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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:33:06 AM EDT
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I saw foliage, and some ranger green over woodland around Austin - not sure of what area they came out of though.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:33:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: *shrug* Marine? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:34:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:37:07 AM EDT
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My local PD's SWAT team is multicam from head to toe.
As an ex-LEO, I never understood why they needed multicam. I can understand boots and a BDU cut jacket and pants, but multicam? Khaki or OD would have worked just as well. We didn't have a SWAT team, but our tactically trained guys would don a plate carrier over their uniform. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:37:45 AM EDT
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yep. All my camo is stowed, and the only camo not issued was the stuff I bought when I was a teenager before I signed up. All my boots are issue. going back to highschool ROTC. I basically shoot in civie clothes. /shorts and T shirt because ive done plenty of the bulky shit before 
Mad respect for service, but IDGAF about your clothes or anyone elses. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:39:14 AM EDT
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My local PD's SWAT team is multicam from head to toe. As an ex-LEO, I never understood why they needed multicam. I can understand boots and a BDU cut jacket and pants, but multicam? Khaki or OD would have worked just as well. We didn't have a SWAT team, but our tactically trained guys would don a plate carrier over their uniform. If you had to guess about what the most commonly available pattern for gear/clothing is, what would you guess it to be? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:42:50 AM EDT
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My local PD's SWAT team is multicam from head to toe. As an ex-LEO, I never understood why they needed multicam. I can understand boots and a BDU cut jacket and pants, but multicam? Khaki or OD would have worked just as well. We didn't have a SWAT team, but our tactically trained guys would don a plate carrier over their uniform. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:43:52 AM EDT
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OD over Multi-Cam?
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:47:01 AM EDT
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Full camo on SWAT teams is gay.
I don't care what your argument to defend the practice is. It's gay. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:48:15 AM EDT
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Mad respect for service, but IDGAF about your clothes or anyone elses. 
I get that times have changed. But i'm old fashioned at 35 I guess. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:48:44 AM EDT
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SWAT guy I knew showed up in shorts in a situation and was on TV like that.
Had a badass gunbox in the back of a Tahoe. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:52:31 AM EDT
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I understand that wanting solid colors and POLICE in big letters is something like wanting this back: http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/the_runaway_by_norman_rockwell-400x513.jpg I get that times have changed. But i'm old fashioned at 35 I guess. Some dudes like other dudes. I'm not judging. I just don't care. 
I'm old fashioned too. 
pic: circa 1930, Chicago, Illinois police armed with tommy guns and using a heavily armoured car with bullet proof glass. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:54:50 AM EDT
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My local PD's SWAT team is multicam from head to toe. As an ex-LEO, I never understood why they needed multicam. I can understand boots and a BDU cut jacket and pants, but multicam? Khaki or OD would have worked just as well. We didn't have a SWAT team, but our tactically trained guys would don a plate carrier over their uniform. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/NIGHT-VISION-HELMET-RIGS-let-s-see-your-pics-/18-226892/?page=69 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:57:54 AM EDT
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Make fun of me all you want. I really like cops to look more like cops, and less like soldiers. I would rather have solid colors with lots of high vis "POLICE" on display than police looking like soldiers, complete with lo vis patches. " I wore that boring crap decades ago when we still rocked mp5’s, Fritz helmets and our phones didn’t have cameras. CDI factor = 0 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:58:56 AM EDT
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Most swat teams are part time. Most full time teams are in major cities. Most of the major metro teams, especially on the east coast, are not wearing multicam. They are wearing "traditional colors" like black, navy blue, or green. As to what swat officers wear on the daily that varies from dept to dept. again, your full time guys are typically only doing swat duties so their daily wear is their working uniform. I have seen some smaller depts with part time teams who allow their members to wear their working uniform if they had or have a preplanned operation scheduled for that day. Remember too, swat doesn't really mean anything on the surface. Swat runs the gamut from incredibly well funded, well trained, well managed teams to a couple of yokels who went through an NTOA school (once) with iron on decals on their t shirt and a Galls account. Even at the federal level there is a massive gulf in level of training and capabilities between FBI HRT and FBI SWAT. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:59:00 AM EDT
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All of these civilians needing multicam. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/NIGHT-VISION-HELMET-RIGS-let-s-see-your-pics-/18-226892/?page=69 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My local PD's SWAT team is multicam from head to toe. As an ex-LEO, I never understood why they needed multicam. I can understand boots and a BDU cut jacket and pants, but multicam? Khaki or OD would have worked just as well. We didn't have a SWAT team, but our tactically trained guys would don a plate carrier over their uniform. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/NIGHT-VISION-HELMET-RIGS-let-s-see-your-pics-/18-226892/?page=69 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:01:37 AM EDT
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I blame Call of Duty Honestly I don't know. Its probably due to the availability and contracts that are offered and the desire for them to be uniform in appearance and for identification purposes during the op. But the real question is why don't those operators have their shemaghs on!!
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:04:46 AM EDT
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I always wonder why so many SWAT teams choose Multicam. It looks like clown shoes in a urban setting. Should stick with black or grey colors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd think they'd go with Urban grey colors or something. Should stick with black or grey colors. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:05:02 AM EDT
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That, and the constant stream of warfighters over seas all over the media. Po Pos want in on that yo!! We operators now! Honestly I don't know. Its probably due to the availability and contracts that are offered and the desire for them to be uniform in appearance and for identification purposes during the op. But the real question is why don't those operators have their shemaghs on!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I blame Call of Duty Honestly I don't know. Its probably due to the availability and contracts that are offered and the desire for them to be uniform in appearance and for identification purposes during the op. But the real question is why don't those operators have their shemaghs on!! 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:07:12 AM EDT
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Blah... I wore that boring crap decades ago when we still rocked mp5’s, Fritz helmets and our phones didn’t have cameras. CDI factor = 0 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32167/D69437AC-B95B-4E86-AE38-AC2BDF9FC0E8-504335.jpg
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:12:24 AM EDT
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If the same SWAT guys people are bitching about were posting pictures of their gear in the Armory subforum, some of you guys would be all over their multicam clad jocks
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:18:19 AM EDT
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Why does 87% of arf dress up like SF? But mah clothes bro! Amazing. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1om9rx46mE/maxresdefault.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Make fun of me all you want. I really like cops to look more like cops, and less like soldiers. I would rather have solid colors with lots of high vis "POLICE" on display than police looking like soldiers, complete with lo vis patches. Flame suit on. its a small detail, I know. I was talking with a friend about it once and she had an interesting take "well remember that prisoner, prison guard experiment? put cops in soldier uniforms and guess what they act like?"
Why does 87% of arf dress up like SF? But mah clothes bro! Amazing. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1om9rx46mE/maxresdefault.jpg So I have feeling most are just computer surfers who don't go outside and play with others. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:19:31 AM EDT
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Blah... I wore that boring crap decades ago when we still rocked mp5’s, Fritz helmets and our phones didn’t have cameras. CDI factor = 0 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32167/D69437AC-B95B-4E86-AE38-AC2BDF9FC0E8-504335.jpg The Shemaghs are straight up retarded though. Thats absurd, for about 50 different reasons and 100 percent "trying too hard" I really don't care if you rocked that shit in the ME as a TEIR 1 Delta operator. This is the US, ass. Not interested in looking like Kandahar here bro, thanks though |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:20:05 AM EDT
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Not SWAT, but the USCG VBSS teams are in Multicam. They used to wear the blue uniforms like everyone else until people started going down for heat casualties. They switched to multicam when they found that the crye uniforms and the MC color palate was much cooler and resulted in fewer heat casualties.
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From yesterday's Youtube shooting. SWAT operator in black. https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180403180429-11-youtube-incident-0403-exlarge-169.jpg I'm sweating just looking at that guy. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:21:34 AM EDT
[#25]
Everything should be ranger green
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:21:51 AM EDT
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Why does 87% of arf dress up like SF? But mah clothes bro! Amazing. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1om9rx46mE/maxresdefault.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Make fun of me all you want. I really like cops to look more like cops, and less like soldiers. I would rather have solid colors with lots of high vis "POLICE" on display than police looking like soldiers, complete with lo vis patches. Flame suit on. its a small detail, I know. I was talking with a friend about it once and she had an interesting take "well remember that prisoner, prison guard experiment? put cops in soldier uniforms and guess what they act like?"
Why does 87% of arf dress up like SF? But mah clothes bro! Amazing. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1om9rx46mE/maxresdefault.jpg |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:21:52 AM EDT
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It really makes me wonder if these folks who are bitching about multicam actual attend any training classes at all with regular civilians because it is all over the place. So I have feeling most are just computer surfers who don't go outside and play with others. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Make fun of me all you want. I really like cops to look more like cops, and less like soldiers. I would rather have solid colors with lots of high vis "POLICE" on display than police looking like soldiers, complete with lo vis patches. Flame suit on. its a small detail, I know. I was talking with a friend about it once and she had an interesting take "well remember that prisoner, prison guard experiment? put cops in soldier uniforms and guess what they act like?"
Why does 87% of arf dress up like SF? But mah clothes bro! Amazing. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1om9rx46mE/maxresdefault.jpg So I have feeling most are just computer surfers who don't go outside and play with others. OD/RG looks much better IMO |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:23:12 AM EDT
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Isn't that a Tactical Response class? The epitome of LARPing in place of solid training? (and I know one of his former assistant instructors whose still good friends with him, he and I disagree strongly on the value of TR's training) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Make fun of me all you want. I really like cops to look more like cops, and less like soldiers. I would rather have solid colors with lots of high vis "POLICE" on display than police looking like soldiers, complete with lo vis patches. Flame suit on. its a small detail, I know. I was talking with a friend about it once and she had an interesting take "well remember that prisoner, prison guard experiment? put cops in soldier uniforms and guess what they act like?"
Why does 87% of arf dress up like SF? But mah clothes bro! Amazing. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1om9rx46mE/maxresdefault.jpg  Tactical Response - High Risk Civilian Contractor - CQB (Raids and Rescues) 2012 |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:23:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus dude, when you're so old you have to take pic of your pic to get it online. That was real film. We could get that shit developed at the photo hut, next day even. Lol They keep it up, I’m Getting the slate drawings out next! |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:23:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not just throw a plate carrier over their uniform and grab an AR? Why the need to get decked all up in multicam pants, boots, and shirt? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:24:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI think they call it "Ranger Green" these days ;-)
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:27:59 AM EDT
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Make fun of me all you want. I really like cops to look more like cops, and less like soldiers. I would rather have solid colors with lots of high vis "POLICE" on display than police looking like soldiers, complete with lo vis patches. Flame suit on. its a small detail, I know. I was talking with a friend about it once and she had an interesting take "well remember that prisoner, prison guard experiment? put cops in soldier uniforms and guess what they act like?" Why do they need camo at all? Don't they need to be seen? For instance, not catching lead accidentally when going for the wrong guy's dog? I mean I thought you'd want everyone to know you were police... police are not supposed to be freaking MARSOC. For the life of me, I can't fathom why they need camo, tanks, grenades, MRAP, or any other .mil equipment. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:28:18 AM EDT
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The Shemaghs are straight up retarded though. Thats absurd, for about 50 different reasons and 100 percent "trying too hard" I really don't care if you rocked that shit in the ME as a TEIR 1 Delta operator. This is the US, ass. Not interested in looking like Kandahar here bro, thanks though Although I would tease him MERCILESSLY if I ever saw that stupid scarf make an appearance at work
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:28:49 AM EDT
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Isn't that a Tactical Response class? The epitome of LARPing in place of solid training? (and I know one of his former assistant instructors whose still good friends with him, he and I disagree strongly on the value of TR's training) My point is to simply show a bunch of civilians in .mil clothing doing military-ish things. Every one of these classes is filled to brim with dudes dressed like that. Lots of dudes in this thread are basically only mad because POLICE. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:29:23 AM EDT
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I think they call it "Ranger Green" these days ;-)
I'm behind the times. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:31:25 AM EDT
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This x1000 Why do they need camo at all? Don't they need to be seen? For instance, not catching lead accidentally when going for the wrong guy's dog? I mean I thought you'd want everyone to know you were police... police are not supposed to be freaking MARSOC. For the life of me, I can't fathom why they need camo, tanks, grenades, MRAP, or any other .mil equipment. 90% of the dudes on this site have a closet full of .mil shit. I do and I bet you do too. Fuck man, the AR15 was designed for mil. The only difference is, these cats are in real gunfights. EDIT: I like how you classify camo in the same group as tanks and grenades. Lemme get some of that badass camo bro.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:33:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This guy is ready. He's just missing the head-to-toe multicam.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c5/f7/53/c5f7537366a717dbb412ef3be1e6dd60.jpg |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:34:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love the expression on the guy on the top right... |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:34:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This x1000 Why do they need camo at all? Don't they need to be seen? For instance, not catching lead accidentally when going for the wrong guy's dog? I mean I thought you'd want everyone to know you were police... police are not supposed to be freaking MARSOC. For the life of me, I can't fathom why they need camo, tanks, grenades, MRAP, or any other .mil equipment. Sam Browne belts(Like the one in the Norman Rockwell painting above...) were a military issued item, as well as double action .38 and .32 revolvers. Literally everything the cops use is, in some form or another, a direct military hand me down or an evolutionary offshoot of a military hand me down. Golly gee, why would a tactical team who is buying BDUs buy the most commonly used color pattern for BDUs and tactical gear in the country?! I can't think of a logical reason. They should order a special run of navy blue BDUs. At 400% of the cost with no replacement support cause fucking nobody makes that. Fuck it, get it made out of wool while we're at it. With big gold buttons. PS SWAT teams don't have grenades, and they need armored cars because one of their most common calls is armed barricaded people who are shooting at them and I can't speak for every SWAT guy but most don't like getting shot. Please return to your regularly scheduled day of buying "paramilitary" items on gunbroker while bitching about other peoples cargo pockets. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:37:40 AM EDT
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Multicam
Green 
Black 
Gray 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:37:48 AM EDT
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I'm behind the times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think they call it "Ranger Green" these days ;-)
I'm behind the times. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:39:11 AM EDT
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There is a cop at the LHT class today wearing plaid in the shoot house. Lemme know how that is, I haven't taken it. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:40:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a cop at the LHT class today wearing plaid in the shoot house. https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29683888_1846443078720659_1593938543040258512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=51df96811035dd3cd799af6c7639f2ef&oe=5B308916 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:43:57 AM EDT
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RE: MRAPs
I know the common belief is the police department gets ALL OF THE TAX DOLLARS in a big duffel bag then flings them all over the place like they're at a strip club until it's gone then they GO GET MOAR, but they actually do have things called budgets and accounting. Should they a) Spend $30k on a bread truck then spend another $70k up-armoring it to obtain an armored car, or indefinitely lease a surplus pre-built armored car from the feds for pennies. Which is the more responsible use of local tax money? You tell me. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:45:20 AM EDT
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Damn, y'all are overlooking the best damn urban camo that was ever invented.
 Urban Tokyo Camouflage |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:45:35 AM EDT
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Damn man, I wish I was there! Lemme know how that is, I haven't taken it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is a cop at the LHT class today wearing plaid in the shoot house. Lemme know how that is, I haven't taken it. Ha! They are using a pic of my partner and I for the cover. We took the class last year. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:46:41 AM EDT
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You are aware that virtually every police uniform going back to the navy blue wool uniforms of yore originated as surplus MILITARY uniforms back when our military dressed like dumbasses to go kill people, right? Sam Browne belts(Like the one in the Norman Rockwell painting above...) were a military issued item, as well as double action .38 and .32 revolvers. Literally everything the cops use is, in some form or another, a direct military hand me down or an evolutionary offshoot of a military hand me down. Golly gee, why would a tactical team who is buying BDUs buy the most commonly used color pattern for BDUs and tactical gear in the country?! I can't think of a logical reason. They should order a special run of navy blue BDUs. At 400% of the cost with no replacement support cause fucking nobody makes that. Fuck it, get it made out of wool while we're at it. With big gold buttons. PS SWAT teams don't have grenades, and they need armored cars because one of their most common calls is armed barricaded people who are shooting at them and I can't speak for every SWAT guy but most don't like getting shot. Please return to your regularly scheduled day of buying "paramilitary" items on gunbroker while bitching about other peoples cargo pockets. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:46:47 AM EDT
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The only person I know who even owns a shemagh is a former Marine who spent like 8 years in combat and did a bunch of cool shit. For maximum GD triggering he is now on a SWAT team. Although I would tease him MERCILESSLY if I ever saw that stupid scarf make an appearance at work When I’m not using it, I tuck it inside like this: 
But everyone here can see right through that shit and know that it’s still the same item 50 years later, I’m really trying to be these guys 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:47:15 AM EDT
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Right? How pathetic must we really be when we are mad over the goddamn color of our clothes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Like the armor section.  How pathetic must we really be when we are mad over the goddamn color of our clothes. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:49:26 AM EDT
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I understand that wanting solid colors and POLICE in big letters is something like wanting this back: http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/the_runaway_by_norman_rockwell-400x513.jpg I get that times have changed. But i'm old fashioned at 35 I guess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mad respect for service, but IDGAF about your clothes or anyone elses. http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/the_runaway_by_norman_rockwell-400x513.jpg I get that times have changed. But i'm old fashioned at 35 I guess. |
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