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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia will definitely surrender any day now because of this incident. Any. Day. Now. Day 668 of Russia's 3-day "special military operation." |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:41:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently yes, since your here posting in it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did this really need its own thread a few days after it happened and discussed (even by you) in all the Ukraine threads??? Apparently yes, since your here posting in it. GD has active threads on sticking things up your butt….and you wonder if a thread about multiple “advanced” Russian fighters getting shot down is worthy to stand on its own in GD? |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 5:42:56 PM EDT
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I wonder how our f35s would fair vs the Patriot system. Would it be able to shoot them down, or would the stealth tech save them?
Patriot seems almost unbeatable at this point. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:00:47 PM EDT
[#4]
Russia may have lost 2 more planes today.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:02:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia may have lost 2 more planes today. Russian sources say another SU34 was killed today with its entire crew by that same Patriot battery most likely. Thats 4x SU34 Fighter Bombers in 36hrs? |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:11:55 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russian sources say another SU34 was killed today with its entire crew by that same Patriot battery most likely. Thats 4x SU34 Fighter Bombers in 36hrs? |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:12:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:13:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meanwhile, Ukraine now has 3 fewer anti aircraft missiles, possibly some of their most valuable missiles. I think we can all agree to chalk this one up as a net win for Russia. I'm confused. Anti-aircaft missiles shouldn't be used against strike aircraft now? I guess they considered it a good trade if it pushes their operating envelop back. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:17:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember this was an ambush. They knew where the planes would be and probably turned on the radar, locked, and fired within a couple seconds, while the planes were in their most vulnerable envelope of flight. What system it was matters a lot less than the tactics here. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:19:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did this really need its own thread a few days after it happened and discussed (even by you) in all the Ukraine threads??? |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:25:54 PM EDT
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 QUACK |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:28:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do we know it was a Patriot and not one of the other systems in use? There's the S300, Hawk and maybe others. The Ukrainian MOD released a statement a few weeks back claiming that they had shot down the RUAF assets in may with a patriot missile system. I don't think the Hawk or S300 is capable of using Link16 and accepting outside data from external sources like the patriot can which is why this was an ambush. They would have known if the Radars were functioning there and avoided it. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:29:45 PM EDT
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No wreckage pics, no believe.
Ukr is paliwood level propaganda. Ghosts… |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:34:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully it gives some Ukrainians a break over the holidays.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This happens frequently when things start really going bad for the Ukrainians. Yeah, such as when 3 front line bombers are lost in one day. That's a good day for the good guys and a bad day for the bad guys. 
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:46:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm confused. Anti-aircaft missiles shouldn't be used against strike aircraft now? I guess they considered it a good trade if it pushes their operating envelop back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meanwhile, Ukraine now has 3 fewer anti aircraft missiles, possibly some of their most valuable missiles. I think we can all agree to chalk this one up as a net win for Russia. I'm confused. Anti-aircaft missiles shouldn't be used against strike aircraft now? I guess they considered it a good trade if it pushes their operating envelop back. I can never tell sarcasm and shitposting from real copium anymore. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:51:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You just need a bigger garage for the Suhkoi. They are massive planes. I need to double the square footage, possibly triple, and double the height atleast. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:51:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now try America's... Watching one of our primary adversaries burn themselves out frees up a lot of focus for defending Taiwan.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:53:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ex-Netherlands F-16s are inbound in a week or two... it's about to get a lot worse for Russian pilots and SAM battery operators. Those will get shot out of the sky, especially with new viper drivers |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 6:54:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those will get shot out of the sky, especially with new viper drivers Given that the majority of the Ukrainian air force is still flying and Russia hasn't proven able to do that..no. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:00:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those will get shot out of the sky, especially with new viper drivers Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ex-Netherlands F-16s are inbound in a week or two... it's about to get a lot worse for Russian pilots and SAM battery operators. Those will get shot out of the sky, especially with new viper drivers Where you russian sock puppets get this shit?!? |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:03:53 PM EDT
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Who gives a shit really.
Nobody is winning, no end in sight and Z said he needs another 500k troops. You can post all Ukranian victories and Russia is still absorbing all the free world's munitions, save one. Nukes and quite honestly the only way Ukraine will win is by nukes. So Ukraine either needs nukes or set up some false flag to get NATO involved. Frankly, I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet. It's really embarrassing that the billions upon billions the entire free world has supplied to Ukraine has basically amounted to a stalemated trench warfare. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:06:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Given that the majority of the Ukrainian air force is still flying and Russia hasn't proven able to do that..no. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Those will get shot out of the sky, especially with new viper drivers Given that the majority of the Ukrainian air force is still flying and Russia hasn't proven able to do that..no. This is the first tranche I believe. Main bottle neck seems to be training up a suficient support cadre. I'm fully aware that Russia wil likeley be able to shoot down a F-16 in this conflict. Russia wil pull out all the stops and sacrifce the meat cube generation and industrial output to get their set piece propaganda moment. GD will start a multitude of threads skoffing how Ukraine has lost so I'm calling that one here. Set peice shit does not a battle make however and i hope they are able to use them to good effect. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:11:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who gives a shit really. I do. Fuck russian aggression and fuck Putin and anyone that supports them. Im glad our old inventory is being put to its inteded use and that my tax $ are helping replenish our stockpiles with better versions and employing Americans. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:11:19 PM EDT
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Whether you agree or disagree, you got to admire the sheer tenacity of fadedsun, lol.
If a Russian so much as stubs their toe he's gonna let ya know about it : "UKRAINE LITERALLY CRIPPLING RUSSIAN MOBILITY!!!" 
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:12:19 PM EDT
[#26]
Good. Ukraine is definitely gonna have to be real crafty to keep an advantage
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:12:30 PM EDT
[#27]
So just two more weeks now?
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:13:30 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No wreckage pics, no believe. Ukr is paliwood level propaganda. Ghosts… Why don’t you scroll your pro-Russkie boy telegrams giving condolences to the pilots families…. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:13:53 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whether you agree or disagree, you got to admire the sheer tenacity of fadedsun, lol. If a Russian so much as stubs their toe he's gonna let ya know about it : "UKRAINE LITERALLY CRIPPLING RUSSIAN MOBILITY!!!" So says the guy downplaying the [apparent] loss of three more Fullbacks. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:15:52 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember this was an ambush. They knew where the planes would be and probably turned on the radar, locked, and fired within a couple seconds, while the planes were in their most vulnerable envelope of flight. What system it was matters a lot less than the tactics here. Yeah, this. In DCS the patriots will shoot from 40 miles away and they are easily defended by anything fast and maneuverable like the SU34. But keep the radars off until they are right overhead and there's almost nothing they could do to avoid getting killed. This isn't the first time Russia has lost SU34s. They are loosing them to SHORADs and MANPADs because they are using them to deploy unguided munitions at low altitudes. Imagine loosing $40M jets because you're trying to go cheap on the weapons they carry. LOL russia. Never change. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:20:34 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So says the guy downplaying the [apparent] loss of three more Fullbacks. How am I downplaying anything? I didn't even comment on the plane thing...sheesh, lighten up man, it's Christmas, i'm really not big on wishing anybody at all to die today for any reason, it's time to celebrate the life of a great man, at least for a couple days. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:21:49 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I do. Fuck russian aggression and fuck Putin and anyone that supports them. Im glad our old inventory is being put to its inteded use and that my tax $ are helping replenish our stockpiles with better versions and employing Americans. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who gives a shit really. I do. Fuck russian aggression and fuck Putin and anyone that supports them. Im glad our old inventory is being put to its inteded use and that my tax $ are helping replenish our stockpiles with better versions and employing Americans. I say fuck them all. It's a European problem that needs a European solution. Russia will not attack any NATO member country and if they did I'd be all in on wiping them off the face of the earth. This proxy warfare makes us look weak and ineffective. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:22:21 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who gives a shit really. Nobody is winning, no end in sight and Z said he needs another 500k troops. You can post all Ukranian victories and Russia is still absorbing all the free world's munitions, save one. Nukes and quite honestly the only way Ukraine will win is by nukes. So Ukraine either needs nukes or set up some false flag to get NATO involved. Frankly, I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet. It's really embarrassing that the billions upon billions the entire free world has supplied to Ukraine has basically amounted to a stalemated trench warfare. Must suck Kyiv wasn’t taken in those 3 days….. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There you go flipping the narrative The shootdown really happened and is current. When rooshia stronk gets the beatdown the propagandists show up with old or fake ass info, to show how stronk F russia is! Sooo? Is that all you got today? LOL! CRY SOME MORE COMRADE!  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:28:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How am I downplaying anything? I didn't even comment on the plane thing...sheesh, lighten up man, it's Christmas, i'm really not big on wishing anybody at all to die today for any reason, it's time to celebrate the life of a great man, at least for a couple days. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So says the guy downplaying the [apparent] loss of three more Fullbacks. How am I downplaying anything? I didn't even comment on the plane thing...sheesh, lighten up man, it's Christmas, i'm really not big on wishing anybody at all to die today for any reason, it's time to celebrate the life of a great man, at least for a couple days. So you didn't just equate this post to reporting about a stubbed toe? Got it. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:29:46 PM EDT
[#36]
A bit of salt from the usual suspects. Fun.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:31:12 PM EDT
[#37]
Jesus, still some true believers left. Lmao.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:31:27 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No wreckage pics, no believe. Ukr is paliwood level propaganda. Ghosts… Russians already posted confirmation and wished an eternal flight to the lost crews. They themselves posted pics of a parachute on the ground and a bloody oxygen mask and said one pilot survived. The information comes from the Russian side. Ukraine just claimed the shoot down |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:31:35 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russian sources say another SU34 was killed today with its entire crew by that same Patriot battery most likely. Thats 4x SU34 Fighter Bombers in 36hrs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia may have lost 2 more planes today. Russian sources say another SU34 was killed today with its entire crew by that same Patriot battery most likely. Thats 4x SU34 Fighter Bombers in 36hrs? If so, that's one more Ukrainian surface to air missile successfully intercepted by an advanced Russian aircraft. And here you guys keep trying to spin this a some sort of Ukrainian achievement? Unreal. Those Russian pilots kept those missiles from impacting Russian soil. Heroes of The Soviet Reunion. All of them. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:32:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:34:25 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If so, that's one more Ukrainian surface to air missile successfully intercepted by an advanced Russian aircraft. And here you guys keep trying to spin this a some sort of Ukrainian achievement? Unreal. Those Russian pilots kept those missiles from impacting Russian soil. Heroes of The Soviet Reunion. All of them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russia may have lost 2 more planes today. Russian sources say another SU34 was killed today with its entire crew by that same Patriot battery most likely. Thats 4x SU34 Fighter Bombers in 36hrs? If so, that's one more Ukrainian surface to air missile successfully intercepted by an advanced Russian aircraft. And here you guys keep trying to spin this a some sort of Ukrainian achievement? Unreal. Those Russian pilots kept those missiles from impacting Russian soil. Heroes of The Soviet Reunion. All of them. I think this time you might have been over the top enough to not catch a bite. We'll see. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:39:44 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Must suck Kyiv wasn’t taken in those 3 days….. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who gives a shit really. Nobody is winning, no end in sight and Z said he needs another 500k troops. You can post all Ukranian victories and Russia is still absorbing all the free world's munitions, save one. Nukes and quite honestly the only way Ukraine will win is by nukes. So Ukraine either needs nukes or set up some false flag to get NATO involved. Frankly, I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet. It's really embarrassing that the billions upon billions the entire free world has supplied to Ukraine has basically amounted to a stalemated trench warfare. Must suck Kyiv wasn’t taken in those 3 days….. It must suck that Russia is absorbing all the munitions of the free world and Ukraine is so incompetent and ineffective that they can't win this. Putin doesn't give a fuck about his country or people. He cares about the legacy and the end game which is long. Unless Z can get NATO involved Ukraine ain't winning this. No matter who wins, this will result in civil war and on and on. The only people winning are the weapon manufacturers. Let Europe fix this. We need focus on American problems and American solutions. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:43:54 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russian sources say another SU34 was killed today with its entire crew by that same Patriot battery most likely. Thats 4x SU34 Fighter Bombers in 36hrs? Thats what the Commies get for attacking at Christmas. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:46:09 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It must suck that Russia is absorbing all the munitions of the free world and Ukraine is so incompetent and ineffective that they can't win this. Putin doesn't give a fuck about his country or people. He cares about the legacy and the end game which is long. Unless Z can get NATO involved Ukraine ain't winning this. No matter who wins, this will result in civil war and on and on. The only people winning are the weapon manufacturers. Let Europe fix this. We need focus on American problems and American solutions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who gives a shit really. Nobody is winning, no end in sight and Z said he needs another 500k troops. You can post all Ukranian victories and Russia is still absorbing all the free world's munitions, save one. Nukes and quite honestly the only way Ukraine will win is by nukes. So Ukraine either needs nukes or set up some false flag to get NATO involved. Frankly, I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet. It's really embarrassing that the billions upon billions the entire free world has supplied to Ukraine has basically amounted to a stalemated trench warfare. Must suck Kyiv wasn’t taken in those 3 days….. It must suck that Russia is absorbing all the munitions of the free world and Ukraine is so incompetent and ineffective that they can't win this. Putin doesn't give a fuck about his country or people. He cares about the legacy and the end game which is long. Unless Z can get NATO involved Ukraine ain't winning this. No matter who wins, this will result in civil war and on and on. The only people winning are the weapon manufacturers. Let Europe fix this. We need focus on American problems and American solutions. Every day Kyiv stays under Ukrainian control is a win. Funny how people insist that a stalemate is somehow a "loss" for Ukraine, whose initial war goals were simply to survive as a sovereign state, and yet a "win" for Russia, who expected to roll in and force Ukraine to become a tiny rump state run out of Lviv, at best. Please lay out the case for how abandoning yet another country to an aggressive enemy helps the United States as a country. People keep stating it here so, well, matter-of-factly. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:47:18 PM EDT
[#45]
[actual footage of Russian mission planners]
 BARRY clip "King of Suck Balls Mountain" scene w/ Troy Caylak as Akhmal |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:52:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Keep those wily missiles flying! If the Russians want to play, make them pay.
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Posted: 12/24/2023 7:53:33 PM EDT
[#47]
Yes they have nukes, but I wouldn’t call the Russian mil near peer anymore.
Be curious to see what China really can do, but they haven’t done jack in decades, and it’s a steep learning curve regardless of tech. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 8:03:57 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whether you agree or disagree, you got to admire the sheer tenacity of fadedsun, lol. If a Russian so much as stubs their toe he's gonna let ya know about it : "UKRAINE LITERALLY CRIPPLING RUSSIAN MOBILITY!!!" He definitely lives it very vividly. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 8:11:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every day Kyiv stays under Ukrainian control is a win. Funny how people insist that a stalemate is somehow a "loss" for Ukraine, whose initial war goals were simply to survive as a sovereign state, and yet a "win" for Russia, who expected to roll in and force Ukraine to become a tiny rump state run out of Lviv, at best. Please lay out the case for how abandoning yet another country to an aggressive enemy helps the United States as a country. People keep stating it here so, well, matter-of-factly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who gives a shit really. Nobody is winning, no end in sight and Z said he needs another 500k troops. You can post all Ukranian victories and Russia is still absorbing all the free world's munitions, save one. Nukes and quite honestly the only way Ukraine will win is by nukes. So Ukraine either needs nukes or set up some false flag to get NATO involved. Frankly, I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet. It's really embarrassing that the billions upon billions the entire free world has supplied to Ukraine has basically amounted to a stalemated trench warfare. Must suck Kyiv wasn’t taken in those 3 days….. It must suck that Russia is absorbing all the munitions of the free world and Ukraine is so incompetent and ineffective that they can't win this. Putin doesn't give a fuck about his country or people. He cares about the legacy and the end game which is long. Unless Z can get NATO involved Ukraine ain't winning this. No matter who wins, this will result in civil war and on and on. The only people winning are the weapon manufacturers. Let Europe fix this. We need focus on American problems and American solutions. Every day Kyiv stays under Ukrainian control is a win. Funny how people insist that a stalemate is somehow a "loss" for Ukraine, whose initial war goals were simply to survive as a sovereign state, and yet a "win" for Russia, who expected to roll in and force Ukraine to become a tiny rump state run out of Lviv, at best. Please lay out the case for how abandoning yet another country to an aggressive enemy helps the United States as a country. People keep stating it here so, well, matter-of-factly. It's pretty clear we've given Ukraine generous support, more than any other country. It's an investment, right? We expect a return, right? I see an ineffective fighting force, with ineffective tactics. Instead of me trying to layout a case of abandoning Ukraine, I'd rather you tell me why Ukraine is worth it? I have to wonder what Poland and our well established NATO partners would do with the billions Ukraine has incompetently pissed away. It's a European problem that will result in a European Civil War and none of the parties involved pose no threat to us, unless nukes are involved. Arguments that say we are destroying Russian weaponry makes it all worth it, isn't a battle plan. It's just ridiculous on all measures. |
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Posted: 12/24/2023 8:12:27 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted: SU34s are such elegant and graceful birds. Sad they had to meet their end this way. |
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