User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:51:30 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: who here would personally check the load in the weapon no matter who loaded it, and what they were told? Maybe I'm overly curious, paranoid, or downright mistrusting but I would. Who here doesn't treat every weapon as if it's loaded? The only person I trust implicitly without question is my father. Everyone else gets checked and cycled. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:52:11 PM EDT
[#2]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:52:43 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t know if this is bullshit. Does this look doctored? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/398238/BDC8E995-AFC6-4AE0-A0F3-84735B18C333_jpe-2139347.JPG It certainly tracks.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:53:17 PM EDT
[#4]
Ole Alec needs to go back to his 'certified' training instructor and demand his $$ back cause he didn't teach him the cardinal rules of handling firearms.
I bet licensed gun owner goes through more safety training then this jerk. Serious question, why wouldn't an actor using a gun have to have real training before being allowed to handle a gun. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:53:26 PM EDT
[#5]
Why would there be live ammo on the set? I can see dummy rounds for close up shots, and blanks, but live ammo?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:53:42 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And if the shot called for the actor to point the weapon at another actor? What then? "oh, sorry this is just too scary. I'm going to have to follow the gun safety rules and decline to shoot this scene"  Oh that's an easy one. If the shot called for pointing it at another actor, we should make sure the actors never look at what they're shooting so we can prank them with live bullets. The logic doesn't hold up. So, what you're saying is it's ok to cut someone in half with a chainsaw making a horror movie... as long as you don't know if it's got a chain on it? My bad, I thought it was a fake knife I stabbed them with. Whoops. Force on force training is a thing. I've pointed weapons, and had them pointed at me countless times. None of us have been shot in that process. When you do it most important thing is to check your load to make sure you don't splatter your coworker. He couldn't be bothered. You know what reinforces that last point? Reports are that he kept going on about how HE got a hot gun. He was going on about the repercussions to him, not to the poor woman he killed. Bottom line, if you pick up a weapon, you're the one that's accountable for what happens with it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:53:50 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone was in charge of buying the blanks and preparing the props. Who was that guy. Apparently a low-cost local that was hired by Baldwin's production company to work on the movie Baldwin is producing in which Baldwin pulled the trigger of a gun that killed someone. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:53:54 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 99 other armorers handing the same gun to AB would have ended in the same result. The armorer handing the same gun to 99 other people would have ended is a statistically different result ( some people would have checked the chamber or not pointed and fired a loaded weapon at someone else). AB is guilty of manslaughter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: no, I have no idea what you are saying Quoted: no, I have no idea what you are saying 99 other armorers handing the same gun to AB would have ended in the same result. The armorer handing the same gun to 99 other people would have ended is a statistically different result ( some people would have checked the chamber or not pointed and fired a loaded weapon at someone else). AB is guilty of manslaughter. 99 other armorers would have checked the gun and not handed him a loaded gun. There is a shared responsibility and the fact that Arec is also producing the film gives him a share for hiring a bad armorer and also aiming the gun directly at a person and pulling the trigger. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:54:26 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Username checks out Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If the gun is in my hand I have cleared it if it is supposed to be cleared. Who would trust someone else in this case. If you do not know how to clear a weapon, don't pick it up. It won't be cleared, it'll be loaded with blanks. You will have to unload it completely and then reload it. Then point it at a person and pull the trigger.. It was in hand. His finger pulled the trigger. It was pointed, by him, at someone it should have never been pointed at. This is not an "accident". If this were a demonstration of a draw, why were there "blanks" in the gun? And yes, were I in a situation like that, I would clear and check load myself. But then, I do not believe in shooting as "entertainment". I have not watched electronic entertainments in many years. I do not like these discussions on here about these movie gun fights. This is all bullshit that feeds this incompetent culture. I can understand the risks involved in force on force training; but not the risks involved in distractions for the stupids. Both the the production and consumption of these popular entertainments are a significant root cause of our degradation as a people. If that "man" has such a low opinion of firearm owners, what the hell is he doing making movies with guns in them. You can literally hear his old age when reading this. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:55:14 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any details on what actually happened? Was the gun capable of firing a live round and there was a live round in it that discharged? Could've sworn when Brandon Lee died it was dummy rounds (no primer/powder for a close-up shot) that popped the bullet into the barrel and was later fired by the energy of a blank. “Prop” guns are usually dummy or genuine guns supplied by “prop” houses (property houses) they’re rentals. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:56:15 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They don’t. They point them to the side. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:56:41 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course he's not liable. It's like working on a construction site, someone hands you their framing gun, and while nailing, the trigger/safety stick and sends a nail in someone's eye. That's not your fault. Soon as I read the name of the actor, I knew people here would try and find a way to place the blame directly on him. It's not the job of the actor to inspect every equipment they touch. You have people on set for this very reason. Have you worked much construction? Maybe been a mechanic? Sharing of tools is frowned upon for just this reason. I don't know the condition of your tools or if you maintain them. Ultimately the craftsman bears some responsibility. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:57:06 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm calling bullshit on people giving Baldwin a pass... /snip He doesn't get a pass because he's called gun owners stupid, murderous, idiotic, dangerous, uneducated, terrorists, hateful, etc, etc...and what does he go and do? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:57:14 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryMichael Malice is coldblooded 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:58:18 PM EDT
[#15]
This will be Baldwin's most expensive movie yet.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:58:41 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now try that scenario again. But this is closer. Be on site Rules on site never point framing gun at anybody Point framing gun at somebody against all rules without even checking if loaded with nails Pull trigger Kill somebody Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thats a weird one, and involved overt negligence by multiple people. His gun got dragged around by multiple people for more than week with a mag of live ammo in it. This incident doesn't involve any less amount of gross negligence from everyone involved in the chain of custody of the weapon, to include the trigger puller. Did AB bring live ammo to the set? Did he load the prop? I would not be surprised to see that as an actor, he is not liable for the saftey of props. Of course he's not liable. It's like working on a construction site, someone hands you their framing gun, and while nailing, the trigger/safety stick and sends a nail in someone's eye. That's not your fault. Soon as I read the name of the actor, I knew people here would try and find a way to place the blame directly on him. It's not the job of the actor to inspect every equipment they touch. You have people on set for this very reason. Now try that scenario again. But this is closer. Be on site Rules on site never point framing gun at anybody Point framing gun at somebody against all rules without even checking if loaded with nails Pull trigger Kill somebody Is there an on set rule about not pointing guns at people during a movie scene? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 1:58:58 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And if the shot called for the actor to point the weapon at another actor? What then? "oh, sorry this is just too scary. I'm going to have to follow the gun safety rules and decline to shoot this scene" You don't use a real gun. That simple. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:00:02 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Baldwin has been in countless movies where the handling of firearms as props was required, I'm not going to count but since 1987 he has played military officers, police officers, secret agents, etc. all with ample amounts of shooting. At some point in this two decade plus career to claim he never received any training in the safe use of prop firearms exceeds the bounds of reasonable assumption. Depending on the circumstances, I'm not confident he can claim he couldn't or shouldn't have known the potential results of his actions, particularly if some of these rumors are accurate, incompetent prop-master or not. Not only was he the trigger man, he was the boss. It’s called complacency and it obviously kills. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:00:16 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you worked much construction? Maybe been a mechanic? Sharing of tools is frowned upon for just this reason. I don't know the condition of your tools or if you maintain them. Ultimately the craftsman bears some responsibility. No that poster's resume is mostly filled with positions within Shareblue, MoveOn, and other various leftist orgs |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:00:24 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont like him but he's not liable. If you were playing a role in a movie, the prop guy handed you what looked to be a nuclear weapon, And told to push one of the buttons, would you say, "wait! Hold everything! I am pushing the button so im responsible!" Then you dissemble the nuk to check to see if it was real with all your nuke training, or would you trust its not real? No movie production company ever had a nuclear weapon. They handle real firearms on a daily basic. Big difference. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:01:03 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He is the producer too. Did he hire an unqualified armorer? Did he fo his due diligence? Did he hire someone to double check her work? A series of improper events happened to cause this incident. He was involved both as the movie producer and guy that pulled the trigger. Yeah, he can't claim that he had no responsibility since a trained armourer handed him the gun, when he as producer hired an unqualified armourer to save money. Can't have it both ways. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:01:27 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't use a real gun. That simple. How does an untrained actor know what a real gun is? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:01:35 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No that poster's resume is mostly filled with positions within Shareblue, MoveOn, and other various leftist orgs He thinks bias hides behind every GD opinion proving his own indoctrination. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:01:46 PM EDT
[#24]
Once a gun is converted to shoot movie blanks, it can not shoot real live ammo.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:01:47 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No movie production company ever had a nuclear weapon. They handle real firearms on a daily basic. Big difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I dont like him but he's not liable. If you were playing a role in a movie, the prop guy handed you what looked to be a nuclear weapon, And told to push one of the buttons, would you say, "wait! Hold everything! I am pushing the button so im responsible!" Then you dissemble the nuk to check to see if it was real with all your nuke training, or would you trust its not real? No movie production company ever had a nuclear weapon. They handle real firearms on a daily basic. Big difference. I’m predicting nothing happens to AB and the Amorer and 1st AD are the ones going down. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:02:59 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m predicting nothing happens to AB and the Amorer and 1st AD are the ones going down. Whats an AD? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:03:08 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True. But how many times has his ilk used them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don’t know if this is bullshit. Does this look doctored? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/398238/BDC8E995-AFC6-4AE0-A0F3-84735B18C333_jpe-2139347.JPG Anonymous "on-set source"  True. But how many times has his ilk used them? I agree. Modern media is >95% anonymous sources and hearsay. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:03:19 PM EDT
[#28]
"See, guns do kill people."---Alec Baldwin
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:04:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He hired low wage locals. For potentially deadly work. A person died, and another was seriously injured as a result. He is the producer. This was his production company. He is also the shooter. I expect him paying 8 figures to the families for this "privilege" of no criminal charges |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:04:29 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats an AD? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m predicting nothing happens to AB and the Amorer and 1st AD are the ones going down. Whats an AD? 1st Assistant Director. I posted a few pages back exactly the cadence that happens when a gun comes on set. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:04:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They don’t. They point them to the side. https://cdn.lowgif.com/medium/29a3a9573ae2ba08-.gif That is not the case here. He was supposed to be pointing it at the camera, instead he pointed it at people. I suspect that in your scene they didn’t shoot a blank into the guys mouth either. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:04:36 PM EDT
[#32]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:04:47 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now I want an "Alec Baldwin has killed more people than my gun" shirt.  I promise by the time we get home from work, they will be for sale somewhere online. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:04:49 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would there be live ammo on the set? I can see dummy rounds for close up shots, and blanks, but live ammo? Some years ago, I read an article that said live rounds are absolutely banned on TV/Movie lots to prevent this sort of accident. If that is true, I'll give FAB a pass. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:05:49 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does an untrained actor know what a real gun is? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You don't use a real gun. That simple. How does an untrained actor know what a real gun is? A) As many movies as he's been on, listening to the armorer and watching protocols, he has to know. B) Not knowing doesn't absolve you of responsibility. He has a responsibility to know the difference if he's pointing it near people and pulling triggers. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:06:07 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does an untrained actor know what a real gun is? Training. Pretty sure other productions, like John Wick for example, have used it to improve both safety and on-screen presentation. How does an untrained actor passionate about being anti-2A not know what a real gun is? That's rhetorical btw. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:06:23 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Once a gun is converted to shoot movie blanks, it can not shoot real live ammo. Bullshit, especially regarding revolvers. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:06:36 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm predicting nothing happens to AB and the Amorer and 1st AD are the ones going down. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:07:59 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ouch. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:08:34 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now I want an "Alec Baldwin has killed more people than my gun" shirt. This and maybe even a baseball hat. FABs wife is super hot. He won’t be charged If SNL had any balls they would be writing a spoof on this already. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:08:36 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats an AD? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m predicting nothing happens to AB and the Amorer and 1st AD are the ones going down. Whats an AD? Assistant Director |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:08:47 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine the trial-criminal or civil and deposition-where a lawyer brings up all his online rants and violent encounters while under oath. Those will be dismissed as irrelevant to the situation, much like they were with Kyle Rittenhouse when the prosecution tried to have them entered into the record. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:09:27 PM EDT
[#43]
SNL should be fun this week. You know they'll have a skit about Alec "accidentally" shooting people.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:09:55 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Once a gun is converted to shoot movie blanks, it can not shoot real live ammo. Wut? They used to substitute Star model B’s for 1911’s because they’d cycle 9mm blanks….and looked similar. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:10:40 PM EDT
[#45]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:10:59 PM EDT
[#46]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:11:18 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some years ago, I read an article that said live rounds are absolutely banned on TV/Movie lots to prevent this sort of accident. If that is true, I'll give FAB a pass. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why would there be live ammo on the set? I can see dummy rounds for close up shots, and blanks, but live ammo? Some years ago, I read an article that said live rounds are absolutely banned on TV/Movie lots to prevent this sort of accident. If that is true, I'll give FAB a pass. Honestly, its just negligence across the board. Mirko Cro Cop and some of his prior teammates shot a movie - where they shot live ammo at each other. Nobody got shot. These "accidents" happen because of negligence, a lack of training, and wanting to cut corners financially. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:11:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently a low-cost local that was hired by Baldwin's production company to work on the movie Baldwin is producing in which Baldwin pulled the trigger of a gun that killed someone. Luckily, its not his fault! |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:12:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: SNL should be fun this week. You know they'll have a skit about Alec "accidentally" shooting people. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/22/2021 2:13:06 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering he is/was the producer he had that power. "i don't know guys seems a little dangerous to be pointing guns at people". He literally was the one person who had authority to call BS. Don't worry bro we aren't hating on you but at least consider all the bling under your avatar. Perhaps this is a time to push the idea celebrities especially actors that use guns in film should be more responsible.  Meh if I'm wrong I'm wrong, but in this case I dont think I am. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
Attached File
Attached File
Attached File
Attached File
Attached File