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From a known collection in Ukraine. I know this first one is Walter Nowotny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Nowotny. Amazing pilot. Floated at sea at one point for three days, and got back up in a plane. I think he killed in bf-109,fw-190,me-262. Attached File I took a chance on the second picture as it is a Focke Wulf , and from same collection. They are all British roundels, any guesses as to whose tail that is? Attached File |
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Originally Posted By mizzarley
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
From a known collection in Ukraine. I know this first one is Walter Nowotny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Nowotny. Amazing pilot. Floated at sea at one point for three days, and got back up in a plane. I think he killed in bf-109,fw-190,me-262. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/303716/IMG_1477_jpg-818692.JPG I took a chance on the second picture as it is a Focke Wulf , and from same collection. They are all British roundels, any guesses as to whose tail that is? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/303716/IMG_1479_jpg-818693.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By mizzarley
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
I could see that, the collector was into jg-54. With it possibly being correct, due to him fighting in all of the theaters. edit: How many of his kills were British? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By Dog1: Erich Rudorffer? edit: How many of his kills were British? Edit to add hyphen that's based on different sources that I've read, so that number could either be less than 36 or greater than 45. Although there's more than forty-five roundels on that tail |
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Originally Posted By Dog1: If his kill records are to be believed and it seems that depend on what you read there might be a little bit of skepticism, according to his record 36- 45 British aircraft were shot down by him. Edit to add hyphen that's based on different sources that I've read, so that number could either be less than 36 or greater than 45. Although there's more than forty-five roundels on that tail View Quote |
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Originally Posted By mizzarley
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Originally Posted By mizzarley
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
edit: your edit: Ok, well that takes him out of it then. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By 13starsinax: Thank you, I am going to do some more reading. Not to mention everybody else who fled their countries when the Germans invaded and made their way to England to fight. So if they're counting the aircraft as British then the score would add up with the tail but if you're talking about Pilots nationalities I don't know |
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
edit: your edit: Ok, well that takes him out of it then. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By Dog1: Of course I never thought of this - he could actually have shot down free Polish Air Force pilots flying Spitfires. They would have British roundels on the wings even though they were flown by the Poles. Not to mention everybody else who fled their countries when the Germans invaded and made their way to England to fight. So if they're counting the aircraft as British then the score would add up with the tail but if you're talking about Pilots nationalities I don't know View Quote I am assuming that is how they scored their kills. I think you correct, but that photo does not have a tail number. So it makes it harder to figure. I know a lot of these photos are series of a stream. I have seen photos as if you were standing there you would have felt like the paparazi was filming. Propaganda shoots kind of all follow the same theme with the ace pilots. |
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Originally Posted By mizzarley
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Originally Posted By luv_the_huskers: 65 roundels on the tail there. Should narrow it down some if it is a JG54 bird. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Gopher:
Field expedient modification. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1670/6-50_jpg-818840.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
Again, thanks. I am assuming that is how they scored their kills. I think you correct, but that photo does not have a tail number. So it makes it harder to figure. I know a lot of these photos are series of a stream. I have seen photos as if you were standing there you would have felt like the paparazi was filming. Propaganda shoots kind of all follow the same theme with the ace pilots. View Quote could they have gotten some of them fighting over France as well. the Raf was there for a little bit. do they count knocked out on the ground as kills to? |
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Originally Posted By somedude: no idea how the kill markings work. I think some of JG-26 flew all those aircraft as well. could they have gotten some of them fighting over France as well. the Raf was there for a little bit. do they count knocked out on the ground as kills to? View Quote I am learning too, and it is a cool subject. |
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Originally Posted By mizzarley
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Originally Posted By Dog1:
Of course I never thought of this - he could actually have shot down free Polish Air Force pilots flying Spitfires. They would have British roundels on the wings even though they were flown by the Poles. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
I remember reading in a book about them how much they frustrated the RAF command because not only did they dont speak English on the radio, they hated the Germans so much they would take enormous risk even to the detriment of the mission to kill Germans. Cant blame them though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
Originally Posted By Dog1:
Of course I never thought of this - he could actually have shot down free Polish Air Force pilots flying Spitfires. They would have British roundels on the wings even though they were flown by the Poles. |
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Hansan: "This is a .30 caliber, gas operated, clip fed, semi-automatic rifle....."
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Originally Posted By Gopher:
Field expedient modification. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1670/6-50_jpg-818840.JPG View Quote That had to be stupid heavy and have a complex feed system. |
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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner:
Never seen a picture of that or a similar mod on a B-17. That had to be stupid heavy and have a complex feed system. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner:
Originally Posted By Gopher:
Field expedient modification. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1670/6-50_jpg-818840.JPG That had to be stupid heavy and have a complex feed system. |
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Originally Posted By mizzarley
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
Well the pilot in question flew in every theater, he had kills in all of them and in all principal German "fighter" aircraft. I think ground kills were on each report as well, but I have only seen a few with them clearly marked on the tail. Stuka's obviously had them prominently marked. I am learning too, and it is a cool subject. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By somedude: no idea how the kill markings work. I think some of JG-26 flew all those aircraft as well. could they have gotten some of them fighting over France as well. the Raf was there for a little bit. do they count knocked out on the ground as kills to? I am learning too, and it is a cool subject. |
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
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Originally Posted By luv_the_huskers: Ground kills were not counted on fighters. As far as I know they counted them for ground attack aircraft but not air superiority fighters. View Quote I am trying to find the photos I have seen before, but it had clearly marked ground kills and Ships. |
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Originally Posted By mizzarley
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Originally Posted By Kalahnikid: What was the name of that project? They tried basically doubling up on guns on some experimental 17s and 24s but it didn't work out. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/303716/b59025e9cd7c51b95fdc5de519e3aa4c_jpg-819370.JPG I am trying to find the photos I have seen before, but it had clearly marked ground kills and Ships. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By luv_the_huskers: Ground kills were not counted on fighters. As far as I know they counted them for ground attack aircraft but not air superiority fighters. I am trying to find the photos I have seen before, but it had clearly marked ground kills and Ships. For example, Wilhelm Balthasar marked his ground kills on his tail/rudder, but they did not count towards his total victory tally. |
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Originally Posted By luv_the_huskers: The Luftwaffe high command didn't count them, but it doesn't mean individual pilots didn't. The rudder markings were more for the point system for medals than an individual "kill" tally. This is not a universal method of score keeping is what I am driving at. For example, Wilhelm Balthasar marked his ground kills on his tail/rudder, but they did not count towards his total victory tally. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: https://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/west-end-tail-number-42-31435-su-s-experimental-six-gun-m2-turret-3.jpg https://i.redd.it/peac8w8q8wg01.jpg View Quote |
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Attached File My Dad, waist gunner on a PBY, VPB 117 ( and thanks to Arfcom members for cleaning up pic) Attached File Their scoreboard. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
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Originally Posted By Gopher:
Field expedient modification. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1670/6-50_jpg-818840.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Gopher:
Field expedient modification. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1670/6-50_jpg-818840.JPG This B-17G was fitted with an experimental chin turret armed with 6 fixed .50 cal. machine guns, designed by Armaments Officer Mike Mazer. The firing of the guns was controlled by the Pilot. Aircraft 42-31435 successfully completed many operational sorties with the new nose gun installation but, while conclusively proving the mechanical practicability of the design, a temporary cessation of head-on attacks by enemy attacks prevented the proof of its effectiveness. The ship crashed returning from a bombing mission on July 6, 1944. |
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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Single belly turret, though some guns were mounted firing down/rear between belly and tail. http://dmn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/YB-40-2.jpg View Quote [youtube]JVxtJULJ0KA?t=151[/youtube] |
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Originally Posted By Gopher:
What's going on at about 2:30 in this video? Seems like this bird got shot down every week on 12'O Clock High. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxtJULJ0KA?t=151 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Gopher:
Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Single belly turret, though some guns were mounted firing down/rear between belly and tail. http://dmn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/YB-40-2.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxtJULJ0KA?t=151 It is a view from below showing the belly and chin turrets. We're you thinking the forward pair was another ball turret? |
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" If govt parsimony is economic madness, and debt-fuelled govt spending a recipe for riches, why aren't the Greeks bailing out the Germans?"
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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Not sure what you are asking? It is a view from below showing the belly and chin turrets. We're you thinking the forward pair was another ball turret? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Gopher:
What's going on at about 2:30 in this video? Seems like this bird got shot down every week on 12'O Clock High. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxtJULJ0KA?t=151 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Gopher:
Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Single belly turret, though some guns were mounted firing down/rear between belly and tail. http://dmn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/YB-40-2.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxtJULJ0KA?t=151 |
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we posted some pics of this battle but not sure if this video was shown. it details the larger part of the battle as well.
Battle of Cologne 1945 - A young woman between the frontlines - The source |
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Originally Posted By Dave15:
PBY https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/PB4Y-2_Privateer_VP-23_in_flight_1__jpg-819628.JPG My Dad, waist gunner on a PBY, VPB 117 ( and thanks to Arfcom members for cleaning up pic) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/OFUG9Xs_jpg-819631.JPG Their scoreboard. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/vp117_score_10jun99_2__jpg-819632.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By jblomenberg16: For a long time I wondered if this clip was from a similar bomb strike, but sounds like it was actually a direct flack hit in the wing Watching the slow motion it had to be terrifying enough for the crew that they were hit, but then the spinning prop starts to slice into the fuselage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lioRCye2Dug?t=51s View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Dave15:
PBY https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/PB4Y-2_Privateer_VP-23_in_flight_1__jpg-819628.JPG My Dad, waist gunner on a PBY, VPB 117 ( and thanks to Arfcom members for cleaning up pic) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/OFUG9Xs_jpg-819631.JPG Their scoreboard. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/vp117_score_10jun99_2__jpg-819632.JPG View Quote PBY is the Catalina. PB4Y is the liberator naval variant. |
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Originally Posted By Kalahnikid: Great pics! Anything else you can share about his experience? View Quote Cigars and beer, same every day for the last 80 years. He enlisted Jan of 43, on his 17th BDay. Wound up AMM3, in VPB 117, Pacific theater. Believe their tonnage records still stand. As he says, "We blew the shit outta stuff!" After the war ended, he spent months scuttling new US equipment. Uncrate, burn crates, load stuff, run it out and sink in ocean. Repeat. For months. Here he is on bike. Took a bad spill.racing on beach. Afcommer thought the crates were wing tanks. Mountains of them. Attached File On the right. Attached File Lot of stories. Getting caught stealing pies from the Officers Mess. " Borrowing " a motorcycle at Camp Kearney, CA, before heading over. I tracked down his pilot about 10 years ago, they hadn't spoken since 1946. My Dad got a call and they spent hours catching up. Last one of his crew now. Still has a lot of metal in his left eye, his "good one" that has really been troubling him lately. |
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Holy shit I would be pissed if I was on that crew...talk about a fighter magnet View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DOW:
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Originally Posted By somedude: thanks, I was thinking it was a trainer of some t Easy Company, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, US 101st Airborne Division https://66.media.tumblr.com/45a9841f950fb77b649e9e16741c29a1/tumblr_inline_phe5efYK1J1vtjpod_540.jpg View Quote I’m looking Ian Gardner’s book Deliver Us from Darkness about 3rd battalion of the 506th at Market Garden and this photo is captioned on the 167th page as, “This staged photograph shows a group from 326th Airborne Engineers passing a burnt-out GMC truck along Hoog Straat in Veghel.” |
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