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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:21:30 PM EDT
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ben ...I'm 62. The Navy PFT only goes up to 50-54. So....that means I have to pass that age group I guess. Also, don't you give a choice between the run and swim? I found a 2019 navy phsical guide that goes up to 65. PM and I'll try and send it to you.....If I can find the link again, I'll add it here. EDIT: Found it. https://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/21st_Century_Sailor/physical/Documents/Guide%205-%20Physical%20Readiness%20Test%20%20OCT%202019.pdf |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:35:17 PM EDT
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How the heck do I find places to hike while geared out? I might have some people interested when it warms up, but I don’t even know where to go.
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:38:10 PM EDT
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I doubt he will go for this and it seems to be part of the “barrier to entry” and a good one at that. He told me via PM that a local range which has a monthly scaled-to-100-yards HighPower Service Rifle event would be a handicap so I can’t imagine the 22LR 25M Appleseed would. However doing an AS would make you more than capable of the maximum MOA required to score 70% when you go to a real event. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@Ben what are your thoughts about allowing achievement of Rifleman score at an Appleseed event to qualify for 2nd class/1st Class? If verified by an Appleseed instructor, of course. The course of fire is modeled after NRA high-power course of fire. However doing an AS would make you more than capable of the maximum MOA required to score 70% when you go to a real event. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:38:59 PM EDT
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Is there a central place to report qualifying people/events? |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:39:48 PM EDT
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How the heck do I find places to hike while geared out? I might have some people interested when it warms up, but I don’t even know where to go. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:44:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get that hiking is great exercise, I was just under the impression that the Battle Buddies were going to be a more practically focused version of GoRuck. By that I mean "train like you fight" full-gear shakedown marches that include fieldcraft rather than "sack full of weights" exercising. I carried half my bodyweight around in the Army and now I'm into Ultralight so packweight discussions make me #triggered lol. I'll still check out the local Florida group once it gets hammered out, you can't get too much exercise. It would be nice to meet up with some locals regardless and have some fun. I support everything you guys have done so far, and I'm not trying to come off as critical with any of this, I just had some misconceptions.  However, baby steps. Right now we have posted guidance for people just getting started. More is coming, along with individual and team stuff. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:45:30 PM EDT
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I need an alt standard for rough terrain. All the trails around me go up and mountains. It’s either that or we use roads. And I don’t want to use roads if I can avoid it. Some kind of adjustment factor for vertical elevation gain. I have a great place for hikes nearby but it starts with a 600ft to 1100ft elevation gain. It’s part of the AT. I hop the border and wear it out twice a week in the summer. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:52:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me talk to a couple folks and we will revisit that. Trying to keep it simple as possible at the start. That said, I had my lungs burned in a propane explosion years ago. I can't even walk around and talk on the phone without being a little winded, and I fully intend to meet these requirements. They really aren't that bad. If an old guy with no lungs at 6500' can do them, there aren't a lot of excuses. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 7:04:30 PM EDT
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I’ve seen this sentiment as well as one about a group for people who can’t hike. I can’t lift and can’t do that navy test and need to get my ass in shape to do it. I also can’t walk 3 MPH uphill and I am going to get my ass in shape to do if. If we aren’t willing to exercise and deal with a little structure, are we really going to show up when it matters? This is why I haven’t even bothered asking my normal “go to” guys about starting a BB group in south central VA. If they couldn’t show up for either Richmond rally in the last 6 weeks, or any of the Commitee hearings in the last 3 weeks, do I really want to count on that guy showing up at 0300 when I need his ass to help me? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry if this sounds like I'm shitposting... but this seems like a lot of work OP. To the average guy, this could be a bit too structured and involved than what he's willing to go through to be honest. Just my opinion I can’t lift and can’t do that navy test and need to get my ass in shape to do it. I also can’t walk 3 MPH uphill and I am going to get my ass in shape to do if. If we aren’t willing to exercise and deal with a little structure, are we really going to show up when it matters? This is why I haven’t even bothered asking my normal “go to” guys about starting a BB group in south central VA. If they couldn’t show up for either Richmond rally in the last 6 weeks, or any of the Commitee hearings in the last 3 weeks, do I really want to count on that guy showing up at 0300 when I need his ass to help me? The time constraints have us woefully low on the ability to jumpstart into a "Adult Boy Scouts" type of hobby, as great as it would be. Super structured, practice-involved and a ridged curriculum is fine when you dont have much else to do in your free time. Most of us have a couple minutes here or there at best. I think a better way to go about training would be to emphasize informal gee-wizz mentoring and guidance. Most adults don't have enough time and mental bandwidth to devote to a highly structured curriculum. Not trying to be a negative nancy, don't take it that way.. I'm just saying you may have better success with recruiting by being more flexible. Careers, wives, kids... all that eat away what little free time adults have. I love your concept though |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 7:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you have the wrong idea. I'm not knocking the battle buddy premise, but the "training" structure. Most of us have 9-5 jobs, families and a lot of other things that take precedent when considering new hobbies/ventures. The time constraints have us woefully low on the ability to jumpstart into a "Adult Boy Scouts" type of hobby, as great as it would be. Super structured, practice-involved and a ridged curriculum is fine when you dont have much else to do in your free time. Most of us have a couple minutes here or there at best. I think a better way to go about training would be to emphasize informal gee-wizz mentoring and guidance. Most adults don't have enough time and mental bandwidth to devote to a highly structured curriculum. Not trying to be a negative nancy, don't take it that way.. I'm just saying you may have better success with recruiting by being more flexible. Careers, wives, kids... all that eat away what little free time adults have. I love your concept though Other than the physical hiking, everything posted so far could be accomplished in a single dedicated weekend- inclusive of the medical cert classes, radio tech license, and rifle match. The beauty of it is that nothing requires you to achieve a certain level of competency in anything- they are in general guidelines, not rules. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 7:18:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you have the wrong idea. I'm not knocking the battle buddy premise, but the "training" structure. Most of us have 9-5 jobs, families and a lot of other things that take precedent when considering new hobbies/ventures. The time constraints have us woefully low on the ability to jumpstart into a "Adult Boy Scouts" type of hobby, as great as it would be. Super structured, practice-involved and a ridged curriculum is fine when you dont have much else to do in your free time. Most of us have a couple minutes here or there at best. I think a better way to go about training would be to emphasize informal gee-wizz mentoring and guidance. Most adults don't have enough time and mental bandwidth to devote to a highly structured curriculum. Not trying to be a negative nancy, don't take it that way.. I'm just saying you may have better success with recruiting by being more flexible. Careers, wives, kids... all that eat away what little free time adults have. I love your concept though 
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Posted: 1/26/2020 7:33:08 PM EDT
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This is, in practice, meant to be only very loosely structured. The stuff that appears overly structured is necessary for a variety of reasons to identify folks who have accomplished a level of competency that has a multitude of uses. Other than the physical hiking, everything posted so far could be accomplished in a single dedicated weekend- inclusive of the medical cert classes, radio tech license, and rifle match. The beauty of it is that nothing requires you to achieve a certain level of competency in anything- they are in general guidelines, not rules. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I think you have the wrong idea. I'm not knocking the battle buddy premise, but the "training" structure. Most of us have 9-5 jobs, families and a lot of other things that take precedent when considering new hobbies/ventures. The time constraints have us woefully low on the ability to jumpstart into a "Adult Boy Scouts" type of hobby, as great as it would be. Super structured, practice-involved and a ridged curriculum is fine when you dont have much else to do in your free time. Most of us have a couple minutes here or there at best. I think a better way to go about training would be to emphasize informal gee-wizz mentoring and guidance. Most adults don't have enough time and mental bandwidth to devote to a highly structured curriculum. Not trying to be a negative nancy, don't take it that way.. I'm just saying you may have better success with recruiting by being more flexible. Careers, wives, kids... all that eat away what little free time adults have. I love your concept though Other than the physical hiking, everything posted so far could be accomplished in a single dedicated weekend- inclusive of the medical cert classes, radio tech license, and rifle match. The beauty of it is that nothing requires you to achieve a certain level of competency in anything- they are in general guidelines, not rules. 
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:06:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The issue is more than being able to shoot groups of a given size...it is being able to read and adjust for wind conditions in the 200 to 600 yard distances. I do have my records when I shot service rifle for the WV Nat Guard buried somewhere. I shot Camp Robinson in Ark and Quantico amongst others. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:11:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me talk to a couple folks and we will revisit that. Trying to keep it simple as possible at the start. Standards should be consistent and repeatable. Around SW VA and surrounding environs, what flat land is available is usually in pasture or developed. Trails we have in massive abundance, almost all have a significant vertical component. The ones not so aggressive are a few bike trails on a ridge top behind a seasonally locked gate and even the most benign of that collection has more vertical component than a flat land biking trail. The other thought is the New River trial or VA Creeper trail as they are roughly flat. They tend to get busy with Mtn bikers though. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:12:37 PM EDT
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Hey XxSLASHERxX, I found a 2019 navy phsical guide that goes up to 65. PM and I'll try and send it to you.....If I can find the link again, I'll add it here. EDIT: Found it. https://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/21st_Century_Sailor/physical/Documents/Guide%205-%20Physical%20Readiness%20Test%20%20OCT%202019.pdf Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ben ...I'm 62. The Navy PFT only goes up to 50-54. So....that means I have to pass that age group I guess. Also, don't you give a choice between the run and swim? I found a 2019 navy phsical guide that goes up to 65. PM and I'll try and send it to you.....If I can find the link again, I'll add it here. EDIT: Found it. https://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/21st_Century_Sailor/physical/Documents/Guide%205-%20Physical%20Readiness%20Test%20%20OCT%202019.pdf |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:13:29 PM EDT
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Tag for later
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:27:07 PM EDT
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I am 54, just did a 9+ mile hike with a 20lb pack in grueling terrain that included scrambles, cliffs and potential death. I also had to drive 3 hours to get to the trailhead. My point, if you put your mind to it and you are healthy even older folks can do this stuff. It just takes training, preparation and mental fortitude. My sammich maker did it too. She is also 54.
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:27:46 PM EDT
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45lbs is a lot of weight for the lightweight backpacks that I currently own. Not sure they'd make it through a ruck.
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:30:02 PM EDT
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45lbs is a lot of weight for the lightweight backpacks that I currently own. Not sure they'd make it through a ruck. Recommendations that won't break the bank? |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:30:47 PM EDT
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45lbs is a lot of weight for the lightweight backpacks that I currently own. Not sure they'd make it through a ruck. Recommendations that won't break the bank? |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:37:49 PM EDT
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The mole II ruck is pretty good for the money. The external frame can handle a lot of weight. 45 lbs is going to be a breeze in one.
https://www.amazon.com/Military-Rucksack-Assembly-Tactical-Backpack/dp/B07S82Y7VC/ref=pd_sbs_200_img_1/136-4778513-7533137?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07S82Y7VC&pd_rd_r=091abc59-2a25-465d-a69f-54c405fbbaf1&pd_rd_w=fotjY&pd_rd_wg=RgHtz&pf_rd_p=5cfcfe89-300f-47d2-b1ad-a4e27203a02a&pf_rd_r=TQDC5NXKCYZ8HHYTKM4Z&psc=1&refRID=TQDC5NXKCYZ8HHYTKM4Z You can find them considerably cheaper on surplus sites. http://www.armygear.net/ag/store/search.html?tf=sku&bs=1&em=1&su=1&ml=15&fi=products&st=db&tf=prod_group&sf=category&se=MOLLE%20Packs Armygear.net is good to go. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you have the wrong idea. I'm not knocking the battle buddy premise, but the "training" structure. Most of us have 9-5 jobs, families and a lot of other things that take precedent when considering new hobbies/ventures. The time constraints have us woefully low on the ability to jumpstart into a "Adult Boy Scouts" type of hobby, as great as it would be. Super structured, practice-involved and a ridged curriculum is fine when you dont have much else to do in your free time. Most of us have a couple minutes here or there at best. I think a better way to go about training would be to emphasize informal gee-wizz mentoring and guidance. Most adults don't have enough time and mental bandwidth to devote to a highly structured curriculum. Not trying to be a negative nancy, don't take it that way.. I'm just saying you may have better success with recruiting by being more flexible. Careers, wives, kids... all that eat away what little free time adults have. I love your concept though If you're not wanting to participate, great, leave these threads to those that are interested. We can all come up with excuses not to do this and those of us that are willing to put in the effort will. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:42:37 PM EDT
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45lbs is a lot of weight for the lightweight backpacks that I currently own. Not sure they'd make it through a ruck. Recommendations that won't break the bank? |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:48:08 PM EDT
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45lbs is a lot of weight for the lightweight backpacks that I currently own. Not sure they'd make it through a ruck. Recommendations that won't break the bank? If armor, LBEs, helmets, and other typical equipment counted for weight I could use my gear that I have now. Since they don't, if I want to qualify I'll have to purpose-buy a pack that won't be usable with my real gear because of the belt, and put freeweights into it since none of my real gear is heavy enough to weigh out a pack like that. This seems to be the opposite of train-how-you-fight, and it requires me to purchase gear that will have no other use for me outside of exercise-based marching. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:53:18 PM EDT
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Sigh, I'm fucked till I get me a new knee sometime this year. It was all I could do to hobble from the bus to capital square on lobby day and all I had to carry was a pistol, jug of water, and a chair.
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:55:07 PM EDT
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My PE is in Aerospace Engineering. But, I can do an almost passable job on comms.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice! I wonder if the Engineer rating will require a PE, or just an ABET degree and a job in the field. Again, IMO. 
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:57:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tag for answers. I put 45 pounds in the backpack that has been serving as my range bag for the last decade or so and it was not pleasant. I’m guessing something with an internal frame would be indicated? Properly packed a LA Police Gear 3 day pack works fine, it's what I use now and have used for years of 3 gun and recon matches. Shoot, current marches are done with a bag and a half of #7.5 shot in the pack to add extra kidney misery
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:01:31 PM EDT
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I'm surprised you're in a thread started by a Virginian, the idea originating in Virginia, and gaining serious momentum after Lobby Day in Richmond. If you're not wanting to participate, great, leave these threads to those that are interested. We can all come up with excuses not to do this and those of us that are willing to put in the effort will. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I think you have the wrong idea. I'm not knocking the battle buddy premise, but the "training" structure. Most of us have 9-5 jobs, families and a lot of other things that take precedent when considering new hobbies/ventures. The time constraints have us woefully low on the ability to jumpstart into a "Adult Boy Scouts" type of hobby, as great as it would be. Super structured, practice-involved and a ridged curriculum is fine when you dont have much else to do in your free time. Most of us have a couple minutes here or there at best. I think a better way to go about training would be to emphasize informal gee-wizz mentoring and guidance. Most adults don't have enough time and mental bandwidth to devote to a highly structured curriculum. Not trying to be a negative nancy, don't take it that way.. I'm just saying you may have better success with recruiting by being more flexible. Careers, wives, kids... all that eat away what little free time adults have. I love your concept though If you're not wanting to participate, great, leave these threads to those that are interested. We can all come up with excuses not to do this and those of us that are willing to put in the effort will. I would love to participate if this program gets off it's feet, but be honest.. there needs to be time flexibility for us regular guys. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:04:49 PM EDT
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Thanks!
In case y'all are still working on the naming thing, I'd like to propose: - Freedom Corps (my favorite) - American Freedom Corps (however "AFC" is already used by the pickup artist community LOL) - Free Americans - Society of Free Americans - Brotherhood of Free Americans - American Hikers - American Hiking Club - American Hiking Corps |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:05:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to come up with ways this program would be possible for everyone, not just retirees and single guys with no job. I would love to participate if this program gets off it's feet, but be honest.. there needs to be time flexibility for us regular guys. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:05:56 PM EDT
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Sorry if this sounds like I'm shitposting... but this seems like a lot of work OP. To the average guy, this could be a bit too structured and involved than what he's willing to go through to be honest. Just my opinion |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to come up with ways this program would be possible for everyone, not just retirees and single guys with no career. I would love to participate if this program gets off it's feet, but be honest.. there needs to be time flexibility for us regular guys. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:10:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to come up with ways this program would be possible for everyone, not just retirees and single guys with no career. I would love to participate if this program gets off it's feet, but be honest.. there needs to be time flexibility for us regular guys. You might be looking for a MeetUp.com hiking group or something, not BATTLE buddies. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:12:42 PM EDT
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I'm in the same boat. If armor, LBEs, helmets, and other typical equipment counted for weight I could use my gear that I have now. Since they don't, if I want to qualify I'll have to purpose-buy a pack that won't be usable with my real gear because of the belt, and put freeweights into it since none of my real gear is heavy enough to weigh out a pack like that. This seems to be the opposite of train-how-you-fight, and it requires me to purchase gear that will have no other use for me outside of exercise-based marching. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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45lbs is a lot of weight for the lightweight backpacks that I currently own. Not sure they'd make it through a ruck. Recommendations that won't break the bank? If armor, LBEs, helmets, and other typical equipment counted for weight I could use my gear that I have now. Since they don't, if I want to qualify I'll have to purpose-buy a pack that won't be usable with my real gear because of the belt, and put freeweights into it since none of my real gear is heavy enough to weigh out a pack like that. This seems to be the opposite of train-how-you-fight, and it requires me to purchase gear that will have no other use for me outside of exercise-based marching. I bought my son a Dueter a couple of years ago, and the quality for price is outstanding. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:12:47 PM EDT
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Sigh, I'm fucked till I get me a new knee sometime this year. It was all I could do to hobble from the bus to capital square on lobby day and all I had to carry was a pistol, jug of water, and a chair.
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is possible, you simply have to do it. There's guys who come from far and wide to hike with us on week nights. People have kids, jobs, and other responsibilities but they make it work. Hell, half the hikes Ben comes straight from work and doesn't make excuses. If you don't want to put out the effort, don't. If you want to, get a group of guys together, set some dates, and get the miles in. It really is that easy once you put your mind to it. Edit bowing out of this thread, dont want to derail your thread OP. Good premise, hope it becomes something great. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:14:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to come up with ways this program would be possible for everyone, not just retirees and single guys with no career. I would love to participate if this program gets off it's feet, but be honest.. there needs to be time flexibility for us regular guys. You'll be fine. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:14:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously dude? I have two kids, I work a rotating 12.5 Hour shift, weekly bible study on weeks I actually have Monday night off, and a wife who also expects me to do a full time share of household responsibilities in spite of the work hours. And I am stoked to do this. I am dragging her along on a hike this weekend as part of provisional status. You might be looking for a MeetUp.com hiking group or something, not BATTLE buddies. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:15:45 PM EDT
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Sandbags will work better than free weights. Weights will dig into your back. Look at something like this from Dueter. I bought my son a Dueter a couple of years ago, and the quality for price is outstanding. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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45lbs is a lot of weight for the lightweight backpacks that I currently own. Not sure they'd make it through a ruck. Recommendations that won't break the bank? If armor, LBEs, helmets, and other typical equipment counted for weight I could use my gear that I have now. Since they don't, if I want to qualify I'll have to purpose-buy a pack that won't be usable with my real gear because of the belt, and put freeweights into it since none of my real gear is heavy enough to weigh out a pack like that. This seems to be the opposite of train-how-you-fight, and it requires me to purchase gear that will have no other use for me outside of exercise-based marching. I bought my son a Dueter a couple of years ago, and the quality for price is outstanding. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:20:59 PM EDT
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Ben
Do you want to keep track of any startups at this point? On the way back from Richmond we had already talked about our own version of the VBB. At this point we already have a small group and after talking with them today we all would like to go forward with your standards. The only obstacle we may have is the NRA match stuff. If anyone is already involved in NRA hi power rifle in the Greenville SC please message me. I realize its not a requirement but who doesn’t want a excuse to shoot more. Guys I realize some of the standards and time commitments may seem a bit much but what is all this worth to you? I saw what these guys accomplished at the rally. Not only were many man hours of planing and personal money spent but jobs were put on the line. What’s being proposed is nothing compared to that IMO. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:26:54 PM EDT
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Thank you so much brother.. I downloaded it for future reference. You are a very considerate person. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ben ...I'm 62. The Navy PFT only goes up to 50-54. So....that means I have to pass that age group I guess. Also, don't you give a choice between the run and swim? I found a 2019 navy phsical guide that goes up to 65. PM and I'll try and send it to you.....If I can find the link again, I'll add it here. EDIT: Found it. https://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/21st_Century_Sailor/physical/Documents/Guide%205-%20Physical%20Readiness%20Test%20%20OCT%202019.pdf |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:27:37 PM EDT
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Ben Do you want to keep track of any startups at this point? On the way back from Richmond we had already talked about our own version of the VBB. At this point we already have a small group and after talking with them today we all would like to go forward with your standards. The only obstacle we may have is the NRA match stuff. If anyone is already involved in NRA hi power rifle in the Greenville SC please message me. I realize its not a requirement but who doesn’t want a excuse to shoot more. Guys I realize some of the standards and time commitments may seem a bit much but what is all this worth to you? I saw what these guys accomplished at the rally. Not only were many man hours of planing and personal money spent but jobs were put on the line. What’s being proposed is nothing compared to that IMO. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:28:32 PM EDT
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Two answers: Properly packed a LA Police Gear 3 day pack works fine, it's what I use now and have used for years of 3 gun and recon matches. Shoot, current marches are done with a bag and a half of #7.5 shot in the pack to add extra kidney misery
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:29:11 PM EDT
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I've picked up a bunch of mil stuff off of e-bay. I also picked up the Molle II frame and straps with waist belt. It rocks and can take a load.
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:31:22 PM EDT
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I've picked up a bunch of mil stuff off of e-bay. I also picked up the Molle II frame and straps with waist belt. It rocks and can take a load.
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:37:42 PM EDT
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Ben Do you want to keep track of any startups at this point? On the way back from Richmond we had already talked about our own version of the VBB. At this point we already have a small group and after talking with them today we all would like to go forward with your standards. The only obstacle we may have is the NRA match stuff. If anyone is already involved in NRA hi power rifle in the Greenville SC please message me. I realize its not a requirement but who doesn’t want a excuse to shoot more. Guys I realize some of the standards and time commitments may seem a bit much but what is all this worth to you? I saw what these guys accomplished at the rally. Not only were many man hours of planing and personal money spent but jobs were put on the line. What’s being proposed is nothing compared to that IMO. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:46:44 PM EDT
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I'm in the same boat. If armor, LBEs, helmets, and other typical equipment counted for weight I could use my gear that I have now. Since they don't, if I want to qualify I'll have to purpose-buy a pack that won't be usable with my real gear because of the belt, and put freeweights into it since none of my real gear is heavy enough to weigh out a pack like that. This seems to be the opposite of train-how-you-fight, and it requires me to purchase gear that will have no other use for me outside of exercise-based marching. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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45lbs is a lot of weight for the lightweight backpacks that I currently own. Not sure they'd make it through a ruck. Recommendations that won't break the bank? If armor, LBEs, helmets, and other typical equipment counted for weight I could use my gear that I have now. Since they don't, if I want to qualify I'll have to purpose-buy a pack that won't be usable with my real gear because of the belt, and put freeweights into it since none of my real gear is heavy enough to weigh out a pack like that. This seems to be the opposite of train-how-you-fight, and it requires me to purchase gear that will have no other use for me outside of exercise-based marching. Thanks for the recommendations, fellas. 
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:48:37 PM EDT
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Something like this is what I have gotten off of e-bay...
YOu have to do your homework and ask to make sure it's not something thats crappy and moldy, but what I got was good. NOTE: I didn't order from this guy, this is just an example of what's available. https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-ARMY-ACU-MOLLE-II-LARGE-RUCKSACK-MAIN-PACK-COMPLETE-w-3-DAY-ASSAULT-PACK-VG-/123924526895?hash=item1cda7a372f |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:49:31 PM EDT
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these standards seem very reasonable, not easy, but reasonable.
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:53:36 PM EDT
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I'm in. My son is in. My wife is partially in as well!
Look - I travel for work. I have an insane 60-80 hour a week job, a 14 year old who is in sports, a daughter that's leaving for college in the fall, and all of the normal maintenance/upkeep stuff that we all complain about. But I am *determined* to become part of this org. I saw on Lobby Day the amazing power of us all united and this is the only way to grow that energy and power. 100% in! |
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