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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:40:55 AM EDT
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You can't have a thread about Christianity without the special snowflakes coming in to post their drivel. Its a different story if its chicks with dicks thread.... They love those. Christianity however, ruffles their jimmies. https://media.giphy.com/media/ac7MA7r5IMYda/giphy.gif Not sure which truth has offended you more, Christianity or the attitude in GD. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:41:41 AM EDT
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I imagine Goliath had a pituitary gland tumor and was therefore very tall but hardly formidable. People with that problem and that tall are plagued with health problems and can't even get out of their own way. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/smGf37s64sc/maxresdefault.jpg |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:42:20 AM EDT
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Next topic: a fire breathing dragon is in the Bible. Discuss.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:43:31 AM EDT
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The Philistines were a non-Semetic people who came from Europe in the 'Sea People' invasions of the region. And I thought the Canaanite language/writing was semitic, even if the residents weren't. Can't recall. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:44:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:45:16 AM EDT
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Sources closer to the event usually have more credibility than those written hundreds of years later. First Samuel was written in 721 at the latest, based on events described in the text. The Septuagint was translated from Hebrew into Greek c. 200 BC. The Essenes sealed the Qumran scrolls between 200 - 100 BC. Josephus died in 100 AD. You may give weight where you choose, but the proper study of history (usually called the Historical Method, or the Documentary Method) will assign weight in accordance with my first sentence above. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And as far as Goliath, I may give weight to the Septuagint, 4Q51 Samuel^a, and Josephus, and say Goliath was 6'9". You may give weight where you choose, but the proper study of history (usually called the Historical Method, or the Documentary Method) will assign weight in accordance with my first sentence above. The DSS is the oldest surviving textual evidence of 1 Samuel in Hebrew. The earliest complete Masoretic Text extant is from 1000 AD, the Leningrad Codex. Though some incomplete copies go back to the 800s and 900s. We have copies of the LXX back to the 450s, and plenty of fragments earlier than that. In textual criticism, earlier extant texts take precedence. That's why the latest copies of the Critical Text (NA or UBS) all use the DSS readings in certain variants. And the latest editions of the NIV, ESV, CSB, and others, go with these readings. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:45:22 AM EDT
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Pfft but could David take a full punch from SquatDog ? I think that is the real question everyone wants to know.....
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Posted: 7/4/2017 12:00:28 PM EDT
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I was unaware of the Sumerian records. That would tend to contradict the "accepted biblical scholars" 6000 year old earth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@maggiethecat Sumerian records covering the same period say their people lived 10s of thousands of years. There may have been things going on that we don't understand today. It's history (not reproducible), not science (reproducible). A) Not if the Sumerians are the ones exaggerating. B) I have a strong difference of opinion with people who are attempting to add the ages of individuals and events to come up with the date the Earth was created. Taking as a base assumption that the Garden of Eden was real and Creation happened as described, how long were Adam and Eve in the Garden before they ate the fruit? They were immortal at that point and could have waited 10,000 years before getting tempted enough to eat the forbidden fruit. Now I have no dog in this particular fight. I'm what the media would have called a Fundamentalist Christian back in the 90s, but nowhere in the Bible do we have enough information to determine the age of the earth. There's no way to even determine when The Flood occurred, so how do we go back beyond that? Let me clarify this a bit. When you see SoAndSo, son of SuchAndSuch in the OT SoAndSo may actually be the son, grandson, or great grandson of SuchAndSuch. The complete lineage was not always put into the Biblical text. The Israelites did, however, keep extensive genealogical records. Those records were destroyed when the 2nd Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. So as you can see, attempting to determine the age of the Earth from genealogical records in the OT is akin to asking about a plane on a treadmill in GD. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 12:06:40 PM EDT
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Since we're talking about giaganticism and whether or not Goliath had it, I have a serious medical question. If people with that problem have a pituitary gland that is out of control, can't the gland be removed? Do you need it to live? his growth was basically stopped at 15 with his 2nd surgery. much of his pituitary was removed. He needs 3 pills 2x a day to survive the rest of his life. We are blessed that it is where it is. he has had a steady and normal life for 4 yrs and looks to continue. BAck to topic.... The way Goliath is explained it seems entirely possible an unchecked pituitary tumor could have been involved. Cant wait til I get to Heaven to ask all these questions. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 12:34:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 12:37:35 PM EDT
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A normal cubit is roughly equal to 18 inches. A long cubit is 21. By those measurements, Goliath was 9 feet tall. The flood waters are 45 feet. He was a pretty tall MF'er |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 12:39:18 PM EDT
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How old is the Earth according to the bible? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 1:21:50 PM EDT
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And conversely, no one is forcing you to click on a thread that is contrary to your beliefs. Did you get so offended by this thread that you personally (in your arrogance) had to come in and set everyone straight? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/356246/Wrong-on-the-Internet-245800.png |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 1:25:50 PM EDT
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I understand your position. However, my story is quite different. For some of us, God has done things that cannot be discounted, dismissed, minimized, or ignored. I am one of those people. I often wonder if He will judge me differently or more strictly because of my experiences and hold me more accountable. If you are right, I hope god takes mercy on all of us. I just don't believe you are right, but that's my opinion. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 1:52:32 PM EDT
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Hillary was born much later. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/4/2017 2:03:17 PM EDT
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@usmc_delaware according to the TED talk video above, David's stone was traveling at the speed equivalent to a 45mm handgun round. So 45mm it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What round for Goliath?? ETA: for sake of full disclosure, my carry gun is a g26. I just like stirring this shitstorm thread as much as possible. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 2:06:01 PM EDT
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The truth really tends to offend people who don't want to hear it. Not sure which truth has offended you more, Christianity or the attitude in GD. I don't post in the Religion form because that's where the real serious believers hang out. GD is where the fun is at. "The Truth" you mentioned is entertaining, to me. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 2:07:28 PM EDT
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The Bible doesn't weigh in on the matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are some excellent books written by people who felt the same way as you, went out to prove it, and ended up coming to a much different conclusion. You should read "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel as a starting point. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 2:52:40 PM EDT
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Looks like someone is being a bit....what was the word you used the other day....douchey? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whew! Thank the mighty Odin that someone really took the time to classify giants for us. http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/275/034/8c2.jpg |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 2:55:51 PM EDT
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Satan can't get a hold on anyone without their acquiescence. What does that say about "them?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sad but true, I guess satan's got a hold on them... 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 3:02:27 PM EDT
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I was unaware of the Sumerian records. That would tend to contradict the "accepted biblical scholars" 6000 year old earth. It doesn't work like that. I think you underestimate the diversity of belief among Christians. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 3:06:52 PM EDT
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What about the people the Bible says live almost 1000 years? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_of_aging You aren't a science denier, are you? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 3:07:03 PM EDT
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I don't post in the Religion form because that's where the real serious believers hang out. To post there, you must "respect all religions", and I most certainly do not do that. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 3:44:17 PM EDT
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Great Ted talk on how David easily kicked Goliath's ass.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziGD7vQOwl8
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Posted: 7/4/2017 4:01:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 4:15:40 PM EDT
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What round for Goliath?? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 4:34:06 PM EDT
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You're probably right. Saul was mostly known for his stature, that was one of the biggest (no pun intended) reasons for him being selected to be king. However, there isn't any literary proof that I know of that suggested he was abnormally large compared to his countrymen. At 6'4", he'd have been almost a foot taller than everybody else, which doesn't fit what is written about him. I think the sweet spot for his height is just under 6', most likely 5'11", which would have been about 4-6" taller than just about everybody around him. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 4:35:23 PM EDT
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That is not correct at all. I am a "real serious believer" and I almost never post in the Religion Forum. To post there, you must "respect all religions", and I most certainly do not do that. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 4:43:54 PM EDT
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Not a difficult question to answer. 6 Cubits and a Span
The hard part is "who" measured as there was no real standard unit of measure in those days, well, as per today's standards. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:02:53 PM EDT
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If the flood was 45 feet deep, why didn't people just go to higher ground? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A normal cubit is roughly equal to 18 inches. A long cubit is 21. By those measurements, Goliath was 9 feet tall. The flood waters are 45 feet. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:22:36 PM EDT
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That is not correct at all. I am a "real serious believer" and I almost never post in the Religion Forum. To post there, you must "respect all religions", and I most certainly do not do that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't post in the Religion form because that's where the real serious believers hang out. To post there, you must "respect all religions", and I most certainly do not do that. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:23:39 PM EDT
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Does the Bible state that Goliath was a Nephilim? Where? However, the flood was destroyed them and only Noah and his family was left. So based on the last part....no, he was not. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:47:52 PM EDT
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Cause tha earth is flat. Duh. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A normal cubit is roughly equal to 18 inches. A long cubit is 21. By those measurements, Goliath was 9 feet tall. The flood waters are 45 feet. skinny79: "What are two things killswitch hasn't read." Trebek: "That's correct, your board..." |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:26:47 PM EDT
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It is widely said by many Bible scholars that yes, he was a descendant of them. However, the flood was destroyed them and only Noah and his family was left. So based on the last part....no, he was not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the Bible state that Goliath was a Nephilim? Where? However, the flood was destroyed them and only Noah and his family was left. So based on the last part....no, he was not. Edit: See below. This topic is very, very commonly misremembered/misrepresented among Christian believers and from the pulpit. Genesis 6:4 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:34:09 PM EDT
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Drive by posting somewhat, I don't have the reference, but the "Nephilim" survived the flood. Scripture mentions them ..."and after the Flood." I'll see if I can dig out a reference. Edit: See below. This topic is very, very commonly misremembered/misrepresented among Christian believers and from the pulpit. Genesis 6:4 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the Bible state that Goliath was a Nephilim? Where? However, the flood was destroyed them and only Noah and his family was left. So based on the last part....no, he was not. Edit: See below. This topic is very, very commonly misremembered/misrepresented among Christian believers and from the pulpit. Genesis 6:4 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. See Numbers 13. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:45:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:47:19 PM EDT
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Just to add, I come to a religious thread in GD for discussion, debate, and disagreement. The religious forum is there for a different reason. #1. Religious folks inspire other folks whom are already religious. #2. Religious folks got laughed at by atheists. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:53:00 PM EDT
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Dude, Genesis 6 is pre flood. See Numbers 13. Are the Nephilim, whatever they were, around today? I have no idea. But Scripture describes them as being around during the time before the Flood, and after. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:56:09 PM EDT
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There are 2 outcomes for Jesus threads on GD. #1. Religious folks inspire other folks whom are already religious. #2. Religious folks got laughed at by atheists. Baal doesn't laugh at the non-believers. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:58:34 PM EDT
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Yes it is. It was describing "those days," "and after." Numbers 13 does nothing to dispel this. Are the Nephilim, whatever they were, around today? I have no idea. But Scripture describes them as being around during the time before the Flood, and after. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dude, Genesis 6 is pre flood. See Numbers 13. Are the Nephilim, whatever they were, around today? I have no idea. But Scripture describes them as being around during the time before the Flood, and after. I posted Numbers 13:33 already. I just don't see the Anakim as being Nephilim, just that they were a large race. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:59:35 PM EDT
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There are 2 outcomes for Jesus threads on GD. #1. Religious folks inspire other folks whom are already religious. #2. Religious folks got laughed at by atheists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just to add, I come to a religious thread in GD for discussion, debate, and disagreement. The religious forum is there for a different reason. #1. Religious folks inspire other folks whom are already religious. #2. Religious folks got laughed at by atheists. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:03:43 PM EDT
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How old is the Earth according to the bible? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:11:02 PM EDT
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There are 2 outcomes for Jesus threads on GD. #1. Religious folks inspire other folks whom are already religious. #2. Religious folks got laughed at by atheists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just to add, I come to a religious thread in GD for discussion, debate, and disagreement. The religious forum is there for a different reason. #1. Religious folks inspire other folks whom are already religious. #2. Religious folks got laughed at by atheists. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:12:39 PM EDT
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If scripture says it, post the verses. I posted Numbers 13:33 already. I just don't see the Anakim as being Nephilim, just that they were a large race. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dude, Genesis 6 is pre flood. See Numbers 13. Are the Nephilim, whatever they were, around today? I have no idea. But Scripture describes them as being around during the time before the Flood, and after. I posted Numbers 13:33 already. I just don't see the Anakim as being Nephilim, just that they were a large race. 
Did you not read the first post of mine you quoted? The Sons of God were the so-called Nephilim. I never said the Anakim were Nephilim; they may have been descendants of them, or merely were so large people thought they were. It doesn't apply here. Reading comprehension? The fun discussion comes when we start discussing the Ages of Man, and how many signs point to civilization having been around tens of thousands of years ago. Gobekli Tepe shakes the foundations of history, for one. A previous poster mentioned the Scripture applying to the latest version of the Etch-a-Sketch Earth and the humans that cling to it. Who knows? The Bible as we have it is one of the best historical documents we have, but it only goes so far. Who did Cain marry? How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden? It can be hard to tell allegory from hard facts when reading oral history from millennia ago. You can do your best with context and historical analysis but it leaves room for discussion, for sure. <---- A Christian my whole life, btw. Being a believer doesn't require discounting anything that doesn't mesh with your personal interpretation of Scripture. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:12:46 PM EDT
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As far as your #2 is concerned, those who have truly experienced the love of Christ and have a true walk with God are not perturbed at all by the laughter of atheists. I perceive it in a similar fashion as you might hear the fearful high pitched screams of a tormented and injured dog that you reach down to help and it squalls and tries to bite your hand. You reach down anyway and continue trying to calm its tormented soul and show it love and bring it a little peace. A reprobate mind doesn't know what is pure and holy and powerful. It craves drugs and porn, it's addictions, the rolling around in its own filth. They are unable to know the higher calling they were created for and the meaning of true peace and joy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:24:40 PM EDT
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Did you not read the first post of mine you quoted? The Sons of God were the so-called Nephilim. I never said the Anakim were Nephilim; they may have been descendants of them, or merely were so large people thought they were. It doesn't apply here. Reading comprehension? The fun discussion comes when we start discussing the Ages of Man, and how many signs point to civilization having been around tens of thousands of years ago. Gobekli Tepe shakes the foundations of history, for one. A previous poster mentioned the Scripture applying to the latest version of the Etch-a-Sketch Earth and the humans that cling to it. Who knows? The Bible as we have it is one of the best historical documents we have, but it only goes so far. Who did Cain marry? How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden? It can be hard to tell allegory from hard facts when reading oral history from millennia ago. You can do your best with context and historical analysis but it leaves room for discussion, for sure. <---- A Christian my whole life, btw. Being a believer doesn't require discounting anything that doesn't mesh with your personal interpretation of Scripture. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dude, Genesis 6 is pre flood. See Numbers 13. Are the Nephilim, whatever they were, around today? I have no idea. But Scripture describes them as being around during the time before the Flood, and after. I posted Numbers 13:33 already. I just don't see the Anakim as being Nephilim, just that they were a large race.
Did you not read the first post of mine you quoted? The Sons of God were the so-called Nephilim. I never said the Anakim were Nephilim; they may have been descendants of them, or merely were so large people thought they were. It doesn't apply here. Reading comprehension? The fun discussion comes when we start discussing the Ages of Man, and how many signs point to civilization having been around tens of thousands of years ago. Gobekli Tepe shakes the foundations of history, for one. A previous poster mentioned the Scripture applying to the latest version of the Etch-a-Sketch Earth and the humans that cling to it. Who knows? The Bible as we have it is one of the best historical documents we have, but it only goes so far. Who did Cain marry? How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden? It can be hard to tell allegory from hard facts when reading oral history from millennia ago. You can do your best with context and historical analysis but it leaves room for discussion, for sure. <---- A Christian my whole life, btw. Being a believer doesn't require discounting anything that doesn't mesh with your personal interpretation of Scripture. The bible only speaks of the Nephilim directly in 2 places, or 3 if one accepts the variant reading in Ezekiel. You said "Scripture mentions them ..."and after the Flood." I'll see if I can dig out a reference." I'm just waiting for it. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:24:51 PM EDT
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If you don't like GD's responses to your constant religious trolling, you have a special safe space in the Religion forum. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:26:05 PM EDT
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You can't have a thread about Christianity without the special snowflakes coming in to post their drivel. Its a different story if its chicks with dicks thread.... They love those. Christianity however, ruffles their jimmies. This is GD. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:52:01 PM EDT
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Correct me if I missed anything, but your position is the Nephilim existed post flood because Genesis 6 says they existed before the flood? The bible only speaks of the Nephilim directly in 2 places, or 3 if one accepts the variant reading in Ezekiel. You said "Scripture mentions them ..."and after the Flood." I'll see if I can dig out a reference." I'm just waiting for it.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:01:39 PM EDT
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Do you deny current ground breaking research into the genetics of aging? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_of_aging You aren't a science denier, are you? |
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