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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:53:01 AM EDT
[#1]
The people CERTAIN that it happened this way or that put an awful lot of faith in a government known to keep very important information from its
I just don't believe anything... Are we even sure Kennedy is really dead? |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:54:03 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: one of my fav drills when i was practicing for PRS stuff was shooting plate racks at 500 yards and a dueling tree at 300 yards. five 6" plates, either vertically or horizontally and my clean time would almost always be 11-12 seconds. I've got plenty of videos of me shooting 2 plates at 400 yards in 2 seconds. and i'm not even that good. i bet the top 20% of prs shooters could beat that. granted, i was using a custom impact action and 6.5x47L not a ww2 gun and caliber. i may be talking out my ass as i don't recall ever shooting a carcano before, but it can't be that hard. i'm pretty sure you could shoot 3 rounds and get 2 hits in 6 seconds. The bolt open cam needs a bit of force but otherwise it’s fine. The trigger pull is light and smooth but a pretty long sweep. The safety is old school suckage and likely not used by anyone. Granted this is my experience with 2 Finnish surplus 7.35mm carcanos. A different but larger version of the older 6.5 Carcano. The zero with iron sights is very high from the post WW1 thinking of BZO to stupid long ranges. The guns were easily 3 MOA with italian surplus ammunition. Iirc 15” high at a 100 yards. All of which is irrelavent as Oswald used a 6.5 with a scope on it. In fact I think open sights would have been the better option at that 88 yard shot distance. Just not 15” high. 
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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:54:49 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The people CERTAIN that it happened this way or that put an awful lot of faith in a government known to keep very important information from its I just don't believe anything... Are we even sure Kennedy is really dead? I have no clue whether or not Oswald killed him, I am fairly confident that he COULD have made the shot. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:55:56 AM EDT
[#4]
They're not hard shots to make.
A friend and I got in trouble on a state range with a 5 seconds between shots rule, multiple times, shooting a Anshutz single shot target rifle, off-hand, at paper plates at 100yds while single loading out of an open federal bulk pack on the bench in front of us. The range What really happened to JFK, I have no idea, though the rifle shots aren't suspicious themselves. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:56:08 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I went there a few years back and looking out that same window this was my thought as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've been there, and looked out the window to the X they have painted on the street. A half ass rifle shooter could make that shot easy. I went there a few years back and looking out that same window this was my thought as well. Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:56:36 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo... only a lefty would even attempt firing on a moving target moving to the right. Oswald was right handed. The FBI commented that the rifle was zeroed for a left handed shooter... and zeroed by shimming the scope. We'll never know the truth about the most infamous murder in history. I don't know what that means. A zeroed rifle is zeroed. Certain configurations might be different. But with a scope, it's either zeroed or it isn't. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:57:00 AM EDT
[#7]
Simple ~60 yard shot.
All of the conspiracy theories including the magic bullet have been fully debunked. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:58:19 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my theory. And he took that to his grave. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ve always thought that President Kennedy walked into one that day. Or the grassy knoll. Or a Secret Service Guy had a negligent discharge. This is my theory. And he took that to his grave. Um, wouldn’t you? |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:58:24 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IDK if OldPainless still posts here, but it would be an awesome Box of Truth to recreate the shots.  Attached FileA bunch of us have done it. 10 MOA target at 80 yards one out of three times is child's play even without an optic. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:59:31 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s always interesting to see how critical certain people are of the “official” story yet they completely throw out all logic and reason in accepting the “alternate” version of events. It's fake critical thinking. They borrow someone else's reasoning and pretend it's their own. Hence, the apparent inconsistency. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 10:59:36 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. That's a $200 rifle in today's money. My Enfield cost $32. It was sitting in a barrel with other Enfields in a Gibson's hardware. Even as decrepit and cursed with cataracts as I am today, I STILL would have no trouble making that shot. Repeatedly. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:00:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4x scope? Rested. It should be pretty easy to get back on target. Knowing the first shot was a miss, it would be really easy to game it and fire with your focus being the bolt cycle and target acquisition for the second shot. Any theories on how he missed the first shot? That is the biggest mystery to me. Unless he was just shaking uncontrollably, then 2 shots on target in 6 seconds seems unlikely. Perhaps jitters but my best guess is he only practiced on a flat range. Shooting downward he needed to hold a little lower. If he actually was attempting a head shot then a miss was likely on a dead on hold. I doubt he was going for the head though. That’d be a dumb risk to his mission. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:00:47 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah I've been there also. Not that hard of shot. Not a easy shot and Oswald got lucky with the last shot that took off the top of his head. That was almost a miss. As far as the 6 second thing goes, that is between the shots. He might have aimed for several seconds before the first shot. The first shot starts the clock. After which you recover from recoil and work the bolt (those can be simultaneous operations), find the slow moving target in your 1960 vintage 4X Tasco, figure out why you missed, score a high torso hit, do it all over again aiming 10" higher and score a head shot. Possible but not easy, especially if you don't have experience shooting people and your blood is pounding in your ears. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:01:12 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've been there, and looked out the window to the X they have painted on the street. A half ass rifle shooter could make that shot easy. I went there a few years back and looking out that same window this was my thought as well. Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:01:24 AM EDT
[#15]
Hard to be in three places at once.
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:02:16 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been there, and looked out the window to the X they have painted on the street. A half ass rifle shooter could make that shot easy. Then a half-assed secret service certainly could have defended against it then... |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:02:38 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My Enfield cost $32. It was sitting in a barrel with other Enfields in a Gibson's hardware. Even as decrepit and cursed with cataracts as I am today, I STILL would have no trouble making that shot. Repeatedly. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:02:44 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When I read some books where people discuss shooting I immediately think of some of the threads here where people talk about sex. I have the same "are these guys just repeating what they've hears others say" reaction. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:02:50 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you own a Mosin-Nagant? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've been there, and looked out the window to the X they have painted on the street. A half ass rifle shooter could make that shot easy. I went there a few years back and looking out that same window this was my thought as well. Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. Yes. A 1944 Tula. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:03:08 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The bolt open cam needs a bit of force but otherwise it’s fine. The trigger pull is light and smooth but a pretty long sweep. The safety is old school suckage and likely not used by anyone. Granted this is my experience with 2 Finnish surplus 7.35mm carcanos. A different but larger version of the older 6.5 Carcano. The zero with iron sights is very high from the post WW1 thinking of BZO to stupid long ranges. The guns were easily 3 MOA with italian surplus ammunition. Iirc 15” high at a 100 yards. All of which is irrelavent as Oswald used a 6.5 with a scope on it. In fact I think open sights would have been the better option at that 88 yard shot distance. Just not 15” high. It's been postulated Oswald may have used the iron sights but the carcano sights are unique and not intuitive. The diagram shows how the front blade (mirino) is supposed to be positioned in the v notch.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:03:39 AM EDT
[#21]
To put into perspective the target size of ballpark 10 MOA a $400 AR from PSA with the cheapest contract overrun M193 will typically shoot a group a third to a quarter of the size needed. If a Carcano is a 5 MOA gun (most are significantly better) that's still twice the accuracy needed for consistent hits.
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:03:44 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted: I try to read 12 non-fiction books a year. This month's selection on my list was The JFK Assassination: Facts They Don't Want You To Know, by Philippe Cassard. Cassard is a European. One of his opinions, and he says most Europeans are of the same opinion, is that Americans are nuts or thinking a lone, crazed gunman could have pulled off the shots that happened in Dealy Plaza, Dallas, on November 22, 1963. In the chapter where Cassard examines ballistic evidence, there was this passage, which I thought arfcommers would find interesting: ...veteran, Carlos Hathcock, the best Marine fighter, confirmed that he had tried to carry out a series of gunshots in Quantico Marine Corps base under the same conditions as those Oswald was supposed to use on Dealey Plaza. Hathcock summed up the impossible task: "Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything ... I don’t know how many times we tried it but we couldn’t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. Now, if I can’t do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qualified on the rifle range and later only qualified as ‘marksman’ do it?" Relevant footnotes to the passage: 1. Jesse Ventura – They Killed Our President – 2013. Skyhorse Publishing, Inc. 2. Roberts Craig–Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza–1994. Consolidated Press I was alive and remember exactly where I was when I heard JFK was killed, even though I did not understand the implications at the time. I have a book on the Warren Commission Report that I inherited from my father, who, as a Korean War vet and lifetime hunter proclaimed tthat the report was "pure T horsesh*t". I did not know that Hathcock had participated in the reenactment, or that he had voiced an opinion.  Thousands of Americans make similar shots EVERY FALL. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:03:50 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. A 1944 Tula. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've been there, and looked out the window to the X they have painted on the street. A half ass rifle shooter could make that shot easy. I went there a few years back and looking out that same window this was my thought as well. Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. Yes. A 1944 Tula. And you don't think you could make a head shot at 60 yards from a resting position? |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:04:00 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been there, and looked out the window to the X they have painted on the street. A half ass rifle shooter could make that shot easy. When I went there I was shocked at how close it was and the angle. I had been told it was so far it was impossible |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:04:12 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then a half-assed secret service certainly could have defended against it then... What exactly, would they be defending against? The shooter was done. He was on his way out of the building long before any coherent response. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:05:29 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you ignore the laws of physics, JFK was shot in the forehead because his brains and skull ended up on the trunk of the vehicle he was riding in. Someone "found" Lee Harvey Oswald's nearly perfect bullet on JFK's stretcher on the way into the hospital, as if is it was captured by his clothing and fell there. One shot (the one that passed through JFK's back and hit John Conelly) was definitely fired from behind, whether LHO fired that, remains a mystery. Just so I have this right, there is zero blowback when shooting a human. Is that what you are saying? Then we have to look at the aspect of fast vehicle movement and the crime scene photos place a majority of the head wound debris in the vehicle.  |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:06:16 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't believe anything... Are we even sure Kennedy is really dead? He is chilling with Elvis and Tupac on an island, while Marilyn Monroe serves them tea. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:06:55 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you ignore the laws of physics, JFK was shot in the forehead because his brains and skull ended up on the trunk of the vehicle he was riding in. Someone "found" Lee Harvey Oswald's nearly perfect bullet on JFK's stretcher on the way into the hospital, as if is it was captured by his clothing and fell there. One shot (the one that passed through JFK's back and hit John Conelly) was definitely fired from behind, whether LHO fired that, remains a mystery. Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you ignore the laws of physics, JFK was shot in the forehead because his brains and skull ended up on the trunk of the vehicle he was riding in. Someone "found" Lee Harvey Oswald's nearly perfect bullet on JFK's stretcher on the way into the hospital, as if is it was captured by his clothing and fell there. One shot (the one that passed through JFK's back and hit John Conelly) was definitely fired from behind, whether LHO fired that, remains a mystery. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5934694/ U.S. President John F. Kennedy was assassinated while riding in an open motorcade by a sniper in Dallas, Texas on 22 November 1963. A civilian bystander, Mr. Abraham Zapruder, filmed the motorcade with a 8-mm home movie camera as it drove through Dealey Plaza, inadvertently recording an 8 second sequence of events that included a fatal gunshot wound to the President in the head. The accompanying backward motion of the President's head after impact appeared to support later "conspiracy theories" because it was claimed that this was proof of a shot from the front (in addition to one from behind). In this paper, simple one-dimensional dynamical models are uniquely applied to study in detail the fatal shot and the motion of the President's head observed in the film. Using known parameters from the crime scene, explicit force calculations are carried out for determining the projectile's retardation during tissue passage along with the resulting transfer of momentum and kinetic energy (KE). The computed instantaneous KE transfer within the soft tissue is found to be consistent with the formation of a temporary cavity associated with the observed explosion of the head, and subsequent quantitative examination of this phenomenon reveals two delayed forces at play in the backward motion of the President following impact. It is therefore found that the observed motions of President Kennedy in the film are physically consistent with a high-speed projectile impact from the rear of the motorcade, these resulting from an instantaneous forward impulse force, followed by delayed rearward recoil and neuromuscular forces. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379073822000949 Almost 60 years after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963, the majority of Americans are still reluctant to believe official reports presented by the commissions gathered in 1964 and again in 1976 that determined the direction of the shot resulting in the fatal head injury. Long-withheld, confidential government files released in 2017 reignited the controversy. The present investigation computationally simulated projectile-skull-impacts from the direction specified in official reports and from three other directions. Detailed geometric models of the human head and ammunition, as well as known parameters from the assassination site served as the supportive base for analysis. Constitutive mathematical models for the impact of projectile material with skull tissues at supersonic speed were employed to analyze bone and bullet fragmentation mechanics. Simulated fracture characteristics of bone and bullet were compared with photographic and X-ray evidence. The most likely origin of the fatal shot was determined based on the degree of corresponding deformation and fragmentation between simulation and documented evidence. Computational corroboration could be established as physically consistent with high-speed impact from the rear, as established by the official commissions. Simulations of three other speculative shot origins did not correspond with the documented evidence. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:07:21 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He is chilling with Elvis and Tupac on an island, while Marilyn Monroe serves them tea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just don't believe anything... Are we even sure Kennedy is really dead? He is chilling with Elvis and Tupac on an island, while Marilyn Monroe serves them tea. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:09:34 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been there, and looked out the window to the X they have painted on the street. A half ass rifle shooter could make that shot easy. BTDT, agree. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:09:42 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. I have a well used Carcano, so I'm familiar with how they shoot/operate. I'm not saying it would be a cake walk, but it's not something that seems at all impossible to me. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:10:13 AM EDT
[#32]
I've read that the shots with the distances and angles can be duplicated rather easily. I've never done it, of course.
Anyway, a nut job with a shitty rifle and little skill could luck into the kill shots, even if for one time. I'm thinking of some distant and "impossible" targets I have hit, more out of blind luck than anything else. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:11:10 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And you don't think you could make a head shot at 60 yards from a resting position? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've been there, and looked out the window to the X they have painted on the street. A half ass rifle shooter could make that shot easy. I went there a few years back and looking out that same window this was my thought as well. Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. Yes. A 1944 Tula. And you don't think you could make a head shot at 60 yards from a resting position? Moving? No. Lol Edit: if I did, then mostlikely not consistently. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:11:17 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I shot 3 does at 100 yards once, a shot every 2 seconds, using a model 7 bolt action in 308 while standing, and the last 2 running after the first shot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Three shots in 6 seconds on a moving target With a WWII Carcano? You must be very good. I shot 3 does at 100 yards once, a shot every 2 seconds, using a model 7 bolt action in 308 while standing, and the last 2 running after the first shot. [fucking eyeroll] Sure thing shooter… |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:13:10 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It sounds like he didn't even load the weapon until after the headshot too. After the headshot, or concurrent with the headshot? Manipulating the rifle with the safety off, simultaneous with the headshot, might help the M16 argument more than hurt it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:13:20 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BS. Been recreated mnay times. My high school buddies did it with a deer stand shooting into a draw with paper targets. Rifle was an iron sighted #4 Enfield since none of us owned a Carcano.  For the record, we also duplicated the MLK shooting with the same rifle. This is the sort of thread that convinces me that a hell of a lot of GD has never touched a rifle outside a video game. How did you duplicate the stress levels that would be induced by taking the shot in broad daylight with the intended target being the leader of the free world? It's not a difficult shot when done on paper with range conditions. I think the psychological aspect of the shot is often overlooked/rarely considered. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:13:28 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [fucking eyeroll] Sure thing shooter… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Three shots in 6 seconds on a moving target With a WWII Carcano? You must be very good. I shot 3 does at 100 yards once, a shot every 2 seconds, using a model 7 bolt action in 308 while standing, and the last 2 running after the first shot. [fucking eyeroll] Sure thing shooter…  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:15:02 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How did you duplicate the stress levels that would be induced by taking the shot in broad daylight with the intended target being the leader of the free world? It's not a difficult shot when done on paper with range conditions. I think the psychological aspect of the shot is often overlooked/rarely considered. How do you know he was stressed? After all, the man was a nutcase on a mission. Hell, it might have been the most fun he ever had. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:15:08 AM EDT
[#39]
A popular tongue in cheek Texas theory was they were attempting to assassinate Connolly.
JFK simply got in the way. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:15:22 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How did you duplicate the stress levels that would be induced by taking the shot in broad daylight with the intended target being the leader of the free world? It's not a difficult shot when done on paper with range conditions. I think the psychological aspect of the shot is often overlooked/rarely considered. If you are an agent of communism that has spent your entire life working against the West this would be a moment of joy and not fear. Oswald wasn't a criminal he was striking a blow for the workers of the world. Fucker was probably giggling. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:15:49 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which of those two sources was the alleged Hathcock quote from? I've never seen a serious shooter not think those were pretty basic conditions. It's... tough for me to believe. The source appears to be a Vietnam-era Marine sniper named Craig Roberts. He claims he spoke with Hathcock and that was his take. Roberts also has several books where he claims to have been a first-hand witness to a cover-up of the Oklahoma City bombing and numerous other conspiracies. I'm sure if he's alive today he would be happy to tell you all about his inside information regarding COVID vaccines and the 2020 election over beers at the VFW. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:16:09 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. Look at these junk rifles in these ads....   Enfield is trash and no way you could hit a 100 yd shot. Swiss one is trash too. 1903 is trash Do you want me to keep finding ads or are you going to admit a less than 100 yd shot is pretty doable even with a cheap gun? |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:16:10 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A popular tongue in cheek Texas theory was they were attempting to assassinate Connolly. JFK simply got in the way. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:16:27 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How did you duplicate the stress levels that would be induced by taking the shot in broad daylight with the intended target being the leader of the free world? It's not a difficult shot when done on paper with range conditions. I think the psychological aspect of the shot is often overlooked/rarely considered. What if that person is a sociopath or psychopath? |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:18:38 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a well used Carcano, so I'm familiar with how they shoot/operate. I'm not saying it would be a cake walk, but it's not something that seems at all impossible to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. I have a well used Carcano, so I'm familiar with how they shoot/operate. I'm not saying it would be a cake walk, but it's not something that seems at all impossible to me. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:20:58 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you know he was stressed? After all, the man was a nutcase on a mission. Hell, it might have been the most fun he ever had. It is noted historically that Oswald was an emotional basket case type who even attempted suicide in Russia at one point. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:23:05 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is noted historically that Oswald was an emotional basket case type who even attempted suicide in Russia at one point. But that is not indicative of a person being so stressed they could not shoot. What matters is how was he at the time of shooting. Nothing else/ |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:23:14 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a well used Carcano, so I'm familiar with how they shoot/operate. I'm not saying it would be a cake walk, but it's not something that seems at all impossible to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Try it with a twenty dollar mail order rifle in minimal condition like he did. Then get back. I have a well used Carcano, so I'm familiar with how they shoot/operate. I'm not saying it would be a cake walk, but it's not something that seems at all impossible to me. Exaggerating the inaccuracy and crudeness of the rifle is another common trope of these discussions. It's a military rifle and built for abuse, and I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least a 3 MOA system with the ammo he had. Sheesh, the A-Team could have made those shots with Carcanos. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:23:45 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Simple ~60 yard shot. All of the conspiracy theories including the magic bullet have been fully debunked. The Magic Bullet nonsense that the Kennedy killers put out there has never been debunked. The shots from the sixth floor are stupid simple with iron alone but two hits from there didn’t cause all that carnage. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:24:17 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What if that person is a sociopath or psychopath? This was the KGB's killing Osama Bin Laden moment. Their guy got in the right place and made the shot with enough deniability and the political situation meant the US was not going to admit to it. They knew about the CIA's wiretap at KGB in Mexico but they had nothing but a phone call from Oswald before he met with his KGB officer in person. The CIA didn't have that conversation on tape but it's pretty obvious that it was either a go order or a set up for a go order. |
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