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Posted: 8/19/2021 8:08:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: I feel old. He picked up a Dickenson pump 12 Guage. It looks like a decent gun for the money. He will feel safer out solo hiking than walking about with just a 9mm. Very nice! I hike in the state forest around my home. I like to carry my lever action when I do. It just feels nice, to exercise a right and walk softly while carrying a big stick. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 8:13:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Define "long hike". I'm guessing you mean parking your car next to the visitors center and coming back 2 hours later. That's a "nature walk". Not even close. Why would you waste 20 hours of daylight doing that? |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 8:13:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol?  Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He picked up a Dickenson pump 12 Guage. It looks like a decent gun for the money. He will feel safer out solo hiking than walking about with just a 9mm. Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. Just about every outdoorsman |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 8:14:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. your showing your ignorance only an idiot would use a 9mm to go against an Kodiak brown bear the wimpy 9mm that would just bounce off OP congrats to your son!! |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 8:14:49 PM EDT
[#5]
3 oz hard-cast slug = fuck you
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Posted: 8/19/2021 8:17:18 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You would be an absolute idiot to carry a full size shotgun on a long distance hike. I guess OP meant to say "nature walk". Found a soy boy. 
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Posted: 8/19/2021 8:20:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some one that doesn't want to end up mixed with berries and smelling like peppers. What 12ga round for bears? Buck or slugs? We don't have grizzly in TX, so I have no idea. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 8:33:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He picked up a Dickenson pump 12 Guage. It looks like a decent gun for the money. He will feel safer out solo hiking than walking about with just a 9mm. Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. You don't have enough money to get me to use those fucking mag extensions when function actually matters. They have a bad habit of cracking where they slide onto the mag, and puking your ammo all over the ground. Then you get turned into bear shit. A shotgun is also easier to shoot well than a handgun, and slugs will put holes in a bear that you can stick 3 fingers into. 9mm against a bear? Call me when you can hit a target the size of a man's hand from across the backyard, when it's moving towards you at 30mph, bobbing up and down all the way. Because that's about how big the "instant off, caliber doesn't matter much" are is on a bear. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 8:35:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 oz hard-cast slug = fuck you 3 ounce? Fuck your shoulder too. 3 ounce loads are brutal enough! |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 9:00:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We really need a like button around here. What 12ga round for bears? Buck or slugs? We don't have grizzly in TX, so I have no idea. Slugs. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 9:18:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He picked up a Dickenson pump 12 Guage. It looks like a decent gun for the money. He will feel safer out solo hiking than walking about with just a 9mm. Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. Well gosh, then why not a .22? https://www.thehuntingnews.com/the-world-record-grizzly-bear-used-to-belong-to-little-old-lady-who-killed-it-with-a-22/ Sorry, if I have to choose between a 9mm or a 12g with slugs in bear country, I'm going for the latter. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 9:24:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure. He must not hike very far. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He picked up a Dickenson pump 12 Guage. It looks like a decent gun for the money. He will feel safer out solo hiking than walking about with just a 9mm. Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. He can carry both? Sure. He must not hike very far. Maybe he’s not a fucking pussy that thinks 8lbs is too much to carry all day. But I guess you do. Troll. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 9:31:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 ounce? Fuck your shoulder too. 3 ounce loads are brutal enough! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 3 oz hard-cast slug = fuck you 3 ounce? Fuck your shoulder too. 3 ounce loads are brutal enough! I don't think I've ever seen one that heavy. We sold a ton of Brenneke Black Magic slugs. They seemed to have a good reputation and were purpose built for penetration over expansion unlike many hunting slugs. They have quite the recoil to them. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 9:34:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Admiralty island as a 14 year old deer hunting had me on my toes. One of our Fire Captains got mauled on Admiralty. Story was a couple of our guys grabbed guns and chartered a helicopter and went and got him. Everyone that hunted that island had stories of the bears seeking them out after shooting deer. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 9:35:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think I've ever seen one that heavy. We sold a ton of Brenneke Black Magic slugs. They seemed to have a good reputation and were purpose built for penetration over expansion unlike many hunting slugs. They have quite the recoil to them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 oz hard-cast slug = fuck you 3 ounce? Fuck your shoulder too. 3 ounce loads are brutal enough! I don't think I've ever seen one that heavy. We sold a ton of Brenneke Black Magic slugs. They seemed to have a good reputation and were purpose built for penetration over expansion unlike many hunting slugs. They have quite the recoil to them. Did he mean 3" perhaps? |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 9:42:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: I feel old. He picked up a Dickenson pump 12 Guage. It looks like a decent gun for the money. He will feel safer out solo hiking than walking about with just a 9mm. Sounds like a great buy! |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 9:49:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would be an absolute idiot to pick a 9mm over a 12 gauge slug in bear country |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 10:05:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well gosh, then why not a .22? https://www.thehuntingnews.com/the-world-record-grizzly-bear-used-to-belong-to-little-old-lady-who-killed-it-with-a-22/ Sorry, if I have to choose between a 9mm or a 12g with slugs in bear country, I'm going for the latter. I won't lie my usual hiking gun is a .22lr. Than again I only hike with people I don't like. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 10:24:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most pump shotguns weigh around 7lbs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You would be an absolute idiot to pick a 9mm over a 12 gauge slug in bear country You would be an absolute idiot to carry a full size shotgun on a long distance hike. I guess OP meant to say "nature walk". Most pump shotguns weigh around 7lbs. Yeah, God forbid a World War be fought and won carrying a 9.5lb weapon across the globe... it's just not possible |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 10:42:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most pump shotguns weigh around 7lbs. Why wouldn't a healthy young man be able to carry a 7lb. weapon on a long hike? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You would be an absolute idiot to pick a 9mm over a 12 gauge slug in bear country You would be an absolute idiot to carry a full size shotgun on a long distance hike. I guess OP meant to say "nature walk". Most pump shotguns weigh around 7lbs. Why wouldn't a healthy young man be able to carry a 7lb. weapon on a long hike? Hell, I duck hunt in the glades holding a 12 gauge, in the water, for 5-6 hours at a time all duck season. You're standing in the water entire time holding the gun. There's no cushy duck blind to smoke cigars and drink beer. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:14:11 PM EDT
[#21]
Are you going to give him a few boxes of Brenneke Black Magic slugs or did fish and game snatch them up already?
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:20:00 PM EDT
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OP I think they have a somewhat decent reputation even though they are a budget shotgun. My uncle got one and uses it around his place on the regular basis.
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:24:17 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think I've ever seen one that heavy. We sold a ton of Brenneke Black Magic slugs. They seemed to have a good reputation and were purpose built for penetration over expansion unlike many hunting slugs. They have quite the recoil to them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 oz hard-cast slug = fuck you 3 ounce? Fuck your shoulder too. 3 ounce loads are brutal enough! I don't think I've ever seen one that heavy. We sold a ton of Brenneke Black Magic slugs. They seemed to have a good reputation and were purpose built for penetration over expansion unlike many hunting slugs. They have quite the recoil to them. The worst kicking-and most accurate-slugs I ever shot were the discontinued Remington Buckhammers. As bad as they hurt to shoot, I was shocked at how small the group was. ETA-Brennekes seem to be the most highly regarded slug available. There's likely a good reason for that. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:31:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would be an absolute idiot to carry a full size shotgun on a long distance hike. I guess OP meant to say "nature walk". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You would be an absolute idiot to pick a 9mm over a 12 gauge slug in bear country You would be an absolute idiot to carry a full size shotgun on a long distance hike. I guess OP meant to say "nature walk". If I was hiking with large bears I'd carry a large gun and hike a little slower. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:32:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:38:49 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure. He must not hike very far. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He picked up a Dickenson pump 12 Guage. It looks like a decent gun for the money. He will feel safer out solo hiking than walking about with just a 9mm. Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. He can carry both? Sure. He must not hike very far. You're obviously not a big game hunter. Or maybe you are and you shoot your elk or whatnot with a G17 100 yards from husband's Subaru Legacy. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:43:10 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The worst kicking-and most accurate-slugs I ever shot were the discontinued Remington Buckhammers. As bad as they hurt to shoot, I was shocked at how small the group was. ETA-Brennekes seem to be the most highly regarded slug available. There's likely a good reason for that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 oz hard-cast slug = fuck you 3 ounce? Fuck your shoulder too. 3 ounce loads are brutal enough! I don't think I've ever seen one that heavy. We sold a ton of Brenneke Black Magic slugs. They seemed to have a good reputation and were purpose built for penetration over expansion unlike many hunting slugs. They have quite the recoil to them. The worst kicking-and most accurate-slugs I ever shot were the discontinued Remington Buckhammers. As bad as they hurt to shoot, I was shocked at how small the group was. ETA-Brennekes seem to be the most highly regarded slug available. There's likely a good reason for that. I remember the Buckhammers but don't remember seeing any penetration tests. Lots of the Deer specific slugs aren't hard enough and expand too much |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:48:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your avatar says it all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. Yeah, my expectations for 20 and 21'ers is pretty fucking low, but damn. |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:49:04 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He picked up a Dickenson pump 12 Guage. It looks like a decent gun for the money. He will feel safer out solo hiking than walking about with just a 9mm. Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g.  |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:53:58 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Define "long hike". I'm guessing you mean parking your car next to the visitors center and coming back 2 hours later. That's a "nature walk". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You would be an absolute idiot to pick a 9mm over a 12 gauge slug in bear country You would be an absolute idiot to carry a full size shotgun on a long distance hike. I guess OP meant to say "nature walk". Most pump shotguns weigh around 7lbs. Why wouldn’t a healthy young man be able to carry a 7lb. weapon on a long hike? Define "long hike". I'm guessing you mean parking your car next to the visitors center and coming back 2 hours later. That's a "nature walk". Keep digging that hole. LOL!! |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:56:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like a 30 click patrol with an M60 and 60lb ruck through the mountains around Bad Tolz FRG. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You would be an absolute idiot to pick a 9mm over a 12 gauge slug in bear country You would be an absolute idiot to carry a full size shotgun on a long distance hike. I guess OP meant to say "nature walk". Most pump shotguns weigh around 7lbs. Why wouldn’t a healthy young man be able to carry a 7lb. weapon on a long hike? Define "long hike". I'm guessing you mean parking your car next to the visitors center and coming back 2 hours later. That's a "nature walk". Like a 30 click patrol with an M60 and 60lb ruck through the mountains around Bad Tolz FRG. Or fucking Wild Chicken! I both hated and loved going there!
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:59:08 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 11:59:18 PM EDT
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LMAO FPDNNI. Must not be a hunter. I've spent days on end doing nothing but walking through waist high grass carrying a 12 gauge, or up, down and around mountains carrying a long action rifle, scope, day pack, binoculars, several bottles of water, etc. It's not impossible. Unless you're a 21'er and can't be bothered to wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and leave mom's basement.
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Posted: 8/20/2021 12:36:45 AM EDT
[#34]
Congrats on getting old OP!
What do you think about afixing a flashlight to it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Kodiak much? No other place had me as creeped out at night. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He picked up a Dickenson pump 12 Guage. It looks like a decent gun for the money. He will feel safer out solo hiking than walking about with just a 9mm. Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. No other place had me as creeped out at night. Any interesting stories to tell? @wwace |
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Posted: 8/20/2021 12:43:38 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of our Fire Captains got mauled on Admiralty. Story was a couple of our guys grabbed guns and chartered a helicopter and went and got him. Everyone that hunted that island had stories of the bears seeking them out after shooting deer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Admiralty island as a 14 year old deer hunting had me on my toes. One of our Fire Captains got mauled on Admiralty. Story was a couple of our guys grabbed guns and chartered a helicopter and went and got him. Everyone that hunted that island had stories of the bears seeking them out after shooting deer. All these guys wanting to hunt re-introduced mammoths and Tyrannosaurs should probably read this. 1000+- pound bears will graphically end a person; do they really think they can take one of the above? (I still want a BHA .500  )
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Posted: 8/20/2021 12:55:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably someone who hikes around large bears? You must have missed that article that's been posted here several times in the last few years that showed more bears were killed with .22's in self defense than any other caliber. |
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Posted: 8/20/2021 12:59:35 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 12 gauge is best gauge. Turkish? Never heard of Dick and son. Laughs in 10ga |
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Posted: 8/20/2021 1:03:35 AM EDT
[#38]
Beretta Jetfire in .25ACP is all he needs.
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Posted: 8/20/2021 1:19:07 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Define "long hike". I'm guessing you mean parking your car next to the visitors center and coming back 2 hours later. That's a "nature walk". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You would be an absolute idiot to pick a 9mm over a 12 gauge slug in bear country You would be an absolute idiot to carry a full size shotgun on a long distance hike. I guess OP meant to say "nature walk". Most pump shotguns weigh around 7lbs. Why wouldn’t a healthy young man be able to carry a 7lb. weapon on a long hike? Define "long hike". I'm guessing you mean parking your car next to the visitors center and coming back 2 hours later. That's a "nature walk". Let it go. |
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Posted: 8/20/2021 3:20:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2021 3:00:31 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Congrats on getting old OP! What do you think about afixing a flashlight to it? Any interesting stories to tell? @wwace Quote HistoryQuoted: Congrats on getting old OP! What do you think about afixing a flashlight to it? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He picked up a Dickenson pump 12 Guage. It looks like a decent gun for the money. He will feel safer out solo hiking than walking about with just a 9mm. Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. No other place had me as creeped out at night. Any interesting stories to tell? @wwace Kodiak at night, drizzling and you can't see 6 inches has a way of saying that you are no longer at the top of the food chain. @brachiosaur no good Kodiak stories as the half dozen times I've been to the Rock were all for work. Unless you want to here about all the drinking and girls. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 3:05:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2021 5:10:43 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. Yes 9mm know the world over as a bear stopper |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 5:21:57 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: herp Quote HistoryQuoted: herp Quoted: derp Quoted: warrrblegarrrble Hahaha, you're so ignorant and pretentious. What a big dummy. Go away for a bit and retread again sometime. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 5:34:00 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g.
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Posted: 8/23/2021 5:39:44 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g.
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Posted: 8/23/2021 5:56:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some one that doesn't want to end up mixed with berries and smelling like peppers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Some one that doesn't want to end up mixed with berries and smelling like peppers. This. Ever live on Brown Bear country, Sonny Boy? |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 5:59:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some one that doesn't want to end up mixed with berries and smelling like peppers. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/capReference-550.jpg So did I. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 6:19:54 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some one that doesn't want to end up mixed with berries and smelling like peppers. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 7:59:27 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who would choose a pump 12g for hiking over a semi auto 9mm pistol? Even in Alaska, I'll take a Glock 17 with a +5 extension for 23 rounds of 9mm over a pump shotgun with 5 rds of 12g. Every single hunting and fishing guide in AK would disagree with you. |
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