User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:18:18 AM EST
[#1]
Need? No.
Want? Without a doubt. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:18:36 AM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no use for Red Dots on any firearm I own. Because why? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:19:33 AM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because why? Because like 87% of Arfcom, he never shoots them. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:21:49 AM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro, I'm already on it. He has quoted a response of mine and said "click" at least twice now.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're going to end up on his list too.....anyone who calls out his epic level of butthurt gets put on the list. Bro, I'm already on it. He has quoted a response of mine and said "click" at least twice now. We could probably be friends then.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:23:16 AM EST
[#5]
Only if you want to be faster with more accuracy.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:25:48 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only if you want to be faster with more accuracy. Everyone knows speed and accuracy are only important in gun games
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:27:49 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Projecting much? I bet if we took a poll you'd win the "most insufferable Arfcommer" award by a decent margin. Give it a rest man. I've NEVER seen you post something that wasn't an attempt to start an argument, or continue one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another provocateur toxic Dance thread!  Do you feel miserable that people are happy without a red dot on their handguns?? Why the desperate need to stir the pot and create drama where there was none? Do you get your jollies by causing these drama threads while setting folks up for easy metadata mining material? Projecting much? I bet if we took a poll you'd win the "most insufferable Arfcommer" award by a decent margin. Give it a rest man. I've NEVER seen you post something that wasn't an attempt to start an argument, or continue one.  |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:28:16 AM EST
[#8]
Presentation and acquiring the dot - Stop focusing on the dot. Use a target, something, maybe a tree in your backyard or something to focus on. Practice your draw, adjust your grip, adjust your stance, how your head is oriented till the dot presents itself. Start with the highest setting, the biggest and fattest hairy dot it’ll emit and then work your way down a tad (I use a big, fat, hairy dot - SRO, 5 MOA, almost highest setting).
*Main thing, don’t focus on acquiring the dot, focus on having the dot present on your intended target.* I don’t necessarily care if it blooms some, just means there’s more dot and I think there may be a way to use that same hairy ass dot for longer shots that require more precision - just need to verify my theory next chance I get to the range. Cross my fingers. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:28:18 AM EST
[#9]
If it's possible to have one on there, I'm going to.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:28:42 AM EST
[#10]
The biggest thing stopping me at this point is the hight over bore, I want something that doesn’t require me to use suppressor hight sights.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:29:09 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone knows speed and accuracy are only important in gun games And it’s impossible to aim your gun in a gunfight so why bother with it? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:29:25 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest thing stopping me at this point is the hight over bore, I want something that doesn’t require me to use suppressor hight sights. Can you expand on this a bit? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:29:54 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest thing stopping me at this point is the hight over bore, I want something that doesn’t require me to use suppressor hight sights. What’s your carry gun? That might be possible. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:34:06 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you expand on this a bit? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The biggest thing stopping me at this point is the hight over bore, I want something that doesn’t require me to use suppressor hight sights. Can you expand on this a bit? I just don’t like suppressor hight sights and would prefer something that’s low enough that they aren’t necessary. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:34:43 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest thing stopping me at this point is the hight over bore, I want something that doesn’t require me to use suppressor hight sights. There are combinations of firearm, slide cut and optic where you can still view standard height sights. Personally, I was negative on supressor height sights when I started shooting RDS equipped pistols, and now I find them a non issue. I had one slide where I needed to wait for the optic, so I shot it a couple of times with tall sights only, and it was fine. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:35:11 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s your carry gun? That might be possible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The biggest thing stopping me at this point is the hight over bore, I want something that doesn’t require me to use suppressor hight sights. What’s your carry gun? That might be possible. I rotate between a G19.3 an M&P 2.0 and a full size M9. Typically it’s the G19. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:36:45 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are combinations of firearm, slide cut and optic where you can still view standard height sights. Personally, I was negative on supressor height sights when I started shooting RDS equipped pistols, and now I find them a non issue. I had one slide where I needed to wait for the optic, so I shot it a couple of times with tall sights only, and it was fine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The biggest thing stopping me at this point is the hight over bore, I want something that doesn’t require me to use suppressor hight sights. There are combinations of firearm, slide cut and optic where you can still view standard height sights. Personally, I was negative on supressor height sights when I started shooting RDS equipped pistols, and now I find them a non issue. I had one slide where I needed to wait for the optic, so I shot it a couple of times with tall sights only, and it was fine. Heck, I’ve actually come to prefer tall sights. I didn’t realize how much clutter the top of slide creates until I started using higher sights. ETA: Standard height just feel so cramped now. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:39:53 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are combinations of firearm, slide cut and optic where you can still view standard height sights. Personally, I was negative on supressor height sights when I started shooting RDS equipped pistols, and now I find them a non issue. I had one slide where I needed to wait for the optic, so I shot it a couple of times with tall sights only, and it was fine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The biggest thing stopping me at this point is the hight over bore, I want something that doesn’t require me to use suppressor hight sights. There are combinations of firearm, slide cut and optic where you can still view standard height sights. Personally, I was negative on supressor height sights when I started shooting RDS equipped pistols, and now I find them a non issue. I had one slide where I needed to wait for the optic, so I shot it a couple of times with tall sights only, and it was fine. Maybe it is a nonissue, I don’t have a lot of experience with them so I’m just going off of my initial thoughts. I’m sure I probably would get used to it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:39:53 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I rotate between a G19.3 an M&P 2.0 and a full size M9. Typically it’s the G19. With the G19 that may be entirely possible with that new Holosun optic. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:40:52 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With the G19 that may be entirely possible with that new Holosun optic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I rotate between a G19.3 an M&P 2.0 and a full size M9. Typically it’s the G19. With the G19 that may be entirely possible with that new Holosun optic. Do you know the model designation? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:43:03 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same. I'm now minute of bad guy with iron sights, but I enjoy target shooting and red dots have saved me. I sucked up quite a bit of expense in recent years by purchasing slides with optic cuts for some of my pistols instead of having the existing slides cut. Zero regrets so far. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For me it as my eyes got older and the irons were good only outdoors in perfect light. Same. I'm now minute of bad guy with iron sights, but I enjoy target shooting and red dots have saved me. I sucked up quite a bit of expense in recent years by purchasing slides with optic cuts for some of my pistols instead of having the existing slides cut. Zero regrets so far. Have you looked into fixing your eyes? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:43:33 AM EST
[#22]
I tried a RDS on a G19 a few years ago and hated it.
My eyes have gotten worse, and for the last year or 2 I haven't been able to hit like I used to so I gave it another try. I put a cheap Romeo Zero on a P322 and I have to say that I think I'm a believer now. Up close, I won't be looking at a dot any more than I'd be concentrating on irons. But at 25 yards on a poorly lit indoor range, that dot made all the difference between confident head shots and barely being able to stay inside the 7 ring on a B27. I've got a 507K for my 43X MOS inbound--should have it tomorrow. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:47:08 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you looked into fixing your eyes? Presbyopia is not something that can be "fixed" without significant compromises elsewhere. It's just part of getting old. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:49:45 AM EST
[#24]
I have a swampfox and a holosun and was initially skeptical, but I'm becoming a believer quickly. But I don't feel like I 'need' them yet. With the Florida 'winter' almost here, I'll be carrying one of the guns with an RDS more.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:51:57 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know the model designation? It's the Holosun SCS. Mounts directly via the MOS footprint.  Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:52:44 AM EST
[#26]
Using a dot on a pistol actually helped me pick up irons a little faster. Someone recently mentioned that having to fish around for the dot on your draw says more about you than it does about the optic and I found that to be accurate.
I think RDS offer a significant advantage once you're used to them but it'll be a long time before I give up irons and trust the dot alone and I think irons will always have a place on some niche items like pocket carry guns. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:55:50 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest thing stopping me at this point is the hight over bore, I want something that doesn’t require me to use suppressor hight sights. Steiner mps and aimpoint acro mounted direct to an acro cut do not require supressor height sights. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:55:56 AM EST
[#28]
Sights don't matter - training does...
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 8:57:12 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro, I'm already on it. He has quoted a response of mine and said "click" at least twice now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're going to end up on his list too.....anyone who calls out his epic level of butthurt gets put on the list. Bro, I'm already on it. He has quoted a response of mine and said "click" at least twice now. Goddammit I hate that I knew who you were talking about without even seeing it
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:00:03 AM EST
[#30]
Do I need one? No, of course not.
I like to have every advantage I can, especially in defensive situations. Pistol optics are great, but dont forget to practice with your irons as well. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:06:11 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Presbyopia is not something that can be "fixed" without significant compromises elsewhere. It's just part of getting old. ^So this is the guy who finally convinced me to get a red dot. Here's why: At Warfighter 2021 there was a pistol shooting segment on the obstacle course. I've always felt reasonably capable with my Beretta 92a1. As soon as we get to this segment, there's already been a lot of running and gunning so we're somewhat gassed. I'm steadily hitting my targets and this guy is just blowing through his and asks to finish mine for time and we blow through the final targets. He shot at least 2 of mine out of 10 if I remember correctly. Finally committed to a red dot and sent my pistol off to Langdon Tactical. Got it back like 3 months later. Much quicker on target. Groups are far tighter. Feeling pretty good about next year. Fast forward to 2022. Same course. Same targets. Only there is a SHITLOAD mud. Like this is my rifle afterwards.  These were my sunglasses.  See a problem? I had to tilt my head at a ridiculous angle to look through that hole in the middle to line up my sights. The red dot made it INFINITELY easier and I was still hitting targets at a competent pace. Would have been far slower lining up irons. Beyond that I have done multiple shooting courses with my red dot mounted Beretta and have been significantly faster and more accurate. Part of it is 100% the fact that internals are smoother and the trigger easier thanks to Langdon, but the red dot itself has been the biggest upgrade for me. If you're STILL skeptical on red dots I highly encourage you to get a shot timer and run splits. Bring a buddy with a red dot and see how much quicker you are. There IS a significant difference. There's a reason why people who shoot more than a box a year HIGHLY endorse them, and why detractors have little to add beyond "I don't like them". It's perhaps the best upgrade you can make for your pistol and if nothing else it's worth TRYING. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:07:52 AM EST
[#32]
I started ccwing a g19 with RMR over a decade ago, and shoot mostly carry optics division. I really like red dots on pistols and shoot them well.
I mainly carry a g43x or p365 these days and do not have a dot on either of them. In fact I removed a 507k I had put on my 43x. There are a couple reasons. For me irons are simply more forgiving than a red dot to draw from a holster and put on target. I have had issues with fishing for the dot, the dot not being the correct brightness, or the optics window being filthy. All of these issues are self imposed, but that doesn't mean irons haven't helped solve these problems. If I practiced as much as I should, and only ever shot a single gun with a single grip I would consider rocking am enclosed optic on a carry gun. I am excited for better auto brightness in the future too Here's a video I made a few years ago shooting irons and a dot back to back. They are Dawson's on a 17+sight tracker so it's definitely got a leg up on your average carry set up. But my point is irons are more simple, and I shoot them with similar speed and accuracy as a red dot |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:11:48 AM EST
[#33]
I bought an rmr off a friend when they first came out and it went in the safe. I finally got around to milling a g19 and put it on there and I didn't see any immediate improvement. A while later I tried again and didn't put in the time to train with it. I finally got a staccatto and rmr and it was immediately excellent and put in the time. Now I carry a 19 rmrd and have like 4 other pistols with dots, but sometimes I also carry with regular sights.
I'm planning on getting g a c2 rmr and being done as the p is too big for me to conceal carry. So I guess I followed arf and got both and carry both from time to time. I will say the recent mall defensive shooting really pushed me over the edge to train and put in some time with them. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:18:51 AM EST
[#34]
Gavrilo Princep didn't need one.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:19:06 AM EST
[#35]
Daily red dot thread
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:19:27 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Presbyopia is not something that can be "fixed" without significant compromises elsewhere. It's just part of getting old. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you looked into fixing your eyes? Presbyopia is not something that can be "fixed" without significant compromises elsewhere. It's just part of getting old. That...unless you are very lucky. 80% of people will have it by ~50 years-old. Most of the rest will get it later if they live long enough. The most common current treatment option is reading glasses, or, in cases like mine, just taking off distance-correction eyeglasses to read, but I have to choose one mode, and neither option works well for arm's-length tasks. e.g. seeing a computer screen or vehicle dashboard. Some folks, like me, have their eyeglasses prescription adjusted so one eye is for distance and the other for arm's length tasks. While that helps greatly during the course of my day, it doesn't work well for me for target shooting. Sure, I could hit a paper plate repeatedly with a pistol at 7 yards, but anything more accurate gets to be a challenge. Red dots have saved me. I zeroed a new one yesterday and I was hitting dime-sized decals at that distance, repeatedly. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:21:06 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gavrilo Princep didn't need one. And he killed about 20 million people...sort of. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:24:29 AM EST
[#38]
Seems like one more thing to fail on your and/or one more thing you have to mess with when you have a fraction of a second to draw and fire to defend your life.
.....I'm sure they have their place, but I've never had an issue with a good set of night sights on my carry pistol. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:27:54 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm steadily hitting my targets and this guy is just blowing through his and asks to finish mine for time and we blow through the final targets. He shot at least 2 of mine out of 10 if I remember correctly. I believe it was 4, but to be fair, you were a bit more gassed than I was. That potty break cost you  If it makes you feel any better, my partner this year had to finish my pistol targets for me. I ran out of ammo with one left. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:29:34 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like one more thing to fail on your and/or one more thing you have to mess with when you have a fraction of a second to draw and fire to defend your life. .....I'm sure they have their place, but I've never had an issue with a good set of night sights on my carry pistol. Where can we get the bingo cards? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:30:18 AM EST
[#41]
I need it, man. I need it bad. Look, I got deez cheeseburgers…
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:31:03 AM EST
[#42]
100% not until you have mastered irons on the gun you are carrying…
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:32:59 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% not until you have mastered irons on the gun you are carrying… Why? Red dots are way easier to figure out what you are doing wrong with and then master the gun. Transferring from dot to irons is way easier than vice versa. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:37:30 AM EST
[#44]
I have no handguns with RD. Not that I am against them. I just do not want to mill any of my current handguns to accept and RD. Anyone have any experience with this?
 https://www.meprolight.com/product/mepro-micrords/ |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:39:20 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any prosecutor is going to use anything such as your conceal carry license... Point is let the jury decide on that buy a good lawyer would counter my client wants to only put bullets on the bad guy. Hell how many times in the court of public opinion have they tried to use on SD and cop interactions how many rounds they used Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I put a red dot sight on my pistol would it make me more liable in a self defense shooting? Any prosecutor is going to use anything such as your conceal carry license... Point is let the jury decide on that buy a good lawyer would counter my client wants to only put bullets on the bad guy. Hell how many times in the court of public opinion have they tried to use on SD and cop interactions how many rounds they used Funny how all the clowns repeating the old "they'll use X against you in court!" nonsense can never give any real examples. That dumbass excuse has been used against everyfuckingthing at some point or another. Don't carry a pistol with a double stack mag. Don't carry hollow points. Don't carry "X" caliber. Don't carry in that type of holster. Don't carry a gun with night sights. Don't modify your gun in any way. Don't get training. Don't don't don't don't Whoever started that bullshit needs a throat punch. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:40:31 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny how all the clowns repeating the old "they'll use X against you in court!" nonsense can never give any real examples. That dumbass excuse has been used against everyfuckingthing at some point or another. Don't carry a pistol with a double stack mag. Don't carry hollow points. Don't carry "X" caliber. Don't carry in that type of holster. Don't carry a gun with night sights. Don't modify your gun in any way. Don't get training. Don't don't don't don't Whoever started that bullshit needs a throat punch. You forgot "Don't get an after market trigger." |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:45:41 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Goddammit I hate that I knew who you were talking about without even seeing it ::snort:: |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:46:00 AM EST
[#48]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:46:19 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You forgot "Don't get an after market trigger." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Funny how all the clowns repeating the old "they'll use X against you in court!" nonsense can never give any real examples. That dumbass excuse has been used against everyfuckingthing at some point or another. Don't carry a pistol with a double stack mag. Don't carry hollow points. Don't carry "X" caliber. Don't carry in that type of holster. Don't carry a gun with night sights. Don't modify your gun in any way. Don't get training. Don't don't don't don't Whoever started that bullshit needs a throat punch. You forgot "Don't get an after market trigger." That falls under "don't modify your gun in any way". |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/17/2022 9:46:34 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like one more thing to fail on your and/or one more thing you have to mess with when you have a fraction of a second to draw and fire to defend your life. .....I'm sure they have their place, but I've never had an issue with a good set of night sights on my carry pistol. Why would you need to “mess with” it? Please explain. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
