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Posted: 7/11/2019 8:54:36 PM EDT
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Spokesman Chris Sampson told us their wholesale price is $3,200 dollars per vial.
He said most treatments start with patients receiving four vials. UNC Rex in Raleigh, where Kochuk was treated, told us their patient charge is $12,869 per vial. So how did his cost grow to almost $77,000? Spokesman Alan Wolf explained that even though Kochuk's bill says two vials-- the cost was actually for two treatments that required six vials of medicine. As for the $9,669 increase from wholesale to retail, a UNC Healthcare spokesman told us prices include, "the complex process required to store, prepare and administer ... the product." $9,669 sounds like a good price for all that. 
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Posted: 7/11/2019 8:55:40 PM EDT
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IBDrs proclaim how much they're worth.  |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:14:59 PM EDT
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Who even goes to the hospital for a Copperhead bite? Unless he was just little bitty or frail it’s not even worth going. Suck up the pain for the night and be done with it. but......... YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE of the subject you speak. As for just ONE example of thousands...... I was bitten on the middle knuckle by a copper head. The bite put me in the hospital for 7 days of the most miserable moments of my life. Thankfully they saved my hand and forearm arm up as it was swollen to the point of having to split the tissue. I was a healthy young buck in top shape at the time. I doubt I would survive it today. I also grew up peaking in the open windows of country churches who practiced the handling of snakes. Witnessed a ‘preacher’ who claimed to have been bitten many times when he was bitten by a full size copper head. He refused going to the hospital and died at home a few days later. Time to crawl away to my world of privacy and stop being triggered by the ignorance and generalizations of many of my fellow gun nuts. |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 11:17:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: in theory, if you were hit in miami, you might stand a chance. miami serpentarium houses an extensive venomous snake collection, and they & the local hospital stock serum to treat bites from all snakes in the collection. (that have anti-venom serums available) i wouldn't want to be the guy to test it though. i imported about a dozen black mambas over the years, while in tampa. all went to the bill haast, for his venom collecting venture. they were the only snakes i put into the fridge for 30 minutes, and then unbagged out in the parking lot (so i had room to run) in case things went south. that was the only snake i ever "feared". even a fierce snake is a walk in the park, compared to a black mamba.  |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 12:03:09 AM EDT
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Really curious as to what a Black Mamba bite would cost a fellow. Or can you even survive those? |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 12:23:43 AM EDT
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Health care does NOT need fixing. That’s anti-American faggot talk.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I had to take my wife to the ER for about three hours, she got IV fluids and painkillers, and a CT scan. It was $14,000. We are on a payment plan, it was before my insurance had kicked in. It's easy to see how people vote for whatever political party says they are going to fix healthcare, because it definitely needs fixing. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 1:07:29 AM EDT
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Get .gov out of healthcare.
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Posted: 7/12/2019 1:17:08 AM EDT
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It's all pure billing fraud.
They just make up whatever bullshit charges that they think they can steal from people. Just don't pay. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 1:19:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2019 1:20:36 AM EDT
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Get .gov out of healthcare. They numb natural consumer behavior. What makes ours so bad is the healthcare suppliers and service providers are capitalist, while the consumers behave like socialist. This is not how the free-market works. It's heavily contributed to incredible rise in healthcare cost over the last half century. Cost that have dramatically outpaced inflation. Very similar to rise in education costs. Both have consumers that have easy access to services without feeling the full bite of cost, and government distorts both sectors. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 1:43:55 AM EDT
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I bet he would have agreed to pay 300K in the moment
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Posted: 7/12/2019 6:51:52 AM EDT
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It would be 1/50th of the cost if EMTALA and Medicaid didn’t exist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What should it cost? Do y'all walk up to Ferarri dealerships and talk about Honda civic prices? Mexican healthcare is utter garbage... If Uncle Sugar didn’t give low cost loans the price would drop considerably |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 7:15:24 AM EDT
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A friend is a contract employee for IT work; he was given a ladder by and at a NJ job that collapsed. He broke 3 ribs. Ambulance to hospital was $7,000. Hospital was $21k.
No insurance? Ok, we'll give you a $5,000 discount! Ain't we nice? Obama fucked up what was already bad, now it's as evil as liberal lawyers can make it. And before the " sue 'em" crowd, no lawyer would even talk with him. We need a break from law making liars, lobbyists and clowns. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 7:34:29 AM EDT
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A vendor from work accidentally shot himself in the gut with a .22 shotshell.
His life-flight only bill was just under 8 grand. Most insurance does not cover the full amount. If he paid cash or card they dropped it to 5 grand and he used a credit card. Its a money maker..... |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 8:06:20 AM EDT
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Buddy got hit 3 times by a Pygmy Rattler. Both hands.
I think it was 5 days ICU, many shots. Around $300,000. The incident was covered by a local TV station. Back well before the Hurricane, it's probably off their website by now. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 8:20:59 AM EDT
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Wow! I guess I got a bargain when one bit my pup a couple of weeks ago. $125. He's doing fine now. Looks like he'll have a scar though.
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Posted: 7/12/2019 8:45:53 AM EDT
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Buddy got hit 3 times by a Pygmy Rattler. Both hands. I think it was 5 days ICU, many shots. Around $300,000. The incident was covered by a local TV station. Back well before the Hurricane, it's probably off their website by now. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 8:47:22 AM EDT
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I wonder what an illegal bit by a copperhead would be charged. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:05:03 AM EDT
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Medical billing in the US is so fucked up it makes me understand why people want single-payer. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:23:23 AM EDT
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Wow! I guess I got a bargain when one bit my pup a couple of weeks ago. $125. He's doing fine now. Looks like he'll have a scar though. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/177202/5436E201-90AB-4A4C-947B-DB4EFCD2BED6_jpeg-1012956.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/177202/7548F217-2BF2-43D3-996B-14474379726F_jpeg-1012957.JPG 
Poor little guy. That had to suck. 
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:25:26 AM EDT
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What should it cost? Do y'all walk up to Ferarri dealerships and talk about Honda civic prices? Mexican healthcare is utter garbage... |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:28:33 AM EDT
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Admitted lurker and seldom post due to the animosity of the last few years. but......... YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE of the subject you speak. As for just ONE example of thousands...... I was bitten on the middle knuckle by a copper head. The bite put me in the hospital for 7 days of the most miserable moments of my life. Thankfully they saved my hand and forearm arm up as it was swollen to the point of having to split the tissue. I was a healthy young buck in top shape at the time. I doubt I would survive it today. I also grew up peaking in the open windows of country churches who practiced the handling of snakes. Witnessed a ‘preacher’ who claimed to have been bitten many times when he was bitten by a full size copper head. He refused going to the hospital and died at home a few days later. Time to crawl away to my world of privacy and stop being triggered by the ignorance and generalizations of many of my fellow gun nuts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who even goes to the hospital for a Copperhead bite? Unless he was just little bitty or frail it’s not even worth going. Suck up the pain for the night and be done with it. but......... YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE of the subject you speak. As for just ONE example of thousands...... I was bitten on the middle knuckle by a copper head. The bite put me in the hospital for 7 days of the most miserable moments of my life. Thankfully they saved my hand and forearm arm up as it was swollen to the point of having to split the tissue. I was a healthy young buck in top shape at the time. I doubt I would survive it today. I also grew up peaking in the open windows of country churches who practiced the handling of snakes. Witnessed a ‘preacher’ who claimed to have been bitten many times when he was bitten by a full size copper head. He refused going to the hospital and died at home a few days later. Time to crawl away to my world of privacy and stop being triggered by the ignorance and generalizations of many of my fellow gun nuts. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:33:17 AM EDT
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Insurance paid 1/8 of the $153,000. The hospital wrote off the rest as a loss (uncollected debt) for tax purposes.
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:35:27 AM EDT
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Medical billing in the US is so fucked up it makes me understand why people want single-payer. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:37:36 AM EDT
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The Insurance probably said "Here's $3,500 . Take it, love it and shut the fuck up about it" The whole thing is fucked. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:41:05 AM EDT
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What should it cost? Do y'all walk up to Ferarri dealerships and talk about Honda civic prices? Mexican healthcare is utter garbage... That's not what's happening here. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:43:31 AM EDT
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Medical billing in the US is so fucked up it makes me understand why people want single-payer. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:44:18 AM EDT
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my urgent care providers refuse to write prescriptions for anything but seriously life threatening shit. Pain meds, opioids...etc hell to the no. One of the few things I like about those clowns. Not even like 3 days to get you to a regular appointment with a regular provider. Nada. My god the stories I've heard from people trying to get pain meds lmao. And I'm only part time in this job. My coworkers who do this full time have some real doozies. But for HIPAA reasons (and cuz Im typin this at a work computer) I wont say more lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Kind of makes you wonder why you wouldn't just rely on the ER for all your healthcare needs and "forget your ID at home". Who is John Galt? My god the stories I've heard from people trying to get pain meds lmao. And I'm only part time in this job. My coworkers who do this full time have some real doozies. But for HIPAA reasons (and cuz Im typin this at a work computer) I wont say more lol Fuck giving the people who are in real pain medicine that can help them....as long as we stick it to the dopers that's all that matters. The WoD should be the main function of a hospital...all that healthcare shit should come in a distant second. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 10:48:29 AM EDT
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Well I had to take my wife to the ER for about three hours, she got IV fluids and painkillers, and a CT scan. It was $14,000. We are on a payment plan, it was before my insurance had kicked in. It's easy to see how people vote for whatever political party says they are going to fix healthcare, because it definitely needs fixing. Medications get 'wasted' because the vial contains 4 doses but only one was ordered at the time. Government mandate. See the trend? |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 11:05:25 AM EDT
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Well I had to take my wife to the ER for about three hours, she got IV fluids and painkillers, and a CT scan. It was $14,000. We are on a payment plan, it was before my insurance had kicked in. It's easy to see how people vote for whatever political party says they are going to fix healthcare, because it definitely needs fixing. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 1:31:29 PM EDT
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Bitches dig scars!
Poor little guy. That had to suck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow! I guess I got a bargain when one bit my pup a couple of weeks ago. $125. He's doing fine now. Looks like he'll have a scar though. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/177202/5436E201-90AB-4A4C-947B-DB4EFCD2BED6_jpeg-1012956.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/177202/7548F217-2BF2-43D3-996B-14474379726F_jpeg-1012957.JPG
Poor little guy. That had to suck. 
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Posted: 7/12/2019 1:35:27 PM EDT
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I'm still amazed that otherwise intelligent people still fall for 'how much was billed'. Nobody pays billed charges, especially in an emergency, except for the rare middle/upper middle class person without insurance that is worried about their credit score. I now pay $15,000 a year out of pocket premiums for a $1200 ER co-pay on a silver plan. Thanks socialists. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 1:36:25 PM EDT
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His insurance company probably paid less than 20 grand. Here's mine for ten days in cardiac care. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/212055/Hosp_bill_jpg-1012559.JPG |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 1:51:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We will end up with single-payer, and these fucktarded billing practices are a big reason why. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 2:02:35 PM EDT
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Twice that as they know the taxpayer is paying the bill.
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Posted: 7/13/2019 1:50:44 AM EDT
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Most people who have insurance via their employer never actually know how bad Obama Care destroys a life’s savings.
Example: My wife has recurring bladder cancer that requires multiple surgeries per year. Her monthly premium is $890. (12 * 890 is $10,680). Her out of pocket is $7500. So our minimum medical cost annually for her is $18,180 and gets higher each year. After 30 years of being full time Mom and all around farm hand she now works minimum wage and is limited to 32 hours per week so they don’t have to offer her benefits. I have stage 2 Parkinson’s and employers decided I was a safety risk. Terminated after 33 career. I understand, I’m a risk in a company car and my fine motor skills are gone. People also get nervous around me and a lunch with a customer is embarrassing. No problem, Life happens and we deal...... So what do you do? Drain your 401 until it’s gone. Luckily kids are gone and I have VA Medical. Hopefully the new mandate to publish estimated cost prior to services will wake people up. Yeah, you have employer insurance ‘today’, but life can change in an instant. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 8:35:34 AM EDT
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Most people who have insurance via their employer never actually know how bad Obama Care destroys a life’s savings. Example: My wife has recurring bladder cancer that requires multiple surgeries per year. Her monthly premium is $890. (12 * 890 is $10,680). Her out of pocket is $7500. So our minimum medical cost annually for her is $18,180 and gets higher each year. After 30 years of being full time Mom and all around farm hand she now works minimum wage and is limited to 32 hours per week so they don’t have to offer her benefits. I have stage 2 Parkinson’s and employers decided I was a safety risk. Terminated after 33 career. I understand, I’m a risk in a company car and my fine motor skills are gone. People also get nervous around me and a lunch with a customer is embarrassing. No problem, Life happens and we deal...... So what do you do? Drain your 401 until it’s gone. Luckily kids are gone and I have VA Medical. Hopefully the new mandate to publish estimated cost prior to services will wake people up. Yeah, you have employer insurance ‘today’, but life can change in an instant. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 8:39:13 AM EDT
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A North Carolina man was billed $153,000 by the hospital that treated him for a copperhead bite. Luckily the man had insurance which covered much of the bill. Details at link... Expensive bill thanks to snek Its the way she works boys |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 8:42:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2019 10:51:55 AM EDT
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I love that song. I have the album around here somewhere |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 1:40:32 PM EDT
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Gods country.
You guys should erect a wall around the Blue Ridge. A Yuge wall. I live in the Boonies but your mountains are hands down the most beautiful east of the Missip. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 1:42:13 PM EDT
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NO STEP ON SNEK!
If bad snek, beat with club. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 1:45:53 PM EDT
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My buddy was tagged by a copperhead 10 years ago. His bill was around 40k. I don't know if that was before or after ins.
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Posted: 7/13/2019 2:30:36 PM EDT
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@Johnsonboy11
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What was he doing to get tagged 3 times in both hands? He knew as soon as it hit him the first time, fangs were involved, and he had messed up. But it's a little late then to change plans. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 2:34:49 PM EDT
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I'm still amazed that otherwise intelligent people still fall for 'how much was billed'. Nobody pays billed charges, especially in an emergency, except for the rare middle/upper middle class person without insurance that is worried about their credit score. I guess I could just say I was billed $100k, omg! to try and garner sympathy and go fund me cash though. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 5:21:30 PM EDT
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We are just about down to the point we are considering selling bath water
www.ar15.com/forums/General/E-Thot-Sells-Her-Own-Bathwater FCK that FKN lop eared halfbreed Obama piece of human stain with his Obamacare. It’s was simply a ploy to increase the size of government control. They knew Obamacare would fail. It was a bait and switch scheme. They knew as prices increased it would force us to single payer. When people can’t afford healthcare expenses they will be begging for a single payer system. Boom, the size of their government just increased exponentially by the size of all existing healthcare (? billions). Now every dollar exchanged would then be funneled and controlled by the government. And imagine how many swamp rats it would require to administer that. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 5:33:22 PM EDT
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@Johnsonboy11 He went outside, two Yorkies raising hell. Thought it was not dangerous, no rattle if I remember correctly. Dog barking at both ends. Grabbed one, threw it behind him, grabbed the other, threw it behind him. First dog, came back around his leg, reached down, grabbed snek! Hit his right hand, he grabbed with his left, got hit there, then the snake hit his right hand again. He knew as soon as it hit him the first time, fangs were involved, and he had messed up. But it's a little late then to change plans. @jmorg51 |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 5:53:22 PM EDT
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From the article It's really complex. Requires a refrigerator, syringe, bandages, etc. $9,669 sounds like a good price for all that. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 6:07:12 PM EDT
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Yup sticker shock and treatment that is worth nowhere near what they charge. I don’t even know why they bill 200,000 when the insurance company will never pay but a fraction of it. Isn’t that fraction insurance pays the market price ? Is it all just accounting book cooking to write off the difference? The shit makes my head spin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: We will end up with single-payer, and these fucktarded billing practices are a big reason why. |
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Posted: 7/13/2019 7:47:56 PM EDT
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Medical billing in the US is so fucked up it makes me understand why people want single-payer. |
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