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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:22:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmxterra: Someone else might have already commented on this... but have you noticed almost all the commenters on the NASA feed are all wemnz. Same with the controllers. (at least the ones speaking) NASA has been getting progressively more woke since at least the early 2000s when they went full bore into the official climate change narrative. At this rate, in about 30 years I would expect that they would only hire women and disabled people of color. Actual qualifications or ability to do tasks assigned be damned. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:23:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:24:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmxterra: Someone else might have already commented on this... but have you noticed almost all the commenters on the NASA feed are all wemnz. Same with the controllers. (at least the ones speaking) making up for the Homophobe telescope |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:25:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmxterra: Someone else might have already commented on this... but have you noticed almost all the commenters on the NASA feed are all UNATTRACTIVE wemnz. Same with the controllers. (at least the ones speaking) FIFY |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:25:51 AM EDT
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Now the mirror is moving into final position.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:26:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: NASA has been getting progressively more woke since at least the early 2000s when they went full bore into the official climate change narrative. At this rate, in about 30 years I would expect that they would only hire women and disabled people of color. Actual qualifications or ability to do tasks provided be damned. meeeeh. NASA outsources a bunch of engineering from Lockheed, Grumman, SpaceX, ect ect. The important work is still carried out by qualified people. Regardless of race or gender. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:26:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmxterra: Someone else might have already commented on this... but have you noticed almost all the commenters on the NASA feed are all wemnz. Same with the controllers. (at least the ones speaking) and they won't shut up even when they said they would. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:29:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: unseenSNIPER]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: NASA has been getting progressively more woke since at least the early 2000s when they went full bore into the official climate change narrative. At this rate, in about 30 years I would expect that they would only hire women and disabled people of color. Actual qualifications or ability to do tasks assigned be damned. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By cmxterra: Someone else might have already commented on this... but have you noticed almost all the commenters on the NASA feed are all wemnz. Same with the controllers. (at least the ones speaking) NASA has been getting progressively more woke since at least the early 2000s when they went full bore into the official climate change narrative. At this rate, in about 30 years I would expect that they would only hire women and disabled people of color. Actual qualifications or ability to do tasks assigned be damned. Nah, the real work is being done by men, behind the scenes, of course. 
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:30:30 AM EDT
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And there it is fully deployed mirrors good job
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:32:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Surfdiver: And there it is fully deployed mirrors good job   |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:32:21 AM EDT
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Hopefully this means it will start sending photos when it gets to L2. It's still unbelievable that they've gotten this far with all of the setbacks.
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:32:24 AM EDT
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If Starship comes online, there will be no point in refueling James Webb. A better version will be launched for a quarter the price.
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:33:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: meeeeh. NASA outsources a bunch of engineering from Lockheed, Grumman, SpaceX, ect ect. The important work is still carried out by qualified people. Regardless of race or gender. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By Hesperus: NASA has been getting progressively more woke since at least the early 2000s when they went full bore into the official climate change narrative. At this rate, in about 30 years I would expect that they would only hire women and disabled people of color. Actual qualifications or ability to do tasks provided be damned. meeeeh. NASA outsources a bunch of engineering from Lockheed, Grumman, SpaceX, ect ect. The important work is still carried out by qualified people. Regardless of race or gender. well Boeing is WOKE AF...I am sure they are all going to get there soon. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:33:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Surfdiver: And there it is fully deployed mirrors good job hells yeah~!! |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:33:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:36:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: If Starship comes online, there will be no point in refueling James Webb. A better version will be launched for a quarter the price. And it will be Yugge!  But let's wait until we have mountains of technical data and years of astronomical observations from Webb before we start working on that. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:36:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: If Starship comes online, there will be no point in refueling James Webb. A better version will be launched for a quarter the price. More operating telescopes means.. more science. There are a bunch of bigger telescopes on Earth that have way bigger mirrors with adaptive optics than the Hubble. Yet, nobody wants to retire the Hubble. Even if we do what you say, all the better if we "get both". |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:39:50 AM EDT
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we should really have an space station in L2
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:44:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: If Starship comes online, there will be no point in refueling James Webb. A better version will be launched for a quarter the price. Quarter of the price for the launch or the whole program? |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 11:47:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Enzo300]
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How long before Elon puts user rentable and controllable scopes in orbit?
I bet a Meade LX200 would really rock from orbit.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 12:26:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: I hope the time JWST runs out of fuel in a decade or so, we'll have a refueling system we can send out there. The Hubble is 30 years old and still doing good science. If ¡JEBB! gets serviced it won't be humans servicing. As usual, Scott Manley already has a video on the subject.  A New Satellite Is Preparing To Repair An Old Satellite Northrop Grumman video  Next Generation of Satellite Servicing Products: Mission Robotic Vehicle and Mission Extension Pods |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 12:26:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Quarter of the price for the launch or the whole program? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: If Starship comes online, there will be no point in refueling James Webb. A better version will be launched for a quarter the price. Quarter of the price for the launch or the whole program? Both. If Starship drops launch costs as significantly as projected, the reduction of weight and volume penalties will allow people to construct simpler satellites made from cheaper materials and with larger fuel tanks. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 12:53:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: California_Kid]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: we should really have an space station in L2 Have you heard of the L5 Society? When I was an undergraduate, I attended a lecture by Timothy Leary explaining and promoting it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L5_Society |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 1:01:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: Have you heard of the L5 Society? When I was an undergraduate, I attended a lecture by Timothy Leary explaining and promoting it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L5_Society Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By midcap: we should really have an space station in L2 Have you heard of the L5 Society? When I was an undergraduate, I attended a lecture by Timothy Leary explaining and promoting it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L5_Society that's really cool. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 1:15:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fike]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Both. If Starship drops launch costs as significantly as projected, the reduction of weight and volume penalties will allow people to construct simpler satellites made from cheaper materials and with larger fuel tanks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: If Starship comes online, there will be no point in refueling James Webb. A better version will be launched for a quarter the price. Quarter of the price for the launch or the whole program? Both. If Starship drops launch costs as significantly as projected, the reduction of weight and volume penalties will allow people to construct simpler satellites made from cheaper materials and with larger fuel tanks. Starship might reduce the cost of getting shit to space, but when talking about a direct replacement for Webb as a premier NASA project, we are talking about LUVOIR and HabEx which will probably launch around 2040. The vast majority of the cost will be in building the telescopes. The LUVOIR A design (15m primary mirror vs the 6.5 of Webb) has already been planned to fold into an 8 meter wide payload fairing. Both projects (or some combination) are already proposed to launch on either a Starship or a SLS with project costs that mirror Webb. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 1:20:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2022 1:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Have they finished latching the wing? That’s jumping ahead a bit |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 1:27:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Starship might reduce the cost of getting shit to space, but when talking about a direct replacement for Webb as a premier NASA project, we are talking about LUVOIR and HabEx which will probably launch around 2040. The vast majority of the cost will be in building the telescopes. The LUVOIR A design (15m primary mirror vs the 6.5 of Webb) has already been planned to fold into an 8 meter wide payload fairing. Both projects (or some combination) are already proposed to launch on either a Starship or a SLS with project costs that mirror Webb. Let's see how long that last bit can go on for when the economy implodes into a nightmare of Stagflation. Followed by a cavalcade of Neo-feudalist 5 year plans. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 1:48:43 PM EDT
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Have to wonder about the risk v. reward when it comes to folding stuff up to fit in a single launch / fairing vs assembling more rigid / robust structures in low earth orbit and then boosting an assembled structure to a final orbit. Risk either way of course.
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Posted: 1/8/2022 2:03:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Starship might reduce the cost of getting shit to space, but when talking about a direct replacement for Webb as a premier NASA project, we are talking about LUVOIR and HabEx which will probably launch around 2040. The vast majority of the cost will be in building the telescopes. The LUVOIR A design (15m primary mirror vs the 6.5 of Webb) has already been planned to fold into an 8 meter wide payload fairing. Both projects (or some combination) are already proposed to launch on either a Starship or a SLS with project costs that mirror Webb. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: If Starship comes online, there will be no point in refueling James Webb. A better version will be launched for a quarter the price. Quarter of the price for the launch or the whole program? Both. If Starship drops launch costs as significantly as projected, the reduction of weight and volume penalties will allow people to construct simpler satellites made from cheaper materials and with larger fuel tanks. Starship might reduce the cost of getting shit to space, but when talking about a direct replacement for Webb as a premier NASA project, we are talking about LUVOIR and HabEx which will probably launch around 2040. The vast majority of the cost will be in building the telescopes. The LUVOIR A design (15m primary mirror vs the 6.5 of Webb) has already been planned to fold into an 8 meter wide payload fairing. Both projects (or some combination) are already proposed to launch on either a Starship or a SLS with project costs that mirror Webb. So twice the size for the same project cost. Sounds like the volume advantage is already paying off. By 2040, things like that could probably be assembled in orbit. I wouldn't be surprised if those telescopes are obsolete and cancelled before then. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 2:37:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2022 2:56:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2022 3:07:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
HOLY SHIT YES  I can’t believe they actually pulled it off this smoothly, I thought for sure there’d be at least some question about whether something was working correctly or not. This is fucking incredible |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 3:11:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Lock it down! Put this thread in cyrostasis. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 3:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Hell Yeh!!! It actually worked??? For all of the jokes over the years, they actually pulled this off! NASA knows how to do science, they just need to leave rockets to private space and stick to what they are best at!!! |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 3:47:38 PM EDT
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 It really is a magnificent looking instrument when it’s all set up
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Posted: 1/8/2022 4:02:07 PM EDT
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LIVE discussion now (NASA)
 News Update on James Webb Space Telescope's Full Deployment |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 4:05:48 PM EDT
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someone asked about fuel... and due to the success of the insertion accuracy, there is potentially 20 years of fuel onboard.
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Posted: 1/8/2022 4:06:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2022 4:13:12 PM EDT
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There are too many white faces in this q&a.
But luckily, this latest commenter wanted to know about COVID precautions. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 4:21:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RVAguy: There are too many white faces in this q&a. But luckily, this latest commenter wanted to know about COVID precautions. IKR some of the greatest science/engineering on the planet and some karen is worried about the chinese virus. don't be like that karen. 
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Posted: 1/8/2022 4:25:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2022 4:40:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Enzo300: How long before Elon puts user rentable and controllable scopes in orbit? I bet a Meade LX200 would really rock from orbit. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/461570/coin-operated-binoculars-16026275_jpg-2232844.JPG @Enzo300 That's already in progress. The Starlink constellation have cameras on them both looking out and looking down. Once the pattern is dense enough, that many cameras can be tiled together to give higher magnification for about a 50,000 foot view of anywhere on Earth - Basically Google Earth "Live" like in Snow Crash. That's not quite available yet as the pattern isn't dense enough but it will be if the launch rate of the satellite strings continues. |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 5:35:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: @Enzo300 That's already in progress. The Starlink constellation have cameras on them both looking out and looking down. Once the pattern is dense enough, that many cameras can be tiled together to give higher magnification for about a 50,000 foot view of anywhere on Earth - Basically Google Earth "Live" like in Snow Crash. That's not quite available yet as the pattern isn't dense enough but it will be if the launch rate of the satellite strings continues. NEAT! Thanks brass |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 6:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RVAguy: There are too many white faces in this q&a. But luckily, this latest commenter wanted to know about COVID precautions. Really? Laughing out loud. I am not one of the ARF guys that think Covid = just the Flu. I'm pro-vaccine as well. But that doesn't seem like a valid question within these parameters. 
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Posted: 1/9/2022 7:04:07 PM EDT
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75% of the way there by distance, 50% by time. Another two weeks until it makes it to L2
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Posted: 1/9/2022 7:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Let's see how long that last bit can go on for when the economy implodes into a nightmare of Stagflation. Followed by a cavalcade of Neo-feudalist 5 year plans. The fabled stagflapocalypse that has been foretold for the past twenty years? Anyway, be happy to see some of the first imagery from this. Have there been any indications on what the first target might be? Hopefully something with a terrestrial planet. |
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Posted: 1/9/2022 7:24:48 PM EDT
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fantastic news from NASA. really looking forward to any and all discoveries from JWST in 6 months or so. btw with this successful deployment, the next project named luvoir should get the green light.
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Posted: 1/10/2022 4:15:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2022 4:32:14 PM EDT
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Absolutely incredible what they can do to focus the individual mirror segments. Here’s a good sense of scale for how large each individual piece is:
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