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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:24:16 AM EDT
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No more quoting liberalnik.
He was asked to leave. And a lot of people (me included) have him on ignore. Ed |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:25:11 AM EDT
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No, I'm saying that if a gun is locked in a safe when a gun owner is not home, then a burglar would have a more difficult time stealing that gun, and if the burglar doesn't steal the gun, then there will be one less gun in the hands of criminals. We want that result. If the parent of the insane guy in Newtown would have kept the rifle locked away from him, dozens of kids would be alive today. It's just one thing to prevent some shootings, and it doesn't infringe on the Second Amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all, thank you, for not dismissing me out of hand. I agree: stuff like "fast and furious," definitely, we need to look out for that. We need to defend our rights. However, I think we also can at least try to come up with some solutions. I mean, even little things might help. Example: What if a state government that has sales taxes excludes taxes for gun safes and lock boxes? It's a tiny step, but maybe a few more people would buy gun safes and lock up their guns, not just in case they have a mentally ill person in the house, but also to make it harder for criminals to steal guns when the owners aren't home. If the parent of the insane guy in Newtown would have kept the rifle locked away from him, dozens of kids would be alive today. It's just one thing to prevent some shootings, and it doesn't infringe on the Second Amendment. Go back to DU. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:28:45 AM EDT
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The Littlelest ones to have passed  one of the Girls did Survive and the boy in the last pic is alive as of now took 4 rounds may have been the kid they were talking about earlier
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/11/06/05/460EB78100000578-5052163-Six_year_old_Brooke_was_shot_and_died_according_to_family-a-102_1509946447810.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/11/06/05/460EB76700000578-5052477-Two_of_her_three_daughters_survived_eight_year_old_Emily_sitting-a-12_1509944594525.jpg Sisters six-year-old Brooke (left) and eight-year-old Emily Garza (pictured, right, sitting on the right, next to her sister Rihanna) were killed in the shooting according to her family. Nine-year-old Rihanna (sitting next to Emily had her glasses shot off her face but survived http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/11/06/02/460EB78800000578-5052163-Six_year_old_Rylan_Ward_the_stepson_of_feared_dead_mother_of_fou-m-86_1509935524656.jpg Six-year-old Rylan Ward, (right) the stepson of feared-dead mother-of-four Joann Ward, was shot four times and is in surgery This litterally makes my blood boil. That fucking piece of shit.. What kind of subhuman cluster of rotting cells can do that |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:29:35 AM EDT
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Lug1, nobody is blaming the gun owners. We're suggesting a way to prevent thieves from stealing guns. Right now, I'm a hypocrite because if someone broke into my house, there are guns they could steal (and a few they couldn't). I live alone, so I'm not worried about kids or teens getting them, but I probably should have everything locked up to prevent bad guys from possibly arming themselves at my expense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all, thank you, for not dismissing me out of hand. I agree: stuff like "fast and furious," definitely, we need to look out for that. We need to defend our rights. However, I think we also can at least try to come up with some solutions. I mean, even little things might help. Example: What if a state government that has sales taxes excludes taxes for gun safes and lock boxes? It's a tiny step, but maybe a few more people would buy gun safes and lock up their guns, not just in case they have a mentally ill person in the house, but also to make it harder for criminals to steal guns when the owners aren't home. GTFO! |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:30:38 AM EDT
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@pcsutton Remember back on Page 11 of this thread, when you were all concerned that various people's comments (mine included) were derailing the thread? And here you are 50 some pages later. How did that work out for you?  
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:32:22 AM EDT
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Well damn I hope if you have a car it's also in a safe. A guy in a vehicle killed a bunch of people in New York just a few days ago you know? GTFO! 
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:33:03 AM EDT
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No more quoting liberalnik. He was asked to leave. And a lot of people (me included) have him on ignore. Ed |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:35:26 AM EDT
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Thanks Ed! BOOM! Headshot!
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:35:53 AM EDT
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Lug1, nobody is blaming the gun owners. We're suggesting a way to prevent thieves from stealing guns. Right now, I'm a hypocrite because if someone broke into my house, there are guns they could steal (and a few they couldn't). I live alone, so I'm not worried about kids or teens getting them, but I probably should have everything locked up to prevent bad guys from possibly arming themselves at my expense. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:37:51 AM EDT
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”We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries. But this isn’t a guns situation,“ [the President] said. ”Fortunately somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction. 
If it's confirmed that the local armed citizen both stopped the immediate threat and ended this sorry bastard's life, that fact needs to be shouted from the rooftops by every means at our disposal. There are no legislative, legal or medical solutions to the mass shooter problem. The only effective deterrent is an armed public. Make it likely that as soon as someone brandishing a weapon is identified as a threat they are probably going to catch one between the eyes, and the attacks will slow to a trickle if not stop entirely. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:38:11 AM EDT
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What next ? They steal your car and ram into a croud ? Will you feel guilty too ? He'll likely be back to make it permanent tomorrow.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:39:00 AM EDT
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@seedlings @eviljoe This is the group he joined on facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1441961382721180/ TOGETHER WE RISE Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where is the evidence Deadvin is antifa supporter? Anyone have that? It would help with a cousin posting DNC, anti-NRA talking-points... @eviljoe This is the group he joined on facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1441961382721180/ TOGETHER WE RISE |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:45:52 AM EDT
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hmm...should we allow massacres or not, tough decision. she had plenty of time to "do something" |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:47:12 AM EDT
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Occupy demoncrats Facebook page alot of people are calling this guy a Christian white extremist
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:52:23 AM EDT
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http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6bfrcE2n21rziwwco2_500.gif I'm drunk and diluted. No one agrees with me . And yet I remain. Soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6bfrcE2n21rziwwco2_500.gif I'm drunk and diluted. No one agrees with me . And yet I remain. Soon. Quoted:
When I awake...on the 'morrow...thou shalt be gone. https://68.media.tumblr.com/496b132f6621f4eaee4957cb47fa9cbe/tumblr_inline_o4oeamO8tl1ttcc3o_1280.jpg 
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:55:34 AM EDT
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Thank Aimless too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks Ed! BOOM! Headshot! |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 5:56:25 AM EDT
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Bitch has been there how long? she had plenty of time to "do something" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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hmm...should we allow massacres or not, tough decision. she had plenty of time to "do something" |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:01:17 AM EDT
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Thank Aimless too.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:02:41 AM EDT
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I just got back from a patrol a half hour ago, and after describing the carnage, they ended with "The shooter also died in that incident." Just tacked on as an afterthought, with no mention at all of how he came to be dead.
ETA sorry, I mean to say, on the radio (FOX news)
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:23:55 AM EDT
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Am I a wizard?
No. Aimless is a loose cannon!
https://media.giphy.com/media/2ept7eRuyq98s/giphy.gif 
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:32:11 AM EDT
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So have they figured out how he was able to buy his gun with a DV conviction on his record?
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:36:35 AM EDT
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Front page, below the fold, of the Tulsa World, subheading,"Gunman found dead after fleeing scene".
And in the body, it only says "As he left, he was confronted by an armed resident who chased him. A short time later, the suspect was found dead in his vehicle at the county line, Martin said." That's it. Tell me that's not slanted AF.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:37:26 AM EDT
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So have they figured out how he was able to buy his gun with a DV conviction on his record? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:37:33 AM EDT
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So have they figured out how he was able to buy his gun with a DV conviction on his record? Quote HistoryQuoted:
So have they figured out how he was able to buy his gun with a DV conviction on his record? _____ ETA: CNN sez:
In April 2016, Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle he used in the shooting from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio, Texas, a law enforcement official said. He indicated he didn't have a disqualifying criminal history when he filled out the background check paperwork at the store, the official said. Kelley listed a Colorado Springs, Colorado, address when he bought the gun. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:41:35 AM EDT
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We've seen statements from the guy flagged down to drive the truck that chased down the shooter... anybody seen anything from the Good Samaritan himself? Has he even been publicly identified?
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:48:55 AM EDT
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Am I a wizard?
No. Aimless is a loose cannon!
https://media.giphy.com/media/2ept7eRuyq98s/giphy.gif 
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:50:54 AM EDT
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Well damn I hope if you have a car it's also in a safe. A guy in a vehicle killed a bunch of people in New York just a few days ago you know? GTFO! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all, thank you, for not dismissing me out of hand. I agree: stuff like "fast and furious," definitely, we need to look out for that. We need to defend our rights. However, I think we also can at least try to come up with some solutions. I mean, even little things might help. Example: What if a state government that has sales taxes excludes taxes for gun safes and lock boxes? It's a tiny step, but maybe a few more people would buy gun safes and lock up their guns, not just in case they have a mentally ill person in the house, but also to make it harder for criminals to steal guns when the owners aren't home. GTFO! |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:56:08 AM EDT
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Has it been said that he bought the AR at academy, but was bad papered out of the USAF for domestic x2?
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:56:09 AM EDT
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Front page, below the fold, of the Tulsa World, subheading,"Gunman found dead after fleeing scene". And in the body, it only says "As he left, he was confronted by an armed resident who chased him. A short time later, the suspect was found dead in his vehicle at the county line, Martin said." That's it. Tell me that's not slanted AF. So POS probably bleed out from wounds that GM gave him. I think they should have set his suv on fire when it stopped. Just to be sure. Ed |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:57:22 AM EDT
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When I go on vacation. I put the keys to my cars in my safe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all, thank you, for not dismissing me out of hand. I agree: stuff like "fast and furious," definitely, we need to look out for that. We need to defend our rights. However, I think we also can at least try to come up with some solutions. I mean, even little things might help. Example: What if a state government that has sales taxes excludes taxes for gun safes and lock boxes? It's a tiny step, but maybe a few more people would buy gun safes and lock up their guns, not just in case they have a mentally ill person in the house, but also to make it harder for criminals to steal guns when the owners aren't home. GTFO! Nevermind........I see there is this update thread. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:58:16 AM EDT
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Actually I paged aimless and norcal I reported a few people to try and calm things. Ed |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:59:59 AM EDT
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We've seen statements from the guy flagged down to drive the truck that chased down the shooter... anybody seen anything from the Good Samaritan himself? Has he even been publicly identified? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:01:26 AM EDT
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I haven't seen any interviews with Stephen Willeford, but I have seen a couple with Johnnie Langendorff. Both of these men are heroes, imho... though I believe it was Willeford that made the shots that finally got Kelley. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We've seen statements from the guy flagged down to drive the truck that chased down the shooter... anybody seen anything from the Good Samaritan himself? Has he even been publicly identified? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:02:37 AM EDT
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Good man with a gun pumping rounds into him as he exited the church. Causing to POS to drop his weapon, possibly from being hit. POS jumped into suv, which gets its back window shot out by GM. So POS probably bleed out from wounds that GM gave him. I think they should have set his suv on fire when it stopped. Just to be sure. Ed Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Front page, below the fold, of the Tulsa World, subheading,"Gunman found dead after fleeing scene". And in the body, it only says "As he left, he was confronted by an armed resident who chased him. A short time later, the suspect was found dead in his vehicle at the county line, Martin said." That's it. Tell me that's not slanted AF. So POS probably bleed out from wounds that GM gave him. I think they should have set his suv on fire when it stopped. Just to be sure. Ed "An armed citizen chased him. Later he was found dead." Nothing about the armed resident shooting him, flagging down a stranger, chasing at 95mph while calling 911, and securing the scene till the police arrived. The way it's written, the "armed citizen" might have chased him for 20 feet, then he drove off, and a while later someone stumbled across his body by accident. Can't say, it's not in the article. 
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:02:57 AM EDT
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I haven't seen any interviews with Stephen Willeford, but I have seen a couple with Johnnie Langendorff. Both of these men are heroes, imho... though I believe it was Willeford that made the shots that finally got Kelley. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We've seen statements from the guy flagged down to drive the truck that chased down the shooter... anybody seen anything from the Good Samaritan himself? Has he even been publicly identified? 
Interesting that a Google search for that name turns up only one hit from major U.S. news sites - and that one's from MSN, believe it or not. UK sites have a number of references to him. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:04:01 AM EDT
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Prayers to the members and familys of that church. I can not imagine have one or both of our boys taken like that. However, I am right there beside them every Sunday, ready.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:05:28 AM EDT
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I know what happened. Point is, there is no mention of it *at all* in the article. "An armed citizen chased him. Later he was found dead." Nothing about the armed resident shooting him, flagging down a stranger, chasing at 95mph while calling 911, and securing the scene till the police arrived. The way it's written, the "armed citizen" might have chased him for 20 feet, then he drove off, and a while later someone stumbled across his body by accident. Can't say, it's not in the article. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:05:44 AM EDT
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Has it been said that he bought the AR at academy, but was bad papered out of the USAF for domestic x2? So he lied on the 4473? edit it but there’s Still the domestic violence |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:06:12 AM EDT
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Thank you for not picking a fight! How about that tax-free idea on gun safes and lock boxes? He obviously has an agenda that is at odds with this site and he's forcefully derailing a thread about a mass shooting. I've never even heard of him before and he pops up on there to spout BS |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:06:18 AM EDT
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Well shit, Hell's about to freeze-over.
MS-LSD just gave the citizens that chased/stopped the perp a Atta-Boy. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:09:06 AM EDT
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Thanks, I hadn't even heard the name Stephen Willeford. Still catching up on 40 pages of backlog since I logged out yesterday.
Member Gunwritr/David Fortier did a good summary write up and started a clean, new thread to share the details as we know them. It can be found here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Texas-Church-Shooting-concise-report-of-what-happened-as-we-know-now-multiple-updates-in-OP/5-2048865/?page=1 |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:14:29 AM EDT
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I removed peacenick from gd but pretty much all these threads are useless after a few pages now with all the same conspiracy nonsense. I don’t bother with them after the initial incident is over anymore They devolve into a 50 to 100 page echo chamber, usually by D plus One. I think the most annoying thing about this one (aside from peacenik) was the guy who kept posting the same rehashed "update" every five minutes. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:15:45 AM EDT
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Well shit, Hell's about to freeze-over. MS-LSD just gave the citizens that chased/stopped the perp a Atta-Boy.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:18:10 AM EDT
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Uh, Lanza fucking killed his mom and then took her guns. What kind of safe has no keys or a combination that can't be gotten by a determined POS? Go back to DU. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:19:46 AM EDT
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First of all, thank you, for not dismissing me out of hand. I agree: stuff like "fast and furious," definitely, we need to look out for that. We need to defend our rights. However, I think we also can at least try to come up with some solutions. I mean, even little things might help. Example: What if a state government that has sales taxes excludes taxes for gun safes and lock boxes? It's a tiny step, but maybe a few more people would buy gun safes and lock up their guns, not just in case they have a mentally ill person in the house, but also to make it harder for criminals to steal guns when the owners aren't home. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:24:57 AM EDT
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Did he shoot him as he fled or did he shoot a guy that was killing people then cam walking towards him with a gun and decicided to defend himself then follow a wounded man until the truck crashed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. It's a ride to prison unless the suspect was fleeing the commission of a felony and a reasonable person believed suspect was likely to cause death or SBI to another person. In this case legal, in cases of property crimes you'll go to the pen using deadly force when suspect is merely fleeing but posing no imminent threat. Did he kill his kids and ex? The Facebook page said ex was out of town with her mom. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:27:16 AM EDT
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An interesting angle to the whole issue of concealed carry in churches....
I read an article last night that said he started shooting from outside the church. If reported correctly, he did a couple of magazines from the outside in and then he went in to continue shooting. If true, no CCW would have had an impact. That is kind of scary because our Church is very similar in style and I sit just inside the front doors doing the sound board and video monitors. If attacked similarly, there might not be much in the way of protection for me. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:28:00 AM EDT
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I know what happened. Point is, there is no mention of it *at all* in the article. "An armed citizen chased him. Later he was found dead." Nothing about the armed resident shooting him, flagging down a stranger, chasing at 95mph while calling 911, and securing the scene till the police arrived. The way it's written, the "armed citizen" might have chased him for 20 feet, then he drove off, and a while later someone stumbled across his body by accident. Can't say, it's not in the article. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Front page, below the fold, of the Tulsa World, subheading,"Gunman found dead after fleeing scene". And in the body, it only says "As he left, he was confronted by an armed resident who chased him. A short time later, the suspect was found dead in his vehicle at the county line, Martin said." That's it. Tell me that's not slanted AF. So POS probably bleed out from wounds that GM gave him. I think they should have set his suv on fire when it stopped. Just to be sure. Ed "An armed citizen chased him. Later he was found dead." Nothing about the armed resident shooting him, flagging down a stranger, chasing at 95mph while calling 911, and securing the scene till the police arrived. The way it's written, the "armed citizen" might have chased him for 20 feet, then he drove off, and a while later someone stumbled across his body by accident. Can't say, it's not in the article. The way things were moving, I thought you were trying to catch up. The press is worthless. They could make it sound like Lincoln died from falling out of his chair, if they were covering him back then. Ed |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:31:53 AM EDT
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Daily Mail made it sound like he had a hostage, any truth in it? Did he kill his kids and ex? The Facebook page said ex was out of town with her mom. Not sure if he did manage to kill his ex and kids. I don't think they've reported it yet. There were said to be earlier reports that he killed them prior to getting to the church, but not sure if that is unfounded or not. Haven't seen it mentioned anyplace I've read. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:33:24 AM EDT
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An interesting angle to the whole issue of concealed carry in churches.... I read an article last night that said he started shooting from outside the church. If reported correctly, he did a couple of magazines from the outside in and then he went in to continue shooting. If true, no CCW would have had an impact. That is kind of scary because our Church is very similar in style and I sit just inside the front doors doing the sound board and video monitors. If attacked similarly, there might not be much in the way of protection for me. |
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