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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:00:59 PM EDT
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Not wrong. The .45ACP is a great cartridge, fun as shit at the range, super cool suppressed. But in a carry gun you're either adding size/weight or giving up capacity (or both) in exchange for nothing useful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. lol.. wrong Not wrong. The .45ACP is a great cartridge, fun as shit at the range, super cool suppressed. But in a carry gun you're either adding size/weight or giving up capacity (or both) in exchange for nothing useful. Wrong on so many levels. This is another 45 vs 9 argument though and your preference is your preference. That being said, 100/100, I'd rather have my 45 XDS over my 9mm XDS...Just don't miss. 
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:02:10 PM EDT
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G30 or G29 all the way.
Guess the guy who hates 45ACP is really tiny. 
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:07:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We may not agree on much when it comes to 9 vs 45. But we all know that 40 is for faggots. Maybe not. It's newer than the 9mm and .45 so it's not a "legacy" cartridge. That must make it more better right?  |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:08:16 PM EDT
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Just reality. .45ACP is a legacy cartridge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. WAT? Was that an attempt at humor or mass quantities of tard? 
Just reality. .45ACP is a legacy cartridge. So is a 500 fucking pound bomb.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:09:33 PM EDT
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Shot placement > caliber
Caliber doesnt mean anything if you cant hit what you are aiming for. If you are the typical arfcommer tier 1 delta force seal pj BAMF and can shoot the wings off a fly at 1000 yards does caliber matter? |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:11:51 PM EDT
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I have a Shield in 9mm and .40. I will be adding one in .45.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:16:43 PM EDT
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So is a 500 fucking pound bomb. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. WAT? Was that an attempt at humor or mass quantities of tard?
Just reality. .45ACP is a legacy cartridge. So is a 500 fucking pound bomb. How many 500lbs bombs do you carry with you? |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:17:42 PM EDT
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How many 500lbs bombs do you carry with you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. WAT? Was that an attempt at humor or mass quantities of tard?
Just reality. .45ACP is a legacy cartridge. So is a 500 fucking pound bomb. How many 500lbs bombs do you carry with you? Only need one... |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:17:55 PM EDT
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So is a 500 fucking pound bomb. Also too big and inefficient for many of the jobs it's doing these days... great for some stuff though. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:18:03 PM EDT
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. WAT? Was that an attempt at humor or mass quantities of tard?
Just reality. .45ACP is a legacy cartridge. So is a 500 fucking pound bomb. How many 500lbs bombs do you carry with you? 12 per trailer. Why do you ask? |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:25:15 PM EDT
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12 per trailer. Why do you ask? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many 500lbs bombs do you carry with you? 12 per trailer. Why do you ask? And if they're just gonna get dropped on 3-4 dumb goat fuckers with a PKM in a Hilux anyway how many 50 or 100 lb bombs could you haul an said trailer (and presumably an aircraft)?
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:30:02 PM EDT
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Meh. Wanna get me excited, make one in .45-70...
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:33:12 PM EDT
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Shot placement > caliber Caliber doesnt mean anything if you cant hit what you are aiming for. If you are the typical arfcommer tier 1 delta force seal pj BAMF and can shoot the wings off a fly at 1000 yards does caliber matter? This guy gets it. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:33:39 PM EDT
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So, the 5.56 is a Legacy cartridge also? 'Cause it's like all old and stuff and if it was really any good the .223 WSSM would be a hot seller but it failed just like the .45 GAP and the 9mm Magnum. So by the logic in previous posts the 5.56 and 9mm still remains quite popular almost entirely because of their legacy. If introduced today they would see little to no traction.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:34:06 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:34:33 PM EDT
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So much caliber..
Nobody needs THAT much caliber. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:38:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just reality. .45ACP is a legacy cartridge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: .45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. WAT? Was that an attempt at humor or mass quantities of tard? Just reality. .45ACP is a legacy cartridge. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:40:00 PM EDT
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Old man cartridge. Much lawns need getting off of.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:40:23 PM EDT
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This guy gets it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shot placement > caliber Caliber doesnt mean anything if you cant hit what you are aiming for. If you are the typical arfcommer tier 1 delta force seal pj BAMF and can shoot the wings off a fly at 1000 yards does caliber matter? This guy gets it. He "gets" that you should hit your target? Gee.
9mm gives you more opportunitites to hit in the same platform, with less recoil, cheaper training costs, and ammunition that makes the 9mm and .45acp on par with each other for self-defense purposes. Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive. Quoted:
So, the 5.56 is a Legacy cartridge also? 'Cause it's like all old and stuff and if it was really any good the .223 WSSM would be a hot seller but it failed just like the .45 GAP and the 9mm Magnum. So by the logic in previous posts the 5.56 and 9mm still remains quite popular almost entirely because of their legacy. If introduced today they would see little to no traction.
They remain popular because they strike a balance between weight, capacity, performance, and recoil. That drives availability, which makes them more ubiquitous. "Legacy" doesn't necessarily mean old in this context, it means obsoleted. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:41:30 PM EDT
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So, the 5.56 is a Legacy cartridge also? 'Cause it's like all old and stuff and if it was really any good the .223 WSSM would be a hot seller but it failed just like the .45 GAP and the 9mm Magnum. So by the logic in previous posts the 5.56 and 9mm still remains quite popular almost entirely because of their legacy. If introduced today they would see little to no traction.
Terrible analogy.... the WSSM would involve a huge decrease in capacity in an AR-pattern gun for no useful gain. And to a degree the 5.56 is a bit of a legacy round too... if starting form a clean sheet one of the 6.5/6.8 rounds would probably do better. As for something that could supplant the 9X19 in such a scenario... not so much. Maybe a blown-out "PDW round" shooting around .30 100gr JHP at 1500+FPS, but I'm not sure projectile tech has advanced enough to make that useful. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:44:43 PM EDT
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He "gets" that you should hit your target? Gee.
9mm gives you more opportunitites to hit in the same platform, with less recoil, cheaper training costs, and ammunition that makes the 9mm and .45acp on par with each other for self-defense purposes. Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive. They remain popular because they strike a balance between weight, capacity, performance, and recoil. That drives availability, which makes them more ubiquitous. "Legacy" doesn't mean old, it means obsoleted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shot placement > caliber Caliber doesnt mean anything if you cant hit what you are aiming for. If you are the typical arfcommer tier 1 delta force seal pj BAMF and can shoot the wings off a fly at 1000 yards does caliber matter? This guy gets it. He "gets" that you should hit your target? Gee.
9mm gives you more opportunitites to hit in the same platform, with less recoil, cheaper training costs, and ammunition that makes the 9mm and .45acp on par with each other for self-defense purposes. Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive. Quoted:
So, the 5.56 is a Legacy cartridge also? 'Cause it's like all old and stuff and if it was really any good the .223 WSSM would be a hot seller but it failed just like the .45 GAP and the 9mm Magnum. So by the logic in previous posts the 5.56 and 9mm still remains quite popular almost entirely because of their legacy. If introduced today they would see little to no traction.
They remain popular because they strike a balance between weight, capacity, performance, and recoil. That drives availability, which makes them more ubiquitous. "Legacy" doesn't mean old, it means obsoleted. That's all part of achieving shot placement. More rounds=more chances to hit the right place, more practice=more skill at hitting the right place, less recoil=easier to hit the right place. All serve shot placement. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:46:16 PM EDT
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This thread is living up to all my expectations of derpieness.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:46:19 PM EDT
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Just reality. .45ACP is a legacy cartridge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. WAT? Was that an attempt at humor or mass quantities of tard?
Just reality. .45ACP is a legacy cartridge. 6+1 of Federal 230gr +P HST disagrees with you |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:47:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He "gets" that you should hit your target? Gee. 9mm gives you more opportunitites to hit in the same platform, with less recoil, cheaper training costs, and ammunition that makes the 9mm and .45acp on par with each other for self-defense purposes. Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive. They remain popular because they strike a balance between weight, capacity, performance, and recoil. That drives availability, which makes them more ubiquitous. "Legacy" doesn't mean old, it means obsoleted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shot placement > caliber Caliber doesnt mean anything if you cant hit what you are aiming for. If you are the typical arfcommer tier 1 delta force seal pj BAMF and can shoot the wings off a fly at 1000 yards does caliber matter? This guy gets it. He "gets" that you should hit your target? Gee. 9mm gives you more opportunitites to hit in the same platform, with less recoil, cheaper training costs, and ammunition that makes the 9mm and .45acp on par with each other for self-defense purposes. Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive. Quoted: So, the 5.56 is a Legacy cartridge also? 'Cause it's like all old and stuff and if it was really any good the .223 WSSM would be a hot seller but it failed just like the .45 GAP and the 9mm Magnum. So by the logic in previous posts the 5.56 and 9mm still remains quite popular almost entirely because of their legacy. If introduced today they would see little to no traction. They remain popular because they strike a balance between weight, capacity, performance, and recoil. That drives availability, which makes them more ubiquitous. "Legacy" doesn't mean old, it means obsoleted. people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive." Service calibers are FMJ so how is that relevant? |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:55:08 PM EDT
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"Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive." Service calibers are FMJ so how is that relevant? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Service calibers are FMJ so how is that relevant? You're splitting hairs, and know what is implied (9, 40, 45). |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:56:56 PM EDT
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"Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive." Service calibers are FMJ so how is that relevant? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shot placement > caliber Caliber doesnt mean anything if you cant hit what you are aiming for. If you are the typical arfcommer tier 1 delta force seal pj BAMF and can shoot the wings off a fly at 1000 yards does caliber matter? This guy gets it. He "gets" that you should hit your target? Gee.
9mm gives you more opportunitites to hit in the same platform, with less recoil, cheaper training costs, and ammunition that makes the 9mm and .45acp on par with each other for self-defense purposes. Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive. Quoted:
So, the 5.56 is a Legacy cartridge also? 'Cause it's like all old and stuff and if it was really any good the .223 WSSM would be a hot seller but it failed just like the .45 GAP and the 9mm Magnum. So by the logic in previous posts the 5.56 and 9mm still remains quite popular almost entirely because of their legacy. If introduced today they would see little to no traction.
They remain popular because they strike a balance between weight, capacity, performance, and recoil. That drives availability, which makes them more ubiquitous. "Legacy" doesn't mean old, it means obsoleted. Service calibers are FMJ so how is that relevant? Service loads are FMJ. Service callibers are things like 9mm luger and .45acp. Have you ever referred to a 9mm HP and 9mm FMJ as being different callibers? |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:57:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, he is wrong. I would modify his statement for truth: ".45ACP in any gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: .45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. lol.. wrong Yes, he is wrong. I would modify his statement for truth: ".45ACP in any gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat." WAR! |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:57:31 PM EDT
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. Six rounds of nine or six rounds of .45, which one are u taking? |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:58:20 PM EDT
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. lol.. wrong Yes, he is wrong. I would modify his statement for truth: ".45ACP in any gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat." WAR! HUGHHH!!!! Good God, man. WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?
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Posted: 8/10/2016 12:58:48 PM EDT
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Six rounds of nine or six rounds of .45, which one are u taking? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. Six rounds of nine or six rounds of .45, which one are u taking? Seven or eight (or more) rounds of 9X19. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:00:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Carried the best millimeter for a few years (see screen name). 135gr JHP at 1600fps FTW! Places like that are too gross for me to even think about long enough to do those sorts of calculations.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For the record, I own 9mm, 10mm, and .45acp pistols. I love them all. Good luck on being right in the future. Carried the best millimeter for a few years (see screen name). 135gr JHP at 1600fps FTW! Quoted: In stupid places with 10 round magazine limit, I would much rather have a 10 round Glock 30 than a neutered 10 round Glock 19. Places like that are too gross for me to even think about long enough to do those sorts of calculations. The micro gun in the original post holds at most 10 rd and most likely 6 rd |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:01:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Service loads are FMJ. Service callibers are things like 9mm luger and .45acp. Have you ever referred to a 9mm HP and 9mm FMJ as being different callibers? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: his guy gets it. He "gets" that you should hit your target? Gee. 9mm gives you more opportunitites to hit in the same platform, with less recoil, cheaper training costs, and ammunition that makes the 9mm and .45acp on par with each other for self-defense purposes. Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive. Quoted: So, the 5.56 is a Legacy cartridge also? 'Cause it's like all old and stuff and if it was really any good the .223 WSSM would be a hot seller but it failed just like the .45 GAP and the 9mm Magnum. So by the logic in previous posts the 5.56 and 9mm still remains quite popular almost entirely because of their legacy. If introduced today they would see little to no traction. They remain popular because they strike a balance between weight, capacity, performance, and recoil. That drives availability, which makes them more ubiquitous. "Legacy" doesn't mean old, it means obsoleted. Service calibers are FMJ so how is that relevant? Service loads are FMJ. Service callibers are things like 9mm luger and .45acp. Have you ever referred to a 9mm HP and 9mm FMJ as being different callibers? Meant to say service loads are issued in FMJ. Pardon the fuck outta' me. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:02:37 PM EDT
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He "gets" that you should hit your target? Gee.
9mm gives you more opportunitites to hit in the same platform, with less recoil, cheaper training costs, and ammunition that makes the 9mm and .45acp on par with each other for self-defense purposes. Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive. They remain popular because they strike a balance between weight, capacity, performance, and recoil. That drives availability, which makes them more ubiquitous. "Legacy" doesn't necessarily mean old in this context, it means obsoleted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shot placement > caliber Caliber doesnt mean anything if you cant hit what you are aiming for. If you are the typical arfcommer tier 1 delta force seal pj BAMF and can shoot the wings off a fly at 1000 yards does caliber matter? This guy gets it. He "gets" that you should hit your target? Gee.
9mm gives you more opportunitites to hit in the same platform, with less recoil, cheaper training costs, and ammunition that makes the 9mm and .45acp on par with each other for self-defense purposes. Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive. Quoted:
So, the 5.56 is a Legacy cartridge also? 'Cause it's like all old and stuff and if it was really any good the .223 WSSM would be a hot seller but it failed just like the .45 GAP and the 9mm Magnum. So by the logic in previous posts the 5.56 and 9mm still remains quite popular almost entirely because of their legacy. If introduced today they would see little to no traction.
They remain popular because they strike a balance between weight, capacity, performance, and recoil. That drives availability, which makes them more ubiquitous. "Legacy" doesn't necessarily mean old in this context, it means obsoleted. While you are correct in that more rounds do mathmatically give you more chances to hit your target, It all comes down to whatever gun the shooter feels the most comfortable with and practices the most with. You are getting far to wrapped up in the technicalities with this. You are correct, 9mm does give you more chances to hit things. It is fairly similar in ballistics to 45 at this point. And guess what? None of that shit matters. You can argue the effectiveness of the round all you want, but if rounds do not get on target, it doesnt matter what caliber it is. What if I am more comfortable shooting my 1911 ? Does that mean I should carry glock because it has more rounds, even though I am not extremely familiar with it. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:04:02 PM EDT
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. WAT? Was that an attempt at humor or mass quantities of tard?
Just reality. .45ACP is a legacy cartridge. 6+1 of Federal 230gr +P HST disagrees with you 
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:05:32 PM EDT
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What if I am more comfortable shooting my 1911 ? Does that mean I should carry glock because it has more rounds, even though I am not extremely familiar with it. No, it means you should get a 9mm 1911 with 10 round mags.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:09:01 PM EDT
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I've been ccwing a xdm 4.5 in 45 acp for the last month. Its very reassuring. 13+1 and it has confidence inspiring accuracy. I've carried 9mm and makarov my whole life so I'm no macho 45 uber alles type. I just wanted to up gun with what i had given the terrorist and blm attacks recently. Bigfoot gun belts and aliengear cloaktuck 3.0 for tge win.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:10:09 PM EDT
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While you are correct in that more rounds do mathmatically give you more chances to hit your target, It all comes down to whatever gun the shooter feels the most comfortable with and practices the most with. You are getting far to wrapped up in the technicalities with this. You are correct, 9mm does give you more chances to hit things. It is fairly similar in ballistics to 45 at this point. And guess what? None of that shit matters. You can argue the effectiveness of the round all you want, but if rounds do not get on target, it doesnt matter what caliber it is. What if I am more comfortable shooting my 1911 ? Does that mean I should carry glock because it has more rounds, even though I am not extremely familiar with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shot placement > caliber Caliber doesnt mean anything if you cant hit what you are aiming for. If you are the typical arfcommer tier 1 delta force seal pj BAMF and can shoot the wings off a fly at 1000 yards does caliber matter? This guy gets it. He "gets" that you should hit your target? Gee.
9mm gives you more opportunitites to hit in the same platform, with less recoil, cheaper training costs, and ammunition that makes the 9mm and .45acp on par with each other for self-defense purposes. Service calibers are pretty well known for being shitty at killing people, whether 9mm or 45 makes no difference. More opportunities to hit means a higher likelihood of coming out of said conflict alive. Quoted:
So, the 5.56 is a Legacy cartridge also? 'Cause it's like all old and stuff and if it was really any good the .223 WSSM would be a hot seller but it failed just like the .45 GAP and the 9mm Magnum. So by the logic in previous posts the 5.56 and 9mm still remains quite popular almost entirely because of their legacy. If introduced today they would see little to no traction.
They remain popular because they strike a balance between weight, capacity, performance, and recoil. That drives availability, which makes them more ubiquitous. "Legacy" doesn't necessarily mean old in this context, it means obsoleted. While you are correct in that more rounds do mathmatically give you more chances to hit your target, It all comes down to whatever gun the shooter feels the most comfortable with and practices the most with. You are getting far to wrapped up in the technicalities with this. You are correct, 9mm does give you more chances to hit things. It is fairly similar in ballistics to 45 at this point. And guess what? None of that shit matters. You can argue the effectiveness of the round all you want, but if rounds do not get on target, it doesnt matter what caliber it is. What if I am more comfortable shooting my 1911 ? Does that mean I should carry glock because it has more rounds, even though I am not extremely familiar with it. But you can choose t get comfortable with just about whatever you want. So why wouldn't I choose to get comfortable with whatever would eventually give me the best chances? |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:12:19 PM EDT
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While you are correct in that more rounds do mathmatically give you more chances to hit your target, It all comes down to whatever gun the shooter feels the most comfortable with and practices the most with. You are getting far to wrapped up in the technicalities with this. You are correct, 9mm does give you more chances to hit things. It is fairly similar in ballistics to 45 at this point. And guess what? None of that shit matters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
While you are correct in that more rounds do mathmatically give you more chances to hit your target, It all comes down to whatever gun the shooter feels the most comfortable with and practices the most with. You are getting far to wrapped up in the technicalities with this. You are correct, 9mm does give you more chances to hit things. It is fairly similar in ballistics to 45 at this point. And guess what? None of that shit matters. I'm not getting wrapped up in technicalities at all; I am suggesting that 9mm has similar terminal performance (which is poor, shared among 9/40/45), and has lots of benefits over 45. It's the pragmatic choice, not the dogmatic one. Topics of training cost, recoil, effectiveness, capacity, and pistol size absolutely matter. A gun's effectiveness, shooter aside, is the sum of it's traits. Quoted:
You can argue the effectiveness of the round all you want, but if rounds do not get on target, it doesnt matter what caliber it is. What if I am more comfortable shooting my 1911 ? Does that mean I should carry glock because it has more rounds, even though I am not extremely familiar with it. One could argue a 9mm 1911 gives you the preference of your platform, with the added capacity, lower recoil, cheaper training cost, etc. of 9mm
Semantics aside, "comfort" is a cop-out; you don't sit at a bench and slow-fire from your holster when you have to use your CCW defensively, and nobody would advocate using a comfortable .22LR or .25ACP as a primary CCW unless there was literally no other option. Anyone whose decent at shooting pistols can pick up any properly functioning firearm and make COM hits. Being a "1911 guy" or a "Glock guy" doesn't preclude you using other platforms with similar effectiveness, and it's constant appeal is a crutch. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:13:33 PM EDT
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Just another thread arguing over 45 ACP vs other rounds. And for all the times it has been argued over, it has yet to be resolved. Better minds than ours (Jeff Cooper, FBI, Hatcher) have discussed it, and yet it still persists.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:13:38 PM EDT
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There are times that no matter how much you practice, one platform seems to excel in your hands versus another.
Are you an IPSIC or IDPA shooter? Are you shooting a bunch of rounds in a competitive environment? Maybe your carry gun is as close to your race gun as you can get because thats what you shoot all the time? Lots of reasons why there are many different ways to skin a cat, and your argument is stupid I am saying all of this as a 9mm guy too 
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:14:40 PM EDT
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:15:45 PM EDT
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. Six rounds of nine or six rounds of .45, which one are u taking? Seven or eight (or more) rounds of 9X19. Glock 43 is 6+1 and the shield is 6+1. If these were my options for carry, I'd take the .45 shield. 9mms big advantage is its increased capacity. I can tell from when I hit bowling pins at the range at 25 yards that the .45 is a harder hitting round than 9mm. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:19:56 PM EDT
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.45ACP in a subcompact carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. lol.. wrong There. Now it's right. Not really. .45ACP won't fit in a gun that could realistically be called "subcompact". Springfield XDs45 3.3"...BOOM |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:25:16 PM EDT
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Glock 43 is 6+1 and the shield is 6+1. If these were my options for carry, I'd take the .45 shield. That's just because GLOCK uses stupid thick plastic for mags. The 9mm Shield is 7/8+1. (As are most 9mm guns in this size) 9mms big advantage is its increased capacity. Yep. See above. Compared the the "big advantage" of the .45ACP... which is testosterone. I can tell from when I hit bowling pins at the range at 25 yards that the .45 is a harder hitting round than 9mm. I'll keep that in mind if I ever worry about being attacked by a bowling pin.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:27:33 PM EDT
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There are times that no matter how much you practice, one platform seems to excel in your hands versus another. Are you an IPSIC or IDPA shooter? Are you shooting a bunch of rounds in a competitive environment? Maybe your carry gun is as close to your race gun as you can get because thats what you shoot all the time? Lots of reasons why there are many different ways to skin a cat, and your argument is stupid I am saying all of this as a 9mm guy too At a point it becomes irrelevant when you're making COM hits at reasonable distances whether or not your group is as tight as possible. How many CCW'ers participate in IDPA? I would venture very, very few. Even in GD, where the number of people who shoot competitively is going to be very high among gun owners, I would bet less than half participate. Then of that small subset, how many have a dedicated race gun, and how many have a dedicated race gun they shoot more than their CCW piece, and how many dedicated race guns can be reasonably scaled into a CCW? You're welcome to call my argument stupid all you want, but bringing up incredibly narrow windows that rely entirely on chance and anecdote doesn't really reinforce your positions well at all. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:28:49 PM EDT
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What ^ guy said Its only nice for the guy who only shoots .45 and needs a subcompact and doesn't want to buy a different caliber round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.45ACP in a subcompact carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. lol.. wrong There. Now it's right. What ^ guy said Its only nice for the guy who only shoots .45 and needs a subcompact and doesn't want to buy a different caliber round. This |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:29:14 PM EDT
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.45ACP in a carry gun makes zero sense, but whatever floats your boat. You're right. 10mm makes 100% sense. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:29:30 PM EDT
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Glock 43 is 6+1 and the shield is 6+1. If these were my options for carry, I'd take the .45 shield. 9mms big advantage is its increased capacity. I can tell from when I hit bowling pins at the range at 25 yards that the .45 is a harder hitting round than 9mm. The G43 is smaller than the Shield. Not a valid comparison. Capacity is a huge advantage, since there's no lethality increase from 9mm to 45, having more rounds means more chances to make a stop. Bowling pins aren't humans, and "hitting harder" isn't significant when it comes to calibrated tests, like gelatin, where the "harder hitting" 45 has the same performance as a quality 9mm. |
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:33:11 PM EDT
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What ^ guy said Its only nice for the guy who only shoots .45 and needs a subcompact and doesn't want to buy a different caliber round. This Maybe... but I can't wrap my head around just shooting one handgun cartridge.
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Posted: 8/10/2016 1:34:18 PM EDT
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What ^ guy said Its only nice for the guy who only shoots .45 and needs a subcompact and doesn't want to buy a different caliber round. This Maybe... but I can't wrap my head around just shooting one handgun cartridge. You have no idea how much heartburn it gives me to have to buy .380 AND 9mm. I've not picked up a 10mm yet because the thought of stocking 3 calibers really rustles my OCD
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