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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:05:10 AM EDT
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I'm not going anywhere - Benitez gave CA DOJ what they asked for, not what they wanted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read this very carefully: Read it again. One more time The order does NOT apply to the magazines, it applies to the persons or business entities. In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:11:59 AM EDT
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"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." Thomas Jefferson
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:12:03 AM EDT
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Judge Roger T. Benitez is my hero. From the beautiful prose of his original ruling, to the timing of the ruling, to his latest stay (that isn't much of a stay).... Judge Benitez is a man that knows what he is about, and knows what freedom means and the cost thereof. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:34:50 AM EDT
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Better yet: What if we organize and send all of our wrappers to a pro-gun supporter? No fear of reprisals...and yet, think of the impact made by a guy in an empty swimming pool full of mag wrappers? "No evidence of mag sales, Becerra? Not in common use, Becerra?" |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:38:37 AM EDT
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Any Cali dudes still in need for mags can PM me. I can probably still get some shipped tomorrow. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I’m gonna be serious for a minute. This thread and those of you helping out, it’s a big deal and it means a lot to me because I wanted my son to have the opportunity to own some standard mags and give him some motivation to fight for his rights. My daughter is only 9 but my kids mean everything to me. Hurts a little they didn’t get to know the California I grew up in, which wasn’t perfect but was far better than how it is these days. So I extend my my gratitude, appreciation and thanks  ...
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:39:02 AM EDT
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Last mag order for now. A single Glock 33 rounder. My my wallet is begging for mercy. 
ETA: beat like a drum. 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:41:33 AM EDT
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If anyone needs mags, email me at [email protected] - I'm making a store run tomorrow and picking up mags to mail out at re-reimbursement cost plus shipping. Let me know what you want and how many you want. Prices will be full retail as I'm buying from local shops. I'll need paid/reimbursed by 5 PST for obvious reasons. ...
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:45:37 AM EDT
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I wonder if retailers are going to continue selling mags after 5pm. If the buyer bought at least 1 mag this week than they can lawfully keep buying more unless the 9th issues a more prohibitive stay. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:47:44 AM EDT
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What does the stay mean?
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:13:11 AM EDT
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What does the stay mean? Technically according to the current stay, if you bought 1 mag in the last week you can buy more past 5pm today. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:18:48 AM EDT
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I just let BCM know I'm pretty jaded about sharing the same state with them...you'd think a company would embrace selling freedom dispensers to oppressed citizens, guess those fat .gov contracts speak louder than freedom. Site sponsor or not, that's total bullshit on their part. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/320626/1D7CD4BF-EE7F-4B2F-8A6A-65B373AB1AE3_png-901484.JPG |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:26:16 AM EDT
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 tan gen 2 windowed, to be exact.Not crazy about the hole in my mags though. Have a square of duct tape covering them until I find a better solution. To anyone that did this with poly mags, check that your follower doesn't get hung up when it hits that hole. Mine did, I had to internally sand the flashing down that was made from when they drilled the holes. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:26:50 AM EDT
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He opened up a giant economy sized can of Caetano v. Massachusetts on CA DOJ. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That didn't happen in this case, and people scrambled to buy up as many mags as they could before the stay was granted. Now we see that Judge Benitez has stayed the ruling partly. He's stopped the flow of mags into the State (or he thinks he has) and has allowed those who bought the mags that made it in to keep them. But whenever that stay goes into effect, that's the mags they'll be contending with that are at issue. I'm not sure if this sort of situation is unprecedented (it likely isn't, but I don't have the info in front of me), but its unusual. My guess is that if the Court of Appeals overturns it, it'll be appealed again to an en banc review. And then it'll be appealed again. If ultimately the mag ban is upheld, I still believe a court is going to go back to the original enforcement date of the statute. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:30:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck grabagun I ordered with them Saturday and haven't seen or heard shit from them . Requests for an order update have gone unanswered also. Take a look at their BBB complaints and I really regret purchasing with them, apparently they are shady scumbags. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:31:05 AM EDT
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Please elaborate/explain the correlation to this case... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That didn't happen in this case, and people scrambled to buy up as many mags as they could before the stay was granted. Now we see that Judge Benitez has stayed the ruling partly. He's stopped the flow of mags into the State (or he thinks he has) and has allowed those who bought the mags that made it in to keep them. But whenever that stay goes into effect, that's the mags they'll be contending with that are at issue. I'm not sure if this sort of situation is unprecedented (it likely isn't, but I don't have the info in front of me), but its unusual. My guess is that if the Court of Appeals overturns it, it'll be appealed again to an en banc review. And then it'll be appealed again. If ultimately the mag ban is upheld, I still believe a court is going to go back to the original enforcement date of the statute. Mainly because of the common usage argument derived from Scalia's Heller and McDonald rulings. If mags over ten rounds are in common usage (and a government ban making them uncommon doesn't count)...then they are constitutionally protected. Unfortunately the case against the NY safe act failed because the 2nd circus court took the liberal Mother Jones internet blog as a source of facts, which said ARs and mags were not in common usage. The liberal NY judges ate it up. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:33:07 AM EDT
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Party's over  |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:41:16 AM EDT
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I have 100,000 standard mags if you want to send me money today for them.
It might take me a few years to mail them out though, but I’ll include a receipt dated today. 
Wink wink |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:43:39 AM EDT
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I'm not sure if anyone is getting my IMs. On the one hand I'm drinking but on the other I saw a red "inbox full can't send msgs till clear inbox" @jd2395 @brass @thewhitehorse @MILSPEC556 @fmj_shooter |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:46:03 AM EDT
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Not to turn this into a deals thread, but we have a ton of traffic here.
Brownells has a shit ton of mags in stock and on sale. $11-12/ea Grey and desert tan USGI W/Magpul follower $10/ea 10 pack of Gen 2 Pmags for $99 I was able to put 1000 of each in my cart. If I dont see them OOS by 5pm today, I will be disappoint. Edit: free shipping over $49 with code VB5 |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:49:48 AM EDT
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If anyone still needs mags PM me. I'll get them shipped today with a bill of sale showing you bought them before 1700.
You can pay me next time I see you. 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:52:43 AM EDT
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That's our Nolos case that got stun guns and tasers declared constitutionally protected in an 8-0 scotus ruling. Mainly because of the common usage argument derived from Scalia's Heller and McDonald rulings. If mags over ten rounds are in common usage (and a government ban making them uncommon doesn't count)...then they are constitutionally protected. Unfortunately the case against the NY safe act failed because the 2nd circus court took the liberal Mother Jones internet blog as a source of facts, which said ARs and mags were not in common usage. The liberal NY judges ate it up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That didn't happen in this case, and people scrambled to buy up as many mags as they could before the stay was granted. Now we see that Judge Benitez has stayed the ruling partly. He's stopped the flow of mags into the State (or he thinks he has) and has allowed those who bought the mags that made it in to keep them. But whenever that stay goes into effect, that's the mags they'll be contending with that are at issue. I'm not sure if this sort of situation is unprecedented (it likely isn't, but I don't have the info in front of me), but its unusual. My guess is that if the Court of Appeals overturns it, it'll be appealed again to an en banc review. And then it'll be appealed again. If ultimately the mag ban is upheld, I still believe a court is going to go back to the original enforcement date of the statute. Mainly because of the common usage argument derived from Scalia's Heller and McDonald rulings. If mags over ten rounds are in common usage (and a government ban making them uncommon doesn't count)...then they are constitutionally protected. Unfortunately the case against the NY safe act failed because the 2nd circus court took the liberal Mother Jones internet blog as a source of facts, which said ARs and mags were not in common usage. The liberal NY judges ate it up. Benitez disqualified any/all mother jones data in this one. Liberals suck... |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:55:17 AM EDT
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Talk about that Judge, what a fucking Indian Giver. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:56:36 AM EDT
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I have 100,000 standard mags if you want to send me money today for them. It might take me a few years to mail them out though, but I’ll include a receipt dated today.
Wink wink |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:59:37 AM EDT
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Last mag order for now. A single Glock 33 rounder. My my wallet is begging for mercy. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:59:46 AM EDT
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If that's what you are thinking, you really don't appreciate the legal maneuvering he has done for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Talk about that Judge, what a fucking Indian Giver. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:02:37 AM EDT
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Well it lasted longer than i thought it would.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:03:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:07:05 AM EDT
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@Drummerguy1584 If you dont find a site, hit me up and I'll get you one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone have a line on a 25 round .308 pmag that's in stock and will ship to CA? If you dont find a site, hit me up and I'll get you one. I...don’t even have an AR10. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:11:37 AM EDT
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Grabagun has them. I...Wow...just borrowed money to buy some. I...don't even have an AR10. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:12:12 AM EDT
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From what I gather the way ahead from here is:
1. 9th says the mag restrictions are legal; opening the door to SCOTUS possibly taking it. 2. 9th says the mag restrictions illegal; CA gun owners win bigly Either way it gets interesting. We've wanted another SCOTUS gun case and this would be a big one. Do we know how long it takes 9th to do a case like this? Months? Years? (I really don't know) |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:15:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's our Nolos case that got stun guns and tasers declared constitutionally protected in an 8-0 scotus ruling. Mainly because of the common usage argument derived from Scalia's Heller and McDonald rulings. If mags over ten rounds are in common usage (and a government ban making them uncommon doesn't count)...then they are constitutionally protected. Unfortunately the case against the NY safe act failed because the 2nd circus court took the liberal Mother Jones internet blog as a source of facts, which said ARs and mags were not in common usage. The liberal NY judges ate it up. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:17:57 AM EDT
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From what I gather the way ahead from here is: 1. 9th says the mag restrictions are legal; opening the door to SCOTUS possibly taking it. 2. 9th says the mag restrictions illegal; CA gun owners win bigly Either way it gets interesting. We've wanted another SCOTUS gun case and this would be a big one. Do we know how long it takes 9th to do a case like this? Months? Years? (I really don't know) |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:18:26 AM EDT
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This is also why we generally need to know how many mags got shipped to California in a week. 'Common usage" numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:18:45 AM EDT
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Anyone who purchased at least 1 large-capacity-magazine is immune from 32310. Anyone who did not buy any mags revert to being illegal to buy LCMs. Technically according to the current stay, if you bought 1 mag in the last week you can buy more past 5pm today. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What does the stay mean? Technically according to the current stay, if you bought 1 mag in the last week you can buy more past 5pm today. 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:20:03 AM EDT
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So uh... Mr Trump, about those two remaining openings on the 9th... you wanna go ahead and make some nominations please.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:20:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How in the actual F*&^ is that even enforceable? |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:21:30 AM EDT
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How’s this work? Payment processed by 5pm pT? Or possession? PSA is selling cases of Pmags for $960 shipped. "I bought that on 4/4/19. I do not have a receipt and I do not have the sellers info." Burden of proof is on the state. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:24:24 AM EDT
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ETA possible deal pending. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:24:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How in the actual F*&^ is that even enforceable? |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:27:29 AM EDT
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Anyone who purchased at least 1 large-capacity-magazine is immune from 32310. Anyone who did not buy any mags revert to being illegal to buy LCMs. Technically according to the current stay, if you bought 1 mag in the last week you can buy more past 5pm today. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:28:25 AM EDT
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So uh... Mr Trump, about those two remaining openings on the 9th... you wanna go ahead and make some nominations please. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reshapes-9th-circuit-gop-judges-near-majority |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:29:53 AM EDT
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If that's what you are thinking, you really don't appreciate the legal maneuvering he has done for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Talk about that Judge, what a fucking Indian Giver. Some people are still playing checkers while the Judge is playing chess. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:30:13 AM EDT
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From what I gather the way ahead from here is: 1. 9th says the mag restrictions are legal; opening the door to SCOTUS possibly taking it. 2. 9th says the mag restrictions illegal; CA gun owners win bigly Either way it gets interesting. We've wanted another SCOTUS gun case and this would be a big one. Do we know how long it takes 9th to do a case like this? Months? Years? (I really don't know) |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:31:40 AM EDT
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5th amendment. "I bought that before 5pm 4/5/19. I do not have a receipt and I do not have the sellers info, but I do have my lawyers info." Burden of proof is on the state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How’s this work? Payment processed by 5pm pT? Or possession? PSA is selling cases of Pmags for $960 shipped. "I bought that before 5pm 4/5/19. I do not have a receipt and I do not have the sellers info, but I do have my lawyers info." Burden of proof is on the state. 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:32:52 AM EDT
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How in the actual F*&^ is that even enforceable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What does the stay mean? Technically according to the current stay, if you bought 1 mag in the last week you can buy more past 5pm today. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:33:03 AM EDT
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Buy for what you want, not just what you have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Grabagun has them. I...Wow...just borrowed money to buy some. I...don't even have an AR10. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:33:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless I’m mistaken, he filled them https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reshapes-9th-circuit-gop-judges-near-majority Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless I’m mistaken, he filled them https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reshapes-9th-circuit-gop-judges-near-majority Once Trump's latest picks to the 9th Circuit, including Ken Lee and Dan Collins, are confirmed as expected and remaining vacancies are filled Also one of his picks Bennett, who I wouldn't call pro gun by any means, doesn't really help us but likely hurts us. But not a lot of pro gun lawyers from Hawaii sadly for Trump to pick from. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:40:12 AM EDT
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From what I gather the way ahead from here is: 1. 9th says the mag restrictions are legal; opening the door to SCOTUS possibly taking it. 2. 9th says the mag restrictions illegal; CA gun owners win bigly Either way it gets interesting. We've wanted another SCOTUS gun case and this would be a big one. Do we know how long it takes 9th to do a case like this? Months? Years? (I really don't know) |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:40:57 AM EDT
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Legal speak. It makes no sense to anyone except lawyers. The difference in this case is that for once the legal speak that normally f**** gun owners over in this case f***** over our opponents. Be thankful Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: How in the actual F*&^ is that even enforceable? " was aimed more at the folks that think they can put a feral bobcat back in the bag. If you smack the liberty bell and freedom rings, you can't unsmack it.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:43:46 AM EDT
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Unfortunately the deep state move here is for SCOTUS to simply not take the case, ever and allow unconstitutional law to stand.
I wish there was a way to force them to do it. |
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