas. Most of them should be able to be covered by the trim pieces. That is kind of why I like this drawing board. It's easy to sculpt with too. |
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Originally Posted By guns762:
I like this idea, and will keep it in the back of my mind. Only thing I can see going wrong is if we get some flex moving it, it might crack and look like shit. View Quote Incorporate the anchor points into the construction now, and only ever lift it (and hang it) from those points. |
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Originally Posted By guns762:
It's a possibility, but probably not a moving part, just coming out of the tube if we do it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762:
Originally Posted By double_trouble_2003:
Great progress. Any thought given to having a torpedo launching from one of the front tubes? http://www.subart.net/torpedoes_away.jpg It's a possibility, but probably not a moving part, just coming out of the tube if we do it. Small bubble trail would really look cool. So would a depth charge coming down... |
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Thought about ultracote or another of the model airplane skins? You basically iron it on at the seams and edges, then shrink it with hot air. |
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Originally Posted By kar98k:
. Thought about ultracote or another of the model airplane skins? You basically iron it on at the seams and edges, then shrink it with hot air. View Quote Yes, and also just plain old canvas like we did on the bike plane, but it will shrink around the ribbing and look wierd. It would be easy to install, but just wouldn't be right. |
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Screw on the submarine should spin.
Have you considered a flex drive? your torque requirements are minimum. Install the DC converter and motor outside the sub (wall?) run flex cable inside and drive the screw. Properly angled (sub body blocks view) you will not be able to see the power devices. For lights LED are sufficiently low power if unacceptable, optical fibers should do the job. or have small spotlights shining on pertinent reflective surfaces. This company appears to do a nice job syncing souns and lights: wowlights |
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While you are skinning that, imaging doing that with a couple of inches of err Krupp's finest steel
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Originally Posted By CarbineDad:
While you are skinning that, imaging doing that with a couple of inches of err Krupp's finest steel View Quote I had several students who were pissed we weren't using roofing tin. I asked them on Friday if they would still like to use it. Then reminded them we still had to cut a million little holes and details in it. They would have all had bloody little stumps by the end of it, and the boat would weigh about 1000 lbs. |
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