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Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:08:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:

@CarmelBytheSea

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And this!
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:08:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Solace22:
honest question on a scale of 1-10 how big of a deal is war with Iran?
1 being desert storm level push over, 10 being complete nuclear war across the globe, end of civilization likely.
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I have read from some somewhat credible sources that Iran has enough conventional missiles to completely destroy the entirety of oil production in the region. And has stated public ally that if attacked they will destroy oil production. Apparently, they have the capability in conventional capability that they can easily saturate the environment and overwhelm our ability to shoot down and/or otherwise neutralize them.

I don’t know how true that is or is not so take it with a grain of salt. Assuming it’s true it would wreak havoc on the world’s economies as the cost of oil would sky rocket.

It could also be 100% unmitigated bullshit that’s designed to get us to think twice before attacking Iran.

There’s a reason we don’t go after Iran and to be honest I’m not really sure why we don’t.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:08:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:


Iran is using Hezbollah to start a war with us,  we are being drawn right into there plans. Iran's leaders need to be taken out. Because Irans population does not want war, you take out the leaders the population there will do the rest.
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There were three opportunities to take out the regime during the Arab Spring era and for some reason our leadership at the time refused to advance those opportunities even though we supported it elsewhere like Egypt and Libya…why allow the regime to remain intact unless you need it as either a pariah or proxy
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:09:29 PM EDT
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Christians are not held to the kosher laws. There’s a plethora of scripture around that fact if needed.
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You sir are correct. I saw this as a Jew and a devout Christian
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:09:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ruark:


I hope not, but it's looking that way.  A ground war with Iran would be catastrophic, for many reasons:

- Iran is BIG.  At least 5 times bigger than Iraq. 3 times bigger than Afghanistan.  Full of empty desert and rugged desert mountain ranges. Getting military forces in place, mobile and supplied would be a stupendous task, if possible at all. The only way to get to it is through the Gulf of Oman.

- Iran's population dwarves other middle eastern countries:  about 90,000,000.

- It has a technologically advanced air defense system - mobile and fixed, single and multiple target capable.

- It has a big military; over 1 million active and reserve, with tens of millions ready to draft and chanting "death to America!"

No, they can't match the U.S. by the numbers, and in general their weaponry is not first-tier, but they certainly wouldn't be pushovers. Iraq and Afghanistan would be a walk in the park compared to Iran. If they decide to roll up their sleeves and jump into this conflict, God help us.
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Gentlemen, I do believe we are at the brink.


I hope not, but it's looking that way.  A ground war with Iran would be catastrophic, for many reasons:

- Iran is BIG.  At least 5 times bigger than Iraq. 3 times bigger than Afghanistan.  Full of empty desert and rugged desert mountain ranges. Getting military forces in place, mobile and supplied would be a stupendous task, if possible at all. The only way to get to it is through the Gulf of Oman.

- Iran's population dwarves other middle eastern countries:  about 90,000,000.

- It has a technologically advanced air defense system - mobile and fixed, single and multiple target capable.

- It has a big military; over 1 million active and reserve, with tens of millions ready to draft and chanting "death to America!"

No, they can't match the U.S. by the numbers, and in general their weaponry is not first-tier, but they certainly wouldn't be pushovers. Iraq and Afghanistan would be a walk in the park compared to Iran. If they decide to roll up their sleeves and jump into this conflict, God help us.

folks that believe we are gonna get into a ground war with iran aint got the brains god gave an animal cracker. would require a draft, buildup of munitions, training. this country would only support such a thing if iran directly was involved in something like a nuke strike on this country.  the logistics alone are huge. no other nation is gonna support a ground war with iran unless its part of wwIII. the only way to effectively hit iran is with nukes. nukes would get the job done. start by hitting key sites and walk it in. but now you are talking wwIII again. a real war with iran simply isnt gonna happen. those that thinks so have no grasp on reality.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:10:04 PM EDT
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Hezbollah doesn't have air, armor, or conventional artillery. And the IDF is over twice as big as it was last week.

They can spend a lot of lives taking some border towns and get rooted out but I don't know what else they think they're going to do.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:10:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:

@CarmelBytheSea

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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

No carry on, I’ll bow out. I have a bad tendency to want to move on to the big picture. I’ve received that criticism is my past OERs and still haven’t learned my lesson in civilian life.

@CarmelBytheSea

Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes.


Seconded.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:12:01 PM EDT
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Jews, "Good luck with that gorilla warfare". Blow every building up
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Jews, "Good luck with that gorilla warfare". Blow every building up
Take the NY Times article with caution just like the reporting on Egypt knowing in advance...

Our IC hates el-Sisi, well, at least the pro-Muslim Brotherhood side of the IC.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:12:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:

@CarmelBytheSea

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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

No carry on, I’ll bow out. I have a bad tendency to want to move on to the big picture. I’ve received that criticism is my past OERs and still haven’t learned my lesson in civilian life.

@CarmelBytheSea

Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes.

I’ll second this.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:13:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AR15thur:

Christians are not held to the kosher laws. There’s a plethora of scripture around that fact if needed.
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Unless I'm not understanding, he says everything they did is forbidden by their religion. They did it anyway.

How many Christians that you know eat lobster, shrimp, scallops, crab, bacon, and/or pork chops?  People always rationalize their way around prohibitions.

Christians are not held to the kosher laws. There’s a plethora of scripture around that fact if needed.


Beat me to it.  The old covenant, etc.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:13:13 PM EDT
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They tend to not do anything without the knowledge of the PRC
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North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation.

DPRNK will sell anything and everything to raise cash, regardless of ethics or embargos.  They sold a turn-key plutonium-based weapons program to Syria, and the reactor was a week/month away from core loading when the Israelis took it out.  They shopped this system to several countries in the Middle East back in 2000/2001, so it wasn't just Syria.  Libya also nibbled at the hook, more than we knew, more than we suspected.  Syria's contract acceptance appeared to have moved forward without any US notice.

Whether this is just and unfortunate arrangement for purely monetary aspects, or part of a broader plan by DPRNK for a destabilized world that ultimately benefits them by creating more problems for the rest of the world, is hard to say.  Worse, would be that DPRNK is doing this destabilization in trade for Chinese economic and strategic favor.

They tend to not do anything without the knowledge of the PRC
Yes.  And that's the thing, NK is a proxy of the CCP so their actions are driven by China's approvals.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:13:16 PM EDT
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I'm seeing a pattern here. Queer kids with daddy issues and possibly a gay Islamic snuff fetish
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I'm seeing a pattern here. Queer kids with daddy issues and possibly a gay Islamic snuff fetish


It’s not rocket science.

It’s just nut jobs that we are no longer willing to put in asylums.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:13:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Piratepast40:

I don't see how Israel can mount a ground war against Iran.  They simply don't have the logistics capability, much less the war assets.
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That's probably why they've never even insinuated that they would.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:15:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Solace22:


I've said from the beginning the religious aspects of this make it a whole other level than the Ukraine & Russia stuff.
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Did not the US say if Hezbollah joins the fight, the US will come in......  Is there a strike group in the Persian Gulf right now.....  I wonder if troops will be sent to Iraq as a staging ground to go into Iran.....



One way or another----  IRAN has to be dealt with, if not, this is going to happen again, then we risk the next time it happens they may have nukes.......

Non of this is looking good.......   we may just be on the brink of WW3.......


I've said from the beginning the religious aspects of this make it a whole other level than the Ukraine & Russia stuff.



Russia and Ukraine is Slavic peoples with their territory disputes, with a mix of NATO globalism thrown in. Brutal but predictable. What we saw in southern Israel at the hands of Hamas zealots is animalistic depravity and hatred, rivalling any evil seen since before the flood. It needs to be killed with fire if any semblance of civilization is to exist. You can say "it's only the Jews". Guess what, ISIS was doing similar things to Christians in Iraq. Though I think Hamas has reached a new level of evil depravity with what occurred at the kibbutzes a week ago...
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:15:22 PM EDT
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Close Call With Attack Drone | Is A Ground Attack Imminent? First Impressions Entering Israel At War
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:16:41 PM EDT
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@CarmelBytheSea

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@HIPPO I meant I won’t pester Fike with responses to his North Korean AK inquiry. Should have just left it alone. I’m already almost off topic delving into a war with Iran but everyone else discussing it got me rolling on my Iran war thoughts.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:16:41 PM EDT
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Al Jazeera correspondent and a cameraman: Hit by Israeli shelling in South Lebanon

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Al Jizz-eera's biased news reporting makes CNN look fair and balanced. No love lost here.

Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:16:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By st0newall:

folks that believe we are gonna get into a ground war with iran aint got the brains god gave an animal cracker. would require a draft, buildup of munitions, training. this country would only support such a thing if iran directly was involved in something like a nuke strike on this country.  the logistics alone are huge. no other nation is gonna support a ground war with iran unless its part of wwIII. the only way to effectively hit iran is with nukes. nukes would get the job done. start by hitting key sites and walk it in. but now you are talking wwIII again. a real war with iran simply isnt gonna happen. those that thinks so have no grasp on reality.
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Better tell Lindsay Graham and the Neocons that in a convincing way .
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:17:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By METT-T:
Hezbollah doesn't have air, armor, or conventional artillery. And the IDF is over twice as big as it was last week.

They can spend a lot of lives taking some border towns and get rooted out but I don't know what else they think they're going to do.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_equipment_of_Hezbollah

They do have some.  
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:17:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rifle_length:
Spot on as usual Ron. I should have said more specifically they are watching the US response in the Israel situation, comparing that to the US response in regards to Ukraine and adjusting/adapting as necessary.
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North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation.

China has no interest in this fight. If anything, I would say Russia instead of China, as Russia has been tight with Kim Jong-Un procuring arms shipments for their continuing war in Ukraine.
The Chinese interest in this fight is academic with a smidge of pot stirring. They are watching keenly and loving what they are seeing.

Probably more than academic.  They know at the end of a empire's life all that is necessary is the right nudge to cause its collapses, and empires tend to collapse because their economies cannot support both its domestic spending and its overseas commit
Spot on as usual Ron. I should have said more specifically they are watching the US response in the Israel situation, comparing that to the US response in regards to Ukraine and adjusting/adapting as necessary.


IMO they've been studying the Ukraine war intensely - learning from it just like they learned from Desert Storm and the Yugoslav intervention.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:18:08 PM EDT
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And this!
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:

@CarmelBytheSea

Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes.


And this!


Agree.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:19:11 PM EDT
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@BB the Iranians believe neither Israel nor USA would dare attack them with conventional military within their national territory and sounding like a warning that will extend to their allies or it’s a warning not to try with their allies. There’s numerous Iran state news articles boasting country of Iran is untouchable
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:19:14 PM EDT
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...dont point things that look like weapons at military positions in a war zone
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:19:30 PM EDT
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That right there shows who the good guys are. Shed a few happy tears seeing that after all the killing
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Israelis taking some time to rescue doggos


That right there shows who the good guys are. Shed a few happy tears seeing that after all the killing



Absolutely correct.  
I have seen multiple instances of Israeli military saving dogs.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:19:52 PM EDT
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The best way to defeat Iran is to destabilize it from the inside while also surgically striking its key leaders and facilities and etc. pl3nty of thier young people hate the mullahs.
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I got in trouble in the Army for saying, in 2006, that we need to not drop JDAMs but drop "J-Crew" (meaning popular, social items) instead.  Win the population over, and let them do our work for us.

Drop millions of iPhones today, give them free, unfiltered access to the internet (Starlink-like?) and watch what happens...
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:20:33 PM EDT
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Iran government met with new Iraqi government last week to press them to demand US forces completely leave Iraq
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Iran leadership visited yesterday too on their way to Beirut. Their stop in Syria was CX since the runways in Damascus and Aleppo got bombed by IAF Fat Amys.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:20:47 PM EDT
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The "la la la la la" at the end was odd, and disturbing.  Blocking out reality for the few minutes she had left, assuming that's her in the pic.  
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video in tweet. Edit - autocorrect.

The "la la la la la" at the end was odd, and disturbing.  Blocking out reality for the few minutes she had left, assuming that's her in the pic.  


La means no.
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

@HIPPO I meant I won’t pester Fike with responses to his North Korean AK inquiry. Should have just left it alone. I’m already almost off topic delving into a war with Iran but everyone else discussing it got me rolling on my Iran war thoughts.
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:
Originally Posted By HIPPO:

@CarmelBytheSea

Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes.

@HIPPO I meant I won’t pester Fike with responses to his North Korean AK inquiry. Should have just left it alone. I’m already almost off topic delving into a war with Iran but everyone else discussing it got me rolling on my Iran war thoughts.


Bring your off topic discussions here

Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:21:05 PM EDT
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Let's not.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:21:19 PM EDT
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I haven't been, hence the question. I would assume given what happened they would have acted quickly and forcefully.
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Sorry, they don't risk their military personnel just to entertain you.  If you have ever been a part of any military planning you'd understand but otherwise just keep looking at the screen for updates.

I haven't been, hence the question. I would assume given what happened they would have acted quickly and forcefully.

They are... with bombs.  And with cutting off food and power...

If you want soldiers walking through Gaza hunting Hamas, that is very difficult, as they have a tunnel network that rivals the Viet cong.  They probably want them all starving and dying of thirst in the dark before they move in.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:21:38 PM EDT
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Three videos from MEMRI from school children in the United States.

Shiite Children in Houston, TX Pledge to Be the Soldiers of Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei


Children Singing in Philadelphia Muslim Society: We Will Be Martyred on Palestine's Soil as Fedayeen


Children in Philadelphia Muslim Society: We Will Sacrifice Ourselves for Al-Aqsa
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Absolutely correct.  
I have seen multiple instances of Israeli military saving dogs.
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Poor little Shih-tzu. Probably lost her mommy & daddy.
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Jewish NYC councilwoman Inna Vernikov is arrested for wearing a gun on her waist while opposing pro-Palestine rally at Brooklyn College

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GOOD! Finally!!

An unarmed Jew is just a yet to be murdered Jew.
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Birthright citizenship is retarded.
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Did we see any? I’m not trying to state that NK doesn’t provide material support in the region, but rather the idea that “NK provided the AK’s” is dubious with the evidence we have seen.
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I’m dubious of that claim. Every pic I have seen has been the “standard” mishmash of well used AK’s seen in the middle east for decades.

The only outlier being a few modern 100 series guns that no doubt came from the years of conflict in Syria.


North Korea has supplied MANY weapons to Iran, who in turn have supplied to Huthis, Syria, Hamas, etc.   The Type 73 is most recognizable as distinctly NK.


Did we see any? I’m not trying to state that NK doesn’t provide material support in the region, but rather the idea that “NK provided the AK’s” is dubious with the evidence we have seen.

Most of the Huthi AKs I saw were Iranian.
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

@BB the Iranians believe neither Israel nor USA would dare attack them within their national territory and sounding like a warning that will extend to their allies or it’s a warning not to try with their allies. There’s numerous Iran state news articles boasting country of Iran is untouchable
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whats that even mean?

@BB the Iranians believe neither Israel nor USA would dare attack them within their national territory and sounding like a warning that will extend to their allies or it’s a warning not to try with their allies. There’s numerous Iran state news articles boasting country of Iran is untouchable


I guess we need to sink half their navy again.

What do those assholes think the carrier groups are for?


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Jewish NYC councilwoman Inna Vernikov is arrested for wearing a gun on her waist while opposing pro-Palestine rally at Brooklyn College

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'I'm here at the pro-Hamas rally in Brooklyn college. There is a ton of police and we made sure the Jewish students feel safe today,' she said




A New York City councilwoman has been arrested after she wore a gun on her waist while opposing a pro-Palestine rally at CUNY’s Brooklyn College.

Republican Brooklyn councilwoman Inna Vernikov, who is Jewish, turned herself in to the NYPD early on Friday after her appearance at the school's Flatbush campus, where hundreds gathered to support Palestine after Hamas' attack left over 1,000 Israelis dead.

Officials reportedly contacted her to inform her she was being charged with criminal possession of a weapon, The New York Post reported.




Vernikov, 39, was released with a desk appearance ticket and ordered to surrender her gun, a Smith & Wesson 9 millimeter, as well as her concealed carry license, which she just obtained last month.

While she had a license, it is a Class E felony to bring a gun to a protest or school grounds, which are deemed 'sensitive locations.'


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Not. Guilty.
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Another story of good guys with guns killing bad guys:

https://t.me/hnaftali/6189

This man saved an entire Kibbutz from massacre.

Elia Natan Lilental, the Rabbi of Kibbutz Sufa, on Saturday morning, identified two suspects from the window of his house, he immediately realized that they were terrorists and eliminated them. Immediately after that, Elia raised the alert squad and together they eliminated more than ten terrorists.
None of the members were kidnapped, and no house was burned.

During the exchange of fire, Kibbutz Sofa lost three members: Ido Hobra, Bernard Cohen, and Ofir Erez. Had it not been for the heroic behavior of Elia and the members of the standby squad, the disaster would have been much greater.
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CivDiv (USMC vet who fought with the Kurds and the Ukrainians) uploaded avideo about war tunnels, going in depth about the construction of an underground base and tunnel complex from his time in the YPG. It details that tunnels are pretty difficult to beat, and, if this is what the Kurds could do in the middle of nowhere, I imagine that HAMAS has dug some absurdly elaborate networks under Gaza.

In short, a tunnel doesn't mean "shitty hallway under the ground." A motivated force can create surprisingly elaborate and developed bases underground, including electricity, remote weapons, running water, drainage and plumbing, etc. The combination of intelligent defensive design, the maze-like tunnels and the knowledge of their layout and hidden exits means that tunnel networks are an extremely formidable target, nigh impossible to clear by infantry.

He does mention that the tunnels he was in were resistant to bunker busters due to being deep under a mountain, which is something HAMAS might not have the luxury of, but it does demonstrate that even heavy explosives aren't necessarily a solution.

To go over the common measures people propose:

. His tunnels had various camouflaged ventilation shafts to provide oxygen and protect against gas attacks. Soldiers were also equipped with personal oxygen and gas masks, with more being placed in shelters.

. The drainage systems are an effective countermeasure for flooding attacks; it would take extremely large amounts of water to completely flood a tunnel.

. There are countless hidden exits to the surface, which means besieging a tunnel is almost impossible. There are also large stocks of supplies stored within the tunnels themselves.

. The tight spaces and defensive design of the complexes make them pretty much impossible to assault with infantry.

. The depths of tunnels add pretty good resistance to bunker busters.
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Originally Posted By midmo:

The "la la la la la" at the end was odd, and disturbing.  Blocking out reality for the few minutes she had left, assuming that's her in the pic.  
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Originally Posted By midmo:
Originally Posted By HIPPO:
video in tweet. Edit - autocorrect.

The "la la la la la" at the end was odd, and disturbing.  Blocking out reality for the few minutes she had left, assuming that's her in the pic.  


“La” is Arabic for “no”.

She is saying “no, no, no, no
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:26:23 PM EDT
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Posted ~10 mins ago. Clarifies that earlier posts re: Qatar cutting oil supplies was a fake news story (why I labeled it as developing).
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:26:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SBR_Slut:


Birthright citizenship is retarded.
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Originally Posted By Birddog1911:


Birthright citizenship is retarded.
The one that killed a teacher in France was supposed to be deported in 2014.

Some NGO type group was able to get the deportation order canceled. Him and his brother were known radicals and under some sort of surveillance.

The west is incredibly stupid for opening the gates to the muslim world.


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Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:26:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

@HIPPO I meant I won’t pester Fike with responses to his North Korean AK inquiry. Should have just left it alone. I’m already almost off topic delving into a war with Iran but everyone else discussing it got me rolling on my Iran war thoughts.
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:
Originally Posted By HIPPO:

@CarmelBytheSea

Please stay and continue to contribute. Many of us greatly appreciate your contributions. The strategic perspective you are sharing is critical to understanding what is playing out before our very eyes.

@HIPPO I meant I won’t pester Fike with responses to his North Korean AK inquiry. Should have just left it alone. I’m already almost off topic delving into a war with Iran but everyone else discussing it got me rolling on my Iran war thoughts.


Probably an odd request, but I would be interested in a thread that's pretty much just your geopolitical ramblings.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:27:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By billpete:


I got in trouble in the Army for saying, in 2006, that we need to not drop JDAMs but drop "J-Crew" (meaning popular, social items) instead.  Win the population over, and let them do our work for us.

Drop millions of iPhones today, give them free, unfiltered access to the internet (Starlink-like?) and watch what happens...
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in North Korea they'd execute the civilians that were found with those items
Probably similar result
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:27:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jaehaerys:
CivDiv (USMC vet who fought with the Kurds and the Ukrainians) uploaded avideo about war tunnels, going in depth about the construction of an underground base and tunnel complex from his time in the YPG. It details that tunnels are pretty difficult to beat, and, if this is what the Kurds could do in the middle of nowhere, I imagine that HAMAS has dug some absurdly elaborate networks under Gaza.

In short, a tunnel doesn't mean "shitty hallway under the ground." A motivated force can create surprisingly elaborate and developed bases underground, including electricity, remote weapons, running water, drainage and plumbing, etc. The combination of intelligent defensive design, the maze-like tunnels and the knowledge of their layout and hidden exits means that tunnel networks are an extremely formidable target, nigh impossible to clear by infantry.

He does mention that the tunnels he was in were resistant to bunker busters due to being deep under a mountain, which is something HAMAS might not have the luxury of, but it does demonstrate that even heavy explosives aren't necessarily a solution.

To go over the common measures people propose:

. His tunnels had various camouflaged ventilation shafts to provide oxygen and protect against gas attacks. Soldiers were also equipped with personal oxygen and gas masks, with more being placed in shelters.

. The drainage systems are an effective countermeasure for flooding attacks; it would take extremely large amounts of water to completely flood a tunnel.

. There are countless hidden exits to the surface, which means besieging a tunnel is almost impossible. There are also large stocks of supplies stored within the tunnels themselves.

. The tight spaces and defensive design of the complexes make them pretty much impossible to assault with infantry.

. The depths of tunnels add pretty good resistance to bunker busters.
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We came across some pretty elaborate ones in Afghanistan
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:28:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:


I guess we need to sink half their navy again.

What do those assholes think the carrier groups are for?


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They claim it’s kabuki theater or to pick on their weaker friends but is not a true threat to the ground homeland of Iran - conventional military wise
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 1:28:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jaehaerys:
CivDiv (USMC vet who fought with the Kurds and the Ukrainians) uploaded avideo about war tunnels, going in depth about the construction of an underground base and tunnel complex from his time in the YPG. It details that tunnels are pretty difficult to beat, and, if this is what the Kurds could do in the middle of nowhere, I imagine that HAMAS has dug some absurdly elaborate networks under Gaza.

In short, a tunnel doesn't mean "shitty hallway under the ground." A motivated force can create surprisingly elaborate and developed bases underground, including electricity, remote weapons, running water, drainage and plumbing, etc. The combination of intelligent defensive design, the maze-like tunnels and the knowledge of their layout and hidden exits means that tunnel networks are an extremely formidable target, nigh impossible to clear by infantry.

He does mention that the tunnels he was in were resistant to bunker busters due to being deep under a mountain, which is something HAMAS might not have the luxury of, but it does demonstrate that even heavy explosives aren't necessarily a solution.

To go over the common measures people propose:

. His tunnels had various camouflaged ventilation shafts to provide oxygen and protect against gas attacks. Soldiers were also equipped with personal oxygen and gas masks, with more being placed in shelters.

. The drainage systems are an effective countermeasure for flooding attacks; it would take extremely large amounts of water to completely flood a tunnel.

. There are countless hidden exits to the surface, which means besieging a tunnel is almost impossible. There are also large stocks of supplies stored within the tunnels themselves.

. The tight spaces and defensive design of the complexes make them pretty much impossible to assault with infantry.

. The depths of tunnels add pretty good resistance to bunker busters.
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A heavier than air oxygen displacer will do the trick.
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