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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:24:27 PM EDT
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Trump's biggest enemy is domestic. That's why he can't fix NK. He is in the unenviable position of having the strongest military in the world and the weakest willed civilian population. They will not tolerate any sort of military action that gets Americans killed. You cannot bombard NK into submission. You will need boots on the ground to fix North Korea. Once body bags start coming home you will have a repeat of the Vietnam protests. And talk of a draft will get a cup of pumpkin spice latte thrown on you by a millennial. This is the weakest generation of Americans ever being protected by the strongest military ever.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:31:53 PM EDT
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why would China want Kim deposed? I don't believe NK takes a collective shit without Chinese permission. NK is no threat to China... so why would China give a fuck enough to step in on our behalf ? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:43:06 PM EDT
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Because a post-Kim unified Korea is detrimental to their interests. It moves the American sphere to the Yalu. That's not a win for them.
So, if the Chinese think we are going to goin, they night as well go first and at least preserve DPRK. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:44:17 PM EDT
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This^^^ NK is no threat to China... so why would China give a fuck enough to step in on our behalf ? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:44:32 PM EDT
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Cover their tracks. Occupy some ground to create a new buffer zone. They have interests. Or just add the real estate? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:47:28 PM EDT
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What do you suppose NK will do, when they see that happening? They have SOF. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When they start to move US military dependents out of Korea, Japan, and the Western Pacific you will know they mean business They have SOF. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:49:05 PM EDT
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Yup. China and Russia would love to see us bogged down in another conflict. Don't think for one second either one of them are going to be tripping over themselves to form a coalition with the U.S. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This^^^ NK is no threat to China... so why would China give a fuck enough to step in on our behalf ? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:52:59 PM EDT
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So, add those sites to their arsenal or take them off the board? Or just add the real estate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cover their tracks. Occupy some ground to create a new buffer zone. They have interests. Or just add the real estate? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:53:32 PM EDT
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China does not have the balls to get involved militarily against the US. They will sit back and watch
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:55:47 PM EDT
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Nothing....They have played the extortion game for too long and the bluff will be called Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When they start to move US military dependents out of Korea, Japan, and the Western Pacific you will know they mean business They have SOF. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:56:29 PM EDT
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There is no way China will go to war with the US over North Korea again. There is no sunshine at the end of that tunnel. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:57:35 PM EDT
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Because a post-Kim unified Korea is detrimental to their interests. It moves the American sphere to the Yalu. That's not a win for them. So, if the Chinese think we are going to goin, they night as well go first and at least preserve DPRK. another poster mentioned something about the US reacting to intentions while Russia and China react to capability. I think this is probably true, and a landwar in China's backyard would be the perfect way to degrade not only our capabilities, but our standing in the world. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:00:02 PM EDT
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China or Russia may make take advantage and move while the US is wrapped up in the NK conflict. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:01:00 PM EDT
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So China will fund a war with the US by waging war with It's main source of income which is the US?
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:02:00 PM EDT
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I hope the US has all it's ducks in a row when they hit NK. China or Russia may make take advantage and move while the US is wrapped up in the NK conflict. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:02:03 PM EDT
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China and Russia don't want a war with us. They're worried about the refugees spilling across their boarders and having to deal with the humanitarian crisis while the world watches. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:02:39 PM EDT
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Pre-positioning all of those assets under the guise of an exercise is their way of saying that if we attempt to do something preemptive about NK...they will respond. Some of you folks really don't understand what's going on. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:04:48 PM EDT
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I hope the US has all it's ducks in a row when they hit NK. China or Russia may make take advantage and move while the US is wrapped up in the NK conflict. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:05:12 PM EDT
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The United States must make it clear that these provocative moves are condemned on no uncertain terms. Any Russian or Chinese Military items being moved into position near North Korea should be immediately and without apology destroyed, if those items are deemed to pose a threat to our brave men and women who may be soon performing operations in and near North Korea.
Any aggression in the region is ultimately an aggression against the United States. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:06:00 PM EDT
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LOL no. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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China or Russia may make take advantage and move while the US is wrapped up in the NK conflict. 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:07:48 PM EDT
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China is helping both Iran and North Korea. Their target is the US through their pawns, Iran and North Korea.
They have been waging economic warfare on the US since Bill Clinton was in office. They are pulling the strings on North Korea in this matter. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:07:50 PM EDT
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They're trying to send the message that they don't appreciate Lil Kim pissing in the community pool. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:08:37 PM EDT
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Cliché of the day...whatever happens..."it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better."
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:09:40 PM EDT
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They need ships, subs, 150,000 troops and the rest to stop starving refugees? If it takes all that to stop UNARMED people, we are going to lose this conflict. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem dozens of ships, fighter jets and submarines adjacent to the Korean Peninsula on Monday - just months after moving 150,000 troops to its border with North Korea. Russia, meanwhile, moved military equipment including helicopters and combat vehicles to its southern frontier with the hermit state earlier this yea If it takes all that to stop UNARMED people, we are going to lose this conflict. No Nation outside NK wants a nuke to be touched off. We will see. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:10:01 PM EDT
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I hope this doesn't interfere with our regularly scheduled war with Iran.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:11:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:11:26 PM EDT
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I hope this doesn't interfere with our regularly scheduled war with Iran. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:11:28 PM EDT
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China wont risk letting SK and the US take NK and have a shared border. They like the buffer that NK provides between us. If anything China will "take" NK and prop up some puppet leader controlled by Beijing that is far less insane and will allow China access to the trillions in mine-able resources under NK. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:12:46 PM EDT
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That's not such a bad outcome. If North Korea falls into Chinese control, then hopefully Mattis will do what we should have done in the last Korean war and kick China's fucking ass and dont stop until you have gone through Iran and then Moscow |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:14:39 PM EDT
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Kim Jong-un is like the mouthy fat little kid on your street whose brothers are Vitali Klitschko and Jackie Chan. You have the might to pound him into oblivion. Unfortunately, you will only get a Pyrrhic victory because in return you and your friends will get pounded into oblivion by his brothers. There is nothing you can do about that kid. And there is nothing the USA can do about North Korea. It is extremely naive to think that Russia and China are going to solve our problem for us. To them, Kim Jong-un is not a problem but a hero. They see him as their deterrent to American aggression and expansionism in the region. Trump has been checkmated. His only option is to risk starting WWIII and he won't do that. We might win WWIII but again, it will be a Pyrrhic victory. So the status quo will continue like it has since 1953. 
Duly Noted. Don't quit your day job to start a think tank on Geopolitics. Just Sayin. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:14:57 PM EDT
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Why isn't anybody here worried about Transgender North Korean rights?
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:17:18 PM EDT
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I feel very sorry for the NK population. Brainwashed from birth about their dear douche(s). Now they're going to fight for something and probably don't know why. And their world will burn. All because of some fat fucking idiot Various anti-regime propaganda, AKA: the truth, has been making its way into NK for years. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:18:03 PM EDT
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This should really be China's problem. China is who should be taking Kim out. There doesn't look to be a whole lot he could do to stop them. Is China still afraid that the PLA is as bad as it was in 1979, when they were defeated by Vietnam? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:19:06 PM EDT
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Why would China want to clean up our mess? They'd be forced into accepting responsibility for a lot of problems that aren't theirs. How do you get the lights back on? Build the roads, get the water running, rebuild the government, rebuild the economy, feed the people, prevent the outbreak of disease, etc. Why would they want that? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:21:07 PM EDT
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So in your hallucination China and Russia can pound the USA into "oblivion"?
Duly Noted. Don't quit your day job to start a think tank on Geopolitics. Just Sayin. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:23:19 PM EDT
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Amid heightened tensions in the region, Beijing staged 'large-scale' military exercises with dozens of ships, fighter jets and submarines adjacent to the Korean Peninsula on Monday - just months after moving 150,000 troops to its border with North Korea. Russia, meanwhile, moved military equipment including helicopters and combat vehicles to its southern frontier with the hermit state earlier this year. Moscow has displayed its own frightening military strength at a war games event in Siberia this week and during a vast Navy Day parade in Vladivostok - about 100 miles from North Korean territory. So here is the question that I have: Is this just a prudent move by China and Russia to ensure that any war on the Korean Peninsula doesn't spill over into their borders, or is everyone gearing up for WWIII? I think these moves were discussed with Trump ahead of time. They want the NK borders locked down, and no surprises. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:23:25 PM EDT
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The Norks are still Chinese puppets, why would China take out their puppet? Lil Kim didn't VX his brother, China's choice for a replacement, because he felt secure in his position. After Lil Kim is gone the Norks will still be Chinese puppets, just on a tighter leash. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:25:57 PM EDT
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When they start to move US military dependents out of Korea, Japan, and the Western Pacific you will know they mean business |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:26:36 PM EDT
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The Norks are still Chinese puppets, why would China take out their puppet? If China is not involved in this from the very start. They risk a unified Korea and the U.S. would be even closer to their border. Smart move would be to cut the U.S loose on Fatboy. Then have the Chinese take over North Korea. Just to keep the U.S. away from their mainland. I don't trust China for shit in any of this. But a Chinese run NK is whole lot more stable than a Fatboy run NK. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:26:42 PM EDT
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The North Koreans know a lot more than they let on. They would all jump for joy if "dear leader" and his band of dipshits went away forever. Various anti-regime propaganda, AKA: the truth, has been making its way into NK for years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel very sorry for the NK population. Brainwashed from birth about their dear douche(s). Now they're going to fight for something and probably don't know why. And their world will burn. All because of some fat fucking idiot Various anti-regime propaganda, AKA: the truth, has been making its way into NK for years. You have insight into the thoughts of the "North Koreans"?
Have you ever met one? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:27:25 PM EDT
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What is sad is that Trump wanted to build a relationship with the Russians so they could assist us with problems like North Korea. But the short sighted MSM, politicians, American people, etc. would have nothing to do with that by claiming Trump was a Russian lover. They effectively alienated the Russians and took away Russian leverage that Trump might of used to change the game. They killed the relationship before it even had a chance to grow. Now Russia is back to being an obstructionist and an adversary. We got what we asked for. Say hello to their little friend; Kim Jong-un. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:28:56 PM EDT
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They need ships, subs, 150,000 troops and the rest to stop starving refugees? If it takes all that to stop UNARMED people, we are going to lose this conflict. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:28:57 PM EDT
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I just hope that whoever kills that fat little bastard, makes it hurt for a while.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:29:25 PM EDT
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Yeah, China would NEVER dream of using the situation to move forward in the SCS! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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China or Russia may make take advantage and move while the US is wrapped up in the NK conflict. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:29:31 PM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem If they hurry they can keep out the If they do a good job Trump can steal their techniques for a bit of tit for tat for when we build our own wall? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:30:55 PM EDT
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You have insight into the thoughts of the "North Koreans"?
Have you ever met one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel very sorry for the NK population. Brainwashed from birth about their dear douche(s). Now they're going to fight for something and probably don't know why. And their world will burn. All because of some fat fucking idiot Various anti-regime propaganda, AKA: the truth, has been making its way into NK for years. You have insight into the thoughts of the "North Koreans"?
Have you ever met one? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:31:03 PM EDT
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That's what I'm saying. Cause if it weren't true we would of taken care of NK about 64 years ago. Human wave attacks aren't really a thing any more no matter how many disposable troops the Chinese bring to the game. Not to mention that we can destroy the Chinese economy in a few days. 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:31:04 PM EDT
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Won't those already be rubble? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:31:59 PM EDT
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I don't think china or russia care one bit if Kim Jing Idiot gets blown to kingdom come. However, they do not want SK or U.S. troops inside NK. If we bomb the hell out of NK they will make sure they fill that vacuum very quickly and stabilize the void that would be created. They would be heavily involved in setting up a transitional government.
china and russia won't be going to war with the U.S. over that patch of dirt. It simply isn't worth it to them because there is so little to be gained and so much to lose. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:33:51 PM EDT
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This assumes that china would stand by and let their puppet be overrun all the way to the Yalu. Russian and Chinese forces on the borders say otherwise. They would love to remove the US as a superpower, and this would be the perfect chance. They're not going to pre-emptively remove Kim, because they want him there goading the US into something we're unlikely to win with Russia and China on the other side. another poster mentioned something about the US reacting to intentions while Russia and China react to capability. I think this is probably true, and a landwar in China's backyard would be the perfect way to degrade not only our capabilities, but our standing in the world. |
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