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Originally Posted By armoredman: Nice! What other tools might you be needing? View Quote I had a chance to talk to students yesterday and a die grinder was suggested. I'm not sure if battery powered or air powered would be best. The air powered are much cheaper, and we have air and hoses readily available. We end up using Dremels in areas where they are a little small for what we are tying to do. We also always need more sawsall blades, jigsaw blades, dremel cut off wheels, grinding bits, and DeWalt 20vt batteries. |
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Is there a new art technique you are trying?
Why are you covering the plane in cream cheese? |
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And just for the record.....
Two different students did not get left on the lift yesterday, two different times. It didn't happen. That is all. |
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Awesome video posted, if you haven't seen the thread yet......
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/F-22-Raptor-video-I-took-this-week-Cool-stuff-/5-2520120/?r=-1&page=1&anc=96683412#i96683412 |
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“So, never give up. Continue to fight. You’ll either find a win here and there, or you’ll die fighting. I can accept either of those out comes”- March 31st, 2020 - Until Valhalla
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Originally Posted By guns762: I had a chance to talk to students yesterday and a die grinder was suggested. I'm not sure if battery powered or air powered would be best. The air powered are much cheaper, and we have air and hoses readily available. We end up using Dremels in areas where they are a little small for what we are tying to do. We also always need more sawsall blades, jigsaw blades, dremel cut off wheels, grinding bits, and DeWalt 20vt batteries. View Quote I'll see what the paycheck will let me do...don't think the die grinder is in the cards right now, from me, sorry, but I will find something. |
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Sorry if this has been suggested but could you do a Wedding Registry type thing at Home Depot, Amazon, or another hardware store?
Might make it easier to grab supplies and tools |
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Let's go Brandon!
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Originally Posted By guns762: Update 1/4 Moving the Sopwith today. We are running into a little problem getting it closer to the wall. The light fixtures and sprinkler system are in the way and we don't want to have a problem messing with either. We think we can get the tail a bit closer to the corner of the room, but the center will need to stay about the same. It should be able a bit more than it currently is and hopefully we can get it closer to the ceiling. https://i.imgur.com/bwsDnyE.jpeg View Quote Whoa! whoa! Mr. Kotter! That rigging to the left has "Saddled a Dead Horse", that means the saddle of the wire rope clip is on "dead"(wrong) cable side or tail end and not the "live" working load side. The bottom clip twist is hard to tell in the image but looks like may be wrong also. Meaning both clips were placed being backwards. The U bolt goes around the dead tail end and the weighted "live" side goes inside & against the "saddle". You want the cable coming down or under the load to be in the saddle against it and the tail end after it goes around the thimble to help press it into that saddle. Also the number of clips is wrong, can't tell the cable size but it needs at least 3 cable clips all placed on it the same way, with a certain amount spacing between and a length of tail extending beyond that last 3rd (or more) clip. Here are two charts with examples below. The line coming down through the ceiling is the "live" line and when it comes back around the thimble and becomes the tail, which is now called the dead end. Quick Reminder Phrase is to "Never saddle a dead horse" https://www.sapsis-rigging.com/clipapp.html https://www.worksafenb.ca/safety-talk/en/15-wire-rope-cable-clips.html In case you want a laugh some non standard humorous industry terms https://www.sapsis-rigging.com/NSTTerms.html from around the country. Sapsis Rigging is an entertainment theater industry Supplier. They also have that odd ' stage hardware" that lets us hang everything and fly it in(down) and out(up) repetitively or leave it hanging, quality "D rings and Keeper Plates" that are rated are worth their weight in gold for safety. After that then there is "Grip" rigging hardware which becomes equally puzzling for the wth?, Grips will build a cage around various cars and then ride and film on it outside the car. You can trust them and their weird hardware more than Alec Baldwin on a set..... Fun Fact, that fits with the planes themes, in the 1950's& 1960's the improved and condensed Camera Dollies came about from their creator being in WW2 loading bombs onto planes and using their special dollies. I saw down the page it was back up in the air, so please make sure the cable clips were put back on right , and that they have the right number of clips and spacing. If it needs fixing, teach the kids to "Never Saddle a Dead Horse" for a way to remember which way the cable clip parts go for safety. They'll then spot them wrong on many so called professional install jobs especially in nightclubs, bars/restaurants and even museums. I've had to explain the proper use while also narc'ing the unsafe crap the to the local city's building inspector during inspections while working to open new clubs. Because the other companies didn't want to fix them, despite easy to do one at a time , even if already skating on a thin the safety factor, you don't have to unhang anything or loose the trim angle. So that was Never Saddle A Dead Horse, Along with the always wise words & lyrics from the band "Riders in the Sky", who reminds you to Always drink upstream of the herd and to never squat while wearing spurs. |
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Originally Posted By kudzunc: https://i.imgur.com/bwsDnyE.jpeg Whoa! whoa! Mr. Kotter! That rigging to the left has "Saddled a Dead Horse", that means the saddle of the wire rope clip is on "dead"(wrong) cable side or tail end and not the "live" working load side. The bottom clip twist is hard to tell in the image but looks like may be wrong also. Meaning both clips were placed being backwards. The U bolt goes around the dead tail end and the weighted "live" side goes inside & against the "saddle". You want the cable coming down or under the load to be in the saddle against it and the tail end after it goes around the thimble to help press it into that saddle. Also the number of clips is wrong, can't tell the cable size but it needs at least 3 cable clips all placed on it the same way, with a certain amount spacing between and a length of tail extending beyond that last 3rd (or more) clip. Here are two charts with examples below. The line coming down through the ceiling is the "live" line and when it comes back around the thimble and becomes the tail, which is now called the dead end. Quick Reminder Phrase is to "Never saddle a dead horse" https://www.sapsis-rigging.com/clipapp.html https://www.worksafenb.ca/safety-talk/en/15-wire-rope-cable-clips.html In case you want a laugh some non standard humorous industry terms https://www.sapsis-rigging.com/NSTTerms.html from around the country. Sapsis Rigging is an entertainment theater industry Supplier. They also have that odd ' stage hardware" that lets us hang everything and fly it in(down) and out(up) repetitively or leave it hanging, quality "D rings and Keeper Plates" that are rated are worth their weight in gold for safety. After that then there is "Grip" rigging hardware which becomes equally puzzling for the wth?, Grips will build a cage around various cars and then ride and film on it outside the car. You can trust them and their weird hardware more than Alec Baldwin on a set..... Fun Fact, that fits with the planes themes, in the 1950's& 1960's the improved and condensed Camera Dollies came about from their creator being in WW2 loading bombs onto planes and using their special dollies. I saw down the page it was back up in the air, so please make sure the cable clips were put back on right , and that they have the right number of clips and spacing. If it needs fixing, teach the kids to "Never Saddle a Dead Horse" for a way to remember which way the cable clip parts go for safety. They'll then spot them wrong on many so called professional install jobs especially in nightclubs, bars/restaurants and even museums. I've had to explain the proper use while also narc'ing the unsafe crap the to the local city's building inspector during inspections while working to open new clubs. Because the other companies didn't want to fix them, despite easy to do one at a time , even if already skating on a thin the safety factor, you don't have to unhang anything or loose the trim angle. So that was Never Saddle A Dead Horse, Along with the always wise words & lyrics from the band "Riders in the Sky", who reminds you to Always drink upstream of the herd and to never squat while wearing spurs. View Quote He still has to replace the ceiling tile. I'll have him take a look and pass along the info. Thanks. |
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@guns762- Check IM
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IM sent too!
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The difficult we can do immediately
The impossible takes a little longer |
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Looking good. Probably time to decide work is not progressing fast enough, and to reorganize the work teams completely, putting folks who hate working together, together, to build synergy.
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Let's go Brandon!
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Are you waiting on more boards to start riveting?
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Be careful with that explosion, because…
Napalm sticks to kids! |
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Life is about choices.
If you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. You make the same mistake again, that's a choice. |
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If I had a teacher like you I probably wouldnt have dropped out. You rock dude!
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I suggest we trade a question mark in for a maybe.
IA, USA
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Originally Posted By guns762: I had a chance to talk to students yesterday and a die grinder was suggested. I'm not sure if battery powered or air powered would be best. The air powered are much cheaper, and we have air and hoses readily available. We end up using Dremels in areas where they are a little small for what we are tying to do. We also always need more sawsall blades, jigsaw blades, dremel cut off wheels, grinding bits, and DeWalt 20vt batteries. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By armoredman: Nice! What other tools might you be needing? I had a chance to talk to students yesterday and a die grinder was suggested. I'm not sure if battery powered or air powered would be best. The air powered are much cheaper, and we have air and hoses readily available. We end up using Dremels in areas where they are a little small for what we are tying to do. We also always need more sawsall blades, jigsaw blades, dremel cut off wheels, grinding bits, and DeWalt 20vt batteries. I've got a small die grinder I can send out-just need an address. Bought 4 of them on clearance at Walmart last year because they were a good price. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: +$65 for spray paint & sandpaper +155 for dual light port box and fiber optic lights, vinyl table cloth, and LED light strips ___________________________________________ Total as of 12/6 $1727.00 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Update 5/6 1st delivery of plywood showed up this morning. Three sheets of 1/2" 4x8 total $196.77 So I can keep track of the costs for people interested...... Total cost as of 5/6/21 $196.77 Update 8/23 Total cost as of 5/6/21 $196.77 + $94.00 for 2x6, 2x2s and 1x2s _______________________________ Total spent so far $290.00 + 97.00 for two gallons of paint, rollers, brushes, tape, mask tape, rolling trays _________________________________________ Total cost as of 8/25/21 = $387.00 +$200.00 10 2x4s, 1 1/2" chipboard plywood, 1/2" all thread, 1/2" nuts and washers __________________________________________________ = $587.00 + $200 for 5 1/48 scale model aircraft - Spitfire, F-14, F-4, F-22, ME-109 ____________________________________________________ = Total as of 8/27/21 $787.00 + $65.00 for two gallons of blue paint _______________________________ = $852.00 total as of 9/10/21 __________________________________________ + $100 for new plywood, 1x2s and 2x2s + $952.00 total spent as of 9/14/21 + $190 for 1x8s, plywood, all-thread, screws _______________________________________ = $1142.00 total as of 9/30/21 + $215.00 for Lexan and Decal transfer material, fiberglass resin, fiberglass cloth, electrical boxes ________________________________________ = $1357.00 total as of 10/6/21 +150.00 for Lexan for mach cones, holographic paint, & extention cord for display _______________________________ $1507.00 total as of 11/5/21 +$65 for spray paint & sandpaper +155 for dual light port box and fiber optic lights, vinyl table cloth, and LED light strips ___________________________________________ Total as of 12/6 $1727.00 + $90 for paint for fuselage +$10 for poly-fill for explosion +20 for metal and plastic door arms +100 for 30 sheets of drawing board for rest of skin _____________________________________________ Total as of 1/17/22 $1,947.00 |
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Originally Posted By shack357: I've got a small die grinder I can send out-just need an address. Bought 4 of them on clearance at Walmart last year because they were a good price. View Quote Thank you Shack for the offer. That is very generous of you. Looks like we are good on those for a bit. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Update 1/17 Another huge THANK YOU to @FB41 This package showed up Friday right before students were excused for the day. This young man is a welding fabricator with an incredible attention to detail, imagination, and artistic sense. He has been scaling most of our F-22, and drawing up the wings and elevators from caliper and the 1/48 scale model. He was very excited to see the new air tools and so many accessories for us to use. https://i.imgur.com/sz2f0E9.jpg Again, FB41, thank you Sir! https://i.imgur.com/r30CUct.jpg The panel lines continue on the fuselage. There are more there, and more obvious than one would initially expect. They will have to be done before we hit it with paint. The nose triangle line will be interesting to create. https://i.imgur.com/tbFBgmB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/X6siTri.jpg View Quote You're welcome. |
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"He should have killed me. I would have killed me."
For God and Country: Geronimo! Geronimo! Geronimo! Michael Moore: Trump’s election is going to be the biggest Fuck You ever recorded in human history….And it will feel good. |
Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: Am I the only one that looks at pictures like this and thinks: Future X-Wing Fighter, where's R2D2 https://i.imgur.com/0hcrrbZ.jpg View Quote I see it. We might have done something Star Wars at some point, except for the possibility that Disney would probably file a lawsuit, and so many people have done similar projects. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: I see it. We might have done something Star Wars at some point, except for the possibility that Disney would probably file a lawsuit, and so many people have done similar projects. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: Am I the only one that looks at pictures like this and thinks: Future X-Wing Fighter, where's R2D2 https://i.imgur.com/0hcrrbZ.jpg I see it. We might have done something Star Wars at some point, except for the possibility that Disney would probably file a lawsuit, and so many people have done similar projects. X-Wing would make an awesome project in the future though. Maybe B-Wing or Y-Wing if you want something less common. Or place smaller versions of those in the background. Battlestar Viper would be super cool too. |
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Bravery will take you into the most dangerous of places. Overwhelming firepower will see you safely through them. ~ The Book of Cataclysm
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Originally Posted By Ashraam: X-Wing would make an awesome project in the future though. Maybe B-Wing or Y-Wing if you want something less common. Or place smaller versions of those in the background. Battlestar Viper would be super cool too. View Quote Now you are speaking the language of my people.......13th tribe. SO SAY WE ALL! |
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Life is about choices.
If you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. You make the same mistake again, that's a choice. |
I was thinking Snowspeeder for next year.
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Let's go Brandon!
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Originally Posted By guns762: Now you are speaking the language of my people.......13th tribe. SO SAY WE ALL! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By Ashraam: X-Wing would make an awesome project in the future though. Maybe B-Wing or Y-Wing if you want something less common. Or place smaller versions of those in the background. Battlestar Viper would be super cool too. Now you are speaking the language of my people.......13th tribe. SO SAY WE ALL! |
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“So, never give up. Continue to fight. You’ll either find a win here and there, or you’ll die fighting. I can accept either of those out comes”- March 31st, 2020 - Until Valhalla
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Not to derail, but what’s the status on the t shirts?
Edit; fat thumbs |
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Mr. Bad Example
Texas, not just a state but a state of mind |
Originally Posted By jarhead13: Not to derail, but what’s the status on the t shirts? Edit; fat thumbs View Quote I think we are ready to go, I just need to talk to Striker and I would like us to see a little further progress on our plane before our "launch". Kids asked me the same earlier this week. |
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Originally Posted By Subnet: "Easily the most honkified truck I've ever heard. He pulls that rope like a 13 year old beats his dick."
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How much of the clear plastic tubes will be sticking out the back of the plane?
What if you put a fan in the forward end of each tube to blow the fibers around inside the tubes? The fibers would blow straight back and maybe move around a little. Fans could turn on and off as often as you want. Include jet engine sound too. |
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If I’m not mistaken, I think the napalm smoke should have more black, after all it is a jelled hydrocarbon.
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Mr. Bad Example
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