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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:21:52 PM EDT
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I liked the way he bombed the fuck out of America's enemies instead of apologizing to them.
One of the things that made the '80s great. 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:22:31 PM EDT
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I would take him back right now.  . Actually, Trump is doing his best to call the commies out.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:22:34 PM EDT
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What's your point? You thought his tax cuts were supposed to cure everything overnight? That our economy wasn't so great by the time he left? How did that debt look as a percent of GDP after 8 years. I'd rather have a 3k mortgage making 500k than making 50. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fed gov size 1981 - 1.56mil Fed gov size 1989 - 1.56mil (only counting civilian, not .mil) https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Chart1-Spending-Per-Capita-vero.png Reagan did not shrink the government. Reagan increased spending though... WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INCREASE SPENDING AND CUT TAXES??? DEBT GOES UP http://popularlogistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/gross-fed-debt-over-gdp2.jpg You went from making 13K with a 4K mortgage to 23K with a 14K mortgage!!! |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:22:52 PM EDT
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Also bullshit. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its imperial control of other people’s countries and a strict communist economy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty much what I was wondering. I've even heard that some believe it was the Pope that caused the Soviet demise. Reagan's contribution to the dissolution of the Soviet Union cannot be dismissed. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:23:07 PM EDT
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-He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office FOPA was critical to gun rights. You have no clue. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:25:20 PM EDT
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FOPA was critical to gun rights. You have no clue. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:26:42 PM EDT
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Bush was to Reagan as Cruz was to Trump.
I’m sorry you don’t know WTF you are talking about. Bush was a bone thrown to the country club republicans Rinos Bush rejected what worked and Cruz would take Reagan’s ideas to the next level. Trump is no Reagan Cruz is damn sure no Bush. Reagan would have voted for Cruz. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:26:42 PM EDT
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Cool, then stop giving Reagan credit for something when he oversaw the opposite! There was an ongoing debate within the Reagan administration on the extent they should fight for balanced budgets. But they were dealing with a Democrat House, and the priority was defeating the USSR. Reality is reality. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:28:30 PM EDT
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He convinced the Soviets we had lasers that could shoot them from mother-fucking-outer-space. Their response to our imaginary "Star Wars" program sent them on such a massive spending frenzy that it's estimated to have hastened their demise by over a decade. Reagan's contribution to the dissolution of the Soviet Union cannot be dismissed. 2) it had nothing to do with lasers 3) Soviet defense spending after SDI was announced was still primarily focused on winning Afghanistan, not on strategic capabilities against the US |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:29:02 PM EDT
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Cool, then stop giving Reagan credit for something when he oversaw the opposite! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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News flash: government never shrinks. Best you can do is check growth the best you can. Sorry your peanut farmer lost, dude. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:30:29 PM EDT
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ITT, we learn why liberalism is winning and the disdain for Millenials continues with good reason. The benefits of Reagan's reign was felt for many years after he left office. The policies and strength he projected as President was palpable, yet torn down by progressives and RINO's bit by bit with each successor. There were issues that some may shake their heads over, but he worked with what he had before him. His love of country cannot be surpassed and will shine for many more years.Yes, the ban of 1986 was horrible but could have been a hell of a lot worse. Just imagine how screwed this country would have been if Carter or his party's next candidate had won. We'd be using peashooters and living under communistic rules and socialistic medical care. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:31:16 PM EDT
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Are you nuts? He literally DOUBLED our Debt as a percentage of GDP!!! You went from making 13K with a 4K mortgage to 23K with a 14K mortgage!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fed gov size 1981 - 1.56mil Fed gov size 1989 - 1.56mil (only counting civilian, not .mil) https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Chart1-Spending-Per-Capita-vero.png Reagan did not shrink the government. Reagan increased spending though... WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INCREASE SPENDING AND CUT TAXES??? DEBT GOES UP http://popularlogistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/gross-fed-debt-over-gdp2.jpg You went from making 13K with a 4K mortgage to 23K with a 14K mortgage!!! |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:31:46 PM EDT
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You're right, it's sad, millennials have been brought up with 12-16 years of a steady diet of how much this country sucks with a super-sized side of emotional feelz rather than critical thinking skills. I work with a lot of millennials and the truth is that most of them will never find their way out of the shallow grave they have been rolled into by us boomers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ITT, we learn why liberalism is winning and the disdain for Millenials continues with good reason. The benefits of Reagan's reign was felt for many years after he left office. The policies and strength he projected as President was palpable, yet torn down by progressives and RINO's bit by bit with each successor. There were issues that some may shake their heads over, but he worked with what he had before him. His love of country cannot be surpassed and will shine for many more years.Yes, the ban of 1986 was horrible but could have been a hell of a lot worse. Just imagine how screwed this country would have been if Carter or his party's next candidate had won. We'd be using peashooters and living under communistic rules and socialistic medical care. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:32:25 PM EDT
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Don't forget him giving California the Democrat vote for the rest of the foreseeable future with the illegal alien amnesty. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:33:45 PM EDT
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Against Trump? At least Trump is doing a good job and hasn’t violated the Second Amendment and sold out to the Commies . Actually, Trump is doing his best to call the commies out.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would take him back right now. . Actually, Trump is doing his best to call the commies out.Reagan brought this country together and had the commies on the run. It was a great time having a confident man who knew what was the threat and knew how to stop it. Interest rates were 16+ percent we were dead in the water and he brought us back. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:33:48 PM EDT
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Born in ‘89. His successor/VP hated freedom and liked gun control too |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:34:01 PM EDT
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To answer OP question.
Reagan rebuilt the US military after it was essentially gutted after Vietnam,lowered taxes to allow one of the biggest economic booms in the last 50 years. Also was able to work with people from across the aisle (Tip O'Neil) to get things done. And OP he scared the bejesus out of the Russians with his Star Wars program which essentially caused them to spend themselves into bankruptcy trying to keep up. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:34:12 PM EDT
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Are you nuts? He literally DOUBLED our Debt as a percentage of GDP!!! You went from making 13K with a 4K mortgage to 23K with a 14K mortgage!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fed gov size 1981 - 1.56mil Fed gov size 1989 - 1.56mil (only counting civilian, not .mil) https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Chart1-Spending-Per-Capita-vero.png Reagan did not shrink the government. Reagan increased spending though... WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INCREASE SPENDING AND CUT TAXES??? DEBT GOES UP http://popularlogistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/gross-fed-debt-over-gdp2.jpg You went from making 13K with a 4K mortgage to 23K with a 14K mortgage!!! |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:34:47 PM EDT
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Born in ‘89. His successor/VP hated freedom and liked gun control too As far as Ronald Reagan not helping to bring down the USSR, perhaps you should read "Victory" by Peter Schweizer. Reagan and his associates set up a chain of events that caused the Soviet economy to collapse like a house of cards. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:35:27 PM EDT
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He believed in small government. Right up until they shot him. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:35:59 PM EDT
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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but: -He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR -He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists -He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members -He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office -He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much? This part alone should make you realize how wrong you are. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:37:02 PM EDT
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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but: -He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR -He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists -He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members -He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office -He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much? The OP forgot the massive debt he signed into law and amnesty. Conservative, my ass. Yeah he gave a great speech and made you feel good to be an American, but that does not forgive what he did. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:37:32 PM EDT
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Join date, post count, birth date and refuses to list the state that he infects with his presence.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:37:39 PM EDT
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Totally! We love him because he shrank the federal government/deficit/debt!!! Oh wait... he grew the debt massively and didn't shrink .gov... Maybe Trump can change it, but thus far it looks like spending is continuing to explode under his watch and our Republican majority. Our current deficit is the highest it's been since the bailouts under Obama. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:37:45 PM EDT
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Because after the disaster that was Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan was proud of the USA. Was he perfect? No. But he was a huge, positive, change from the majority that had preceded him.
You can ask the same about Donald Trump. The answer will be, "Because, after the disaster thatn was Barak Hussein Obama, Donald Trump is proud of the USA. And, he is a huge, positive, change to those who preceded him." Both gave us hope. When Reagan died, motorists along the funeral route stopped and paid their respects. No one is going to do that for Obama. Now, tell us why you think stealing money from those who earn it is good. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:38:08 PM EDT
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Interest rates were 15-18% before Reagan got into office. If you had to borrow money for a house or car you paid through the nose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fed gov size 1981 - 1.56mil Fed gov size 1989 - 1.56mil (only counting civilian, not .mil) https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Chart1-Spending-Per-Capita-vero.png Reagan did not shrink the government. Reagan increased spending though... WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INCREASE SPENDING AND CUT TAXES??? DEBT GOES UP http://popularlogistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/gross-fed-debt-over-gdp2.jpg You went from making 13K with a 4K mortgage to 23K with a 14K mortgage!!! 14.8% when he took office 10.7% when he left office Improved but not as much as the debt:GDP doubling |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:38:17 PM EDT
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Born in ‘89. Hell ! ! ! . . . I've got underwear older than that. Grow up kid . . . and do a bit of serious reading . . . . . . and understanding . . . Maybe you'll actually catch-up. 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:38:27 PM EDT
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Growing up, we talked about nuclear war with the USSR on the playground. About the same time I was contracting with the US Army, the USSR was in formal collapse. I redirected from a military career to one of science and engineering - later doing my small part of the analysis to dispose of some of the USSR's fissile material in our commercial reactors - material that was once aimed at the US. I've had the privilege of working with people who lived in Soviet satellites in eastern Europe, men and women who were on government hit lists for their anti-communist political activism; men who were in the East German army, with their version of the 101st, ready to fight us to the death if forced ... all of these men and women spoke highly of Reagan, how he gave them hope for something better.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:38:44 PM EDT
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Kids nowadays...
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:38:53 PM EDT
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It did good things, sure. So why did we compromise on our rights? Recall Clinton tried to use lawsuits to shut down the gun industry after Republicans won the House. Imagine if he could have used the BATF without FOPA to go after FFLs. He would have destroyed gun dealers. The MG ban was something they could have done at any time. We only had one shot at FOPA, until Bush 43 (who passed tort reform to prevent the type of lawsuits Clinton used against the industry). |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:39:20 PM EDT
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Bush was to Reagan as Cruz was to Trump. As a gesture of good will to the GOPe, the Gipper chose H.W. As his running mate. They were not friends, and they did not share ideology. Defecit spending and massive interest rate cuts in the 80's set the course of recent history. There was no golden age, even if it seemed like there was. It was very much like the 20's, truly breathtaking credit inflation and collapsing interest rates forcing P/E ratios and asset prices up. Our grandchildren will still be paying for the credit boom of the 80's-90's a century from now, one way or another. I don't believe Reagan actually ever regained full control of the executive after he got shot. I liked Reagan, he's certainly the best president of my lifetime, but the GOP was never the party of Reagan, and he wasn't the president people like to believe he was, he wasn't the man who spoke for Goldwater anymore. The older you get the more you realize there aren't easy solutions to complex problems. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:39:40 PM EDT
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And let the crazy people out of mental facilities.
My older brother hates him. It's like he personally ruined something dear or molested his mind. The dead get no slack here, right? He freed the flight controllers. 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:40:58 PM EDT
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I commend OP for trying to understand history from those of us that lived through it.
One word of advise...do more research on historical events than skimming Wikipedia. Reagan was a great President,yes he was not perfect and did somethings which are not liked by conservatives. Guess what? Name one President who stuck to his party line on everything . The answer,not a single one. Look at the man for his body of work instead of cherry picking his short comings where he did not act or accomplish everything you deem worthy. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:41:17 PM EDT
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Go back and listen to some of Reagan’s speech’s from the 60-70’s.
Trump is good for now but he was not a pimple on Reagan’s ass. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:42:43 PM EDT
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Also bullshit. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its imperial control of other people’s countries and a strict communist economy. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:43:07 PM EDT
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After the Nixon/Ford/Carter years, what is not to like?
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:43:12 PM EDT
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I don't know why some conservatives bitch about him.
Guess that makes us even... |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:44:01 PM EDT
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Born in ‘89. His successor/VP hated freedom and liked gun control too |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:44:34 PM EDT
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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but: -He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR -He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists -He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members -He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office -He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much? -Yes he did at least help cause the collapse of them. Read about defense spending, the wars in Angola, Afghanistan, Namibia, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, etc. -Nixon started it. -Lebanon was a complete mess. They actually did some airstrikes after the bombing and supported Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War (Hezbollah was connected to Iran of course) but the best thing to do was leave Lebanon. He didn't want another Vietnam. -He signed FOPA because the NRA told him to and even said they'd get rid of the MG ban later in court -Hong Kong was leased, so it was going back. Just as India took Goa from the Portuguese, it was going back the easy way or the hard way. Read about the decline of the British Empire around the world. It's Morning in America. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:44:46 PM EDT
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guy was a complete toolbag, couldn't agree more
pretty much the embodiment of how delusional some republicans can be |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:44:53 PM EDT
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Are you nuts? He literally DOUBLED our Debt as a percentage of GDP!!! You went from making 13K with a 4K mortgage to 23K with a 14K mortgage!!! |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:45:52 PM EDT
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3) Soviet defense spending after SDI was announced was still primarily focused on winning Afghanistan, not on strategic capabilities against the US It is really hard to get firm numbers on things like that. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:46:30 PM EDT
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Some people’s kids...
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:46:49 PM EDT
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Don't forget him giving California the Democrat vote for the rest of the foreseeable future with the illegal alien amnesty. The deal was that it was a one-time amnesty for border security promised by the 'Rats. Of course, the 'Rats lied. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:47:27 PM EDT
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Some of your points might be legit, OP. But here's the thing...
He followed Jimmy Carter. Who wouldn't seem great? He was the first President I got to vote for, and he WON! It felt GREAT to be an American when Reagan was President. He was actually a pretty based motherfucker too... And the fall of the USSR didn't finally happen on his watch, but I believe he did a lot to lead them down that primrose path. Arms Race, look it up. They didn't call him Ronny RayGun for nuttin.. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:48:51 PM EDT
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Join date, post count, birth date and refuses to list the state that he infects with his presence. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:50:07 PM EDT
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Until Trump, I have never seen a President that did not disrespect the Constitution. I get it, you’re not even 30 yet and were a product of revisionist history. The Second Ammendment and scary black guns are not the *only* important issues. Pick up some books bud..... |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:53:58 PM EDT
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Seems like I understand the Constitution pretty well if I can understand that “shall not be infringed” means exactly that |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:54:03 PM EDT
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Reagan was a good president but he fucked up a lot too, however, some of you worship him with the same fervor as you worship Christ (or Trump). It is pretty pathetic and intellectually dishonest. Deifying Reagan is as bad for us as demonizing Obama. Honest appraisal is best.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:55:55 PM EDT
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It did good things, sure. So why did we compromise on our rights? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FOPA was critical to gun rights. You have no clue. Since you weren't even alive at the time, let me fill you in on a little secret. You could buy a newly made machine guns up until FOPA was passed. You know why there are so few machine guns on the registry? No one wanted them back then, mainly because they cost $200 more then the semi versions out on the market. So a call was made, benefit a lot of gun owners and give up something that no one was taking advantage of. Was it the right call to make? In the grand scheme of things, I think it was. I doubt we would have had anything that would have fixed those problems in the year after. |
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